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Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10am. I welcome your additions and comments below or please send suggestions for Thursday's Top 10 at 10 to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz Dilbert.com 1. Strategic decision due 'shortly' - Perpetual Trust has told Adam Bennett at the NZHerald that a decision is due shortly on Strategic Finance's situation, which could include either receivership or a Hanover-style debt-for-equity swap, says McDouall Stuart analyst John Kidd.

The company's management is in negotiations with trustee Perpetual Trust over Strategic's future and Perpetual's Matthew Lancaster last week said these were progressing. "An announcement of their outcome is expected to be made shortly," he said.

2. China's crackdown - China has told its banks to raise interest rates on third mortgages and cut loan-to-value ratios in its latest attempt to take the steam out of an overheated property market, Bloomberg reported. Global markets are watching this attempt to apply the brakes closely and it may well spill over indirectly into New Zealand's property market as hot money leaking out of China into the Auckland property market dries up.

The regulator also told banks to stop granting new loans to developers found to be hoarding land or intentionally delaying property sales, and to take measures to make sure existing advances are repaid, the person said. Banks were told they should reject loan applications from people buying homes for "investment and speculation" purposes, the person said. Lenders were asked to raise down payments and interest rates for third mortgages by a "broad margin" if they're unsure of a borrower's intentions, the person said.

3. Australian bubble - Widely watched blogger Mike 'Mish' Shedlock is now focused on what he sees as a housing bubble in Australia. He suggests yesterday's decision by the Reserve Bank of Australia to leave its OCR on hold at 3.75% was a sign of panic from the central bank about not wanting to burst the bubble.

Fear in the board of governors over the pending crash is palpable. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd did not learn a single thing from the US and the disastrous policies of Greenspan. He gave one last goose to the housing market with $14,000 tax credits in a foolish attempt to stem the tide of the global recession that started two years ago. Prime Minister Rudd brags about Australia's ability to duck the recession. It did not work. All Rudd did was delay the inevitable, fueling an even bigger housing bubble. The bigger the bubble, the bigger the crash, and rest assured Australia is headed for a housing crash.

I certainly got that sense of a bubble mentality in Melbourne when I visited over Christmas. My brother showed me a small, empty section in a middle to lower income suburb half an hour's drive from the CBD that sold at auction in early December for A$890,000 after being advertised for around A$700,000. Just plain nuts. 4. Cooking the books - The US budget understates the government's liabilities by the US$6.3 billion trillion that is owed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but curiously includes dividends from these two broken mortgage guarantors in its income, Bloomberg points out. These debts would easily pump US public debt to GDP towards the 100% mark generally seen as fatal without significant tax hikes and spending cuts.

White House budget director Peter Orszag delayed a decision on whether to bring the companies' $1.6 trillion in corporate debt and $4.7 trillion mortgage obligations onto the federal budget. As the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Orszag criticized the Bush administration for keeping the 2008 rescue of the government-sponsored enterprises off budget. At the time, Orszag said "the degree of federal control over Fannie and Freddie is so strong, we are incorporating them into the federal budget."

Zerohedge tells it like it is here.

As readers can see, we are not talking about just any paltry amount: the most recent US total debt balance was $12.222 trillion. It would seem a little presumptuous that an amount representing more than half of the total US sovereign debt is conveniently swept under the rug. And with the omission from the Federal Budget, America's population once again has absolutely no visibility into the real fiscal costs associated with the government's support for the Debtor Nation Sponsored Entities (aka DeNSEs). Not only that, but at some we really should have a discussion over just what the delicate transition from the existing "conserved" [sic] status to a full nationalization and permanent US debt onboarding. What we definitely know is that we now live in a system where delusion is the norm: we have an administration that willfully and consistently deludes its population from representing just how bad our economic debacle really is, and we have a population, that willfully and consistently is happy to accept lies and delusions from every media and administrative outlet, and in turn deludes the administration that it will pays it taxes, or not walk away from yet another underwater mortgage. Rinse. Repeat. What we are positive, is that this arrangement of mutual delusion will persist will spectacular success. Until it doesn't.

