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Top 10 at 10: Aussie mortgage holiday idea; Property bubble comparisons; G20 fix real?
Here's my top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 am. I welcome your additions. I'm keeping these shorter so I can complete them every day.
Australia's big four banks have agreed to mortgage payment holidays for Australians who have just lost their jobs, Bloomberg reports. Good idea for us? Same banks. Same problem.
Spain's 'Caja' savings banks could have 40 billion euro hole in their balance sheets because of the collapse in Spain's property market, proving the European financial crisis is far from over, The Telegraph reports.
Here's an interesting if slightly old comparison of the US and Japanese house price bubbles. The Japanese bubble is still deflating 19 years after its peak.
This is a fascinating report at Politico.com on what actually went on inside the meeting last week between Barack Obama and bank executives. Essentially Obama read them the riot act and told them to drop their complacency about public anger.
"My administration," the president added, "is the only thing between you and the pitchforks."
A cracking piece here in Forbes on the banker who refused to lend from 2004 to 2008, but is now making hay buying distressed loans. Here's a taste. H/T Lance Wiggs.
"Banks are on a prayer mission that somehow prices will come back and they won't have to face reality," Beal says. And that reality, according to Beal, is going to get a lot worse. "Unemployment is going over 10%, commercial real estate hasn't even begun collapsing and corporate credit defaults are just getting started," he says. His prediction: depression, without bread lines this time, thanks to the government safety net, but with equal cost to society.
How to put the 'Great' into Depression, by Bill Bonner at the Daily Reckoning.
The FT's Martin Wolf on why the G20 'fix' is not going to fix the underlying causes of the crisis. Here's a taste.
What this analysis is telling us is quite simple: next to no adjustment in underlying structural imbalances is occurring. In particular, the non-fiscal sectors of the three big surplus countries are expected to continue to run huge surpluses. The change "“ temporary, the surplus countries surely hope "“ is that domestic fiscal expansion is modestly offsetting the decline in demand coming from deficit countries with over-leveraged private sectors. But that decline in private demand is also offset by massive fiscal boosts in deficit countries.
This is not a path towards a durable exit from the crisis. It is a path on which the fiscal deficits needed to offset persistent current account deficits, and collapsing private spending in external deficit countries, continue indefinitely. Unless and until surplus countries recognise that this cannot continue, no durable escape from the crisis will be achieved. Understandably, but foolishly, they are unwilling to do so.
Alan Kohler at Business Spectator is also sceptical about the G20 fix and the FASB's mark to market fix.
Delinquenices for 'Prime' mortgages in the US have doubled to 2.4% in a year, OptionARMageddon points out.
Greg Mankiw on what started the Great Depression: too much government intervention.
Now, if we can just
Now, if we can just get some sensible comparisons of NZ's and other nations housing bubbles. Surely someone, somewhere in the world, is doing the research into the bubbles that have happened everywhere in the first world, and working out the reasons why? The UN? The World Bank? The IMF?
Why did Germany not have a housing bubble? Have any other nations not had one? And why?
Surely this is important? Why do we not want to know?
I reckon I know. But I won't reiterate all the arguments here. Regular readers will know what I think.
The only attempt at an assessment of this issue I have yet seen is contained in Alan Moran's "The Tragedy of Planning"; and I agree 100% with his conclusion. I am eagerly watching out for further and wider research and analysis of that type.
Well, why would the bankers
Well, why would the bankers assembled in front of Obama take what he had to say with anything but a wry smile;
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30042778
@PhilBest I did a quickie
@PhilBest
I did a quickie comparison, I can't load the graph here, but needless to say kiwi housing values have at least another 8% drop to reach there pre-bubble levels. This is adjusting for inflation and adding a standard 3% market trend value.
"This is adjusting for inflation
"This is adjusting for inflation and adding a standard 3% market trend value"
What does it look like if you just put inflation to the side and adjust it directly for nominal GDP growth? (which is what it should have grown at in theory)
Troy - a much greater
Troy - a much greater drop than 8% would be required to get to pre-bubble levels!!!!
