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1. The drums are beating - It's just a matter of time, it seems, before the US Federal Reserve starts massive money printing again in the form of buying US Treasury bonds with money created out of thin spreadsheets.
Here St Louis Fed President James Bullard (with a U not an O) is reported by Bloomberg as saying America must start fire up QE II (the second round of Quantitative Easing).
Here's Bullard's full speech on the 'Seven faces of the peril', referring to the risk of a Japanese style deflation for the US economy.
“The U.S. is closer to a Japanese-style outcome today than at any time in recent history,” Bullard said, warning in a research paper released today about the possibility of deflation. “A better policy response to a negative shock is to expand the quantitative easing program through the purchase of Treasury securities.”
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Fed policy makers are considering what actions to take, if any, to spur growth and reduce unemployment should the economy weaken further. Chairman Ben S. Bernanke told Congress last week the Fed could use communication to plot the path of interest rates, cut the rate it pays banks on excess reserves or purchase more bonds.
The Fed signaled last month that Europe’s debt crisis may harm U.S. growth and repeated a pledge to keep interest rates near zero “for an extended period.”
2. A couple of useful quotes from a long time ago - Some of you will have seen these quotes from Thomas Jefferson, but they are worth repeating. HT David via email.
"I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations"
3. When will the penny drop? - The bond vigilantes are dormant in America right now. The US 10 year Treasury bond is at 3%. But what happens when Mr Market wakes up and starts punishing the US for its profligacy.
The drums are beating here too, with Moody's, that paragon of virtue, telling Dow Jones that America's AAA rating will come under scrutiny unless someone (anyone please) comes up with a credible plan.
He said the U.S. appears to have "no plan" to deal with its fiscal situation and much will depend on the domestic political reaction to recommendations due by December from President Barack Obama's commission on fiscal responsibility.Measures which could be proposed include cuts to social security and medicare and the possible introduction of new taxes, Hess said.
"The question then is can they get the votes in Congress to implement any of them, so there is political uncertainty over the ability of the government to actually stabilize the debt levels or reverse the debt trajectory," he said.
He cited examples such as New Zealand, Sweden, Ireland and Canada which in previous decades succeeded in pulling down their debt levels.
"Can the United States do it is the big question right now and we are not sure either way. We will wait and see what happens in the next couple of years on this front."
4. Some curious demographic projections - Just imagine a world in 2050 where Pakistan, Indonesia, Indonesia and Bangladesh had combined populations of 1.2 billion, making them the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th most populous in the world behind India, China and America. That's the forecast in this Population Reference Bureau report. Fascinating reading with big implications.
Big population growth is expected in developing countries, particularly Muslim ones, while populations are likely to fall in developed economies. Mass migration anyone?
5. The Big Basel Backdown - Floyd Norris writes in the New York Times about what really happened in that meeting in Basel this week to decide on tougher rules for banks. Last year the Basel committee promised a crackdown. This week they delivered more backdowns than crackdowns.
It seems to many to be an anticlimax. There was no solid countercyclical proposal. There were backtracking and delay on major parts of the December proposals. The concessions appeared to be aimed at pacifying upset bankers. In December, the Basel committee said that some kinds of dubious “assets” simply could not be counted as part of capital. High on that list was something called “deferred tax assets.” If you don’t understand what that means, it basically is the money a bank will save on taxes when it earns profits in the future.
It is hard to think of an asset that would be less useful in a crisis, but there are others that could be of little use, like nontraded stock in a related financial company. Mortgage servicing rights — the value of a bank’s rights to collect and pass on mortgage payments — also could be hard to monetize in a crisis. In December, none of those assets were to be counted in capital. Now all can be, albeit to a limited extent. Apparently Japanese banks really needed to count the deferred tax assets, Europeans were eager to get credit for shares in related insurance companies, and American institutions wanted to count their mortgage servicing rights.
When it comes to liquidity rules, the revisions greatly soften the assumptions the previous rules made about how severe a crisis might be, and therefore make it easier for banks to appear to be perfectly liquid. The long-term liquidity rules, aimed at dealing with a prolonged downturn, may never see the light of day. They are to be studied and pondered and delayed. If details are ever agreed, they are to take effect in 2018. By then, if history is any guide, there will have been a new, and different, crisis to deal with.
