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The Greens have consistently
The Greens have consistently been the party trying to alert us all of the major problems we now face: peak oil and climate change. Labour isn't up with the play but makes some of the right noises. National is still in functional (ie: more than lip service) denial on both counts - planning to build huge roads over the next decade despite the world now being 5 years past the peak produiction of oil from conventional sources. I'll be voting for the party that has shown the most foresight and composing solutins for decades now.....Green.
The rest aren't even in the game.
Good for you Floating
Good for you Floating meme...the greenfly will organise your life for you...is it that hard to see the wood for the trees FM?....
"Prime Minister John Key has again ruled out working with Winston Peters and says if New Zealand First holds the balance of power after the November 26 election, there will be a Labour government"......herald.
There will also be an exodus of capital days before the result......
Good grief, I clicked vote
Good grief, I clicked vote Greens as a joke, because neither National or Labour have the courage to make the real changes that need to be made. (not that I would vote Green...) Looks like so far the majority of readers here so far are as disengaged as I.
Go watch The Age of Stupid
Go watch The Age of Stupid (http://www.spannerfilms.net/films/ageofstupid) and you may change your mind.
Why wouldn't you vote
Why wouldn't you vote green?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10703105
Well Wolly has answered that
Well Wolly has answered that above most perceptively. There would be a huge flight of capital from NZ, we could face a financial melt-down, run on banks = generally a very bad scene. Probably have to bring in a return of Muldoon type controls out of a necessity to try stem the situation. Very scary!
Dang right Muzza and the hint
Dang right Muzza and the hint that such a lockdown could happen will have the flight of the capital starting way before November....mine included. I have not the slightest doubt the 'Goofy secret' amounts to a freeze on currency movements, before he imposes a Goofy tax on the lot.
The economy doesn't run on
The economy doesn't run on money and we have enough real resources in NZ to maintain our economy in the best interests of the people of NZ. What we don't have is enough to make a few people rich.
What we can't afford is rich people.
Enough real resources ? Most
Enough real resources ?
Most of them are buried and those who believe there is a money tree at the end of the garden wont let us touch it in any shape or form.
And as for our
And as for our Corporation—shocking
To think we buy gowns lined with ermine
For dolts that can't or won't determine
What's best to rid us of our vermin!
You hope, because you're old and obese,
To find in the furry civic robe ease?
Rouse up, Sirs! Give your brains a racking
To find the remedy we're lacking,
Or, sure as fate, we'll send you packing!"
Browning nailed it. didn't he?
Tailslide - so far, the Greens are the only ones to address the physical realities. Now that they've got rid of Bradford, there's nobody within a bulls roar of them at the moment.
And there's a lot of folk cottoning on out there. People are growing home vegetables, raising chickens and unloading debt as fast as they can, despite the media - particularly the business media - continuing to drop the ball.
It doesn't take a genius to work out that what is coming isn't what is being trumpeted from either main party.
The greens need to understand
The greens need to understand they can have a more positive impact on how the country is governed, if they stay outside the tent throwing rocks. Oooops sorry...rocks must be left where they are because they have habitats beneath them.....as Labour are well aware.
The Greens have got a real
The Greens have got a real chance.
They'll need money and organisation - and they should get some credible economic advisors behind them to strengthen a new total welfare and tax reform package.
They need to keep on the government debt reduction case - as well as the introduction of new tax instruments. But they must look very hard at the welfare state - lower (zero) taxes for the the lower tax brackets on income are always preferred to "tax credits" (i.e. WFF).
Simplify both tax and welfare - and they're onto something.
AND act on super. Look to Australia - adopting their policies in that regard can't be seen as too harsh on the oldies.
They need to become the party of the hopeful - and that means appealing to those that care about NZ's children and grandchildren.
I might give em a go Kate IF
I might give em a go Kate IF they can show some real economic vision and weed out any Sue Bradford and Metiria Turei fans. So..........i guess i'm not voting again
Greens all the way now that
Greens all the way now that Bradford and locke are gone
They are the only party that truely cares about the future and the long term
They just need to avoid polarising the electorate with people who are using the greens as a badge of convenience for pushing their socialist agenda.
