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NZ budget deficit 59% worse than forecast after 4 months; RBNZ losses flagged (Update 1)
The government's deficit before gains and losses on investments was NZ$1.22 billion or 59% worse than forecast in the first four months of the financial year, largely because taxes from company profits were almost 40% lower than forecast. (Update 1 includes Bill English statement.) The operating deficit (which includes gains and losses on investments) at the end of October was slightly better than forecast in the 2009 Budget in May, accounts released by Treasury show. Higher than expected investment returns from the NZ Super Fund and the ACC Fund over the first four months of the government's financial year were almost fully offset by lower than expected tax revenue, investment losses by the Reserve Bank and an actuarial loss on the ACC claims liability, Treasury said. The Crown operating deficit (which includes gains and losses on investments) was NZ$1.267 billion at the end of October, compared to a forecast deficit of NZ$1.316 billion. Tax revenue of NZ$15.4 billion over the four months was 9.4% lower than forecast, while cash receipts of NZ$15.9 billion were 1.5% below forecast. A large proportion of the "variance" in revenue from forecasts was due to lower than expected business profitability for the 2009 tax year, Treasury said. The operating deficit before gains and losses (OBEGAL) was NZ$3.27 billion, which works out at NZ$182 million a week. This was 59% worse than a forecast NZ$2.05 billion forecast in May.
"Corporate tax revenue was NZ$1,044m (39.7%) lower than forecast. The majority of this variance relates to lower-than"expected net terminal tax and suggests that businesses had overstated their provisional tax liability during the 2008/09 tax year at a time when profitability was declining sharply," Treasury said. "Recent 2008/09 financial year results for publicly"listed companies indicate that weakness in corporate profitability has occurred across a broad range of sectors, and is consistent with the sharp economic contraction that occurred over this period," it said. "Indications suggest that lower 2009 profitability will flow through to lower"than"expected 2010 tax revenue than was forecast at Budget 2009. Excluding a large payment made into tax pools that boosted corporate tax receipts in July, underlying tax receipts were also tracking below forecast," Treasury said. The NZ Super Fund had an operating surplus of NZ$1.25 billion for the four months, which was 268% above its Budget forecast. Meanwhile, the Reserve Bank of New Zealand made net investment losses of NZ$265 million during the four months to October, "primarily relating to foreign exchange rate movements on financial instruments," Treasury said. It did not give further detail. Net government debt was estimated at 11.9% of GDP at the end of October, in line with the Budget forecast. Finance Minister Bill English released this statement on the government's accounts:
The fiscal challenges facing the Government as the economy comes out of recession are again highlighted in the Crown's financial statements for the four months to 31 October, Finance Minister Bill English says. A feature of the latest data is the impact of lower-than-expected business profits on tax revenue - particularly indications that lower company profits in 2009 will flow through to reduced 2010 tax revenue. "This lower tax revenue was the main contributor to the operating balance before gains and losses (OBEGAL) being in deficit by $3.2 billion in the four months to 31 October - $1.2 billion larger than forecast," Mr English says. "It's clear that the impact of the recession will be felt by many businesses and, in turn, on the Government's books for some time. This will influence our decisions around both revenue and spending. "It means there will be little or no new money for government departments and ministries for the foreseeable future - and certainly not at the unsustainable rate of increase provided by the previous government. Mr English says this challenging environment reinforces the real value of the significant economic programme the Government already has in place. "Without this balanced programme, there is no doubt that New Zealand would have emerged from the recession in much worse shape than it has, at the cost of thousands more jobs and even more debt." The Budget Policy Statement and Half-Year Economic and Fiscal Update on 15 December will set out the Government's economic framework and update forecasts for 2010 and beyond. "They will help shape our decisions for Budget 2010, as we focus on getting a better performing economy that supports more jobs and higher incomes."
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<b>Taxes from company profits were
Taxes from company profits were almost 40 % lower than forecast ! Ouch ! Green shoots , anyone . Bill ? John ?
<i> "The Reserve Bank of
"The Reserve Bank of New Zealand made net investment losses of NZ$265 million during the four months to October, "primarily relating to foreign exchange rate movements on financial instruments," "
They're shorting the NZ dollar again. Good boys - but do you think you could do it with a bit mroe conviction though please? We'd like to see a profit of at least $50bn after the next currency crash so don't muck around with a few 100,000. You need to get stuck in whilst we're above 70USc....