6. Financial reform 'Whack a mole' - The Economist reports here on how Goldman Sachs plans to get around the Volcker Rule passed through the US Congress just weeks ago. The rule was supposed to stop investment banks like Goldman Sachs from using their 'To Big To Fail' government guarantee to gamble on the markets on their own account through their proprietary trading desks.
Now they have a solution... These guys aren't paid the big bucks for nothing.
The firm will basically move its proprietary trading team to its asset management division where traders will have access to Goldman's clients. By reclassifying traders as asset managers and allowing them to take positions on behalf of clients, even one client, the bank circumvents restrictions around proprietary trading.
As Charlie Gasparino says: "Goldman’s move also underscores the weakness in the Volcker Rule, which was designed to reduce the same type of risk-taking activities that led to the 2008 financial meltdown. Simply by labeling a trade “customer related” the firm can still make large market bets, and thus engage in some of the same risk taking the rule was designed to eliminate. "
With the right incentives, markets will always figure a way around restrictions. But this seems a little too soon.
7. No more shitty deals - Goldman Sachs has banned the use of profanities in emails, The Wall St Journal reports. They're not paid all that money to be rude, it seems. They're paid a lot of money not to say embarassing things that eventually end up in the hands of legislators after discovery.
THERE will never be another "shitty" deal at Goldman Sachs Group, at least not in writing. The New York company is telling employees that they will no longer be able to get away with profanity in electronic messages.
That means all 34,000 traders, investment bankers and other Goldman employees must restrain themselves from using a vast vocabulary of oft-used dirty words on Wall Street, including the six-letter expletive that came back to haunt the company at a senate hearing in April.
“(B)oy, that timberwo(l)f was one shitty deal,” wrote Thomas Montag, who helped run Goldman's securities business, in a June 2007 email that was repeatedly referred to at the hearing.
Mr Montag, who couldn't be reached for comment, wouldn't be allowed to send that e-mail under Goldman's sanitised communications policy, which is being enforced by screening software. Even swear words spelled with asterisks are out. In the spirit of the times, there is no written directive specifying which curses are now officially cursed. But screening tools being used by the firm would detect common swear-words and acronyms.
8. Burning a waka full of cash - Telecom CEO Theresa Gattung famously said once that she had burnt her waka on the beaches in Australia, suggesting Telecom was in Australia for good. Of course, Telecom is now selling AAPT. I couldn't help but remember this song below when reading about AAPT. The Australian reports that Telecom looks like it has lost around A$2 billion in its 10 years in Australia.
That is only partly offset by the bumper NZ$2.2 billion it received two years for its other dog, Yellow Pages, which is now likely to fetch around NZ$700 million in the fire sale being organised at the moment by the banks to the private equity firms that was managing money from the poor old Ontario Teachers Pension fund.
9. Wondering what might happen to interest rates in the next couple of years - Have a look at what the Economist is saying the European banks will have to raise in the next couple of years.
Does anyone really think this can be done without longer term interest rates for bank debt rising globally?
Even confident investors, however, may balk at how much debt they will soon be asked to buy. Euro-zone and British firms have €3.3 trillion of bonds to refinance by 2015, three times more than America’s banks. That reflects in part the European banks’ greater size, but also the fact that many countries have more loans than local deposits and some banks’ habit of owning dollar-denominated assets without gathering dollar deposits to fund them.
In the boom it was easy to fill the gap by tapping American money-market funds or securitisation markets.
But they won’t recover their appetite any time soon. Making matters worse, some banks are now competing against their governments, which need to sell piles of debt too.
10. Totally relevant video - Samantha Bee from The Daily Show flirts with a banker and asks some fund managing nuns and priests about Goldman Sachs doing the work of god.
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Now Obama's own fiscal
Now Obama's own fiscal commission is being told the US can't take much more government debt.
Without tough new controls to bring down a $1.5 trillion budget deficit and $13.2 trillion national debt, a fiscal crisis such as Europe is facing could force even more draconian changes, the 18-member, bipartisan panel was warned.
"It could be startlingly abrupt," said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "We're receiving more and more warnings that we may be getting closer."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/07/fiscal-cris...
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Nice piece here from
Nice piece here from Bloomberg on what a slowdown in migration might mean for the Australian economy. A lower growth rate and higher wage growth is the answer.
That's the worst possible combo for New Zealand, because it depresses demand for our manufactured and commodity exports to Australia and increases demand for skilled New Zealanders to emigrate to Australia.
