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Have your say: Are councils keeping land prices unnaturally high with red tape and urban limits?
Anna Rushworth reported in the Herald on Sunday that 'scandalous' council charges were inflating prices of new houses around the country and helping to make housing unaffordable.
Figures released by one developer reveal almost 40 per cent of the $250,000 cost of building a pair of two-bedroom units in Auckland went on a staggering array of bureaucratic fees, consents and permits.
The anonymous developer, who builds in Auckland suburbs with housing shortages, said the fees were blocking new low-cost housing projects.
Of the $93,750 in fees he was charged, $46,000 went to the Auckland City Council as a financial contribution. The resource consent cost $23,000 and an ACC consent, $8500. Water connection was $8300 and an electricity connection fee $5500. Other fees were paid for a right of way consent charge and vehicle crossing permit.
"This is why affordable medium density housing is a myth in Auckland city," the developer said. "It really is a ... scandal."
I also wrote a column in the Herald on Sunday about the problem of council policies restricting land supply in Auckland. Here it is below.
Auckland's land price explosion in the past decade is a scandal and a disaster for New Zealand's economy and for a group of people who have effectively been locked out of the dream of home ownership in New Zealand's biggest city.
There is no one villain and no single policy that created this scandal, but it is a scandal.
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Auckland section prices tripled to around $302,000 between mid-2000 and mid-2007, Real Estate Institute figures show. This boom created the biggest shift in wealth in the history of New Zealand and is largely an untold story.
Most people believe there were genuinely good and unfixable reasons for this explosion, but this boom was entirely avoidable and can be reversed.
The first myth is there is only a limited supply of land in Auckland and the surge in immigration after September 2001 meant it was inevitable land prices would rise.
Auckland actually has plenty of land available within its urban limits and on its fringes. The problem is the enforcement of the Metropolitan Urban Limit (MUL). The inability of regional and city councils to free up land for housing has allowed an explosion in values.
The further the boom went on, the more entrenched the restrictions became. Now Auckland's local political system and the main players in power are locked into an unholy alliance between the left and the right.
The left is determined to preserve heritage and to avoid "sprawl". The right is allied with the interests of property developers, many of whom are sitting on profitable land banks, and residents in the leafy suburbs who depend on limited supply for their land wealth.
These forces of conservatism have essentially locked in that transfer of wealth between the landed and the landless.
That means the young and poor are locked out of owning their own home in the suburbs with a bit of a backyard for their kids.
Research by economist Arthur Grimes from Motu shows land just inside the MUL is often 10 times more expensive than the land just across the border.
Restrictions on the types of development and the drive to avoid "sprawl" has, in effect, artificially restricted supply. This became entrenched after a review of Auckland's urban development in 1999.
Once the property boom kicked in, a whole bunch of new incentives reinforced the trend to restrict supply. Developers with land banks started managing for capital gain rather than making cash gains from developing properties.
The advent of complicated, costly and lengthy processes for building consents worsened the problem.
Property owners then realised any attempts to free up supply around them would reduce the value of their own land, or at least stop it from growing, which was the main aim. This created the perverse incentive to stop development of land for residential use.
The end result is a system frozen by the forces of conservatism. This is a cozy alignment of those with land who govern Auckland for other landowners, particularly in areas where they live.
This has meant the few areas of land development within the MUL have been closest to areas of poverty and furthest from the city centre. Much of the development has not happened around transport corridors and hubs, making a mockery of the idea of "smart development".
Moves are afoot to push Auckland to open up its land, but they will have to be moves from central government. Until then, Auckland's landless poor and young will remain locked out of home ownership and the cost to the nation will remain high.
It may also help block the immigration necessary over the next 20 years to help us solve the demographic and fiscal problems of retiring baby boomers.
Your view? I welcome yoiur comments below. I have put some in already from correspondents via email.
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I read your articles and
I read your articles and assess them as best I can. Very few of us can claim to have an objective overview, it is always coloured by our experiences. I was a solo Mother in the 70s. Today I would be considered a fat cat capitalist. You know, old line, I've been rich and I've been poor and rich is better.
Leaky homes and the breakdown of the family unit have impacted hugely on property values, these are relatively recent impacting factors. The elderly (living so much longer) have been ripped off by investment advisors and shonky business dealings have destroyed the mettle of the investor. Is it any wonder that we cling to the leaky boat that is property?
Land opened up for development without parks and community services as was the huge Neil subdivision at Schnapper Rock, Albany is a legacy in futility. My Mother in law spends $90 in petrol every few days just getting to and from the supermarket but this is preferable to a leaky apartment in Ponsnobbery or a retirement studio in Sunnynook with massive outgoings every week and no capital gain at all. Are the Northern Slopes or Takapuna's Golden mile achievable for everyone? I don't know the answers but the fix is as much a study in sociology, gender studies and economics as it is with direct government intervention.
I am a property developer
I am a property developer in Auckland city, I agree with your comments regarding the injustice of inflated house prices in New Zealand.
However freeing up land outside the city limits will not drop land prices. Land values outside the MUL will skyrocket once the land has development potential.
If a section is worth 300k inside the city limits, developers will sell the same section for 300k just across the border.
To suggest these new subdivisions will all be selling sections for 100k or house and land packages for 350-400k is incorrect.
If they did people would simply snap them up and on sell them at a later date for 300k per section.
The only real solution is to limit immigration and stop population growth. This is the only way to stop house prices rising. (a capital gains tax would also help!)
Importing wealth only makes the 'natives' of this country poorer. Our houses are still very cheap when buying with pounds, USD or yen.
Our quality of life in NZ centers on our green space and landscapes. Selling them to foreigners will deteriorate our quality of life not enhance it.
