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Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10am. I'm focusing today on other reaction to the Key tax plan. Apologies for the delay. Wanted to have a good look around. Also, we had a denial of service attack that took our site down. Now rectified...for now. I welcome your additions and comments below or please send suggestions for Thursday's Top 10 at 10 to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz

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1. 'Just smile and wave boys' - Cactus Kate captures the frustration over John Key's speech in her piece 'Smile and Wave' does what he knows best. Cactus reckons I spat the dummy.

In fairness I spat the dummy years ago when I left the country so well done Bernard. I didn't agree with what you were saying necessarily, but if tax needed changes, I can't see any here that are at all substantial.

We've still got welfare for families. We've still got high taxes and excessive government spending.

We've now got yet another debate as to why GST shouldn't be hiked as it will effect low income earners. And the silliness of welfare to pay for the GST rise.

We've still got yet another government calling for a crackdown on beneficiaries. Hello, aren't you doing that already? And if GST increases they get more money? Why? Isn't that just more welfare.

Her final insult is priceless

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I am not even going to rate the speech as it was just like sex without the orgasm. Not worth bothering about.

2. 'Just a C grade' - Eric Crampton at Offsetting Behaviour gives the speech a C grade. He makes the good point that any marginal changes on GST and property will not pay for much of a cut in the top tax rates. Sigh.

The good news from Key's speech is that we're not going to get a land tax. The bad news, surprisingly, also is that we're not going to get a land tax. Or, rather, Key has given himself no room to make the tax system more efficient. I was hoping for a bigger GST hike to pay for some bigger cuts to marginal income tax rates [hopes for spending cuts are a hope too far].

Instead, we're getting a relatively small GST increase (2.5 percentage points) that will be coupled with increases to low income benefits to offset any (dubiously proven) harms to poor people - in other words, not enough to be able to do anything on marginal tax rates. I'd be surprised if whatever moves they make on tightening up rules around tax treatment of investment properties give them space to do much on marginal income tax rates either.

Eric points out rightly that Key did announce a working group to look at long term welfare dependency that might be good...or not

I wonder if he'll pay it any more attention than he's paid to either of the previously commissioned expert working groups on productivity and taxes, both of which seem consigned to the shredder. It would be foolhardy to expect any of this to amount to much given the track record. This time, I'm going to revise my expectations sufficiently downwards that I won't be disappointed again.

3. 'Moronic and laughable' - Matt Nolan at TVHE is also underwhelmed by Key's speech.

I've heard rumours they would change GST in October. Increasing GST just before Christmas, with no compensation, and coming out of a recession with elevated unemployment is what I would term moronic. As a result, it can't be ruled out

No land tax, no capital gains tax, probably some fiddling around depreciation rules (although that wasn't even pointed at in the speech), all implies that the government isn't really that serious about ensuring property is treated the same as other capital investment.

I heard today that we were going to hear about "significant changes to the tax system", something about a "step change". Other than the possibility of a slight shift from income to consumption taxes there was nothing in this speech. To be honest, it makes me laugh a little

The more I think about it, the more this speech implied a STEP BACK from the MINOR adjustments that everyone already expected. No mention of LAQC's, no mention of changes to the treatment of depreciation on property, no commitment to a GST rate change, no aims to flatten the income tax scale per see (as the higher GST would be fully compensated).

A lot of (waffly) talk about investment and minor fiddles with benefits....but which indicates how tax reform DOESN'T HAVE A PRIORITY in terms of the governments thinking. In reality this speech has shown that this government is less willing to change issues that have been illustrated with the tax system then we believed before the speech.

4. What was the point again? - Keith Ng at Public Address points out that the GST increase seems pointless, unless of course the government's plan is not to compensate the poor for the increase.

To offset the impact of the GST increase to the bottom 50%, he'd have to slash the bottom tax rate in half (to around 6.7%, to be precise), or introduce a $6000 tax-free threshold.

But either of those measures would extend to the top 50% as well, and it would cost a lot more than $1b. In fact, it would eat up most of the revenue from the GST hike and leave little to fund the reduction of the top tax rates - which was the point of the whole exercise.

Sure, it *could* happen. But a much more likely scenario is that the compensation will fall far short of the actual impact of the GST.

