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Opinion: Why economists can't solve the folic acid debate
By Infometrics economist Chris Worthington
I admit to only vaguely following the recent furore over the decision to supplement bread with folic acid. The underlying principle behind such decisions seems straight-forward. But economics can only take us so far when we start to examine the moral dimension.
The benefits to folic acid supplementation arise from fewer cases of spina bifida. The costs are the costs of changing bread-making procedures, and a possible enhanced risk of prostate cancer. If the benefits exceed the costs, there is a strong argument for proceeding with supplementation.
Not being a medical specialist myself, I am (like most people) in a poor position to judge whether the estimates of costs and benefits are robust. But let's assume that it is true that adding folic acid to bread will lead to more prostate cancers.
The heated debate over this issue implies that there is more at stake than just the precision of the estimated values. Clearly a cursory cost-benefit analysis is ignoring some important dimension of this question.
The most obvious complaint is that the "winners" from this decision are not the same group as the "losers". Now this is true of almost all real-world policy decisions. And compensation of the losers is not always possible or feasible "“ redistribution via the welfare system being the obvious example. In these situations, we must base our decisions on some sort of utilitarian calculus, whereby we try and maximise total welfare over the whole population.
Since we can't directly quantify human well-being, we are forced to make a number of value judgements. We normally assume that an extra dollar is worth more in terms of quality of life for a poor person than a rich person; we may also value improvements in health for children higher as opposed to adults.
The distribution of gains and losses brings a complicated philosophical dimension to our cost-benefit analysis. Further, I'd argue that when the distribution relates to physical health, as opposed to simply income, these questions become even thornier. Is it right to force the exchange in health status between the potential victims of spina bifida case and prostate cancer, even when the cost-benefit analysis supports the transfer?
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There is no right answer to this question. In fact, laboratory experiments tend to suggest that these decisions are highly context-critical.
One famous example is the trolley problem: an out-of-control trolley car is running down a track that has five people tied to it; but there is a switch you may pull that will divert it on to a second track which only has one person tied to it.
Faced with this situation, most people can rationalise pulling the switch: killing one to save five.
But what about this alternative scenario: the train car is heading towards five people, but this time there is no switch. Instead, there is a fat man nearby; throwing him in front of the trolley would derail it, again saving the original five through the sacrifice of one.
This version of the problem produces far fewer people willing to kill one person to save five. Although the calculus remains the same, it is much harder to condone the deliberate homicide of an innocent bystander.
Analysis of these problems raises a host of questions about how we make moral judgements; the relevant one for our topic is what precisely drives the differing responses? Common answers are the intent of the decision-maker, or their control (or lack thereof) over the situation.
Returning to bread supplementation, we are still none the wiser as to whether we can justify swapping a certain number of spina bifida cases for prostate cancer cases. Should we view this as an either/or situation (throwing the folic-acid switch in the bread-making machine), or is this an active intervention (throwing some men, prostates and all, on to the track)?
If the bread example seems too uncommon to warrant much thought, an earlier academic paper suggested a broader application. High-income groups in New Zealand have a lower mortality risk than low-income groups, although there are diminishing marginal returns to extra income. If the relationship is causal, redistributing money from rich to poor would also redistribute some of that mortality risk, producing a longer-lived society (on average).
Of course, the direct result of that policy intervention would be that some high-income people would die earlier than they would otherwise do so.
So, are such welfare interventions more or less palatable when phrased in terms of life and death as opposed to dollar signs?
The trolley car results offer a prediction for how one would answer that question. If one views the current income distribution as arising from the "natural" state of society, one might regard active intervention into health outcomes as immoral. If instead, one regards the income distribution as simply being a consequence of a broader nexus of policy, the trade-off in health outcomes may be perfectly acceptable.
Economists have created a number of clever ways for assigning values to costs and benefits, even on tricky questions relating to the value of life. But unravelling the moral dimensions of such decisions remains elusive.
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* Infometrics is an economic information and forecasting company based in Wellington. To find out more, see its website here. This piece first appeared in the Dominion Post on August 29, 2009.
There is strong evidence that
There is strong evidence that folic acid supplementation reduces the incidence of Spina Bifida, however treating the whole population is extreme, why not make folic acid supplements free to women who wish to take them and educate women as to the benefits.
The obvious solution is for
The obvious solution is for the government to directly enter the baking industry . To set up a bakery in every suburb through-out the land , selling cheap ( subsidised ) bread , chock full of folic acid . As we already have a peoples' airline/ a peoples' rail-way/ a peoples' bank and bookshop/ etc. I don't feel that " Kiwi Crusts " , the peoples' pie and bread shop is a step too far.........The trouble with you economists , Chris , is that you over-look the largesse and unlimited funding of the state !
<i>But unravelling the moral dimensions
But unravelling the moral dimensions of such decisions remains elusive.
No, it's the easiest thing in the world. This is the most simple of philosophic questions, answered by looking at the role States have played in killing and enslaving their populations over the 20th and 21st centuries.
Does a government, in a free society, have any role in telling bakers what they 'have' to put into their bread?