Extolling the virtues of capitalism then complaining about its inevitable effects is pointless.
hi, your article is quite
hi, your article is quite correct of course,i,m involved in the building industry, and have first hand coal face experience in the $1.8 billion "leaky home, leaky apartment ,syndrome of Auckland city! been involved in large Remedial work ,what a b----y mess! and remembering a lot of the disaster was "passed & certified? ", we are headed for a huge ideological "clash" in this country of ours, the failure in the financial markets,from the hanover,s to the bridgecorps, and the failure, to regulate with power! as in the usa, the "toothless response of govt, the failure to deal with tax regime,no land tax, no capital gains tax! will see a growing "radical response" by disaffected groups, the land occupations of the far north while small and sparodic at present will "grow" thier issue is tangata whenua, and freehold "european title is not recognised anyway? no the real whirlwind is going to come from disaffected middle european nz, while the govt does attempt to appease with benefits etc, and working with families, and gst, alleviation for trades etc, the whole issue is many cannot and will not be able to rise above "the cost of living in nz" and this will bring about a huge growing frustration and then will come '' the whirlwind"
Hi Bernard, A good article
Hi Bernard,
A good article and accurate. There is a very good example of this in Birkenhead where ARC through the Regional Growth Plan had allowed a high rise close by the Highbury Countdown Complex as being close to a Transport node of buses. The local politicians on NS City Council like Holman, Gillon, etc are against the proposal at a local level yet NSCC had signed up to the Regional Growth strategy of ARC.
The NZ Economy has "No show" of recovery while ever these draconian restrictions you alluded to are in place as the "Building Industry" is a huge employer of people across the board. While ever silly local politicians perpetually argue then I say the only remedy is to EMIGRATE, EMIGRATE, Emigrate to Australia where house prices are on the way up and not the level of left wing politics in Local Government as we have had in New Zealand. Also Council fees are a disgrace and deterrent for costs to build. Regards Ray Clarke.
Hi Bernard I've just read
Hi Bernard
I've just read your 'Locked out of Land' article in the Herald. It's good that this is being identifed and (possibly) tackled, but I don't think it's the main cause of the problem. It's also good that you've noted the social cost of people being locked out of home ownership, I'm just baffled as to why people aren't up in arms about it, and why any government ever allowed this to happen. The social cost is colossal, and hardly anyone seems to even be aware of it. There's a slightly surreal feel to it all. As I'm sure you know, it's a similar story in the UK and Oz, and with some variations, it's worldwide.
I'm pretty sure that the problem revolves around property investors, but I can't tell if that was just part of it, or was the principal cause. I'm hoping you can tell me if the following is right or not. I don't know as I moved to NZ from the UK a few years ago and wasn't here when it all took off, but this seems to be how it happened in the UK. It seems to be that banks stopped pricing risk appropriately for property investment, and together with artificially low interest rates, house prices went out of control. What the banks did was that they started offfering property investment mortgages at rates based on owner-occupier mortages, and stopped pricing them as commercial loans. Typically there's still a risk premium, but it's not nearly as much as it should be. Mortgages for owner-occupiers are pretty safe, since if interest rates rise, people will go a long way to keep their own home - giving up the family holiday, taking an additional job, taking a lodger, etc. However this doesn't apply at all to investment properties, these should have been treated as commercial loans all along.
Can you tell me if this is right, and part of what happened in NZ?
Bernard, Sometimes I disagree with
Bernard,
Sometimes I disagree with you on what policy NZ requires to become more prosperous, but your expose on the MUL and the Auckland property market (I call it that because there is a taboo about calling out property investment back home) was right on the money. It is hypocritical for folks on both sides of the political spectrum to talk about improving home ownership rates without addressing the perverse incentives to keep land too tied up.
How do you rate the chances of Key et. al. listening to you? Or are there too many votes, both in the Nats base and voters they wooed in 2008, to risk any devaluation?
really we just need new
really we just need new cities - that's all, the infrastructure is old and tired in existing cities like Auckland, hence the need to pay your way if you want to sub-divide. I too have paid through the nose for the subdivision of our backyard some years ago, although on saying that, there was surplus cash at the end of the exercise that would not have been there if the sub-division never took place. the end result is higher valued land, if it is serviced, bit of no brainer really...
just as you cannot feed cattle gorse to make milk, you cannot build a home in the middle of a busy intersection....
Now we know why in
Now we know why in Australia, they can build (more quality) homes at cost of between $700 - $800 per square metre. Here in NZ, it's between $1200 and $1500 sq metre (This figure was given to us when we were looking at building by building inspector at Auckland City)
Slightly of tack but commenting
Slightly of tack but commenting on Peter's post @ 12.12pm. We've just moved to Auckland fron Christchurch, for educational purposes, and whilst we heard of the 'leaky home' problem and thought to some extent we had 'it' in Chch; My God! I never appreciated the extent of it until I have now seen it first hand. Commentators here often post about the cowboys from the investment companies making off with the loot, but the destruction of wealth in the propety section here in Auckland looks to be massive. And all these properties are owned by someone, who now has no, or little, equity left in them to invest elswhere let alone ( if they have the confidence left!) in the Real estate market. Yes, I can see that good properties here will comand a premiuim, but do I have the confidence to plow my savings into one? It will take quite a margin over the rent/buy ratio to make me think about giving up the insurance premium built into rent.
Owen McShane has been putting
Owen McShane has been putting these figures out for years. Local councils are completely out of control, and have been for a long time. We are in a country moribund by bureaucracy and red tape at both central and local government level (we've only got a population of 4.13 million for Christ's sake): this is what any government and every government needs to take the knife to, and not just tinkering around the margins (Bill), but wholesale slashing.
[Credit where credit is due: Bill English was 'starting', and we're talking baby steps, to make the right sounds on Q & A on Sunday morning. But I reserve judgment until I see the program he announces on 20 May.]
@Grant. Don't agree with your
@Grant. Don't agree with your comments. Surely, more land available will reduce land prices? Sorry my economics 101 is a bit fuzzy. ;-)
Also don't agree with your immigration as the cause. Our immigration numbers hasn't been that great (most would be immigrants would rather go to Oz), and our populate growth overall is not that great either. If we don't have working immigrants to replace people that are retiring from the workforce or leaving the country, our economy will be dire straight as our birthrate is not high enough to replace this population.