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=asM0velQdmC4
"The consequence of diminished immigration may be a hit of almost half a percentage point to the economic growth rate, according to the Treasury department. With job gains at the strongest since 2006, an end to the current migration program also may foreshadow a spiral of wages that forces the central bank to raise interest rates to contain inflation.
“Once unemployment falls below 5 percent, it’s sort of a danger zone” for the central bank, said Rob Henderson, chief markets economist at National Australia Bank Ltd. in Sydney, who has analyzed the economy for more than three decades and served as an adviser to former Prime Minister Bob Hawke. “Skilled migration forms a very important safety valve in the economy.”
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Bernard
@4: "Just imagine a world in
@4:
"Just imagine a world in 2050 where Pakistan, Indonesia, Indonesia and Bangladesh had combined populations of 1.2 billion, making them the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th most populous in the world behind India, China and America."
Not sure what that is actually supposed to read.
I assume the unmentioned number 3 is India?
If so, then you can't mean:
"Pakistan, INDIA, Indonesia and Bangladesh"
So what is the second Indonesia supposed to be?
Alan.
Alan, My apologies. Yes
Alan,
My apologies. Yes Nigeria is the missing one.
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Bernard
Typo under #4 - Nigeria
Typo under #4 - Nigeria should replace Indonesia (repeated). Yes, the growth in the world muslim population will be the big theme of the 21st century. They tried to take Europe by force but are now doing it through migration and large farmilies in countries like France, UK, Germany etc. Do some research and you'll begin to realise this is an intentional strategy. How long will the Burqa ban last in France?
Thanks for responding Mick.
Thanks for responding Mick.
Yup all those young families
Yup all those young families moving under the guise of seeking a better life are actually part of a huge multi-national conspiracy to take control of anglo-white nations through immigration policies. Riiiiight.
So it's learning mandarin and
So it's learning mandarin and practicing islam.
Micks Many thanks for the
Micks
Many thanks for the subediting. cheers
Bernard
Poor Telecom, just because
Poor Telecom, just because they were big players in NZ and pulled the wool over peoples eyes here, it did not follow that they could do the same over the ditch
It's just a matter of time,
It's just a matter of time, it seems, before the US Federal Reserve starts massive money printing again in the form of buying US Treasury bonds with money created out of thin spreadsheets.
How would the printing of money in the US affect NZ?
It ‘s more of
It ‘s more of case of why the Fed is going to print massive amounts of money the are rightfully terrified of a deflationary spiral.
Which is in the simplest terms, where creditors stop lending, which will keep the credit supply from inflating. And debtors will default, causing the supply of outstanding debt to deflate. This will overwhelm government and central-bank efforts to inflate, and will result in deflation. These trends have already begun. Asset values plunge millions will be ruined. The effective value of cash if you have any rises. Stopping a deflation spiral is almost unknown.
Believe me the consequences for the whole world especially indebted western countries like NZ would be devastating imagine if NZ house prices dropped 40-50% a scenario which is highly possible over coming years.
Now, Colin. You mustn't
Now, Colin. You mustn't frighten the children.
There is some thought, though, that if the Fed. does print, it will be ineffective this time, and actually confirmation of the scenario you outline above, thereby exaserbating the deflationary momentum. It's going to be a trick worth watching, in a macabre kind of way.
So here's a serious question
So here's a serious question - if this deflation occurs what are the consequences for ordinary Joes like us?
If you have lots of debt and no savings or you have lots of savings and no debt?
Who would be better off or would everyone be screwed?
Thanks.
Austere for all ~ But better
Austere for all ~ But better to be the one holding the cash and no debt.
Yep, no matter how good or
Yep, no matter how good or bad the economy is, debt is never anything but bad, despite whatever spin some try to put on it.
The consequences, even if you
The consequences, even if you have alot of debt, are only dire if you do not retain the ability to pay - in other words, of you lose income or if outgoings (including interest rates) rise at a level far in excess of your wages.
The US lending that went so sour, and hence saw so many homes foreclosed on (and the subsequent asset deflation across the board) were quite different debt/mortgage instruments than are typical here.
So to me, the key for our government is to find ways to keep people in private enterprise employed and keep farmers on their land as a means to "weather" the global deleveraging scenario. For starters (for example) they need to focus effort on reducing regulatory compliance costs both in central and local government. To the contrary, the exact opposite is happening - government is our only growth industry where the employment sector is concerned, AND they happen to pay the best wages as well! And, they need to get the NZD under control - Dr Bollard talking the currency down ain't gonna cut the mustard, I'm afraid - he should be acting to return our currency to it's "long-run" average - somewhere in the .50 to the USD range.