5. Key bottles it - David Slack, who has worked at the highest levels in the Beehive, writes at Public Address about the sense of disbelief and disappointment that Key bottled it when he had a perfect opportunity.

Here comes the man with the step change ladder. Will the government bring the boom down on property investment? Will they take advantage of the bloody big gun the Tax Working Group has conveniently wheeled all the way up to the emplacement for them? It has given them a complete rationalisation and justification for them to proffer as they step forward to regretfully but nobly fire the damn thing.

All around the village, the citizens are braced for it. We know this because the media has been full of it and the message is emphatic: the market is already taking a hit; there might be a land tax! A capital gains tax! A closing of the very big hole through which every Leonard-Cohen-going, black-polo-neck-wearing, four-rental-property-owning silver-haired baby boomer has been dragging the paperwork for their LAQC and their tax deductions.

You know for sure that a policy has real heft when the market is moving even before you announce it. So what does that nice Mr Key do with this mighty once-in-a generation opportunity for a step change? He consults the polling. He gets up there, stands alongside the mighty gun, pulls out a water pistol, squeezes it and says: "I make no apologies for making a few of you a bit wet."

Heaven forbid anyone should substantially change the 'investment' habits of a lifetime. That would be a step too far.

6. More bureaucrats - Even the left are grumpy about John Key's speech. Gordon Campbell at Scoop also pointed out the bizarreness of commissioning a Tax Working Group and then ignoring most of its findings. But Campbell rightly points to the problems inherent in trying to compensate for a GST hike.

Hell, even Peter Dunne is sceptical that the government can "˜compensate' the vulnerable for the hike in GST to 15%, without fostering exactly the sort of cumbersome and costly bureaucratic delivery mechanisms that this government claims to abhor.

7. Oh dear - GST is a real political problem for Key. The NZHerald points out here he ruled out a GST hike before the election.

In a 2008 press conference, Mr Key said raising taxes would not happen under a National Government.

"National is not going to be raising GST. National wants to cut taxes, not raise taxes."

Mr Key made the comment when asked if he could rule out a GST rise as a new Government grappled with deficits.

A National Government would borrow in the short term, he said. A tax hike would only be a consideration five years down the road, by which point economic growth would have made it unnecessary, he said.

"If we do a half decent job as a Government growing our economy, I'm confident that's not going to be happening and that's not on our agenda."

8. 'Low rates fuel bubbles' - Australia has a central banker who talks an awful lot of sense. Glenn Stevens, the Governor of the Reserve Bank of Australia, said yesterday that one way to control asset bubbles is not to keep interest rates low, Bloomberg reported. I hope Alan Bollard was there and was listening.

Efforts by policy makers to halt future asset bubbles and credit booms forming may be futile if borrowing costs are kept too low for too long, according to Australia's central bank Governor Glenn Stevens.

"If the root problem is simply that interest rates are too low, experience suggests that efforts to handle the problem by regulation aimed at constraining balance-sheet growth won't work for long," Stevens wrote in a paper he co-wrote and delivered to a gathering of central bankers in Sydney today.

"There remains considerable debate about the role of monetary policy in responding to risks to financial stability, Stevens wrote in the article entitled "Fifty Years of Monetary Policy: What Have We Learned?"

The "potential instability of a well-developed boom means that for policy makers the least-harm policy is to make sure that their settings are not inadvertently fueling the build- up," he said.

9. Euro crisis - The situation around the Euro and a potential bailout of Greece is reaching crisis levels. European Central Bank Chief Jean Claude Trichet left the Sydney conference early yesterday to attend an EU conference on Thursday that was supposed to be a regular one on economic reform but is now a full blown emergency meeting.

The reports overnight of a German-led bailout of Greece should be taken with a big grain of salt. The FT rightly points out the Germans are desperate not to bail out the whole of southern Europe. They want to create a firewall.

As the eurozone's dominant economy, Germany would be expected to take the lead in marshalling financial support for a Greek bail-out. There are fears the crisis could spread to other eurozone states with big deficits such as Spain and Portugal.

"We've had to face up to the fact that what is now a Greek problem could turn into a European one," the official said.

"We're thinking about what we should do if the crisis spills from Greece into other euro countries. So it's more about finding firewalls, containing the problem, than principally about helping the Greeks." He added there were "no concrete plans" as yet.

