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Westpac economists on funding costs, net interest margins and profits

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Westpac's Chief Economist Brendan O'Donovan and Markets Economist Michael Gordon released a bulletin on Tuesday morning centred around the current debate on profits, interest margins and funding costs for the 'big 4' Australian-owned banks in New Zealand. In the bulletin, the Westpac economists presented their views on why the cuts in the Official Cash Rate (OCR) had not been fully passed on to lending rates. They also looked at how banks' net interest margins had narrowed recently and their fall in profits, as well as the make-up of funding for the banks. Here is the full bulletin:

  • Bank funding has become more expensive from every source, with first wholesale then retail rates rising relative to benchmark rates. This has dampened the passthrough from OCR cuts to lending rates.
  • Net interest margins have narrowed since the credit crisis began, as banks have not fully passed these cost increases through to lending rates to date.
  • With bad debts on the rise, and banks not recouping these losses through higher lending margins, net profits have fallen.
  • Net interest margins are similar for the major New Zealand and Australian banks.

  The financial landscape has changed dramatically since the global credit crisis began in full force in August 2007. Investors who were previously happy to accept minimal returns on risky loans have become much more cautious, and are now demanding higher premiums from even the highest-quality borrowers. Central banks have responded by cutting their policy rates to extremely low levels, and in most cases the actual level of interest rates has fallen. But the gap between policy rates and market rates has widened, and is unlikely to return to pre-crisis levels any time soon. The impact on market-traded assets is easily observed. But banks are more opaque: they pool together funds from a range of sources, at varying prices, and lend the money on to a range of customers - again, at varying prices that reflect the level of risk. As a result, it can be difficult to trace how banks' funding costs and margins have evolved, and even more so in these unusual conditions. There's no dispute that banks' funding has become relatively more expensive during the credit crisis, which has hindered the passthrough from policy rate cuts to retail lending rates. But to date, we haven't seen a comprehensive answer to the question of "how much". This gap in the public knowledge has fuelled claims that banks are fattening their margins under the pretence of higher funding costs. This article draws together the facts on both issues. As far as possible, we have used publicly available information, such as banks' disclosure statements and RBNZ survey data. We show that average lending margins for the major retail banks have narrowed, and that profits have fallen substantially in the last year. We also show that margins in New Zealand are similar to those in Australia, and that lending margins have narrowed by more in New Zealand during the credit crisis. The second part of this article breaks down the banks' balance sheets to show how funding costs have risen during the crisis. This section is detailed by necessity, given the range of issues involved, and we recommend it only for readers who need to be thoroughly convinced. We show that funding has become more expensive across all sources, with wholesale funding costs rising immediately in the wake of the credit crisis, while retail funding has responded more recently. Part 1: The big picture The two key questions are the extent to which the recent OCR cuts have been passed through to banks' costs of funding; and the extent to which changes in funding costs have been passed through to lending rates. Given the number of issues involved in trying to measure funding costs, the most straightforward answer is to take a top-down approach. We have compiled figures from the major banks' general disclosure statements (GDS), which are published every quarter as required by the RBNZ. In most cases these are available up to March 2009. Since July last year, the OCR has been cut from 8.25% to 2.50%, a total of 575 basis points (bps). However, since the bank GDS data are quarterly, the average OCR over the quarter is the more appropriate benchmark. The average OCR in the March 2009 quarter was 3.85%, which is 440bps lower than in June 2008 (Figure 1). In that time, the average cost of funds for the major banks fell from 7.20% to an estimated 4.80%, based on the banks' GDS available for the March 2009 quarter, giving a total decline of 240bps. Put together, this means that the fall in funding costs was about 200bps less than the fall in the cash rate over the same period.

As for the link between funding costs and lending rates, Figure 2 shows the net interest margin using the standard reporting method: interest income less interest expenses, as a percentage of interest-bearing assets. Interest margins for the major banks have narrowed in the last year - implying that, on average, lending rates have fallen by more than funding rates. The average margin fell from 2.28% in December 2007 to 2.17% in December 2008, and we estimate that there was a further slight narrowing at the start of this year, based on the GDS for the March 2009 quarter. Figures previously published by the RBNZ, which covered all registered banks, suggested that margins had increased in the December 2008 quarter. However, that increase was entirely due to one investment bank, which has no retail operations in New Zealand, reporting an unusually large margin for the quarter.