5. The big picture - Rolfe Winkler at Reuters puts the US budget and the debt situation into perspective in this great column with two equally excellent charts here.

Winkler argues rightly that the deficit spending now may look better than during World War II, but that spending during the 1940s happened when US total debt/GDP was low after the massive de-leveraging of the depression and private debt was low. Obama is relying on GDP growth to get him out of trouble. The problem is the private sector is not consuming. Where will the growth come from? Apart from government? A brutally circular argument that will only end in a compounding debt spiral and default by the US government.

GDP "” a measure of spending "” can't grow unless we're spending more. Seems to me the only way for aggregate spending to grow faster than government spending is for the private sector to spend more. But households are tapped out. They're saving more to repair already busted balance sheets. At 10%, the deficit is far smaller as a share of GDP than during WWII. We've spent far more before, the argument goes, so it's no trouble to spend so much today. One problem with this argument is that it ignores unfunded liabilities for Medicare and Social Security . If the budget was calculated according to the same accounting principles that apply to corporations, the deficit would look much worse. We had no such unfunded liabilities in the '40s. The argument is also incomplete. Americans' total debt burden amounts to much more than what the federal government owes. Including private debt makes the picture look far worse than the '40s: It was easier to service higher public debt in the '40s because de-leveraging during the Depression had wiped out most private debts. Debt is the problem. We (should have) learned that after the Depression, yet we're piling on more in a misguided effort to prop up an economy that desperately needs to de-lever.

6. Wall of junk - The New York Times reports that Moody's is reporting that more than US$700 billion worth of high yielding corporate debt is due between 2012 and 2014. The day of reckoning was just postponed, not avoided.

The story of the explosion in cheap lending during the credit boom is well known at this point, and that bubble's popping has already led to big bankruptcy filings and bracing debt reorganizations. Of the top ten issuers with debt maturities coming due between 2010 and 2014, several are tied to boom-era buyouts, including a subsidiary of the utility player TXU (now known as Energy Future Holdings); the hospital operator HCA; the data services provider First Data; and the chip maker Frescale Semiconductor. But 2009 also saw a wave of high-yield debt offerings as well, some $145 billion in new junk bond issuances. Over all, speculative-grade companies raised about $200 billion in new debt for the year. What's especially notable is that about 78 percent of that debt was for refinancing existing obligations, Moody's points out. While those loans and, increasingly, bonds has postponed the day of reckoning for companies, it does nothing to relieve their overall debt loads. "Despite significant spread-tightening in the credit markets, there remain only limited options for rolling over this debt," Peter Fitzsimmons, the North America president for the consulting firm AlixPartners, said in a press release last week. "Therefore, the potential for a very serious cash crunch could be knocking on the door of Corporate America."

7.Move your money - The revolt against the 'Too Big To Fail' banks in the United States is gathering pace. Former IMF economist Simon Johnson calls here at baseline scenario for US taxpayers to move their money to credit unions and community banks.

After 30 years of deregulation and financial "innovation", our problem today is rather different.  The idea of banks being so big they can extract enormous resources from the state would have been incomprehensible to Jackson and ludicrous even to FDR "“ in their day the federal government did not have anywhere near enough resources to "save" massive failing banks as we have done in the past few years. The essence of our current difficulties is that so many people "“ both in power and from all walks of life "“ still actually think our biggest banks are good for their customers and for society as a whole, so we must hold our noses and live with them.  This view must be challenged, directly and repeatedly. In this context, moving your own money is more than an important gesture, and if enough people get on board, it will make a difference.  More likely, thinking hard "“and talking with others "“ about your various monetary transactions also beings to change the rules of the political game.  How can politicians claim to be against Too Big To Fail banks when they actually have an account or a credit card or a mortgage at one such offender?  Shouldn't state officials be held accountable for where they park the taxpayers' funds?  Which governor wants to risk reelection while heavily dependent on big banks?  Who got what kind of commission last time a government body issued bonds?