It's OK, RT, that land-tax
It's OK, RT, that land-tax just goes up to 10%, no threshold, paid provisionally a decade ahead. Easy-Peasy.
Heh Heh , good one
Heh Heh , good one . Bernard's 30 % correction will occur lickety-split !
So are they saying that
So are they saying that an actual real cash shortfall (due to less tax than forecast) has been made up for by paper gains from investments? Great, everything must be fine then.
Chris B, Yes I hope
Chris B,
Yes I hope they have taken my advice and are quietly selling a few hundred million NZ$ a day building up a large reserve of $ for the eventual repayment of overseas debts.
IMF here we come -
IMF here we come - all going to plan - incremental changes won't save us and it seems certain that our dear leaders have intended it that way.
Here's Stephen Hulme's latest take on it;
Alert: 26/11/09 - Not one month after reserve bank governor, Dr Bollard reiterated his stance that he expects to keep the OCR at the current level until the second half of 2010, the taxpayers are paying more than the cost of his exorbitant salary. Read OCR statement here.
The New Zealand Dollar has collapsed against the price of gold. View graphic details here.
If gold is recognised as an index of general commodity prices, and it is, we, the citizens, are not only experiencing our savings returns transferred for the benefit of the banks and their indebted property speculator clients, we are also about to endure a massive increase in imported costs.
Monetary policy that dictates a move to high risk assets and high import costs hardly builds a base for sound economic development.
It's time the Reserve Bank steered the economy on to a sound footing rather than defending a legacy of failed incumbent players.
http://www.omo.co.nz/
@raf - my view too
@raf - my view too - even better if they're holding a lot of it in Gold. I reckon we can afford to go a bit harder than a few hundred million though. In these days of quantitive easing its not like anybody else is abiding by rules of sound money at the moment. In fact you could argue that by not doing so the RBNZ is placing us at risk of both sovereign default and deflation. Really they have no option - lets quantitively ease into gold at at least NZ$1bn a day....
40% lower than forecast corporate
40% lower than forecast corporate tax revenues. I guess that means businesses are really struggling, and their financiers will book big losses on those that have gone to the wall. South Canterbury Finance has a lot of business and propery loans exposed to this.
40 % , Thats exactly
40 % , Thats exactly what the drop in my companies net profit was last financial year. No Prov tax to pay until May 2010 , and got a refund for overpaid provisional tax to IRD yesterday.
@DH: Yes I think the
@DH: Yes I think the Govn looked at the amounts companies expected to pay and "thought this isnt so bad". However the few small business ppl Ive talked to said they expected to book huge changes.....ie loss in revenue/income...Think also that the IRD penalises them if they under-estimate? so it pays to be a bit OTT...and that change is time delayed...so estimating off it in the early stages of the "Greater Depression" has led them astray.
regards
Can anyone advise why is
Can anyone advise why is this tax revenue dropping when main industries like dairy products and housing market are doing so well (with higher milk powder auction prices recently and rising house prices reported now and then)?
(Alex - why is this report not listed in your main column? It's rather difficult to locate it).
Hi Trudy, If you check
Hi Trudy,
If you check the Recent Posts column on the right hand side you will see the latest posts. We've published quite a bit today so on the blog, you'd have to click the 'older entries' button
Also, you can click on the 'news' tab at the top.
Cheers
Alex
Can't the Reserve bank sell
Can't the Reserve bank sell lots of NZD now and then introduce quantitative easing in six months time and buy them back???? Naughty or what?
Governments can probably get away with it and it would put a dent in the currency speculators if they knew the game was rigged.....
Can anyone advise why is
Can anyone advise why is the taxes from company profits almost 40% lower than forecast when there are so many good news recently about businesses picking up and housing market booming again? I thought main industries like dairy products and housing market are doing so well (with higher milk powder auction prices recently and rising house prices reported now and then)?
Trudy, I feel there has
Trudy, I feel there has been a signifciant amount of wishful thinking being reported in the media (part of the propaganda used to ignite the economy when it has fallen over)
The dairy industry may feel some relief with current payout levels however increased operating costs on farm and financing recent short falls will be effecting bottom line taxable profit. Also after tax income in some cases will potentially be channelled into Fonterra capital raising.