Another, timelier source of information on banks is the financial data collected on a monthly basis by the RBNZ. At face value, these figures tell a different story: the spread between lending and funding rates has widened since late 2008 (Figure 3).

However, the RBNZ note that this data is incomplete on two fronts. First, it only includes New Zealand dollar funding, and one of the aspects of the credit crisis is that foreign currency funding - which accounts for around 30% of total funding - has become relatively more expensive. Even so, it still appears to have been a reasonable indicator of funding costs up to August 2008, a full year into the credit crisis. The second and, we suspect, more significant omission is that it excludes the impact of hedging. Banks are heavily reliant on short-term borrowing, while their lending (particularly for housing) is weighted more towards fixed-rate term loans. Banks hedge the mismatch using interest rate swaps. As the OCR has been reduced, short-term funding rates have followed, as shown correctly in Figure 2. However, in the RBNZ's survey the offsetting losses on the swap hedges are instead recorded on the balance sheet as a "revaluation liability" - think of this as the implicit break cost for the banks' fixed-rate borrowing. This "liability" rose sharply from September 2008 as the RBNZ began to ease rates aggressively - not coincidentally, the same time that the interest margin recorded in the RBNZ survey began to rise (Figure 4). Market interest rates bottomed out and began to rise again in March, which has since reduced the size of the hedging losses, but they remain around $25bn higher than before the easing cycle began. We can't convert this dollar value into an interest rate equivalent without knowing the original terms of the swap hedges. However, a loss of up to $25bn, against $240bn of short-term funding (less than 90 days) that could potentially have been hedged, suggests that the impact on banks' interest margins was significant.

The suspicion that banks are increasing their lending margins (or will do in the future) is based on the perceived need to compensate for rising loan losses. With the New Zealand economy in recession since the start of 2008, a rise in loan defaults is inevitable, and impaired assets have risen sharply in the last few quarters, albeit from historically low levels (Figure 5). Impaired assets have risen more rapidly for business loans, as businesses tend to be more exposed to the economic cycle than households.

Impaired assets are certain to rise further, as they tend to lag the economic cycle - to date, they have only just matched the levels seen during the mild slowdown in 2001. The RBNZ noted in their May 2009 Financial Stability Report that banks' provisioning for bad debts has not kept pace with the rise in impaired assets lately, and encouraged banks to be more proactive with their provisioning. Since banks have not been able to claw back loan losses by increasing their lending margins, their profits have taken a hit. The four major banks reported a return on assets of 1.0% in 2008, and we estimate that this fell further to 0.85% in the March 2009 quarter (Figure 6). Around the world, the benchmark rate of return for the banking industry is generally considered to be 1%, and New Zealand's banks had consistently met this benchmark prior to the credit crisis.

The fall in profits is even more marked when looking at the retail side of the business (Figure 7). We estimate that pre-tax profits for the banks' retail segments in the year to March 2009 were down 40% on the previous year, compared to a 17% drop in total profits. A growing share of profits has come from banks' institutional businesses, which have benefited from the extreme volatility in the New Zealand dollar and interest rates during the credit crisis. These profits are unlikely to be maintained as markets regain some stability.

Across the ditch It's clear that the major New Zealand banks have taken a hit on their financial performance as a result of the credit crisis; whether they have absorbed their fair share is a judgement call that's beyond the scope of this article. However, as a starting point we can compare their performance against their Australian parent banks, which have faced similar pressures during the credit crisis (and given the woeful state of the banking industry elsewhere, Australia is one of the few countries that we'd want to benchmark ourselves against). A recent article by the Reserve Bank of Australia found that since the RBA began cutting rates in September last year, the cost of funding for the major Australian banks has fallen by about 330bps, which is 95bps less than the fall in the cash rate over the same period. In contrast, as we showed earlier, the cost of funding for New Zealand banks has fallen by 200bps less than the cash rate. The RBA article also found that, notwithstanding the rise in funding costs, the Australian banks have modestly increased their margins in the last year, whereas we find that margins in New Zealand have fallen (Figure 8).