8. Quit the euro - Arch euro sceptic Ambrose Evans Pritchard asks whether Germany should pull out of the euro (Nein!) in this piece in The Daily Telegraph. You've got to give the guy credit for persistence. It will never happen if the German and French elites have anything to do with it.

Germany faces a terrible dilemma. Either Europe's paymaster agrees to underwrite a Greek bail-out and drops its vehement opposition to a de facto EU economic government, treasury, and debt union, or the euro will start to unravel, and with it Germany's strategic investment in the post-war order. The spike in yields on 10-year Greek bonds to 400 basis points above German Bunds has been shockingly swift "“ a warning to Britain, too, that markets can suddenly strike any country that takes creditors for granted. We can argue over whether Greece, Portugal, or Spain are at risk of being forced out of the euro. But there is another nagging question: whether events will cause Germany and its satellites to withdraw, bequeathing the legal carcass of EMU to the Club Med bloc. This is the only break-up scenario that makes much sense. A German exit would allow Club Med to uphold contracts in euros and devalue with least havoc to internal debt markets. The German bloc would enjoy a windfall gain. The D-Mark II would be stronger. Borrowing costs would fall. The North-South gap in competitiveness could be bridged with less disruption for both sides.

9. The power of factory dairy farms - Here's how the lobbyists for factory dairy farms in the United States have perverted the rules for organic dairy farmers so they can claim 'access to pasture' includes a strip of dirt outside the mega-shed. More evidence to say our diplomats shouldn't trust American trade negotiators to do anything other than feather the nests of the Agri-corporates. The story is in the politicsoftheplate blog.

Beginning in the mid-2000s, at about the time when it became evident that the green "USDA Organic" label translated into bigger profits, huge Confined Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) with herds of up to 10,000 cows located in western states got into the organic milk business. There was one obvious problem. How do you provide pasture for thousands of hungry cows in a semi-arid landscape that would, at best, produce enough feed for a few dozen animals? The answer, according to Mark Kastel, co-founder of the Cornucopia Institute, an advocacy group for organic family farms based in Wisconsin, is that the corporations that owned the CAFO's did everything they could to muddy the definition of "access to pasture." In some cases, a narrow, grassless strip outside the vast barns in which the animals were kept was considered "pasture" because some hay had been spread there. National Organic Standard Board (NOSB) allowances for cows and their very young calves to be kept indoors for a short period after birth were twisted to include all milking cows being kept inside 24/7 for 310 days a year.

10. Totally irrelevant video (but great for laugh) - A Macquarie bank trader got caught ...er...red handed watching a near naked woman on his screen during a live television cross on Channel 7. Now it's on Youtube for our viewing pleasure. Woops. Here's the article about it in the Daily Mail>, which my wife pointed me to...

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#2: My understanding is that

#2: My understanding is that in China most of these 3rd mortgages are informal ones, thru extended families, guanxi & suchlike. Plenty of underground yuan floating around in China. Also quite similar to the NZ situation when you think about it. So you would have to wonder how effective this will be.

Cheers

Found this interesting article on

Found this interesting article on China....why you should take the 'bubble' fear with a dose of salt:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-china-bubble-2010-02-01

Is there actual evidence of

Is there actual evidence of this: "hot money leaking out of China into the Auckland property market "?

Not anecdotes, actual evidence.

Zerohedge needs someone to proof read their stuff.

This is my take on

This is my take on the subject of sovereign default: Safe Assets and Sore Surprises. By the way, I have just added a Reference List to my economics blog with economic data series, history, bibliographies etc. for students & researchers. Currently almost 200 meta sources, it will in the next days grow to over a thousand. Check it out and if you miss something, feel free to leave a comment.