@Grant. "If a section is
@Grant. "If a section is worth 300k inside the city limits, developers will sell the same section for 300k just across the border."
No it won't. The increase in supply will pressure those prices downwards. Of course the new subdivisions won't sell at 100k but the old sub-divisions will find it a lot harder to maintain the 300k price.
"No it won’t. The increase
"No it won't. The increase in supply will pressure those prices downwards. Of course the new subdivisions won't sell at 100k but the old sub-divisions will find it a lot harder to maintain the 300k price."
Only if you attach a cost to holding the land, such as land taxes, otherwise the cost of holding is currently too low. People can afford to hold till the next boom.
The land development needs to be done on a huge scal for economies of scale.
" It’s also good that
" It's also good that you've noted the social cost of people being locked out of home ownership, I'm just baffled as to why people aren't up in arms about it, and why any government ever allowed this to happen."
Easy really, because those locked out as a group are much smaller than those who have made a killing of rising prices at their expense. Also, NZers tend to protest with their feet and leave rather than protest like French truck drivers.
Thieving b$%tards to a man
Thieving b$%tards to a man Auck Chitty Council.
Hey Bernardo go back and cast your peeps over English quiried by young pro's........ still waiting to hear if your going to probe further......
15% come on mate can't just leave it there.......Key and English now got the talking heads lying for them with loaded questions.... geesus.
Look I'll make it simple QUES.. Who wants GST to move to 15%.....?
Its not just the red
Its not just the red tape, its the absolutely woeful levels of efficiency as well......and they have to recover the cost of that inefficiency somehow.
Somebody (the Govt) needs to go through the councils in NZ like a bad curry....one by one.
Just looked at a property in Whitianga. CV $330k. Rates all up $ 2,800. Ouch.
Situation is a leetle bit
Situation is a leetle bit more nuanced, BH: changes in accounting, especially around assets and depreciation for councils, are partly to blame. Essentially, in the past, Councils (along with most public institutions) were quite clueless about asset holdings, value, replacement values and replacement regimes. They just fixed stuff as it blew up, or junked it and bought more. Hand-to-mouth principle, really. Worked for over 100 years, but.
Now, there's a complete cottage industry devoted to finding assets, valuing them, estimating remaining useful lives etc. Absolute boom for valuers, Quantity and other Surveyors, and of course we have to have photos, GPS coords, and hows about some real-time monitoring of critical bits like sewage pump motors and the like? Capital inflation, and mucho consultancy fees!
And the depreciation charges have of course ramped up amazingly (check a few Annual Reports from the biggest perps). Quelle surprise...
Then add the fact that the LG Act 2002 imposed the 'four wellbeings', and Councils have carte blanche to ensure those wellbeings are - well - being sustained, and that of course includes infrastructure.
Then (yes, Virginia, there's More where That came from) add the fact that in 't'olden days, new and expensive infrastructure was funded from loans and sinking funds. Now, that's more of a revenue item - far easier to make developers and other undesirables pay up front in cash, than have to sit down and nut out a prospectus, find investors or pay commissions to brokers to attract loan investors, and more generally work for yer outrageous local body salary. Just outsource the whole shebang.
And guess where all this ends up....on the price of sections, and in rates.
Consequences? Unintended consequences?
But, yer Honner, we Must sustain the Four Well-beings of our Fair City!
"Of the $93,750 in fees
"Of the $93,750 in fees he was charged, $46,000 went to the Auckland City Council as a financial contribution. "
What did the developer receive in return for this?
Perversly the more land you
Perversly the more land you free up, the more expensive the land closer to the centre will be as the congestion will create a price premium for those properties where you can reduce travel times. You could plot it like a volcano, the wider the base the higher the cone and therefore the price, and this trickles down the sides.
@Anon the developer got to
@Anon
the developer got to use his section, and because the original house and the new one that is now built on the original houses outdoor area have no grounds, and due to this they new owners of both homes have no place to be other than indoors - unless they go to the park (reserve) and play on the free swings, and walk on the free grass that is cut for free, with the graffiti removed for free, and the toilets cleaned and maintained for free etc etc. guess what, all that is true but the reserves cost money to run, especially if the population now has no alternative (like their own back yard)
small price to pay
@ John I think you
@ John
I think you are about 100% correct. what a great analogy using a volcano - it really does make complete sense, except when the heart of the city has moved (like hamilton creeping northwards has drained the CBD somewhat of it's (mega)stores.
in hamilton the properties on the outskirts may become the new centre, but that would be an exception to your rule, as most town centres do not move...
There are really two issues
There are really two issues here. The ridiculously high compliance costs and the restrictions on land availability. They are only tangentely related. 40% for compliance is over the top but restricting land supply does have positive outcomes. Water and sewerage reticulation becomes increasingly expensive as cities sprawl outwards and existing suburbs are affected too, as more and more demands are placed on the network.
Building bog standard housing on 700m sections becomes increasingly expensive and unattractive the further from the centre you sprawl because of the service and traffic problems. Its far more economical to increase density in central suburbs but the RMA and district plans do not encourage this and developers are warry of changing the business model that has worked for them in the past.
Anti sprawl measures are good but there needs to be more densification of existing areas to take up the slack. And enough quality public spaces to preserve quality of life. District plans should accomodate this better.
President of property is right, cities can't grow forever. High land prices are a market force that leads to population growth in other areas...
"Its far more economical to
"Its far more economical to increase density in central suburbs but the RMA and district plans do not encourage this and developers are warry of changing the businass model that has worked for them in the past. "
The centre of Auckland needs all the crappy old houses pulled down and then terraced housing put up in its place. This would allow the doubling at least of all the central housing stock. A good example are the terraced houses on George street facing the domain.