Part 2: The rise in bank funding costs In this section we review the various sources of bank funding and how they have evolved during the credit crisis. This micro-level approach is simply for demonstration purposes - it will soon become clear that, given the variety of sources of bank funding, piecing together a bottom-up estimate of funding costs would be extremely difficult. The RBA article cited above provides a micro-level analysis for Australia; since the major Australian and New Zealand banks fund from similar sources, their conclusions are not surprisingly similar to ours. Figure 9 shows our estimate of the breakdown of liabilities for the major New Zealand banks, with a comment on recent developments in each case. Funding is split roughly evenly between wholesale and retail funding, with a bulk of wholesale funding coming from overseas. Each source of funding has responded differently to the credit crisis - wholesale rates began to rise immediately as the crisis unfolded, while retail rates have started to rise more recently. Some liabilities are non-interest bearing, the relative benefits of which are reduced in a low interest rate environment. Finally, the 'cost' of equity is a residual, after other funding costs and expenses, including bad debt provisions, are accounted for.

Before we delve into the details, we need to be clear what we mean by 'expensive' or 'cheap' funding. In most cases, interest rates have fallen in level terms since the RBNZ began its easing cycle, but many interest rates remain high relative to their usual benchmarks. For short-term rates, the OCR is an appropriate benchmark (in particular through its influence on the 90-day bank bill rate); but for longer-term rates, which are less directly influenced by the current level of the OCR, swap rates are typically used. It's important to recognise that these benchmark rates are simply for comparison - neither of them is a true borrowing rate. Official cash rate: The OCR is the rate that applies to the RBNZ's various liquidity facilities. Under the current arrangements, banks earn the OCR on any balances left overnight in their settlement accounts at the RBNZ (i.e. it's a deposit rate, not a borrowing rate). In practice, banks try to avoid leaving a significant amount of cash sitting idle, and they will look to put it to other uses - but the returns will be weighed against the alternative of leaving the money with the RBNZ. This means that bank lending rates are set with regard to, among other things, the current and expected future levels of the OCR. To the extent that banks borrow from the RBNZ at all, they are charged a margin above the OCR, and they have to provide high-quality assets such as government bonds as security - which in turn have to be funded from somewhere else. The RBNZ's facilities allow banks to manage their short-term liquidity needs; they're not intended as a source of new funding. Swaps: An interest rate swap is a type of derivative commonly used by banks to manage their interest rate risk. The two parties in a swap agree to exchange fixed-rate and floating-rate interest payments over the life of the contract, where the floating rate is the generic 90-day bank bill rate, and the fixed rate is market-determined and set at the start of the swap (the 'swap rate' always refers to the fixed rate). A swap is not a type of loan - no money changes hands at the start of the contract. As a result, the swap rate doesn't reflect the credit risk of a long-term loan to a bank. An investor who actually lends to a bank will demand a risk premium above the swap rate. Before the credit crisis, this risk premium was low and stable, so the swap rate was a reasonable proxy for banks' cost of term funding. But the premium has since risen sharply, making swap rates less useful as a gauge of funding costs. We now review each source of funding in turn. Offshore wholesale funding: Offshore markets are a major source of funding for the main banks, reflecting the fact that savings in New Zealand are inadequate to meet the demand for borrowing. While international money markets are deep enough to meet the banks' needs, they also tend to be more expensive. New Zealand banks may be profitable, well capitalised and hold high credit ratings, but they are not well known on the world stage - and what's more, they are ultimately looking to fund in New Zealand dollars, a relatively minor currency with few natural holders overseas. Before the credit crisis, the extra premium that banks paid for overseas funding was low and stable (and, arguably, underpriced), with the cost of short-term borrowing just 10bp over the expected level of the OCR (Figure 10). But as the credit crisis hit in August 2007, this premium rose to 50bp or more, and in the turmoil following the bankruptcy of Lehman Bros in September 2008 it briefly reached as high as 300bp (though there was little funding done at these levels). In recent months the premium has narrowed, but it remains well above pre-crisis levels.