Trev said....Is there actual evidence

Trev said....Is there actual evidence of this: "hot money leaking out of China into the Auckland property market "?

You better get a trenchcoat and some dark glasses to collect that information, Trev.

Wow, what a "Top 10

Wow, what a "Top 10 at 10", we live in interesting times.

Item 3; MISH is absolutely onto it about the Aussie housing bubble, do follow the link and read it.

He'd say exactly the same about NZ if we were big enough to be on anyone's radar screen over there.

Here's how MISH starts: ".......Fear

Here's how MISH starts:

".......Fear in the RBA board of governors over the pending crash is palpable. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd did not learn a single thing from the US and the disastrous policies of Greenspan. He gave one last goose to the housing market with $14,000 tax credits in a foolish attempt to stem the tide of the global recession that started two years ago.

Prime Minister Rudd brags about Australia's ability to duck the recession. It did not work. All Rudd did was delay the inevitable, fueling an even bigger housing bubble. The bigger the bubble, the bigger the crash, and rest assured Australia is headed for a housing crash......"

MISH then quotes the AU

MISH then quotes the AU Courier-Mail:

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26655966-3102,00.html

"Almost half of first-home buyers lured into the market by the Rudd Government's $14,000 grant are struggling to meet their mortgage repayments and many are already in arrears on their loans.

Thousands of young home buyers are using credit cards or other loans to meet obligations, while those in "severe stress" are missing payments.

Just weeks after the grant was withdrawn, a survey of more than 26,000 borrowers conducted by Fujitsu Consulting has found 45 per cent of first-home owners who entered the market during the past 18 months are experiencing "mortgage stress" or "severe mortgage stress".

"The dream of home ownership has turned sour for many thousands of first-home buyers now that the reality of rising interest rates is kicking in," said Fujitsu Consulting managing director Martin North.

"Rising utility costs and school fees are also cited as reasons for hardship, and many first-home owners are living without proper furniture or carpets as they divert all their cash to their monthly repayments."

During the past 18 months, more than 135,000 first-home buyers have entered the market, encouraged by the generous grants and stamp-duty relief.

As a result, more than 50 per cent of first-home owners are forecast to be in the "mortgage stress" category by the end of this year.

"This was a disaster waiting to happen," Steve Keen, professor of economics at the University of NSW, said yesterday.

"The grant panicked first-home buyers to rush into the market, which pushed prices up by far more than the grant itself. Now we have buyers falling behind with their repayments as rates increase and thousands of owners exposed to the danger of bankruptcy as the situation deteriorates."......"

MISH quotes from an article:

MISH quotes from an article:

"Experts are worried that, if other banks follow suit, credit to the property market will be choked off and property prices could collapse."

MISH comments:

"If those "experts" had an ounce of common sense they would be worried the housing bubble would get bigger....."

Take a bow, MISH.

".....Bubbles burst when the pool of greater fools runs out, and not before.

That is exactly why Economist Steve Keen lost his housing bet against Rory Robertson....

"......Keen's mistake (miscalculation is a better word as I am positive he will ultimately be proven correct), was that he misjudged actions the Rudd administration might take to keep the bubble going.

Bear in mind that once the trend changes, it changes for good, but until the trend does change, efforts to keep bubbles alive frequently produce blowoff tops.

In Australia's case I finally sense a blowoff top in fools. The US suffered the same fate in 2005......."

After a delightful summary of the absurd optimism prevailing in the USA from 2004-2008, MISH goes on:

"......After bubbles burst, nothing matters including loose lending standards in the US that lasted long after the housing peak in summer of 2005.

Supply of Fools Exhausted

I am willing to bet that at long last, Australia's pool of greater fools just ran out. Rudd's ridiculous $14,000 grant and stamp-duty relief programs were likely enough to exhaust that pool.

The ultimate irony of Keen's bet is that by the time he starts his hike in April (the result of his bet loss) he will likely be right.