NZMEA says: 'Growth
NZMEA says:
'Growth continues at snail's pace'
http://www.realeconomy.co.nz/103-survey_growth_continues_at_sna.aspx
“Many respondents indicated that they were unsure what sort of inflationary pressures the Reserve Bank Governor was reacting to because they do not see much strength in the New Zealand economy and do not foresee any major pick up any time soon. Certainly Alan Bollard’s comment that manufacturing confidence is still elevated has been proved wrong by this survey.” [Doh!]
“It is disappointing to see margins in our tradeable sector being torn to shreds again just when it looked like some rebalancing of the economy was going to occur,” says Mr Walley. A review of the Reserve Bank Act must be an urgent priority for the Government if all the economic rebalancing comments are to be seen as anything more than rhetoric.”
Les says:
Ditto on - "A review of the Reserve Bank Act must be an urgent priority for the Government if all the economic rebalancing comments are to be seen as anything more than rhetoric."
JDI.
Cheers, Les.
www.mea.org.nz
The QE that will happen is
The QE that will happen is set to drive commodity prices higher. It's a sort of 'Commodity vigilante' reaction to a declining US$......
" Investors put $15.4 billion of new money into raw materials in the second quarter, up from the prior three months, Barclays Capital said July 16. We would not be surprised to see fresh money hitting commodities as we head into August, given the rally seen so far in July,” Randy North, a trader at RBC Capital Markets in London, wrote in a report yesterday. “This buying, in turn, will likely trigger further technically driven buying.” Bloomberg
Wally thats Bullshit. From
Wally thats Bullshit.
From Bill Bonner.
Here is where it gets so interesting we can barely sit still. Ben Bernanke is threatening to drop money from helicopters (quantitative easing). In a better world, a banker who threatened to inflate the currency would be punished immediately. People would take him at his word. They would dump his paper money immediately. The price of it would drop. He'd be forced to protect it.
But this time it really is different. As Ben Bernanke himself put it, even the "credible threat" of monetary inflation by the central bank should be enough to cause people to want to spend paper money rather than save it. Thus, Bernanke promised, he can always speed up the velocity of money and thereby bring about a boom, of sorts, simply by threatening to drop money from helicopters.
But lately he threatens. And still the dollar holds firm. Why? Because the threat is not credible.
Oh what a wicked twist of fate. What has this world come to when a central banker cannot roll the currency markets and whack speculators?
Usually, central bankers are careful to give the impression that they will protect their currencies. Even while they are actually undermining them with monetary inflation. Investors catch on after they've been shellacked a couple times. Then, the central banker loses credibility and the currency falls.
But this time, Ben Bernanke actually wants investors to believe he WILL undermine the dollar. He wants to stimulate spending and investing by encouraging people to get rid of greenbacks rather than save them. But people don't believe him.
Inflation is only really a threat, we conclude, when central bankers are pretending to prevent it...not when they're trying to cause it.
But why won't Ben Bernanke drop money from helicopters? Because he's got a rope around his neck...and it's getting tighter. As long the US can finance its deficits at low interest rates, he can't move. It's uncomfortable, but it's a damned sight better than hanging. More on this as we figure it out.
Regards,
Bill Bonner
There's munny in bullshit
There's munny in bullshit andrewj....Bill leaves out the fact that one term wonder Obama has just borrowed about 40 billion to pay the troops...and he will borrow more to buy the mid term elections...Barry Obama gets it from the US Treasury and they get it by flogging pretty bits of paper in the bond market..only the buyer is Ben...you see Ben gets his mate at the BoE to feed the buys through the BoE and that way he hides the QE going on. Trot off to the Oracle site Andrew and have yourself a happy weekend of reading..don't forget the popcorn!
FYI the connections of Former
FYI the connections of Former National PM Jenny Shipley and current Labour PM Raymond Huo to the Natural Dairy/May Wang/Jack Chen bid for Crafar is detailed here by Karyn Scherer at the Herald.
How curious.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10662262
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Bernard
Curiouser and curiouser
Curiouser and curiouser indeed!