The cost of longer-term funding for New Zealand banks is more difficult to observe, as it's something that is not actively traded in a market. However, there are actively-traded measures for Australian banks which we can use as a guide. Figure 11 shows the price of a five-year credit default swap - a proxy for the premium over swap that a bank would pay for issuing a five-year bond (remembering that the difference between a loan rate and a swap rate reflects the perceived credit risk of the borrower).

The premium rose from extremely low levels prior to the credit crisis to as much as 200bp earlier this year, before easing back in the last few months (although the benchmark itself - the five-year swap rate - has risen sharply at the same time). When long-term funding rates for New Zealand banks have been observable, they have tended to be 40-50bp more expensive than for Australian banks. Contrary to what some have claimed, the major banks draw very little funding from their Australian parent banks - they are locally incorporated subsidiaries and operate at arms-length. The funding that is recorded as coming from 'associates' largely refers to funding vehicles that are wholly owned subsidiaries of the New Zealand entities. Domestic wholesale funding: This accounts for about 10% of liabilities, again reflecting the limited pool of funds available in the domestic market. (Fund managers are a large potential source of local wholesale funding, but they also qualify as retail customers, and will favour retail deposits if the rates are better). Banks have issued some long-term bonds into the domestic market, and while they're not actively traded, we can use the indicative pricing on these bonds as a guide to the return that investors would demand if a new bond were issued today. As with other types of wholesale funding, the premium above the benchmark swap rate rose from extremely low levels as the credit crisis began, and even more so after the Lehmans collapse (Figure 12). The premium has eased only slightly in the last few months - and again, the benchmark swap rate itself has risen sharply in that time.

On-call deposits: Accounting for 15-20% of liabilities, these generally fall into two categories. Transaction accounts typically have interest rates at or close to zero, so there has been no relief at all from the recent OCR cuts. Savings accounts are typically priced at a margin of several percentage points below the OCR. Initially these rates were marked down in line with the OCR, but more recently, banks have chosen to keep these rates above zero rather than fully matching the OCR cuts. Term deposits: These account for 20-25% of liabilities. In the early stages of the easing cycle, term deposit rates were marked down broadly in line with the OCR. However, with the credit crisis dragging on and wholesale funding remaining expensive and/or difficult to get hold of, banks are increasingly turning back to retail deposits as a relatively stable source of funds. But in order to attract those deposits, banks are having to pay up - so term deposit rates are no longer falling in line with the OCR, and in some cases have risen outright (Figure 13). Six-month deposit rates have gone from roughly flat to 150bp higher against the OCR.

New Zealand's banks are not alone in this regard. While Australian banks have had more success in raising funds offshore, competition for retail deposits has increased as well. In fact, Australian banks are now offering similar rates for some terms: up to 4% for terms of less than a year, and as much as 5-6% for longer terms. Even so, with a cash rate of 3.0% in Australia compared to 2.5% in New Zealand, this shows that the funding premium remains higher in New Zealand. Recent policy developments have added to the upward pressure on deposit rates. The Government introduced a retail deposit guarantee in October 2008, due to fears of a run on banks if depositors sent their money to Australia, which had introduced a similar guarantee at the same time. While the direct cost of the guarantee is minimal (10bp for banks), the indirect effect is that banks are facing greater competition for deposits from finance companies that are also covered by the guarantee. These finance companies tend to offer higher deposit rates - even after paying a higher fee for the guarantee - but are now seen as equally safe in the eyes of depositors. Secondly, for many months the RBNZ has been urging banks to extend the duration of their funding, to reduce their vulnerability to a loss of access to international money markets. That "should do" will soon become a "must do" when the RBNZ introduces its new policy on bank liquidity. The policy will require the major banks to draw a significantly greater share of their funding from more stable - and more expensive - sources, namely, retail deposits and long-term wholesale borrowing. While the details haven't been finalised, banks are already taking steps toward compliance by seeking more retail deposits and by opportunistically accessing long-term funding. Average vs. marginal cost One final issue is that banks' funding extends not just across sources but across time. The previous figures in this section have detailed the rise in the marginal costs of new funding. However, the rise in the average cost of funding has not been as rapid, as banks have gradually replaced cheaper pre-crisis funding at more recent, higher rates - Figure 14 gives a stylised example of this. To the extent that banks focus on the average cost of funds over time, they have been relatively slow to incorporate the rise in funding premia since the credit crisis began. Put another way, if banks focused on the marginal cost of funding instead, it's likely that lending rates would have fallen much less during the most stressful period of the credit crisis in late 2008/early 2009.