Bernard The big issue here
Bernard
The big issue here is that council charges put a disproportionately high cost on affordable housing but not necessarily on the price of mid or high end housing.
For example if I want to build a very basic 80m2 group housing type 3 bedroom home ($90,000 build cost) on the back section of an existing house, actual real costs to subdivide and develop the land excluding council fees will be about $15,000. But in Chch council fees to do the whole project will be at least $40,000. That's $40,000 out of a total of $145,000 cost - nearly 30%. Assume the undeveloped land was worth $70,000 then the total project cost is $215,000 and it's end value might be $260,000 so council costs make 15% of the end price.
However build a $350,000 on a $250,000 section (end price perhaps $650-700,000). Total fees are about the same maybe $5,000 more at most than the previous (maybe less as the development contributions tend to be higher in the cheaper areas than the more expensive ones in Chch). So total council costs are perhaps under 6% of the total cost.
On a $1.5m house council costs make up less than 3.5% of the cost (not much more than selling fees).
Cutting council fixed fees won't solve the situation of charging disproportionately high amounts on the construction of cheaper homes. The fees need to be charged more in proportion to the end cost of the house. At the moment, even in cheaper suburbs, there is more incentive to build fewer larger homes than more smaller homes because of these fees. So the cost of new homes is driven up. The fact is how many small budget houses are built in even the cheapest suburbs of ChCh like the first example I outlined? Virtually none. Most new homes in Linwood or Hornby subdivisions are $420,000 180m2 mid range houses.
Unlimited supply of land won't cure high section prices either. High oil prices have driven the cost of developing land up far faster than inflation (cost of crushed metal, asphalt, plastic piping, plus high copper prices). So on a $250,000(incl GST) section maybe $35,000 is the developers margin, maybe $70,000(plus GST) is the underlying land cost, $40,000(incl GST) council fees, $7,000(+GST) sales fees, $15,000 debt servicing, $60,000(+GST) actual costs.
Slashing council fees may cut 10% off the finished section price.
Cutting the cost of the underlying land (rezoning more land) will cut some, but how much?
On the outskirts of ChCh a 4ha block (current minimum size) will sell for at least $1m for use as a lifestyle block. (Smaller blocks 1 or 2ha that are already there sell for not much less). A 20ha rural block close to residential land in the north-west recently sold at $550,000 per hectare (rezoning possibly 10-20 years away). So even if this type of land was rezoned now and prices fell substantially say to $300,000 per hectare then underlying land cost would still be $30,000 per section, reducing the price of the finished sections maybe 15%.
So even if both council fees are cut and land is made available we would still have sections on the outskirts of ChCh at no less than say $175,000 (even reducing the sales fees, interest costs and margins proportionately). So unless you cut the standard of amenities provided as well then there is little chance of severely impacting on finished house prices.
Remember even if you reduced section prices by the $75,000 outlined above you would only cut the finished house price by about 10%, of which 2.2% will be lost to an increase in GST.
In places like Dunedin where there is no real shortage of land and virtually no council charges, sections prices in new subdivisions are not that much lower.
You can buy in a development finished a few years ago for around $100,000 (or an old section in an undesirable area for $30,000 for the bargain hunters). But in new developments you will still pay about $130-150,000.
Really the absolute minimum value a new section in a new street on a flat piece of land would be a total of:
$10,000 underlying land value (only possible in really rural areas)
$5,000 council fees (council would need to be very generous)
$35,000 actual costs (the most basic services only - no footpaths or curbs)
$5,000 debt servicing/holding cost
$5,000 selling/marketing fees
$15,000 margin (would need to be a large subdivision which is not likely in the type of areas this sort of development would be possible)
Plus GST at 15%
And the total is just short of $90,000.
This shows just how unrealistic it is to get quality subdivisions in the big cities at anything like $100,000 sections.
To make housing affordable, any reform needs to be targeted at bringing down costs in developing infill housing in existing areas.
Any changes however are not going to drive down house prices, as shaving more than 10% off the cost of the average new house would be a huge challenge.
My guess, AndyM, is that
My guess, AndyM, is that a Land Tax would encourage your suggestion. It would get rid of houses that had effectively depreciated to nil; and make new, more land-use efficent accomodation a better economic proposal.
Councils are too powerful. But
Councils are too powerful. But they are just lagging in their adjustment to new realities. The power in councils was built over the term of the Labor govt enhanced by the establishment of the Dept of Housing and Building and given further impetus by the leaky buildings and the failure of the private consent processors.
As we enter a new era strong new leadership will emerge once the dust settles. Councils are elected and economics will force rates lower and red tape to loosen. I actually agree with POP here, new town centers are required. These could be located near transport hubs and have predetermined ultimate populations sizes so that they did not overflow onto productive land and result in to sort of urban sprawl that is so inefficient and reliant on cars.
As for prices I for one am not tempted to buy a Mount Eden Villa that I used to rent as a student when it was worth $240k for $750k. Housing has peaked, prices will correct. Lets leave that alone and get on with ensuring New Zealand has the sustainable economic future it can and should have.
@Simon Strong new leadership, lower
@Simon
Strong new leadership, lower rates and red tapes... ummm I like your thinking.. What are you smoking?
If you could build quality
If you could build quality 8 x 80sqm 3 bed apartments x 10 - 20 levels in the CBD and upgrade the CBD infrastructure with the money charged by the council it would mean 80 to 160 sections would not be required? This would go a long way to creating a vibrant city
@Sean - that's the direction
@Sean - that's the direction Brisbane/Melbourne and Sydney are heading - Their town planners are smarter then ours, most of their apartments must have minimum size required and parking. As well as noise insulation etc..
GBM: Here's a twist on
GBM: Here's a twist on your post. Harry Triguboff ( Meriton Apartments - Aussie's biggest apartment builder) says 'apartments without parking will be the new alternative'. Why do you need a car, parked in the garage all week, if you can walk/public transport it to work efficiently? Just rent the sucker at the weekend if you need to, and the cheaper cost of the apartment & no car easily outweighs the cost of hiring the car! Makes the build cheaper, and hence sale price, as there's non of this digging big holes underneath the apartment block to deal with.