Interesting that Mr Chen apparently moved to NZ in 2002 - and that Ms Wang is a recent immigrant as well. I'd be ever so interested to understand under what qualifying criteria they got their NZ residency.
andrewj - nice to see you
andrewj - nice to see you commenting again - had a good holiday?
Don't be too cocky about
Don't be too cocky about having savings during a depression.
The NZ Government intervened to dramatically lower mortages by decree to what was affordable to the borrowers during the 30's to ensure the stability of the system and fairness. Many lost their life's savings.
Tough if you had financed a new farmer onto your farm.
Reminds me of the guy who saw the war coming in Europe so took his family as far away as possible to avoid the bloodshed - went to Guadacanal !
QE - Let's just call it what
QE - Let's just call it what it really is ZE or Zimbabwe Economics
Outcome will be the same !
The NZ Government intervened
The NZ Government intervened to dramatically lower mortages by decree to what was affordable to the borrowers during the 30's to ensure the stability of the system and fairness. Many lost their life's savings
OK mate, I admit it, you lost me. How does forcing down mortgages impact the savings in a bank account of those with no mortgage? Or even for those with a mortgage for that matter?
He means that by doing so it
He means that by doing so it caused the Depression and reduced the value of savings.
Yeah? That's what caused the
Yeah? That's what caused the Great Depression here in NZ?
And to think, there was me believing it was because much of the western world's economies had all-but collapsed.
No doubt it was a Labour government too, and Helen Clark was PM.
So pretty much the loan
So pretty much the loan modifications that are/have been going on the States today then? And look where that has got them! Loan modifications may hve an impact ( for the better?) for the mortgage holder, but unless we get negative interets rates on savings, how does that affect core savings in a the bank? In a Depression or dflationary period, those savings buy more of what one needs?
Anonymous: OK mate, I
Anonymous:
OK mate, I admit it, you lost me. How does forcing down mortgages impact the savings in a bank account of those with no mortgage? Or even for those with a mortgage for that matter?
Rather simple really - the banks which held the deposits had lent to mortgage borrowers
who no longer had to pay back their loans were unable to pay their depositors.
When it rains we all get wet !
Surely the objective of
Surely the objective of forcing down the loan rates was to make sure that the loans were repaid? Protection for the depositors money? The raincoat?
Sorry, they didn't force down
Sorry, they didn't force down the loan rates - they often halved the amount outstanding !
It's clear that you have no
It's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.
In fact anonymous you are the
In fact anonymous you are the one who has forgotten the NZ history. The Labour government simply cancelled the "third mortgages" as the "weight of debt" due to the deflation of the great depression became too much to bear - when will the land claims be heard?
It may have been neccessary but that doesn't make it equitable.
The Labour government simply
The Labour government simply cancelled the "third mortgages" as the "weight of debt" due to the deflation of the great depression became too much to bear...
You have to wonder if this govt has the balls to not cancel mortgages should serious deflation occur.
It'd be great to be able to believe they can tell all those 3-or-more-houses-owning pigs to suffer the consequences of their greed.
If they did, the young people those PIs have priced out of home-ownership, and people with savings and no debt, would be very hard-pressed to keep a straight face.
FYI house prices are now
FYI house prices are now falling in Australia
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/House-prices-fall-07-in-June-flat-in-quarter-pd20100730-7U3QS?OpenDocument&src=hp1
After 17 consecutive months of solid growth, dwelling values across Australia’s capital cities recorded their first monthly decline of 0.7 per cent in June, according to the RP Data-Rismark Hedonic Home Value Index.
This was the largest monthly fall in home values since April 2008.
"This represents a striking deceleration in the quarterly rate of increase in home values," RP Data said.
It seems the UK govt is to
It seems the UK govt is to hold a referendum to see if voters want the right to be able to veto council rate rises that are above the rate of inflation.....now that's a bloody good idea...anyone like to guess how long it will take the Noddy govt to catch on?
But - is it a binding
But - is it a binding referendum? Any why only hold local government tax rises to the rate of inflation? Moreover - why do they need a referendum - could just do a poll and legislate a result immediately.
Simply more silly stalling to appease the masses.
Which regional council is
Which regional council is closest to going under!...the belief many have that they can suck more and more cash from the community and only good can come from it...each time the rates rise it takes more of the disposable income that would have gone into the shops and the service sector...retailers close down...families leave town....council rates revenue drops...and so they put the rates higher!...go figure....sooner or later the only ones left are the council staff handing their pay back to the council so it can afford to pay the council staff. Every other bugger and all the oldies have gone...
