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This from BNZ Chief Economist Tony Alexander in the BNZ's Weekly Overview, saying that the NZ$/US$ is looking increasingly likely to trade well down in the 40-50 cent range, it's just that we don't know when:

Another emailer noted they have funds in USDs and wonder when would be the best time to change them into NZDs. We made two key points. The first was that with nominal interest rates in NZ having capacity to fall further than rates offshore the interest rate advantage for the NZD is going to diminish. In addition as declining world growth, falling commodity prices, and reducing availability of trade finance hit world trade we will suffer due to our high dependence upon foreign trade.

That means the NZD is highly likely to fall further from current levels. But the second point we made was that in the current environment it is impossible to take a reasonable stab at the timing of the NZD's cyclical low against the USD and what that low will be. It is looking increasingly likely we trade well down in the 40-50 cent range. But when is anyone's guess.

Your views? Will the NZ$ go that low and if so when will it do so?

We welcome your help to improve our coverage of this issue. Any examples or experiences to relate? Any links to other news, data or research to shed more light on this? Any insight or views on what might happen next or what should happen next? Any errors to correct?

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Alexander is almost never right

Alexander is almost never right with predictions, in fact he's usually wrong! He's still saying property will drop 5-10% from its peak, its already dropped 7% and even conservative forecasters like the Reserve Bank are saying at least 15%.
Personally I pay much more note of Westpac's economists like Brendon O'Donovan.

Matt - I entirely agree

Matt - I entirely agree with you. I have found Alexander's forecasts to be unreliable.

If the RBNZ cuts the

If the RBNZ cuts the OCR 150bps on 4 December 2008 you can be assured the NZD/USD pair will visit a number below 0.5000.

The problem is costs of increasingly scare imported goods, due to a shipping crisis and world factory closures, will sky rocket over time.

The collapse to date has already seen the purchasing power of the NZD fall considerably against gold, a commodity bench mark.

I have taken the trouble to chart our demise to date here ( bottom graph): http://www.omo.co.nz/

I've criticised Tony Alexander on

I've criticised Tony Alexander on this site before but I have to agree with him on this one. Some of the main factors that will drive the NZD down further:

- coming currency crises in Balkans/Russia/Latin America & flight from risk assets such as NZD
- ongoing falls in commodity prices
- safe haven status of USD
- long term bullish trend in USD/EUR

Dosser Can you explain the

Dosser

Can you explain the "safe haven status of USD" and "long term bullish trend in USD/EUR", I think the US economy is at far greater risk of major collapse than europe, the UE has dealt with being intermittently ravaged for centuries, the US has conniptions if a couple of buildings get felled.

Neven

Dosser - With the trillions

Dosser - With the trillions of US dollars currently being thrown at the US economy by both the Treasury and Fed I am surprised by your "safe haven status of USD" comment. Currently the US dollar is showing short term strength but longer term it must get into big trouble because of the sheer volume of US dollars that are being printed.

Neven911 & Andy Rodgers, The

Neven911 & Andy Rodgers,

The US has traditionally had a safe haven status in times of economic weakness - even when the US economy has been in the dog box too. My thinking is that the dominant trend for a while to come will be the repatriation of funds to carry trade funding currencies (including USD) and that Bernanke's expansion of the US monetary base will not keep up with the elimination, via deleveraging, of dollars originally created out of thin air by banks.

As Marc Chandler of Brown Brothers Harriman (who has been right for a while now) puts it:

"From another angle, perhaps the reason there has not been a major currency crisis yet is because what is happening in foreign exchange is a resolution of the larger financial crisis. At the heart of the financial crises lies leverage; the bizarro doppelgänger resulting from the miracle of compounding. Said leveraging was financed primarily with dollars, yen and to a lesser degree Swiss francs, and Hong Kong dollars.

Dollar and yen were borrowed and earned, converted and then lent far and wide. As a result there is a substantial short dollar and yen position that needs to be covered. The dollar and yen's strength are a reflection of a deadly serious global margin call. This is what their rising price is trying to allocate. Contrary to the argument of the permadollar bears, that sees a large surfeit of dollars in the world; what is being experienced now is a great dollar shortage. This is also a factor behind the higher dollar interest rates offshore. Short-term momentum traders have jumped aboard anticipating and amplifying the carnage.

Part of the leveraging is a currency mismatch. The current de-leveraging appears to be one of the most powerful forces that have propelled the dollar and yen higher. Just as the leveraging process helped drive the major foreign currencies except the yen to unprecedented high levels relative to robust measures of PPP (IMF/OECD), the deleveraging process is pushing the currencies, including the yen, back toward PPP. The sharp drop in sterling has pushed it back below its PPP measure, which is not surprising. PPP, as we know, does not represent support or resistance."

See also:

http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/archive/2008/20081124-Mon.html

Dosser The USD is the

Dosser

The USD is the "tallest pygmy" in the room, this doesn't make it a "safe haven", the US has several stages of grief to go through before they accept this

Neven

Firstly i'd say no one

Firstly i'd say no one really has a clue where currencies are going from here.

I believe the major piece of de-leveraging has come through but there will be further waves as we progress.

Given it's overseas debt exposure and trade deficit, its hard to see the kiwi strengthening from here. Also the pressure of much lower rates will continue to weigh on it.

A rate somewhere in the 40s should be beneficial in the medium term.

But the bigger picture of the $ is harder to call. CDS on US paper indicates continued stress for US assets. However the relationship between the US and China/Japan (huge owners of US assets) is less clear.

$yn looks like one way traffic south back to the lows of 1995 but the Japanese economy is sinking quickly and a much stronger yen may cause bigger problems. There is every chance that off market arrangements may be the order of the day.

Of course those who remember the fiasco of the Plaza and Louvre accords will know that the powers that be often create more mess with their grand designs than they hoped for.

Messy markets are probably what we will continue to get.

I have to agree with

I have to agree with comments above
"Alexander is almost never right with predictions," and others
I with just basic knowledge no degrees or salary in the industry have been far more accurate....
Historically , yes we have dropped down to the 40c mark before...so yes it is possble it may hook down that low, thu 45 would be about as low I think it may go for a short period, but the 48/52 is where it will eventually settle out at.

With escalating bad news from

With escalating bad news from the US economy the US$ will experience a sudden collapse - a sheepish flight !