To suggest the housing market is booming is a again wishful thinking. Certainly main centre averages have risen but volumes haven't returned to pre 2008 levels. Provincial areas are having mixed results and beach side propertys out side main centres are showing 20 ish% declines. Also the sale of housing isn't a generator of tax revenue, (basically tax free with a few exceptions) excluding real estate fees of course.
Something else to consider is that profit generated now has a lag period before it turns up as tax revenue, end of financial years and that sort of stuff.
That's my spin on things , I hope it's helpful.
Excuse the spelling and grammar
Excuse the spelling and grammar towards the end, wasn't able to edit. That will teach me to submit and than edit.
Brian Gaynor write a good
Brian Gaynor write a good piece in the herald today
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/best-of-business-analysis/news/article.cfm?c_i...
Thanks 28_yr old, that is
Thanks 28_yr old, that is a very good article.
28_yr_old This is a great
28_yr_old
This is a great article especially on page 3. It's very enlightening.
Alex
Could you consider having it in your main column so that more could read and comment? Thanks.
Trudy - Here’s another reason
Trudy - Here's another reason why we can't rely on the private sector to sustain the national growth needed.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=1061...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612226
Excellent article by Brian Gaynor
Excellent article by Brian Gaynor . Is he on a TaskForce or TWG ? Doubt it , pity . Us older farts can remember that Norman Kirk's Labour government (1973-75) introduced a compulsory savings pension scheme . But the Nats. scuppered it in 1975 . Various estimates are that had the scheme remained intact 'til this day , in excess of $NZ 300 billion would be accrued . Boggles the mind as to our economy and standard of living , under such a scenario .
In 1992 Paul Keating introduced the compulsory superannuation scheme , of which Brian Gaynor references . NZ had a National government at the time . Jim Bolger PM , Ruth Richardson as finance minister . And in response to Australia's bold initiatives , the Kiwi counterparts did nothing . Nadda . No interest in that weird savings malarky at all .
After taking power in 2008 , Jelly Key's National government watered down the KiwiSaver scheme that Labour had introduced .
Can someone join the dots between these three threads , and conclude where our problem lies ?
Oh yeah , lest I
Oh yeah , lest I forget to mention it . Paul Keating didn't faff around with TaskForces , committees and the like . He didn't seek a political mandate for introducing the compulsory super . The fellow rolled up his sleeves , so to speak , and just did it . Big kahuna got cojones ! ..............Meanwhile , over in Kiwi-Land , anything vaguely sensible from any one of our little committees / forces / quangos ?
A very good commentry by
A very good commentry by Brian that gives a context to understand the background and complexity of NZ economics . I voted for Nats ,however the more I reflect on the history of Nats,the more I am convinced that there is not much choice for kiwis and both parties have proved to be only interested in petty politics and to maintain the status quo .
nomad, So, do we have
nomad,
So, do we have any choice left? sad indeed.
Trudy If you have useful
Trudy
If you have useful skills there are still plenty of choices, but not too many in NZ.
When things really do pickup again, sell up and get out to Aussie while we still can
What does the government expect
What does the government expect when they make it so difficult to run a business, and don't tax property at all?
Little , land-locked Slovakia ,
Little , land-locked Slovakia , one fifth the area of New Zealand , now boasts a GDP greater than ours . Similar population in each country . But they are 20 % of our land size , and less than 2 decades into their independence from the Czech Republic . ........................... Fecking heck , we are patheitic !!!!!!!!
Don't you think our dollar
Don't you think our dollar is over valued ! Isn't it time to devalue by 25% ouch!!!!.Geeks.....comment on something practicle.....that should solve part of the crisis.
saathi, You wrote - "Don’t
saathi,
You wrote - "Don't you think our dollar is over valued ! Isn't it time to devalue by 25%"
Good point but how to devalue by 25% if overseas borrowing is mounting?
Do you have a solution to convince the policy maker(s) to implement it?