This like the referendum they
This like the referendum they have in California.
Everyone votes for more spending, no one votes for more taxes.
Look where that has got them.
This is a fascinating read at
This is a fascinating read at Fabius Maximus
http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/19752/
"Eventually Congress will enact a large-scale fiscal stimulus (and the will Fed monetize it, as necessary). Much depends on how quickly they respond, the size of the package, and how well they craft it. There will be great pressure to design this according to trickle-down economics: tax cuts for the rich, so that they might spend some of it on consumption and investment (rather than save it, which is fact where most of it will go). And direct aid to politically powerful constituencies (i.e., agribusiness, government unions, large corporations).
"Building useful infrastructure and advanced education would be valuable, but do little to re-elect congressmen. Our ability to overcome this political gravity will test our political cohesion and collective wisdom."
"The great recession marks the end of the post-WWII global political/economic regime, and the transition to a new era. The transition might be short and relatively smooth. The two previous transitions were neither. They lasted 3 decades (1789-1815, 1914-1945). We can make some guesses about this period.
"The political dynamics of this downturn are murky, as the governments of most western nations have lower levels of legitimacy than they did in 1914 and 1950. Hence their ability to respond by increasing government regulation, as they did in the 1930′s and after WWII, seems problematic.
The two past transitions were scarred by long wars. With nukes ending the era of conventional war, a difficult transition might see new modes of conflict. "
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Bernard
Thanks for that Bernard,
Thanks for that Bernard, good read from a source I haven't read before.
This caught my attention
"There will be great pressure to design this according to trickle-down economics: tax cuts for the rich"
How'd ya think that'll go down?
The average Joe is out of work, in debt up to the eyeballs and suffering the full effects of the recession, ending of UE benefits and austerity measures while the already wealthy get a tax cut. Revolution, pitchforks and Guillotines come to mind.
Timmy Geithner is currently trying (pretending) to sell the repeal of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Presumably to try and introduce some credibility into their "plan" of eventually working towards a more balanced budget sometime within the next 100 years or so, maybe.
As Moodys say (#3) "there is no plan". The worlds wealthiest nation, holder of the reserve currency, beacon of freedom and justice has fully lost the plot and in danger of doing something truly stupid. The Republicans are looking edgy and dangerous, the Dems look lost. Interesting times.
Re # 1 If you managed to
Re # 1
If you managed to read 'The Dying Of Money' on zerohedge before it was pulled you would have seen the massive printing of money 'worked' for Germany from 1914 -1921. The reason is that inflation is caused by increases in amount of currency times velocity (a tricky idea to measure but basically how many times each dollar is used in a transaction each year).
During the period 1914-21 there was massive printing but the velocity declined. At some point the velocity suddenly increased and inflation took off. As inflation increased the rush to buy things and get rid of the money increased. This increased the velocity until it was estimated that the total M1 was transacting every hour.
This is the danger ot QE, it works without inflation as long as the velocity decreases. At some point there is a tipping point and the velocity inceases very quickly. The Fed think they can pick this tipping point and reduce the money supply quickly before inflation takes off, but have my doubts.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-read-sought-after-dying-mone...
The book also points out that the Germany economy (measured in USD or Gold) was the same size after the hyperinflation as before. What changed was who held the wealth. Anyone who's wealth was held in money eg savings had nothing. Those who had debt and physical assets become wealthly as the debt inflated away to nothing.
Kate- too many people, too
Kate- too many people, too much demand, too few resources and opportunies.
Means we have gone past the time where you could have no regulation. Ecan/water is a classic example, where even the current legislation was inadequate, but under pressure (ha) to be even more heavily utilised.
Those who complain about regulation, are actually complaining about the lack of 'opportunities', which are nothing more than the limits to growth.
You can fish till the last fish is taken, or you can recognise limits, and have a quota system. Based on a sustainable catch.
Same for water take, water quality, land use, wise use of infrastructure (try sewering ribbon development, as we grappled with in the old County Council days.
Governance and regulation are needed, now more than ever, but - they will probably be overwhelmed. Those running just about all systems, are expert in the current paradigm.
She'd be a crash piece of mass professional development, at this late stage. Look at the denial thus far....
A nice read to start the
A nice read to start the weekend..stuff here for all..not stuff all!