Remember in real terms house prices increased around 70-80% over 2002-2007. In real terms they have dropped back about 15% from the peak - still a big, big shortfall.
If you factor in a standard 3% market trend factor then over the 5 years of the boom that would bring back real house price growth to say 60%
If we look at history we find that prices drop a long way back following a boom, usually a steep drop at the start followed by a slightly more gentle and longer falling away. But they usually settle 10-20% above values at the start of the bubble. If we assume that prices should settle say 20% above pre-bubble prices, then we've still got a long way to fall - at least 30-40% in real terms, which would equate to around a further 20% drop in nominal terms over the next 2-3 years - consistent with Bernard's predictions.
Here's a really interesting interview
Here's a really interesting interview with William Black, a former senior banking regulator in the US, who does not pull his punches when claiming that the current economic meltdown has been, and continues to be, driven by fraud:
http://marketoracle.ws/Article9867.html
He is extremely critical of the bail-out "solutions" for not addressing these core problems and, instead, being complicit in their cover up.
Black's claims are very similar to what Karl Denninger would describe as the "bezzle":
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2009/03/08.html
@ PhilBest In many countries
@ PhilBest
In many countries in Europe houses are regarded as a home, where families live in for many years (10 -30 years) and not purely as goods. Most people don't speculate or invest in property in making money from. It is a different culture.
Sorry, but I cannot see that in English speaking countries.
In German speaking countries the majority is renting anyway.
Nice of them. They are
Nice of them. They are going to allow borrowers a payment holiday where they still accrue compounding interest to be whacked on top when they start repaying again.
Bit much for me to accept when we all know every mortgage was merely written into existence out of fresh-air, then loaned out at compounding interest. It is debt relief that is owed, relief that would make the crooks pay reperation to those they ripped off, not a payment holiday seeing the victims end up owing more before they are foreclosed upon down the track.
The systemic fraud marches on.
speaking of something explaining exponential
speaking of something explaining exponential debt, here is a gem;
Question: Subterfuge continues, such as how could officials claim budget surpluses in the late 1990s, and that they paid down debt, when total debt increased to a new record high each and every year?
Answer: the general federal government did not have a surplus in any year in the past 20.For example > During the 4-year period FY 1998-2001 politicians claimed a $557 billion surplus, yet total debt increased $438 billion in that period - - meaning the actual situation was nearly $1 trillion over-stated, which makes such 'hide-the-debt' scandals like Enron look like child's play. The Deficit-Trust Report shows the general government spent more than its general revenues every year, and covered up over-spending deficit by siphoning-off all $ 4.3 trillion cash surpluses incoming to trust funds, including spending every penny remaining in the social security trust fund on non-pension items - - creating even more non-marketable debt IOUs to 'paper-over' their actions - - while claiming they want to 'save social security'. (If a private firm did that to its employee pension fund its officers would go to jail - a law in every state).
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/debt.htm
@Matt My analysis goes back
@Matt
My analysis goes back 10 years, just after the first bump in housing prices. If you take the first bump into account and redo the analysis then you might see a drop of more then 40%. However, since construction of new homes is dry supply and demand should take hold so i can't see a correction back to the 20 year mark. BTW the 8% drop does take the 3-to-1 earning ratio factored in as well. When the median price of a home is $290,000 we may see a mini bubble again.
(UPDATE) @Matt I think to
(UPDATE)
@Matt
I think to help the issue and to speak to objective evidence I believe we need a New Zealand equivalent to the Case-Shiller Index.
http://www2.standardandpoors.com/portal/site/sp/en/us/page.topic/indices...
Unfortunately my day job and the fact that my leaky building is forcing me to move precludes me develop a kiwi CS index, maybe if Bernard could develop one or perhaps know if S&P does one for NZ.
More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case-Shiller_index
That is interesting, WalterK. There
That is interesting, WalterK.
There is a lengthy report by an economist named Oliver Marc Hartwich called "Bigger Better Faster More", which describes the difference between Germany's development of new houses and England's. He says that this is why Germany has affordable homes.
Some other countries in Europe have had housing bubbles - Spain for example.
I dearly wish to know what is the position in all the different European countries, and why.
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