Great post Chris_J, nice to
Great post Chris_J, nice to see real world examples from someone who knows rather than straight opinion.
@ GBM Not smoking anything.
@ GBM Not smoking anything. My point, obscure perhaps, is that we have only just entered a new era. Over nine years councils became stronger and the bureaucracy entrenched. We should expect that real change will take as long.
Chris-J Is a good example
Chris-J Is a good example of what 'an investor' should be all about, Kristover. Well thought out, researched and manged. Many 'investors', though, wouldn't have a clue about the details of his post. In effect they take his, and others similar, work and 'piggy back' off it, and hope and assume that they will make a profit without doing similar investigation.
@ Chris, One way to
@ Chris,
One way to shave huge cost off new houses is to make them much smaller. A 50 sqr meter house can probably be built for 60k without any difficulty. A smaller house requires a smaller section etc.
Where are the blog columns
Where are the blog columns on this site about the Securities Commission launching a probe into the NZX operating a two-tiered information system / insider trading etc with respect to Allied Farmers shares???? That'll get the punters abandoning property and investing in the sharemarket aye Bernard!!!!!
As a side issue re
As a side issue re councils, who wouldn't like some openness around the contracts that Wilson and Tournament parking have with the councils?
Surely ratepayers deserve to know a bit more about how these contracts were awarded, what the terms are, and whether ratepayers are happy for those contracts to remain in place. I know that parking is necessary, but the tail should not wag the dog should it?
I bet most of the
I bet most of the people posting here have never dealt with an Auckland council over a development. I am doing this now and I can tell you the experience is tortuous.
They are a bunch of power-hungry, left-leaning, box-ticking, rule-checking a***holes.
They have their district plans designed so that you can do very little without resource consent. So that is the start of the gravy train for them. Because you apply for and get resource consent (at extraordinary cost and much delay) and they impose conditions which require you to go back to them for further approvals at various stages - all charged for and all with the threat that if you don't do it exactly the way they have stipulated you won't be given Code Compliance.
So they have developers over a barrel and they know it. And they like it this way. The Resource Management act gives them the legislative power to do this. They revel in it.
And then there's the new and improved building code which very few people know about. It's now quite tough i.e. the building standards are much higher than has been the case in the past.
So houses are certainly not going to get any cheaper any time soon unless quite large changes are made to how all this happens. And I can't see that occurring at all, let alone any time soon. The councils like their fees, if they were at death's door their last few words would be "On payment of this invoice...".
So of course this takes all the fun out of development and most of the profit too. And once again, they like this aspect of things too!
David
Aaron For your viewing pleasure...
Aaron
For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2010/02/22/securities-comm...
cheers
Bernard
Why not go the whole
Why not go the whole hog with tenement type developments.
Then we could move on from Shortland Street and have our very own series like The Bill. Chasing those rascals with too much time on their hands and a bit of pent up energy from living in the zoo.
Chris J Many thanks for
Chris J
Many thanks for your contribution. Very interesting detail.
cheers
Bernard
Some very interesting comments from
Some very interesting comments from people that I would not have thought I would have agreed with.
Working in the UK, planning applications were being refused in 2005 for not having enough dwellings on them. City centre densities at 120 per hectare, central fringe at 70 per hectare and suburbia at 30-40 per hectare.
At 600m2 in NZ it is 17 per hectare, at 800m2 you get 12.5 per hectare and that does not include roading provisions.
Going to be interesting to see the consequences. Increase in population density = increase in population stress.......ecology 101, might also have some influence on economics?
Not sure the Councils are all the problem..... and once again, why must we grow?
Agree with many of the
Agree with many of the commentators that our beauracracy is out of control. The trend over the past 10 years have been spend, then tax to cover the bill. The most concerning thing is that the majority of expenditure has gone into back and middle office beauracracy, not productive expenditure. Helath care is a prime example of this. Just ask the front line doctors and nurses.
National needs to take the knife to this very aggressively. We will probably be very surprised that we can cut high chunks of fat off without any impairment in service, in fact it will probably improve. Just look at the higher paid career job ads to see how out of balance things are..most of the professional jobs over the last 5 years have been in he public sector, with tiles such as "Manager of Strategic Thinking" and "Manager of Community Feedback" etc. All absolute time-wasters. Then add the "consultants" on top of that, it is criminal.
Offical word is NZ now have more beuacrates that sheep. The only difference is that you can eat a sheep so it actually has some value. The again, you could possibly eat a beaucrate, but given their exclusive diets of bull-s**t, they probably would taste terrible.
Have an interesting situation in
Have an interesting situation in Whakatane where Council is having to refund some developers fees - but where the house is no longer owned by the developer, the refund is going to the home owner, not the developer.
'WHAKATANE District Council has reviewed its development contributions policy and found it owes property owners hundreds of thousands of dollars in over-charged levies.
It also faces possible litigation from a developer who says he has had to pay levies which were wrongly applied and which should not have been charged in the first place.
Developers who have been over-charged for homes and sections they have developed and sold in the past four years will receive nothing from the council - the refund, by law, will go to the property owner.
The house buyers will be delighted at their windfall, and are likely to receive thousands of dollars each.
Refunds will vary depending on the whereabouts of the property, as different development contribution criteria apply to different locations'.
http://www.whakatanebeacon.co.nz/cms/news/2010/01/art10006524.php
No doubt it will be the ratepayers paying for the bungle.
Chirs_J Good points! Your suggestion
Chirs_J
Good points!
Your suggestion that Development contributions could be charged on their build value is an interesting one.
However my preference is that contributions be tied to dwelling size. This then has the sound basis of tying contributions paid with average impact on infrastruture (there is no infrastructure-related basis for charged a cheaprer house less than a more expensive house). On an averaged basis a 2 bedroom 80 sq metre house will generate significantly less impact on infrastructure than a 5 bedroom 200 square metre house, as occupancy is the key factor that relates to wastewater, water, roading impacts.