Bear in mind however, that prices tend to fall slowly at first as inventory builds up. Then the losses accelerate quickly.

A Long Wait

By the way, Australia buyers might need to wait 5-7 years or more for reasonable valuations. Look how long it took for the US housing bubble to implode. We have not hit bottom yet after 5 years, and the Australia bubble has a bigger starting point....."

Same goes for NZ too, boys.

The property collapse over there

The property collapse over there might well mean Rudd is a one term wonder.

Trev - Plenty of hot

Trev - Plenty of hot hot money at the casino in Auckland - I go there for a beer and watch the eye opening grand or two bets that are laid out on the main floor by Asian players and that's not counting the VIP rooms where I have neither the inclination nor the $$ to throw on cards.

Does anyone know in Sydney

Does anyone know in Sydney what the mortgagee sales figures are for the last six months and the trend line? (Median house price of $620k with $120k equity plus rates the insurance plus maintenance = $1k a week commitments before the supermarket)

Trev Says: "Is there actual

Trev Says:
"Is there actual evidence of this: "hot money leaking out of China into the Auckland property market "?"

I would not be suprised...I have a good friend who is still based 'home 'in Shanghai..
We where chatting not long after the big collapse of house prices in California, he and a few friends had just returned from there.
So this is what he told me..
In China there is no public health, dole and stuff, so people tend to keep a lot of money 'under the bed' for emergencies. In doing so the Government realised a lot of cash was hidden way, so they encouraged people to go on spending sprees to bring it back into circulation. Hence his trip with a few colleagues to the US.
So i ask him about the houses not bringing in any income...
his reply was so what,? they are solidl built the recession is not going to last forever, a coat of paint and flick them off in 15 or 20 yrs time.

I believe several decades ago a similar thing happened in Hawaii coming out of Japan, which ended up the Japanese owning a large proportion of the Islands.

Dont underestimate Asia, they think different to us
We think in terms of next yr or maybe at a push 3 or 5 yrs out...they dont, they think/plan 20 yrs and even the the next generation...
Take a close look at China making noises about their currency becoming the next international trading currency...u think thats happened over night? No way they started setting up and planning that 20/30 yrs ago. Now they are in a position, if it was in their interests, to turn the US into another Iceland over night

Steptoe you are so correct

Steptoe you are so correct - the Chinese and all old money countries such as Russia, Lebenon, India all have that long term mentality of planning decades ahead; take a look at the shuttered Chinese houses in Singapore that remained vacant until family fortunes were rebuilt and the accrued debts could be paid. You can even extend this to the various global faiths

Okay.. Christov - way too

Okay.. Christov - way too hot for a trenchcoat.
Sean - Is the casino phenomenon new?
Steptoe - good points, one of my mates has a chinese neighbour who visits his house once a year, the rest of the year he lives in China. Over $1M NZ tied up, no rent coming in - hard to understand.

Really, I was asking if there are any stats on cashflows from China to NZ - but maybe that is just wishful thinking.

@Wally: "one term wonder" Rudd

@Wally: "one term wonder" Rudd is just following on from his predecessor though.....so "one term wonder" back to the same same....

To me, what he is doing, indeed most Govns, is feed young people cannonfodder who can barely afford a mortgage into an overheated, over-valued due to implode system in a desperate attempt to keep it going a bit longer....Looking back over the last 20 years these are the ppl who have really struggled once rates rise or values take a huge knock....you just have to wonder if this works....instead of handing out money that then gets handed to the vendor which inflates the price spend the money / effort to take the asset profit mentality out of the system.

regards

Steptoe said...........Take a close look

Steptoe said...........Take a close look at China making noises about their currency becoming the next international trading currency"¦u think thats happened over night? No way they started setting up and planning that 20/30 yrs ago. Now they are in a position, if it was in their interests, to turn the US into another Iceland over night

ERRRRR...? I don't think so hmmmm nope!