Here's Ed Harrison at Credit Writedowns explaining the German vibe on it all. They don't want to bail out Greece one little bit.

Many ordinary Germans feel their good money is now being trashed. They already had a currency union between Ostmark and Deutsche Mark, with Western Germans submitting to a "solidarity tax" in order to finance the upgrading of Eastern Germany's infrastructure. So, to this day, many German look at larger Euro notes to determine if they were printed by the Germans, Italians, or Greeks "“ sometimes rejecting notes printed in countries viewed with suspicion like Italy (see the Telegraph's 2008 story on this here)

With this as background, you should see the 2009 election of the CDU/CSU/FDP coalition as a signal that the German government is unlikely to submit to a bailout.  With the FDP replacing the SPD in government, the likelihood of a Greek bailout decreases. The FDP is the libertarian junior partner in this new coalition (the same coalition which produced the SGP, by the way) and they are under enormous pressure from their constituents not to permit any bailouts.  If Germany allows German tax dollars to go to the EU in order to bailout the profligacy of Italy or Greece, there would be riots.  Spain is another story "“ but Greece is known as fiscally profligate in Germany "“ so bailing them out is unacceptable politically. Let's not forget that Germany has it's own problems in banking as well.

10. Totally irrelevant video - Here's the Onion reporting on a worm that steals credit cards....

Insidious Worm Makes Unauthorized Purchases When Computer User Is Drunk

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#7 Hone Key said no

#7 Hone Key said no GST tax rise during the election campaign. He also said the Waikato Expressway would be completed within 10 years. It now looks more like 20 years. Why do politicians tell lies? I guess its because they are a low class lot.

I think David Slack sums

I think David Slack sums it up best.

"It has given them a complete rationalisation and justification for them to proffer as they step forward to regretfully but nobly fire the damn thing.
"

What was most tragic about the speech, is that Key has wasted a great opportunity that was POLITICALLY DOABLE due to the MASSIVE change in economist, media and general public sentiment. Key, you are a limp wristed failure. OR, you are in the pockets of your mates. I am not sure what is worse.

Inb the end, John Key

Inb the end, John Key is just an ordinary politician...and ordinary politician do ordinary things...eg not getting your voter pool all hot and bothered (and lose money on their investments of course)...it's the same with Obama, just multiply the size of it all.

If anyone thinks there is any one politician in the western Democratic world that will buck the popular demand for more and more freebies...he's delusional. Even non democratic politicians (eg China) is learning the tricks of populism....look at the money and bubble creation effort of China.

Sorry guys, look after yourself and your tax shelters....

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. "
Alexander Tytler

cooo... empty over here, Has

cooo... empty over here,

Has the budget been announced?

Politicians do not have to be liked to get the job done in the end.

There really are no quick fixes.

The opposition was weak, the

The opposition was weak, the TWG had created a great pitch, the crowd was willing him on, Key was in the 22 with a three man overlap and ...
... he dropped the f?#@*&g ball!

Like your quote Kin. Very

Like your quote Kin. Very appropriate.

to continue with the sporting

to continue with the sporting quotes, remember in the '99 Cricket World Cup when Herschelle Gibbs dropped Steve Waugh on 50 something, and Merv Hughes said "˜You've just dropped the World Cup son".

No, Mark. Key only convinced

No, Mark. Key only convinced the coaching staff to put him on the field so he could be seen as part of the game. He never really wanted anyone to pass the ball to him inside the 22, in case he dropped it. There's no way he wanted to be blamed if they lost the game. But if they won; he was always going to give a wave and a smile, and line up for the winners medal.

Bernard Re. your comments on

Bernard
Re. your comments on the Breakfast Show, stating that grandparents would be contacting their grandchildren via facebook. I don't think this will be case.
Superannuants are dependent on the productive younger generations to provide for them through taxes. Grandchidren in Australia are paying Australian taxes to support Australian superannuants, not NZ.
Therefore, the grandparents will not be able to afford budget petfood, let along facebook.
And their house prices will be substantially lower as their will be no-one in the productive sector in NZ to buy the houses.

Good point, From the sidelines.

Good point, From the sidelines. I'd better start getting a penchant for Pam's "Biffo".