Mortgage passthrough As we noted earlier, the level of detail involved makes it impractical to build a bottom-up measure of bank funding costs. However, the evidence presented here seems consistent with our earlier finding that average funding costs have fallen by around 200bps less than the OCR (notwithstanding our point that the OCR is not the ideal benchmark for term funding). This has hindered the passthrough from OCR cuts to lending rates. Table 1 shows the extent of passthrough to key mortgage rates in previous monetary policy cycles, with the high/low points in rates for each cycle. In previous cycles, mortgage rates have generally matched the movements in the OCR, or even exceeded them - as market expectations for OCR cuts/hikes often overshoot at the end of a cycle. This time, the key mortgage rates have fallen by 140-160bp less than the OCR. However, this is more than justified by the estimated 200bp relative increase in funding costs.

Conclusion The recent RBA article concludes: "The recent financial turbulence means that, while the cash rate remains a key influence on banks' funding costs, the costs of the various forms of banks' funding have not fallen as much as the cash rate due to an increase in term premia and credit and liquidity spreads." The same is true in New Zealand, and in fact the pressures on funding costs have been even greater here than in Australia. This has hindered the degree of passthrough from recent policy rate cuts. Even so, the major banks have accepted some narrowing in interest margins to date, in order to pass OCR cuts on to borrowers.

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Intimidation through information overload -

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Intimidation through information overload - we all know that is smoke and mirrors without even bothering to read it - greedy bastards and BS agents...

Lets see an independent expert

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Lets see an independent expert opinion.

I think bank profits are

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I think bank profits are too high, but this commentary seems right to me. The issue is more long term. Bank profits were too high before the credit crunch, and now they are still too high, but a little lower.

It would be nice if banks took less and made it a little easier for business (excluding property speculators who should be taxed till they bleed).

It would also be good if more of those profits stayed in New Zealand (with NZ borrowers, NZ lenders, or even NZ owned banks) to help pay down our collective debt.

The term deposit rates currently

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The term deposit rates currently offered by the banks and what they currently offer on their variuos call deposits including what is generally known as cash fund pie investments the rates have dropped from 8.5% to 4.3% and for cash fund 3.5% in itself alone suggests the Banks have currently increased their margins. The reduction in profit is appearing from impaired loans made before the recession and therefore that loss should be suffered by the banks and not used to confuse the current situation. Those losses should be dealt with separately. Given these rates and the knowledge that approximately 60% of funds is sourced within NZ and using the argument that they are allowing for impaired loans made before the recession is confusing the issues. They should put a circle around the impaired loans and not use that argument to blurr that their margin has reduced because the profit has reduced.

I am yet to be convinced that the banks are not reciving an increased margin on their funds.

@Peter Rama:"Those losses should be

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@Peter Rama:"Those losses should be dealt with separately." Are you saying that previous risk was mispriced and that therfore the margins that Bank's charge before were actually not high enough? If so, then there has been a de facto drop in margins now.

An important point made here

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An important point made here is that the figures previously widely reported by the RBNZ and the politicians (like English, Key etc), which covered all registered banks, and which "proved that" margins had increased in the December 2008 quarter.... were entirely due to one investment bank which has no retail operations in New Zealand, and which was reporting a one-time large margin for the quarter.

Bollard's out bursts are extraordinary. All he and his RBNZ officials' public statements are doing is publicly revealing the full extent of their lack of authority - and the issues the RBNZ bemoans could have been avoided had the RBNZ not had too-loose monetary policy 3-6 years ago.

As for National Government Ministers worthless attacks on banks' profitability - if they don't like it why don't they change the law so that the listed Aussie banks are no longer required to pursue maximum profits for their shareholders. It is an outrage - these taxpayer funded politicians should at least be decent enough to shut it.