So you could say that any house over 120 square metres pays the status quo, then there is say a 1 % discount for every 1 square metres smaller than that
So a 105 square metres house would get a 15% discount, an 80 square metre house a 40% discount etc.
What is clear is that a comprehensive approach is required. the problems won't be addressed if only one component is attacked.
So we need:
- Release of the MUL except in areas on the MUL edge that have exceptional ecological values
- Liberalisation of planning controls in existing urban areas, to allow more ready development of duplexes, small scaled cluster housing, low rise terrace housing and apartments (3 levels)
-Reform of development contributions
- More kick ass penalities for poor council performance in processing consents
From the sidelines said: "most
From the sidelines said:
"most of the professional jobs over the last 5 years have been in he public sector, with tiles such as "Manager of Strategic Thinking" and "Manager of Community Feedback" etc. All absolute time-wasters. Then add the "consultants" on top of that, it is criminal."
Agreed, a big sword needs to be taken to the large number of such wasteful jobs
It does puzzle me why National hasn't slashed the bureaucracy - after all there can't be great political risk in doing so provided it is these nonsensical jobs that they cut rather than core administrative and front line jobs
I built a double carport
I built a double carport in my back yard went through waitakere city council from the time I applied for building consent to getting cop took 9 months and cost me $1400 and that was 5 years ago.I thought they were a bad joke then and my opinon of them has'nt changed.
@Chris_J It’s good to see
@Chris_J
It's good to see some details of what the costs are. My feeling is that this needs to be turned on its head though. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but I don't believe that house prices are the consequence of increased costs, I think the increased costs are the result of high house prices. During the boom years, artificially low interest rates, banks failing to price risk correctly, and lack of regulation meant that investors could pay ridiculous amounts for a house and still turn a profit. This meant house prices could go through the roof. As this happened, all the costs along the way inflated too, so the price of land shot up and councils started hiking their fees.
I think that tight resource constraints would explain why NZ typically has high house prices relative to say the US, but this doesn't explain the boom from around 2002-2008. The boom in house prices is just another part of the Financial Crisis - artificially low interest rates, banks failing to price risk correctly, and lack of regulation.
Opposing views from Aussie: "Real
Opposing views from Aussie:
"Real Estate Institute of Australia president David Airey says the sector "cruised past" the global financial crisis, with younger buyers not afraid of high debt levels." According to News Limited journalist Anthony Keane, "Total housing debt is set to reach $1 trillion within a year. The figure itself is not a worry, but there is concern the pace of borrowing is exceeding household income growth."
Kris Sayce : "Not a worry! Is he mad? Nearly $1 trillion isn't a worry? Oh Lordy. We've heard it all now."
James said: "The boom in
James said:
"The boom in house prices is just another part of the Financial Crisis "“ artificially low interest rates, banks failing to price risk correctly, and lack of regulation."
Those were all factors however a bigger factor was the impact of these conditions in combination with excessive planning regulation. There were many markets in the USA that had rapid popualation growth and had the same financial factors however bubbles did not develop in those markets because of more liberal planning regimes.
And this argument is widely supported by economists left and right of the political spectrum
@MattinAuck Can you give a
@MattinAuck
Can you give a couple of examples of those US markets without bubbles? Or a reference to where there are more details, I'd like to have a look.
@David - "So they have
@David - "So they have developers over a barrel and they know it. And they like it this way. The Resource Management act gives them the legislative power to do this. They revel in it.
And then there's the new and improved building code which very few people know about. It's now quite tough i.e. the building standards are much higher than has been the case in the past."
Of course, developers are good people who do not take advantage or twist rules and situations to their advantage. All council workers are bad, all developers are good?
So we should trust developers to provide well built, economical housing that meets all the requirements without legislating. Yeah that will work, developers are all honourable people.
NB. This is not an attack on all developers, just people who think that they should not be subject to rules and regulations.
James - Oh, for example
James - Oh, for example Houston or Dallas. Popular , growing cities, limited housing bubbles and subsequent crashes
@MattinAuck Another comment, after thinking
@MattinAuck
Another comment, after thinking about it for a bit:
I don't see how planning regulations could have been the main factor. It makes sense that areas with liberal planning regulations could have avoided bubbles, but for planning regulations to be a major cause of the boom doesn't. The reason is that the planning regulations would need to have become significantly tougher in a lot of entirely separate countries at pretty much the same time. It seems to me that the explanation needs to be something that changed in a number of countries around 2001. The factors I mentioned for the Financial Crisis fit that criterion, I don't think planning regulations could.
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James - as I said
James - as I said the financial conditions were a strong factor. But remember too that many restrictive planning regimes were established in the early / mid 1990s, over time with high immigration and population growth in many urban centres any spare land capacity in these centres was eaten up
For example, in Auckland, I reckon most of the easier land development opportunities were exhausted by 2000.
Now in light of the difficulty in getting higher density developments off the ground and the limits on urban expansion, economics 101 tells us that with growing demand and shrinking supply prices will rise
So the land tax proposal
So the land tax proposal by the TWG was not a goer.
It would have been too low anyway to be acceptable to help release land.
What might just work would be an increasing 'betterment levy' on the difference between the present use value and the final value at market.
Just to make it work to release sites would be a low start level increasing year by year by 10% steps until it reached say 50% of the gain.
That would release enough land to lower market prices.
@MattinAuck I've just had a
@MattinAuck
I've just had a look at the Case-Shiller figures for Dallas. You're right, it looks like it pretty well avoided the boom completely.
However, I still think the main cause was the demand fuelled by the credit boom. Clearly there were some places where supply was sufficienly flexible to handle the increased demand, but the big change was still the new demand. I don't see that planning restrictions and land capacity could have suddenly reached a bottleneck in so many areas worldwide at around the same time. If it was just NZ say, then it would be plausible, but across a number of different countries, I don't see it.