*8 Glenn Stevens the Australian

*8 Glenn Stevens the Australian Central Banker has hit the nail on the head too low interest rates cause to much credit grow which cause speculative asset bubbles.
All this debate about property taxes, bonuses, banking regulation etc are all about trying to deal with the symptoms of speculative behavior the aftermath of economies being awash with excess cheap credit. It's not rocket science. The man is absolutely right. There maybe hope yet

Bernard You are clearly frustrated

Bernard
You are clearly frustrated about NZ'ers and our politicians being either too stupid or selfish to make the necessary changes for NZ's future.
The young, skilled, productive sector who do not speculate in housing and instead bear the burden of NZ taxation and are treated as being the lowest-of-low "rich pricks" are clearly a minority and do not have political power.
However, the reality is that given that this 10% pay 73% of NZ income tax (after the transfer payments are factored in), they hold immense power, if they act collectively. They can bring the country to its knees and force for changes.
As a journalist, you need to use the power of the internet and media to organise a "Tea Party" as they are doing in the US. Collect these people together and tell the Govy that unless they make the required changes this budget, the group will move in Australia en-mass. Calculate the amount of tax (both direct and indirect) the NZ beuacrates and beneficiaries would lose if this group went to Australia. Ensure this story is published internationally under the headline "Young skilled NZ'ers and the NZ tax-base flee NZ en-mass to escape being pillaged and to ensure their children have a future". This will resonate around the world. Immigration will drop, house prices will plummet, and given the gitters around sovereign debt, our financiers will take flight. Given that the Govt is currently borrowing $250m per week to stay afloat, it will be in deep trouble.
Only them will the stupid and selfish nz's get it into their heads that changes need to made.

It will be a "South

It will be a "South Afican-esque" type of evolution, From the sideleines, as successive waves of emmigrants depart their country, leaving behind the progessively poorer and discontent. Ulitmately change occurs, but those that have gone will have re-established themselves elswhere, and will be increasingly difficult to attract back; and as you allude to- the rich have, and will, go early.

Jimmy the one - "economist,

Jimmy the one - "economist, media and general sentiment?

Well, the media controls the sentiment. If it is controlled by those who were taught that the world is flat (economists) then they will speak of nothing but a flat world.

A flat planet is the only geometric shape which achieves unlimited physical resources, as long as it is of infinite size.

It's getting to a point I call criminal - ignorance being no excuse.

We (as a species) have been in 'overshoot' since 1980, and nobody is being told it. That's the media doing no better than Goebbels.

Wealth is underwritten by those resources, and all physical assets represent embedded, use-it-once energy.

Come on you lot - the debate is: what can Key &Co do to give our kids - and theirs - a chance at better than scrabbling for survival, as seen in Haiti, Rwanda etc. Carry on down this track, and it's a matter of less than a generation.

Answer that, and tax accordingly.

What we have, is a voting populace who believe in unfettered consumption-based growth, and that is clearly impossible.

That populace was conditioned by the media - and believe me, they don't investigate, refure or evaluate, they're a blank wall.

Where's Drew Pearson when you need him? Hell, I'd even settle for a Hersh.

BH it's time to hit

BH
it's time to hit the " refresh" button on that chant about Facebook and grandparents etc...it's becoming predictable and repititous...lot's more grist around beyond going over the same litany?!

PDK "unfettered consumption-based growth". Understand

PDK

"unfettered consumption-based growth".
Understand all your points, but see no evidence of growth!
Price inflation maybe - but no growth...

GST increase gets my vote

GST increase gets my vote - it is a difficult tax to avoid, it is consistent across the board, it is not something completely new so implementation costs should be less than other options.

Last thing we want is a new tax that applies to some and not others, which will be avoided by the cunning.

"Superannuants are dependent on the

"Superannuants are dependent on the productive younger generations to provide for them through taxes."

Sadly not true, NZ governments are quite willing to replace their young people with foreigners to pay tax and buy overpriced houses in their place. Most of these come from the developing world so are quite happy to take their place.

When asked on Morning Report

When asked on Morning Report this morning about why the govt has given up on a land tax, John Key tellingly replied along the lines that it would risk a drop in property values and homeowners losing their equity and getting wiped out.