"Bollard, English should shut up"

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"Bollard, English should shut up"

So what you are saying is that "Banks" which have a protected priviledged position in the NZ economy should be able to pursure profit without any chance of failure or loss, Can I be in this business?

The obvoius inanity in your rant is that "Banks" are not exposed to the markets in the same way as other businesses are (or if they are they have the means to offset it) and hence it is well within the scope of our Politicos to issue them with warnings if it is felt thet they are exploiting this priviledged position

Neven

Wow. This is a bit

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Wow. This is a bit like the tobacco companies produce their own report saying smoking is justified in healthly lifestyle and infact smoking is good for you and for your lungs. What a truck load of brown doodoo.

Just to save m' fingers, my

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Just to save m' fingers, my tu'pence here:

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/poll-result-45-readers-say-banks-are-prof...

and at June 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm, June 23rd, 2009 at 6:29 pm, June 24th, 2009 at 12:34 pm on that thread.

Come in Matt Nolan, Come

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Come in Matt Nolan, Come in Matt Nolan - just noticed this on Bernard's Tweets list on this site:

"Matt Nolan at TVHE wonders aloud if Westpac admitted collusion in its defence of bank profit margins"

but link to it or your TVHE site do not appear to be working?

So how about just wonder aloud here.

Alex - thanks for your help

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Alex - thanks for your help with that. Red herring methinks, MG => MN. However, reiterates the weakness in mon.pol, from MG.

Any genius' out there that can help with neil c's and my related question here:

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/poll-result-45-readers-say-banks-are-prof...

Cheers, Les.

Once again more smoke screens

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Once again more smoke screens from Donavan. Acting like the New Zealand Branch of Westpac is an independent entity. When infact its ownership is up forsale to anyone at anytime on the worldwide exchange for companies. It is part of what is in the main a privately owned closed loop international banking network. Three main levels, Central Banks(Underwriters), Development/Investment Banks (Subsidiaries or Joint Ventures of/with Central Banks), Listed Commercial Banks(majority stakeholdings held by Central Banks when it suits their purpose.
I have to attend parent teacher meetings this evening, and will not be able to get back until Friday. I will disect this load of David Tripe(pun intended), but until then, sorry Bernard, I would ask that anyone seriously wanting to become financially literate read these links;
One thing is for sure Westpac is not majority owned by Australians. As you will see in the links below at least 50% of the company is owned by foreigners largely hidden in nominee companies.
The company's financials are stored in an image format ensuring that search engines cannot search on the major shareholders in this banking giant (search engines search on text only).
http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/banking/wpac97.html

All four big Australian banks are listed on the Australian Stock Exchange. None have shareholders that have a controlling interest, and their shares are spread around fairly diversely, especially among themselves. While they don't have direct shareholdings in other banks (and are not allowed to by Australian competition law) they do invest customers' money on under their name. According to their respective 2004 Annual Reports for instance, ANZ Nominees is the sixth largest shareholder of Westpac ordinary shares and Westpac Custodian Nominees is the third largest shareholder of ANZ shares. And on it goes.

But in among all that mutual ownership are two big American banks with significant shareholdings (on behalf of their customers) in all four Australian banks; JP Morgan Chase and Citicorp.

JP Morgan Nominees is the largest shareholder of Westpac and CBA with 17.09% and 9.60% holdings respectively. It is also the second largest shareholder of NAB with 10.32% holdings, and its affiliated company, Chase Nominees, is the second largest shareholder of ANZ, with 13.26% of the company.
http://www.finsec.org.nz/flash/flash_0805/following_the_money.aspx

Buried on page 83 of the 89-page Report on Financial Regulatory Reform issued by the U.S. Administration on June 17 is a recommendation that the new Financial Stability Board strengthen and institutionalize its mandate to promote global financial stability. Financial stability is a worthy goal, but the devil is in the details. The new global Big Brother is based in the Bank for International Settlements, a controversial institution that raises red flags among the wary . . . .
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14047

Lets add some balance to

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Lets add some balance to this subject
For those that may not know Westpacs position of impact upon New Zealand as banker to the government. Why since the inception of our own bank(Kiwibank) do we not have it carrying out our government banking, helping reduce our current account deficit?;
Westpac became banker to the New Zealand Government in 1989. Since then we have established and grown a dedicated Government Business team, providing for the day-to-day banking needs of each government department.
http://www.westpacgovtbusiness.co.nz/olcontent/olcontent.nsf/Content/Abo...