<b>saathi / Trudy</b> : Deliberately
saathi / Trudy : Deliberately devaluing one's currency , is morally repugnent , and the cowardly way out of a problem . Which is why the USA and England are charging at it like a bull at a gate . The solutions to our malaise lie else-where . Good fiscal policy / Strong capital markets / Innovation / Hard-work / etc . ........... . And just by the by , where did the 25 % figure spring from ? Is that an economically researched number , or was it just plucked at random from the ether , as the cure-all to our ills ?
Roger, Your ideas are there
Roger,
Your ideas are there but would it be implemented and work in NZ? Nothing new, I give it a miss.
I am also keen to know how saathi got the 25% information.
To make look the deficit
To make look the deficit better, why not export 22 tonnes of "Climate Change", 25 corrupt politicians/ lawyers, W's & H's, the "Big City" and the polluted Waikato River and a few others ?
I'm getting confussed++/what is fisical
I'm getting confussed++/what is fisical policy/Are we dwelling on inflated housing market/ depending on rich migrants/ What are the recent innovation or depend on borrowed technology/ Hard work,how's the job market/ Solution----hire work permit holders = minimum wages/ We are suffering ! Solution plse --realistic
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<b>Trudy / saathi</b> : The
Trudy / saathi : The ideas to put NZ onto a more balanced growth path are not original , nor radical , not even complicated . Our host , Bernard , has written many excellent posts on this subject , as has others such as Brian Gaynor / Gareth Morgan / Martin Hawes . The problem lies in government . Neither National nor Labour has addressed the issues facing us , for 2 decades now . They fiddle / faddle at the periphery , or lump upon us some vote-catching bribe . Both WFF and interest-free loans pushed Labour over the line in 2005 . Poor policy works . Stupid voters can't see it for the rubbish that it is . We need good governance to re-balance the taxation system , to encourage production , to encourage investment in business and innovation , research , and to strengthen our capital markets . Some hard work is required ...............Is that too much to ask for ?
If we continue to piss arse around , our youngsters to flee in droves , for the greater opportunities and rewards in Australia .
GARETH MORGAN FOR PM!! GO
GARETH MORGAN FOR PM!! GO YOU BIG KAHUNA!!
Five surgeons are discussing who
Five surgeons are discussing who were the best patients to operate on.
The first surgeon says, 'I like to see Accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.'
The second responds, 'Yeah, but you should try Electricians! Everything inside them is colour-coded.'
The third surgeon says, 'No, I really think Librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order.'
The fourth surgeon chimes in, 'You know I like Construction Workers. Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would.'
But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed, 'You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine, and there are only two moving parts - the mouth and the arsehole - and they are interchangeable'
We need a laugh....and this is so APT.
Thanks------SORE-LOSER That answers ALL Cheers!
Thanks------SORE-LOSER
That answers ALL
Cheers!
Bernard. Could you please get
Bernard.
Could you please get Matt McCarten to give us his 35 point plan for NZ in the next 15 years. Lets not miss out on his brilliant ideas to get us near parity with Australian lifestyle and economic performance.
All interesting stuff from Brayn
All interesting stuff from Brayn Gaynor and Deborah Coddington, and certainly part of the story, but I think the real problem is that NZ is a particular economy with particular needs that no current authority on economics will give us the answer to. To fix where we are we really need some creative leadership. The problem isn't very complicated although the fix will require courage.
For example we export, as a % of GDP, far more than Aus, UK, USA etc. which sounds great doesn't it. However this means that other parts of the GDP picture will be different and thus less relevant when discussing how to fix your economy using standard processes. Standard texts can't allow for all this.
The problem is that we need to export even more and the exports need to be of higher value added than the ones we have, because we are an isolated small population. To put that right we need to change a few simple things and the rest will then just come right. You see it was right (for example) when we were exporting lots of wool at higher value than it is today. Just everyone turn their attention to that simple problem. What do we have to do to export more at higher value added. If we're not sure why don't we ask the people that know about that, like the MEA?
Of course in the meantime we have to correct a few things like excessive government spending etc - but that's just housekeeping. It's like cutting your costs to survive while looking for new markets. The end game is grow more sales.
By the way commenting on Coddington's piece, I think being an economist would be a great job. I can think of nothing more fascinating than contemplating, balancing and interrogatuing various data in an effort to think through the multi faceted problems in a society. Poor old Deborah she's typical of the problem Chaplin talks about and she can't see that's she's part of the problem - not the solution.