Of course not. No more than they have a right telling me how many beers I drink tonight after reading the next lot of nonsense out of Infometrics. I thought that firm was NZ's only real bastion of laissez faire and something akin to the Austrian School of economics, and I thought that due to listening to Gareth Morgan in the news over the years. I thought there was a basic freedom philosophy behind that firm.
It appears I could not have been more wrong.
If I want folic acid, I'll take a bloody supplement which I can buy at any chemist. Freedom of choice. The paternalistic, just straight silly economic mumbo jumbo in this article is indicative of so much that is wrong, and why our Welfare State is so out of control, in New Zealand.
/rant off.
I know my comments come at a slight 'angle' to what you have said, Chris, but really ...
Hang on Mark, I seem
Hang on Mark, I seem to remember the laws on what had to be in the bread go back like two thousand years plus. If you have no govt control over the bread, expect to be eating sawdust loaves.
Exactly, Wally! Hence the 'bakers
Exactly, Wally! Hence the 'bakers dozen' rule, dating back centuries..
"To guard against the punishment of losing a hand to an axe, a baker would give 13 for the price of 12, to be certain of not being known as a cheat."
I know, Mark....the State at it even back then......
I actually don't think this
I actually don't think this debate has anything to do with health and wellbeing.
I believe it is more about people wanting to make their own choices.
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So, Wally and Harriet, once
So, Wally and Harriet, once you've purchased your first loaf of sawdust from Baker Idiot, are you going back to his bakery?
The free market sorts this out pretty quick.
And if you are asking, what if bakers put poison in bread then a) why would they, and b) they are initiating the ultimate force, thus, rightly, would be on criminal charges and off to jail.
How does any of that justify a government telling a baker they must put a supplement in bread? You give them the moral right to do that, then you've given them the end of a leash, and your neck is at the other end of it.
... and Sam has it
... and Sam has it right in one.
Of course the thieving sod
Of course the thieving sod made the 13 10% smaller and isn't that just the sort of thing going on in the supermarket today, as I have been able to confirm. I used to buy scones until they shrank in size for the same price. Mark, you would never notice a little sawdust and it bulks up the loaf just so. Puts a gloss on the crust.
So you accept slavery for
So you accept slavery for a scone?
What's to stop you baking your own?
Because I would scoff the
Because I would scoff the lot Mark. Handing over money is my only control.
> "If you have no
> "If you have no govt control over the bread, expect to be eating sawdust loaves."
Perhaps one or two, but I don't believe that would be the case in the longer term. The market would soon determine who are the good bakers, and who are the bad bakers - then that would be the end of the bad bakers.
Of course there has the be some rules and accountability if the bread produced would endanger the health of someone.
However, even then I think the importance of rules and regulations are becoming less and less, today society has the means to judge a businesses pretty harshly and pretty quickly by the way of the internet. One poor decision could destroy a business over night - quicker than any legal system.
Not bread but..... Cadbury had
Not bread but.....
Cadbury had to backpedal over the palm oil in the chocolate pretty quickly, didn't they?
Sawdust bakers take note!
A perfect point in case,
A perfect point in case, Gail, of how the market sorts these issues out.
Mark; You appear to be
Mark; You appear to be that rare breed of being that believes the mark (pun?!) of a Man is how he behaves when no one else is watching.
A rare thing these days.
Humans need folic acid. Bread
Humans need folic acid. Bread made from unrefined wheat has folic acid in it. Modern humans refined it out. Humans have not changed significantly in the last 200 years and still need folic acid.
Put back the folic acid into the wheat flour at a level that we need and leave it at that.
All humans need folic acid, the old, the young, the pregant and the middle aged.
C'mon guys : Just secured
C'mon guys : Just secured myself a " Kiwi Crusts " franchise from the Gumnut . Stop flapping yer gums , and start masticating on my hot stuff . Mark , you need extra folate , try my " Kiwi Hi Fibre Folic Enriched Low Fat Gluten-free Loaf ". Philly , where are ya , gal , getcha hands on my steamy hot buns...........Hey , you preggies , queue up would'ya , what makes you think you get preferential treatment in the Gumnut subsidised bakery.................ooooooooooh , the folic acid thingamy , pardon me for forgetting our raison d'etre ! Baguettes anyone ?
There is some evidence that
There is some evidence that OC ( oral contraceptives) effect the absorption of folic acid. see http://tiny.cc/hTvct
Perhaps the pill has created a deficiency?
There are trials in the States with OC which will contain a supplement of folic acid.
http://tiny.cc/sXinU
Governments do things for the "best of reasons" but there are usually unintended consequences. The OC is optional after all and the supplementation can be discussed at the time the prescription is given, the person making an informed decision.
This is about health and wellbeing- each person making informed decisions for themselves about what they feel would be best.
The income redistribution article: I'm
The income redistribution article: I'm guessing that's the Blakely and Wilson one from a few years back, right? I discussed it here: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2006/07/physician_consu.html
Huge problems with that paper. First, they note the existence of deadweight costs of taxation then assume them to be zero. Second, if there's some underlying variable that causes both income and health, then their results are also overstated (good evidence that IQ causes both). Finally, if reducing "mortality inequalities" is so damned important, then why aren't we forcing healthy people to give kidneys to unhealthy people? How is that any less legitimate than forcing rich people to give tons of money to poor people with the goal of reducing mortality inequality?