Political Donations made by Westpac and their veiws on how things should be run here;
Donations to political parties
2000 WestpacTrust NZ Labour Party $15,000
2000 WestpacTrust NZ National Party $15,000
2001 Westpac Banking Corporation NZ Labour Party $15,000
2001 Westpac Banking Corporation NZ National Party $15,000
2002 WestpacTrust New Zealand First Party $10,000
2002 WestpacTrust New Zealand Labour Party $30,000
2002 WestpacTrust New Zealand National Party $30,000
2003 Westpac New Zealand Labour Party $15,000
2003 Westpac Banking Corporation The New Zealand National Party $15,000
2004 Westpac New Zealand Labour Party $15,000
2004 Westpac Banking Corporation The New Zealand National Party $15,000
2005 Westpac Banking Corporation New Zealand Labour Party $30,000
2005 Westpac Banking Corp The New Zealand National Party $30,000
2006 Westpac Banking Corp New Zealand Labour Party $23,500
2006 Westpac Banking Corp The New Zealand National Party $23,500
2007 Westpac New Zealand Ltd New Zealand Labour Party $15,000
2007 Westpac Banking Corp New Zealand National Party $15,000
Total $327,000
http://theyworkforyou.co.nz/organisations/westpac_nz

A great history of Westpac

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A great history of Westpac and Australian banking, describing a time when the whole world was questioning the privately owned debt based monetary system here;
Fighting Nationalization: Late 1940s

After the war, private Australian trading banks were soon entrenched in another conflict. On August 16, 1947 Prime Minister Ben Chifley announced that the banks would be nationalized. According to Chifley's plan, the Commonwealth Bank (Australia's central bank) would acquire the shares of the private banks and then appoint directors to run them as arms of the central bank. The private banks immediately challenged the constitutionality of nationalization and waged a political war to have the Labour Party ousted and eliminate the threat of other obnoxious legislation. The bankers were successful on both counts. The Australian High Court declared the Bank Act of 1947 unconstitutional because it interfered with the freedom of trade and commerce among the states guaranteed in section 92 of the Australian constitution. In 1949, the Labour Party was overwhelmingly defeated in the general election. It was a major victory for the Bank of New South Wales, the Commercial Bank of Australia, and Australia's other private banks.
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Westpac-Banking-Corpora...

Iain, One thing I have

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Iain,

One thing I have wondered about, since Westpac is the Government's banker. When Treasury issues a bill or a bond it recieves money from the purchaser and sells them a bond. What does it actually do with the money recieved? Is it deposited with an account at Westpac? That hardly seems right. I recall reading somewhere that the Government couldn't change to Kiwibank because it would be "too complicated" for them to handle.

Also I know you provide many links but I haven't seen you link here http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=3016 he says exactly the same things you do. I haven't read this particular post yet.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion/2530105/Saving-growth-pa

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion/2530105/Saving-growth-part-of-re...

"How would you expect an alcoholic to cure himself except by reducing his alcohol consumption and going through the pains of withdrawal?"

Hey dude this was my analogy, but, happy for you to use it.

"There is no doubt that banks are doing everything they can to sustain their profitability, partly by increasing their interest margins. But why exactly is this a source of frustration for politicians and the Reserve Bank?

My concern is that part of the frustration with the behaviour of banks appears to be that high interest rates are preventing households from continuing to borrow and spend so that economic activity is sustained. If so, this is wrong thinking."

In one sense yes, I agree, but note, many SMEs fund via residential mortgages and for such to not see the benefit of rate cuts, as intended via reducing the OCR, impacts as you might expect, see:

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2008/12/22/recession-job-l...

"And the Reserve Bank can play its role by accepting that, in a small economy where credit markets are fully integrated with the wider world, it has no influence on the general levels of interest rates, except for very short-term rates.