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article21506.html
Can we assume that since you
Can we assume that since you are happy to spruik copper, you will end your criticism of those who spruik property?
Or are you going to remain a hypocrite forever?
Haha...that got you out from
Haha...that got you out from under your rock...
You didn't answer the
You didn't answer the question.
What has copper got to do
What has copper got to do with property sprookers...pointing out facts about the world copper market is not misleading families about what they should pay for property. Back under your rock you go.
The majority of your posts
The majority of your posts on this site promote copper and copper investment, yet you often criticise people for promoting property investment.
Hypocrisy.
Rot...some of my posts are
Rot...some of my posts are about copper and gold...most are about the useless Labour govt that left us with a bubble of debt...some are about the current mob in wgtn who think sitting on the fence will solve things and the rest are about a whole range of stuff. Now and then I poke a stick into the nest of property sprookers because they deserve it.
Your copper investments are
Your copper investments are well known because you often mention them and urge others to invest too, "before it's too late". And you are also known for criticising those who spruik property. See the hypocrisy there yet? The rest of us can.
You silly sod...didn't you
You silly sod...didn't you buy any pna when they were 48cents...oh that explains your wee moody tantrum...missed out did we!...never mind ducky...Property sprookers deserve to be criticised. What good do they do? Off you go anon....find a young family to con into paying way too much for roof over their head.
Sorry to snatch away that
Sorry to snatch away that straw, but I'm not a property investor and never have been. What I am is somebody who detests hypocrisy.
If I were sprooking property
If I were sprooking property while rubbishing others who did so, that would be hypocrisy. Offering info on copper that is available over the net, if you bother to look, while rubbishing property sprooking...is not hypocrisy. Your logic is lacking.
So you'll refrain from
So you'll refrain from babbling about how "safe" copper is and how "It's the thing to be in" from now on?
Alternatively, if you won't stop promoting copper futures, are you going to stop criticising property investors?
As already stated, I am not a property investor.
Never said it was safe...did
Never said it was safe...did say it was high risk...never compelled you to take any notice!...did suggest it was a commodity to hold given the fact supply cannot meet demand...have made a fortune in it.......
No I am not going to stop being critical of people who are out to sprook the property market when it can do so much harm to families not aware of the bubble situation and the propensity for a collapse or slow decline over a decade. If you don't like that..tough.
The market for copper is said to be heading into a 2011 shortage and the investment houses are calling a rise in prices. That is fact. So companies extracting the metal should see share price lifts. But none of that removes the fact that it is high risk.
Isn't it good to know that at
Isn't it good to know that at least our Councils aren't short of mullah(when everyone else is
apparently cutting back). $1950 per head "leadership' courses for middle management at a Queenstown resort
"The Institute for Strategic Leadership says its six-day course is intended to help senior executives discover their leadership style and lead change."
Please could they be taught not to look like they are chewing a wasp when they appear on TV?
If anything can destroy the
If anything can destroy the housing shortage myth, it's the fact that councils aren't opening up every tract of land to property developers.
Unless the property developer
Unless the property developer is a "special friend" of course.
go gettem' Wally!
go gettem' Wally!
Jeez Rob...can we send you
Jeez Rob...can we send you some of our weather mate...the warning out down south is for 300mm tonight and over 60mph across the plains...CHCH will be blown onto the Port hills.
Trucks will be doing the hootsee tootsee along HW1....cyclists on a 45 degree lean...trees that aint down are coming down...roofs will sailing away...and the insurance companies will be flogging new policies like billyoh right now.
This - from Jesse's Cafe - is
This - from Jesse's Cafe - is a good summary of where we are at:
To say now that 'No one knew' or 'I was mistaken' or 'I was just doing as I was told' is another in a series of lies and deceptions that have supported one of the greatest frauds in the history of the world.
But this is not history. This episode of fraud is still playing itself out now. And to fail to understand the depth and breadth of this madness is to place oneself in peril, and in the power of those who are twisting the Western economic and political system even now to satisfy their lust for wealth and power. You are only successful if you can keep what you kill.
Glass-Steagall fell after a decade long campaign involving hundreds of millions in lobbyist money spread lavishly around the Congress, led by Sanford Weil of Citibank, supported by key banking and political figures in the Congress and at the Fed. It involved Senator Phil Gramm, who helped to put a stake in the heart of the financial regulatory process under the Reagan free markets banner, and who recently said the problem is that the middle class were a bunch of whiners. As did his wife Wendy, who as the chairperson of the CFTC had exempted Enron from regulatory oversight, and then left to take a position there on its board of directors.