Step you sound a little in awe of our great neighbours...... ?

In fact they are doing a pretty good fast track job of replicating America's mis-adventures stopping short...at this stage.....of physical domination.

Great thing about greed... ya don't gotta feed it...!

A better version of your

A better version of your "porn watching traders" clip is here in HD, rather than the current one that looks like it was caught on a handycam. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1m8a4Jl4ZI

Steps are you sure China

Steps are you sure China has no public health? That doesn't sound right???

Steven, hear,hear to THIS: "....what

Steven, hear,hear to THIS:

"....what Rudd is doing, indeed most Govns, is feed young people cannonfodder who can barely afford a mortgage into an overheated, over-valued due to implode system in a desperate attempt to keep it going a bit longer"¦.Looking back over the last 20 years these are the ppl who have really struggled once rates rise or values take a huge knock...."

Anyone would think you'd read and agreed with what I've been saying, like:

".....If our government carries on with its operating deficit and borrowing like it is we will get into the zone of fire eventually.

In the 1980's, NZ governments bit the bullet and spent 20 years paying back the debts accumulated by Kirk/Rowling and Muldoon; especially the 9 years of Muldoon. All that debt had certainly NOT "stimulated" the economy; and I doubt it will "stimulate" economies this time either. We are very much in a time of the blind leading the blind.

But at least last time, people had low mortgage debt, houses were affordable and land was cheap. This time, the very generation that will one day have to pay higher taxes and cope with govt spending cuts (as in the 1980's and 90's) will already themselves be NZ's most privately indebted generation ever. Roger Douglas is right to call what is happening, "fiscal child abuse". We were already in trouble with the sustainability of national superannuation even before any of this happened."

Spidy Sense Says: "Steps are

Spidy Sense Says:
"Steps are you sure China has no public health? That doesn't sound right???"

Nope Im not...It was the gist of a conservation with a good friend around 18 months ago....if they have not not, it is the basic theme that is important.
Dont loose sight of the forest because of the trees.

Christov Says:
"ERRRRR"¦? I don't think so hmmmm nope!"
Regarding China being able to collapse the US....All China has to do is pull its loans cash its US bonds.....
"Step you sound a little in awe of our great neighbours"¦"¦ ?"
No m8 ..Old saying "know who your enemy really is"
China is a civilisation that has been far more advanced than western civilisations for 1000s of yrs...Our western society attitude is one of false superiority, egotist and so far up our selves we deserver to disappear...and see the Little old Chinese man , smiling away as an idiot....ever wondered why he is smiling?
Long term thinking went out with the wood cutter of peasant Europe, where a oak tree was marked and trained from father to son to grandson...for a single purpose...
We chopped down all our Kauri , the concept of farming them now has been replaced with 20yr old pine.
It is this reason that we have major economic upheavals every 70 to 80 yrs, and lack stablity....

Just had a weird thought/concept.....Westren civilisation nearly stuffed China with opium, I wonder if they learnt from that lesson....where are the ingredients coming from , into western civilisation to make P....think about it...coincidence or not???

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No 3: "He suggests yesterday’s

No 3: "He suggests yesterday's decision by the Reserve Bank of Australia to leave its OCR on hold at 3.75% was a sign of panic from the central bank about not wanting to burst the bubble."

Well well, this sounds familiar, because that's exactly what Bollard is/was doing, trying to 'save face'. The monster he has helped create by putting up the OCR too slowly in 2003-2006.
A large degree of the NZ economy now revolves around house prices instead of 'productiion'. Bollard knows this, hence he dropped that OCR to 2.5% so fast (propping up the housing market) . He's now caught between a rock and a hard place of his own making.

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Have a read of this!

Have a read of this! The US housing market looking pretty grim

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/business/03walk.html

Steptoe........ I hold no such

Steptoe........ I hold no such self- superior opinions when it comes to China.....and wonder how you gleened that little tick from my response post.
I know first hand... big chinese men...smart ones ...dumb ones... the whole spectrum.