Bernard, I have posted on
Bernard,
I have posted on this before but I will persist.
Noone from the 'planning restrictions in booming Auckland drive prices to unaffordable levels' camp has explained why the data suggests that the last decade's boom in property prices was across the board in NZ.
Rural prices and provincial town prices went up as much and in some cases more than in Auckland.
Easy credit is the villain.
Our government and Council only
Our government and Council only really know when it's lunch time and home time.
If you had to ever deal with dumbcil I mean council, you will walk out thinking you walked into an idiot factory.
@James "It seems to me
@James
"It seems to me that the explanation needs to be something that changed in a number of countries around 2001. "
Two words 'Alan Greenspan'.
Though the situation is a little more complicated in NZ (as I see it).
Post 9/11, lord of the Rings etc. there was massive net migration into NZ, 45k net in 2002/2003.This kicked off the housing boom. People, especially investors, saw that there was a quick buck to be made and piled into housing.
Where Alan GS came into the mix was lowering interest rates post 9/11 (for far too long) to avoid recession in the US (All he did in reality was postpone and make it worse when it came). This flooded NZ banks with cheap money which gave the housing market an extra kick to sustain it for another couple of years.
The reality is that the main driver was lack of supply caused by the net migration boom, the other reasons just added accelerant to the fire.
Once the prices jumped up through lack of supply there was no coming down due to the stickiness in house prices. While it doesn't help people who want a house now, we just need prices to stay stable for 4-5 years (or even decline a small degree) so that inflation makes their real value a lot less. 4-5 years of 4% inflation combined with 5-10% decline would make proces 25-30% cheaper in real terms.
Re: my post above, A
Re: my post above,
A quick glance at REINZ's median prices from Jan'00 to Jan'10 shows the following increases;
Auckland 96%
WaikatoBoP 100%
Taranaki 223%
Hawkes Bay 122%
Otago 163%
Southland 180%
I know as a fellow came of ager from the Rogernomics era that it's tempting to blame every fault on the 'bloody bureaucrats' but where is the evidence????????
What you missed expat was
What you missed expat was that Auckland's prices boomed in the 90s relative to the rest of NZ, so provincial NZ did a catchup in the 2000s boom.
Hey Dinny That's a bit
Hey Dinny
That's a bit harsh talking about the 'takecoverment of NZ' and the 'cuntcils of the nation's towns and cities'
but i like the idiot factory bit...
<blockquote> James – Oh, for
And unfortunately that confound of there being considerably tighter lending criteria in Texas than other states during the bubble years of the early to mid 2000's gets ignored again and again and again.
Maybe the Growth Lobby chooses to ignore that irritating little factoid, coz it will cause Cognitive Dissonance for the "Housing Regulations caused the bubble" mindset.
A couple of relevant links
http://www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/1995/swe9503a.pdf
This link gives a view of how the banks in Texas were probably still feeling "once bitten twice shy" in the mid 2000's. Have a read about the boom in the late 80's cheap and easy credit galore then.
Never mind that people in Texas subsequently found it hard to get subprime loans in the mid 2000's when people in California found it as easy as pie. Must have been those planning regulations... Or maybe the Texas bankers had a memory of having been burnt recently so didn't want to play with that fire.
http://baselinescenario.com/2009/08/18/vermont-texas-and-subprime-loans/
which points to a Wall Street Journal article
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125054188939938015.html
Auckland is speculation city always
Auckland is speculation city always has been always will be. When it crashes it hits the ground hard. It's hitting the ground pretty hard right now. The fact is it's not a friendly city. If you are a workaholic and you love tread mills Auckland is the place for you. Otherwise you are way better off, if you can earn a decent living, in a provincial town.
Yeah, of course every mongrel
Yeah, of course every mongrel and his dog is cutting a margin out of house building, but consider this, just how much productive land do you allocate to housing, and what percentage of population is to much?
Also remember that every new mortgage is written into existance as debt book entry, becoming part of tier 1 capital valued at current market value, is then under current international banking regulations handed down by BIS, allowed to expand those reserves as further created credit, leaving it up to the prudence of the lending institution as to just what expansion ratio that might be provided they can keep their customers "confidence" in their abilities to cover their liabilities.
Thus ever increasing mega cities have become unsustainable sinkwells of debt that have led their nations down the plug hole.
Fair point Andy M, playing
Fair point Andy M, playing the they're a bit slower in the provinces card eh...
So lets go to the figures again;
REINZ median price increases Jan'92 to Jan'10
Auckland + 227%
New Zealand + 232%
So Auckland slightly underperformed the nation as a whole - MYTH BUSTED!
Dont believe me about new
Dont believe me about new mortgages being written into existance as a debt book entry, observe my question and reply from Bill English;
9. Could you please tell me if in New Zealand, a "new" mortgage at issuance, before it becomes tradable, is loaned to a borrower by a registered bank, is that mortgage created as a debt book entry account, not anyone's existing savings, but an electronic debt book entry creating "new money"?
The creation of a new residential mortgage will generally result in new money (bank deposits) being created. The bank grants a new loan to a purchaser, who uses the cash to buy property from a vendor. The vendor then may spend or save the proceeds boosting deposits in the financial system.
the full version is here
http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2010/02/12/top-10-at-10-nz...
Time you house traders opened your eyes to what goes on behind the diplomatic curtain.
@Andy M I think you're
@Andy M
I think you're spot on with Alan Greenspan. He's definitely in the frame for this one. I'm not so convinced about the immigration bit though, I think it's overstated. I like it as a theory, it's got the major advantage of getting the timing right, and it explains why it was the same story all across NZ. However I think it falls down when you look overseas - this boom was closely co-ordinated in many countries.
@Gibber Thanks for the info
@Gibber
Thanks for the info and the links.