Like the Mortgage Backed Securities scandal it involved surprisingly few principal players, like Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin, who used their power and influence to silence and ostracize critics, and promote a climate of reckless disregard for the public trust under the meme of 'efficient markets' and deregulation. This might have been an innocent policy error if it did not involve premeditated theft on a massive scale, followed by cover ups, denials, and a control fraud that exists even today.
But it also involved literally thousands of collaborators and enablers, from mainstream media people, economists, analysts, and other thought leaders to politicians and regulators who saw that it was to their advantage to at least passively support this scheme which they knew very well was a fairy tale, a fraud, class warfare by a new name, but were able to hide their own guilty consciences behind self-serving rationalization and the shield of plausible deniability.
History, and hopefully the justice system, will sort this all out. It is difficult, even now, to get one's mind around the enormity of it. This is its most powerful weapon. Who could be such monsters, so amoral, so destructively sociopathic? Future generations will regard it as an episode of madness, driven by a few people in a tight circle of self-reinforcing thought, people with remarkably similar cultural and educational backgrounds, driven by a consuming lust for power, that were able to dupe and delude an entire nation made vulnerable by propaganda, a co-opted press, and apathy.
In the meanwhile all the great mass of people can do is to watch, and wait, and seek to protect themselves from these ravening wolves grown increasingly desperate, as their arrogance comes to a tragic fall. They can vote out incumbents, but the parties choose the candidates, and too often they resemble competing crime families of special interests more than pillars of a representative government, saying one thing to get elected and doing another thing once in office.
This is the approach of trouble when hubris is at its height, and the few feel they have everything to gain and nothing to lose, if only they can gain more power, and necessarily become more ruthless. They are trapped in a cycle of fear and greed. The fear provokes the lies and the cover ups, but the greed promotes the extension of the fraud and the theft, requiring even more lies and cover ups. The operative word is 'over reach,' in a classic late stage Ponzi scheme. This will undoubtedly add to the confusion as the truth is assaulted by the big lie.
The last vestiges of polite society are often shed as the downfall reaches it final conclusion, at the end, when all is revealed, at last. And so there will be great danger.
Well that's cheery reading on
Well that's cheery reading on a cold winters evening ( or is' The' winter soon about to unfold before our very eyes?). Thx, L!
Reports doing the rounds
Reports doing the rounds suggest Bernanke is going to ease again...quite how is another point. Clearly he is determined to drive Wall street higher. That would put some fat on the assets the Fed bought and make the books look good. It would also help out Obama in the mid terms cos the dude looks set to become a lame Duck. I spose that's one better than becoming a lame Turkey with xmas closing in. Glenn Beck is still hard at it trying to scrape democrats from the soles of his sneakers..it's work for the soul man.
Wooops...dairying just took a
Wooops...dairying just took a blow...nothing like inducing calves to destroy a reputation...tv1 at tea time..isn't that great!
they been doing that for 30
they been doing that for 30 years wally. just like they been filling our rivers with shite. no-one cares.
Aussie Banks’
Aussie Banks’ $14.2Trillion “Time Bomb”
http://barnabyisright.com/2010/07/30/aussie-banks-14-2t-time-bomb/
Paulg - We're screwed both
Paulg - We're screwed both ways. If we are in too much debt, then the banks will clean us out when interest rates rise. If we are prudent and debt free and put all our savings with them, then inflation and/or their possible insolvency will also wipe us out.
"Inflation has now been
"Inflation has now been institutionalized at a fairly constant 5% per year. This has been scientifically determined to be the optimum level for generating the most revenue without causing public alarm. A 5% devaluation applies, not only to the money earned this year, but also to all that is left over from previous years. At the end of the first year, a dollar is worth 95 cents. At the end of the second year, the 95 cents is reduced again by 5%, leaving its worth at 90 cents, and so on. By the time a person has worked 20 years, the government will have confiscated 64% of every dollar he saved over those years. By the time he has worked 45 years, the hidden tax will be 90%. The government will take virtually everything a person saves over a lifetime."
– G. Edward Griffin
Another great quote for the evening...
Actually, I calculated it to
Actually, I calculated it to be somewhere around 6% if you look at M1 figures. That's why gold is such a safe harbor. It can't be printed.