A green agenda is a humanist one - not a socialist one - and they need to make sure they keep to that
As for the others = they are irrelevent
Reality has a radical left
Reality has a radical left bias.
This means that a green agenda is inherently socialist.
My major apologies people. I
My major apologies people.
I overlooked two nationwide political parties that are both in parliament at the moment: ACT and the Maori Party.
They're in there now.
cheers
Bernard
.... we should be thanking
.... we should be thanking you Bernard , for having the good sense to overlook them .......
BH, you've missed an
BH, you've missed an option.....
.....I'm not happy with either major party (Nat-Lab) as I feel Nat haven't done a good job (or have lied about what they said they would do) and Lab have Geoff in charge, who is tanted by being a senior figure in the 'last' Lab Government who didn't do a particular great job, and he's not saying he'll do any thing much different than Lab last time.
Thus 'I'll vote' tactically, making my mind up nearer the time.
Or something that portrays a similar message. i.e. I'll vote tactically and not vote for any of the main parties.
In the absence of this option (or similar), maybe this is why the Greens are doing so well as they are considered to be the only real alternative if you don't trust the main two.
I'd vote CIBR's but I'm
I'd vote CIBR's but I'm dreaming we will ever be 'given' (yes, given!) that option! or..............am I?
What's the Croatian Institute
What's the Croatian Institute for Brain Research ( CIBR ) got to do with the Greens ? ...
..... Had to go that far to find out if there was any grey-matter within the Green Party ............. ?
Coalition for Imaging and
Coalition for Imaging and Bioengineering Research?
Centre for International Boarders Research?
Cosmic Infrared Background
Cosmic Infrared Background Radiation !
If the Greens offer up CIBR's
If the Greens offer up CIBR's then I'm in! Up to you Greens? I represent a great deal of anarchists
I rather vote for capable
I rather vote for capable politicians/ candidates then parties. R. Norman, P. Bennett, Ch. Chauvel and a few others.
There are too many rotten eggs in parties - Brownlee, Joyce etc.. which need to be sacked. We do need a new political culture and make politicians accountable for their actions respectivley inactions, especially now in challenging times.
I would be worried if the
I would be worried if the Greens ever actually got close to this percentage of votes in real life.
It would mean they have been hijacked by the centrist forces within the Party and had truely submitted to the pipedream of seducing the 'mainstream'.
'Be the compromise you wish to see in the world'
Has a certain ring to it, eh?
nah. somewhere about now - as
nah. somewhere about now - as the Club of Rome predicted a long, long time ago - the graphs were going to turn inside-out.
It was obvious that the 'powers that be' would be the wrong ones for the new paradigm. Always are.
Same goes for a fiscal system based on growth (I don't think "I am a millionaire" gets that, quite, yet).
Equally, when 51% of the folk tumble to the fact that the existing crews aren't going to tackle the things that are changing, and to the fact that those changes are going to compromise their kids....
Now I understand why there
Now I understand why there are so many economic illiterates manically raving like asylum patients on this site. It's full of Green Party supporters’ shod in organically recycled vegetable shoes.
Dont'cha think that slicing
Dont'cha think that slicing up vegetables is cruel ? ........ Vegans are total bastards ! Either eat animal products and assist the economy , or suck on water and small rocks only . ........... Hypocritic sods .
Interesting to know David -
Interesting to know David - why are Green Party supporters manically economic illiterates ? Please explain.
David B - anyone who thought
David B - anyone who thought a system unable to survive without exponential growth, is the illiterate.
Anyone who was small-minded enough to think that recent history would project forward forever, has to be bypassed at this point.
What I smell from your bombastic tirade, is fear.
'It's always thus - have you noticed?
To be 'economically literate at this point (believing in exponential growth ad infinitum on a finite planet - doubling-times anyone?) is to be as the church was when Darwin and his contemporary thinkers moved on.
Science beats economics every time - it deals with the real.