Now then, who else would lose out in that scenario? You guessed it - his friends in the banking system of course! They must be terrified about being caught out after having spent the last ten years inflating the property bubble through irresponsible mortagage rate wars.

I wonder who has been screaming loudest in JK's ear? Is it the court of public opinion -or could it be the banks who have little to say in public, but probably a hell of a lot to say on their direct dial-ups to the Beehive?

johns lost my vote, maybe

johns lost my vote, maybe i had thought to highly of him,

Today has given me time

Today has given me time to reflect, and strangely it's actually not all bad. He could be exceptionally clever.

Maybe it works like this. Things aren't actually so tough here and certainly not tough enough for everyone to feel ready for the changes that are required to get a really wide political buy-in for big change. Getting the Reserve Bank Governor and economists thinking that we're stuffed and need change isn't anywhere near enough political buy in to also get elected next time.

So what you do is leave it to get worse. People leave. No new immigrants come. GDP falls lower. The gap between us and Aus widens even more. The dollar drops. Then exporters start to become effective. I'm an exporter. How long do you think I have to wait. One year - two maybe?

Choosing to do nothing may not be a bad plan after all!

Re JK and his motivations,

Re JK and his motivations, just remember people get the government they deserve. If folks couldn't work out that they were voting for a Shylock then more fool them.

As for the histrionic concern that young Kiwi's are all going to desert NZ, I think folks need to get out and see the world a bit more. I live abroad and travel the world and can tell you that the grass is no greener anywhere else. In case you've not noticed, the whole damn world is busy going to hell in a handbasket, and NZ actually has an awful lot going for it despite being saddled with useless, self-serving socialist governments etc.

People come, people go. Get over it and get on with it! if you want change, then make change. Get Gareth Morgan to set up the big Kahuna party with a commitment to only exist for no more than three parliamentary terms.

Which is why I gave

Which is why I gave my 2008 vote to a guy who now swans around with a stunning blonde half his age .............. I am so proud of the dude !

Those who couldn't suss out how wussy weak John Key was , weren't awake in 2008 . He said " me too " to any nonsense that Clark & Cullen dreamed up .

In the immortal words of SORE-LOSER : WAKEY WAKEY , SHEEPLES !

YoungTel -- you have probably

YoungTel -- you have probably got it right. The banks have been doing everything to get property prices ( residential and rural ) at least stable. If you have lent out at 100% or even 90% of "valuation" they cannnot afford any drops. Having a few individuals wiped out wouldn't worry any politician ( look what happened with the finance compaies --no real worries there) but oh no cannot have the banks making big loses.

Quotation - Tytler Cycle The

Quotation - Tytler Cycle

The following unverified quotation has been attributed to Tytler, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election[1]:

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

* From bondage to spiritual faith;
* From spiritual faith to great courage;
* From courage to liberty;
* From liberty to abundance;
* From abundance to complacency;
* From complacency to apathy;
* From apathy to dependence;
* From dependence back into bondage.

This passage actually comprises two quotations, which didn't begin to appear together until the 1970s.[2] The list beginning "From bondage to spiritual faith" is commonly known as the "Tytler Cycle" or the "Fatal Sequence". Its first known appearance is in a 1943 speech "Industrial Management in a Republic"[3] by H. W. Prentis, president of the Armstrong Cork Company and former president of the National Association of Manufacturers. The quote appears to be original to Prentis. No original author can reliably be determined for the first paragraph.

Kate, remember why families, even

Kate, remember why families, even the hard working ones, needed to be turned into beneficiaries to begin with, because they were hampsters on the debt based monetary wheel, thats why, no matter how hard they worked they were loading sixteen tonnes and getting only deeper in debt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen_Tons

Key is only here to use his nice smile, so as not to scare the sheoples, until we are sufficiently in debt repayment crisis to once again have to sell what is left of our necesities of life in public hands to his private sector banking buddies. He knows that after the "ram it through before they have time to blink" game plan of his banker co-operative commerades Roger Douglas, Ruth Richardson, Jenny Shipley that if they attempt that again the spooked sheoples might turn around and rush back passed them, so he is trying the old mile wide entrance, ever reducing race trick, herding the sheoples in from a distance with a nice smile on his dial, until they are sufficiently far enough up the high fenced race, they will rush us into the pen with teeth exposed.

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