It should shift the mechanism for controlling credit growth away from the OCR to counter-cyclical quantitative controls such as capital and liquidity ratios on banks. The current OCR- centred monetary policy is causing excessive volatility in our currency at the expense of our productive export sectors and to the benefit of bank treasury departments - the only ones that profit from currency volatility."

So, time for some re-hab for mon. pol.!!

Bill, if you want to sort "structural" causation of the deficit, here'd be a good place to start. Just refer back to the submissions to the recent mon.pol review. Time to stop denying, swallow the pride medicine and make us ALL better.

English defies the evidence on monetary policy, 20th Feb 2009, at:

http://www.mea.org.nz/media/pressreleases.aspx

Why can't we implement Girol Karacaoglu's suggestion?

Les – this SMH article

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Les "“ this SMH article concerning the "gang of four" was in this morning's print edition of the Dompost under the title "Easy money saved the day"

http://business.smh.com.au/business/big-four-get-even-bigger-and-wind-ba...

"But the overwhelming reason our financial institutions avoided the catastrophic excesses of their American and European cousins is that they so dominated financial services in Australia, they simply didn't need to take the risk. There was too much easy money to be made.

Four institutions now tower above our financial landscape covering everything from banking, wealth management, superannuation and insurance - and everything in between. How they choose to wield that power will be a test of our competition laws, which many believe were loosened during the financial crisis to ensure our banking system did not succumb to the meltdown."

A cynic might conclude that the big four survived the GFC so well because they have a captive market (NZ is no different) that they can gouge at will (no need for risk taking).

neil c - interesting. Us

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neil c - interesting. Us cynics? Yeah right!

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/06/23/poll-result-45-...

Don't forget folks, the questions in the NZMEA survey (linked from above) are not compulsory and question 9 can be answered in isolation. It closes tomorrow.

But for the apathy of .....

We'll see .....

Just for those who keep

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Just for those who keep burying their heads in the sand as to the influence of foreign bankers upon our democracy. The study of institutional memory is a most informative practice. From Jim Bolger speech 1996;

There's been much debate in the political arena on the issue of economic sovereignty. All New Zealanders want to know that their sovereignty is secure and this will certainly be reinforced by the knowledge that government net foreign debt is forecast to be nil at the end of the 1996/97 year, so we will no longer be beholden to the gnomes of Zurich and elsewhere. New Zealand's net worth was positive for the first time at the end of December 1995. The strong growth in the economy, the reduction in payments in areas like unemployment benefit, the virtual elimination of government net foreign debt has all meant the economy was well positioned to announce the largest reduction of personal taxes ever undertaken by a New Zealand government.

Incredibly the Labour Party stated yesterday that the tax cuts are irresponsible. I totally disagree. Ordinary working New Zealanders in my view deserve a tax cut and will get one starting 1 July this year. All this strong, positive, economic news which has caused excitement and admiration around the world is of course up for grabs at the election in 20 weeks time. Put bluntly, the risk is that the recent very successful economic performance will collapse if irresponsible coalitions seek to outbid each other to see who can spend the surplus first and force New Zealand back down the dreary path of debt, higher interest costs and loss of sovereignty to international bankers once more.

In the October 12th election, the first under MMP, an angry or frustrated vote could mean the difference between continuing stable, far-sighted government policies or a return to the black past of inward, xenophobic policies that deny New Zealanders the opportunity to grow and enjoy life. I believe a lot of New Zealanders have yet to realise the enormous difference in the level of responsibility required in voting in this first MMP election. Who remembers Bruce Beetham or Social Credit with their strange economic theories based on printing more money?

15 years ago the political flavour of the day was Social Credit and Bruce Beetham, with Social Credit receiving 31 per cent support in the polls and actually receiving 21 per cent support of votes in the election. This time with New Zealand First there is a similar level of support at this stage but there are big differences possible because of the change to the voting system. The similarities are that the policies of both parties are really quite irrational and are designed only to gather in disgruntled voters from across the political spectrum.
http://executive.govt.nz/93-96/minister/pm/pms240596_1.htm

It should be remembered the Bolgers/Richardsons economic advisor was one Graham Scott, recently appointed as by John Key to oversee the Ministry of Finance.

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