As a builder in the
As a builder in the Rotorua area for many years I feel Council fee increases were a direct response to the housing boom. The boom was well under way when our local council decided they would cash in particularly with suddivision fees. You can see their wisdom(probably a oxymoron) they were cash strapped and here was an oppurtunity to good to miss. Now the property market has become subdued this fees are acting as a deterrant. I have to agree with comments above that the biggest villian by far was easy credit followed closely by a classic human weakness best explained by the phrase "keeping up with the Jones'." The added lure was capital gain and now look where we are.
The young and working age
The young and working age native kiwis have already voted with their feet - there are very few left and those who are left talk of nothing else but how to get off these islands... Who will be left?
1) The wrinkly landlords, slumlords really
2) Immigrants mainly from China and India who have much lower expectations about what is the 'good life' than westerners.
Group 2 will be renting from group 1, as at 30K or 40K per year there is no way they can buy a 600K or 700K house in AKL.
Very little money will go into the state coffers, and the jobsworths will have to lose their do-nothing sinecures at some point sooner than later... what a shame we don't have a government which serves the people, they only serve themselves and the elites... but it cannot last long...
For Auckland, maybe some commuter
For Auckland, maybe some commuter towns? Fast train from Helensville to Britomart? High density housing around the station and build out from there?
Mel vv... I do hope that doesn't happen, NZ is such a good place, but with no balance of social groups & NZ only having landlords and immigrants then it'll fall to pieces. I hope the government knows that and can reverse the Australia export of natives.
Try this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-Cities-for-Real-Estat
Try this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-Cities-for-Real-Estate-usnews-375742734...
9. Fort Worth/Arlington, Texas: In recent years, home prices in the Fort Worth and Arlington, Texas, area have also grown increasingly undervalued when compared with longer-term averages. The area's price-to-income ratio fell from 3.95 in the fourth quarter of 2005 to 1.89 through the third quarter of 2009. Compared with an average price-to-income ratio of 2.02 for the 15 years before 2003, house prices in the Fort Worth/Arlington area are now relatively undervalued. And with a labor market that is projected to perform better than the national average, home prices in this region are expected to hit bottom in 2011 and begin moving higher, according to Moody's Economy.com.
Why are houses cheaper there? Land is called dirt in Texas. As in dirt poor. It is cheap and plentiful and flat. They do have tornados and snakes.
Here there is a vast amount of land of very low usefulness. It is suitable for sheep farming or forestry. There is no reason to ration its use. The council system works like a sort of legalised corruption whereby the bureaucratic process comes first.
Come on New Zealand, we can do better than this.
@Mel vv, DanC, Maybe some,
@Mel vv, DanC,
Maybe some, are trying to achieve population homogenisation, dilution and weakening of sovereignty, why would they want to reverse the trends you have noticed?
For those common taters wondering
For those common taters wondering why, oh why Council rate and fee increases seem - shall we say - a tad excessive, point yo' Browser of Choice at the legislation site, call up the Local Government Act 2002, and read section 3.
For those disinclined to be IP logged by Big Gummint, here's the money quote from the aforesaid section: 3(Purpose):
Now, ponder what conceivable expense cannot be fitted into one of those 'Four Well-beings'.
None, right?
I think the French expression for this is 'carte blanche', but then y'all may care to take this with a grain of salt: I convulsed an entire language class back in the day, as I conveyed the thought that my brother and I bunked, with the halting French sentence 'I sleep on top of my brother'.
And if anyone is thinking aboot breaking out the torches and pitchforks and having at the sorry excuse for a politician who got That wording past the House, save yer spleen. It was Sandra Lee, and she ain't there any mo'.
But the Unintended Consequences roll right along......
"1) The wrinkly landlords, slumlords
"1) The wrinkly landlords, slumlords really
2) Immigrants mainly from China and India who have much lower expectations about what is the "˜good life' than westerners."
The government could care less about whether NZs born and bred population stay. There are many from India, China etc who see NZ as a vast step up from their own countries (even though we're at the arse end of the OECD) and are quite happy to be allowed in. Though I'm afraid a lot see it as backdoor entry into Australia.
"Figures released by one developer
"Figures released by one developer reveal almost 40 per cent of the $250,000 cost of building a pair of two-bedroom units in Auckland went on a staggering array of bureaucratic fees, consents and permits.
The anonymous developer, who builds in Auckland suburbs with housing shortages, said the fees were blocking new low-cost housing projects.
Of the $93,750 in fees he was charged, $46,000 went to the Auckland City Council as a financial contribution. The resource consent cost $23,000 and an ACC consent, $8500. Water connection was $8300 and an electricity connection fee $5500. Other fees were paid for a right of way consent charge and vehicle crossing permit."
So lets put this down to basics.
$93K is about the salary of 1 council bureaucrat on the ave wage working for 2 yrs processing 1 application....
This is rediculus even assuming many off the charges are actual physical and the salaries are higher.
Or put another way (tongue in cheek) is this why the council bureaucracy is so over bloated and consents take so long...1 bureaucrat per application and the applications take 6 to 12 months to process.?
Went to an open home
Went to an open home on the N.Shore over the weekends and asked the agent how the market is doing.
Agent: "Ever since John Key said there'll be no CGT and no Land Tax, prices are on the rise again. This is a good time to buy. It's going to more expensive later"
Me: "Wouldn't a change claims for depreciation affect the market?"
Agent: "Nope. Only about 5% of home-owners would be affected."
Gibber said: "And unfortunately that
Gibber said:
"And unfortunately that confound of there being considerably tighter lending criteria in Texas than other states during the bubble years of the early to mid 2000's gets ignored again and again and again.
Maybe the Growth Lobby chooses to ignore that irritating little factoid, coz it will cause Cognitive Dissonance for the "Housing Regulations caused the bubble" mindset."
Interesting point, I wasn't aware of that. I DO still think that planning regulaiotns are playing a big part though (although I think Demographia exaggerate the impact)
I'm pretty convinced its a combination of supply and demand side factors