So don't pull that card ,it's ill concieved and poorly thought through.

You said Blah blah...I said... I don't think so without ethnic comment or slur.

And it was the English who introduced Opium to China not the whole Western civilization...so careful how you wave your tar brush... you may get some on yourself.

I think it's more a

I think it's more a case of good (public) health in China costs money. While there might be public hospitals. Even within these, you need cash to upgrade the service provided.

English ! ..............He couldn't introduce

English ! ..............He couldn't introduce $ 20 hookers to a ship full of marines .

China cannot cash it's Yankee I.O.U.s , who's gonna buy them ? The PRC & USA are locked into a death spiral : Stick together , they both die horribly in a financial maelstrom ; Attempt a separation , same outcome , only quicker .

Feck ! Sorry , that's

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Bernard said: "I certainly got

Bernard said:

"I certainly got that sense of a bubble mentality in Melbourne when I visited over Christmas. My brother showed me a small, empty section in a middle to lower income suburb half an hour's drive from the CBD that sold at auction in early December for A$890,000 after being advertised for around A$700,000. Just plain nuts."

That certainly does reek of the 1980s Japanese bubble, where land prices went psycho in urban areas.

Momentum seems to be growing in terms of the thought that Aussie is in big bubble territory, and about to burst. All bubbles ultimately burst.

And if they do, so will we.....

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"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy..."

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I wonder what happens next......?

Roger, I was going to

Roger, I was going to get back to you re another thread re you questioning my statement that the full repayment of a mortgage removes 2-3 x principal borrowed from the current money supply creating a debt loop of doom, I cant now find which thread it was, could you please give me a link and I'll put my case.
Cheers
Iain

Interesting bit about Germany and

Interesting bit about Germany and the Euro, it just shows during times of crisis these big currency unions can cause massive problems.
All the more reason to not believe the hype some spin and avoid a currency union with Aussie at all costs.

RE Aussie, as long as

RE Aussie, as long as they keep pumping 150K immigrants in each year I can't see their property market badly crashing, I appreciate they need to be careful though.

I think Rudd went a bit overboard with his stimulus package, they probably should have done more like what our gov't and reserve bank did.

For another view on the

For another view on the Australian housing market have a look at this report from David Denning. He is a US analyst with a New York Times best seller that moved to Melbourne a few years back.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/reports/property-swindle.pdf

Interestingly house prices in Ausralia have risen since this report was written and according to the latest Demographia study Australia now has 4 out of the 5 most expensive housing markets in the English speaking western world relative to income.

What could go wrong?

Look after number one Matt

Look after number one Matt in CHCH. Don't let the buggers get to you....Matt in Auck...that's not a bubble...THIS is a bubble! Keep the head down Matt when she goes, it'll splatter up the wall and everyone who said it wouldn't will look a bloody fool.

Iain : Sadly I'm not

Iain : Sadly I'm not comupatator literate enuff to find the link .

But someone else stepped in and blasted my point to smithereens . Pity really , 'cos that was your kill & destroy mission .

That is one hard hitting

That is one hard hitting analysis; JIMBO, thanks heaps for that link. I recommend it to everyone.

Jimbo Says:

February 4th, 2010 at 2:34 am
For another view on the Australian housing market have a look at this report from David Denning. He is a US analyst with a New York Times best seller that moved to Melbourne a few years back.

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/reports/property-swindle.pdf

Interestingly house prices in Ausralia have risen since this report was written and according to the latest Demographia study Australia now has 4 out of the 5 most expensive housing markets in the English speaking western world relative to income.

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c'est interessant , merci pour

c'est interessant , merci pour l'info !

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hows that CGT, land tax

hows that CGT, land tax and stamp duty on property working out for the Australians in their attempt to control property bubbles?
The argument fails comprehensively. Why would NZ implement a policy which does not work?

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