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Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Barack Obama's trade double-speak; An Irish Dr Doom; Why QE II won't work; Aussie house auction flop; Dilbert

Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Barack Obama's trade double-speak; An Irish Dr Doom; Why QE II won't work; Aussie house auction flop; Dilbert

Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 to 11 am, brought to you in association with New Zealand Mint for your reading pleasure.

I welcome your additions and comments below, or please send suggestions for Wednesday's Top 10 at 10 via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop any surplus suggestions I get into the comment stream.

1. What Barack Obama really thinks about trade reform - Here's what Barack Obama wrote in a New York Times Op Ed about his plans for US trade reform and his strategy for economic growth.

He made it clear trade reform is all about increasing US exports, it's not about increasing US imports.

Those who think New Zealand might receive any meaningful concessions in any Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal should read this.

They should also remember that Australia's sugar and beef farmers got done over in the Australian free trade deal with America and there's a big risk for us that the pharmaceutical, movie and farm lobbies will do us over too in any FTA.

Here's Obama.

We want to be known not just for what we consume, but for what we produce. And the more we export abroad, the more jobs we create in America.

In fact, every $1 billion we export supports more than 5,000 jobs at home. It is for this reason that I set a goal of doubling America’s exports in the next five years.

To do that, we need to find new customers in new markets for American-made goods. And some of the fastest-growing markets in the world are in Asia, where I’m traveling this week.

We want to expand our trade relationships in the region, including through the Trans-Pacific Partnership, to make sure that we’re not ceding markets, exports and the jobs they support to other nations.

2. An Irish Dr Doom - University College Dublin Economics Professor Morgan Kelly has written this compelling piece on how Ireland is insolvent and about to be taken over by German central bankers. HT Robert.

For a country or company, insolvency is the equivalent of death for a person, and is usually swiftly followed by the legal process of bankruptcy, the equivalent of a funeral. Two things have delayed Ireland’s funeral.

First, in anticipation of being booted out of bond markets, the Government built up a large pile of cash a few months ago, so that it can keep going until the New Year before it runs out of money. Although insolvent, Ireland is still liquid, for now. Secondly, not wanting another Greek-style mess, the ECB has intervened to fund the Irish banks.

Not only have Irish banks had to repay their maturing bonds, but they have been haemorrhaging funds in the inter-bank market, and the ECB has quietly stepped in with emergency funding to keep them going until it can make up its mind what to do. Since September, a permanent team of ECB “observers” has taken up residence in the Department of Finance. Although of many nationalities, they are known there, dismayingly but inevitably, as “The Germans”. So, thanks to the discreet intervention of the ECB, the first stage of the crisis has closed with a whimper rather than a bang.

Developer loans sank the banks which, thanks to the bank guarantee, sank the Irish State, leaving it as a ward of the ECB. The next act of the crisis will rehearse the same themes of bad loans and foreign debt, only this time as tragedy rather than farce. This time the bad loans will be mortgages, and the foreign creditor who cannot be repaid is the ECB. In consequence, the second act promises to be a good deal more traumatic than the first.Ireland faced a painful choice between imposing a resolution on banks that were too big to save or becoming insolvent, and, for whatever reason, chose the latter.

Sovereign nations get to make policy choices, and we are no longer a sovereign nation in any meaningful sense of that term. From here on, for better or worse, we can only rely on the kindness of strangers.  

3. 'The real reason QE II won't work' - The US Federal Reserve may try to lower market interest rates to boost lending out to businesses and households, but it won't work because US banks are still repairing their damaged balance sheets through a government guaranteed 'carry trade' where they borrow from the Fed at 0.25% and lend back to the government at 2%.

It's much easier and less risky than lending to businesses.

Essentially it's a massive transfer of private debt to the public sector with a bunch of juicy bonuses being paid to bankers on the way through.

Bloomberg has a nice piece explaining the problem of reluctant lenders and borrowers castrating the Fed.

Rather than providing money to businesses and consumers, U.S. commercial banks are increasingly using the cash available at interest rates set by the Federal Reserve that are next to zero and lending it back to the government. Since June, the biggest banks bought about $127 billion of Treasuries, compared with $47 billion in the first half, according to the central bank. Commercial and industrial loans outstanding have fallen by about $68.5 billion this year, central bank data show.

Between November 2008 and March 2010 the Fed bought $1.7 trillion of mortgage-related and Treasury debt. Over that time, banks bought $226 billion of government and related debt, while commercial and industrial loans outstanding fell by $367.4 billion.

Before companies borrow to expand, they will likely tap into their cash, said Art Steinmetz, the chief investment officer in New York at OppenheimerFunds Inc., which manages about $165 billion.

“A credit crunch caused the recession; it is not accurate to run the logic in reverse and say an extension of credit will get us out of recession,” Steinmetz said. “The banks will lend to good credit, but good credit is not interested in borrowing.” 

4. 'Oops. It didn't sell. Wonder why...' - Bloomberg reports the much hyped auction of Australian luxury properties at the Sydney Opera House yesterday was a big flop as the nerves grow in Australia about the bubble that is the housing market.

The banks are whistling with increasing shrillness that there's nothing to see here and we can all move along, but the foreign investors and a few smart locals such as Steve Keen know the score.

An auction of Australian luxury homes held at the Sydney Opera House raised A$4.1 million ($4.1 million), less than the A$30 million of properties that were put up for sale, less than a week after borrowing costs increased. Only two out of the 11 homes on offer were sold. The auction was a test of demand for a housing market the International Monetary Fund said may be overvalued by as much as 15 percent. The event took place less than a week after the Reserve Bank of Australia raised its benchmark interest rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 4.75 percent and said it welcomed a cooling in house prices.  

5. Not a popular policy - Ben Bernanke's printathon is taking a real hammering in the debate-o-sphere. Here's fund manager and former Economics Professor John Hussman calling Bernanke ignorant. It is today's Must read.

Hussman also makes some ominous points about the long term returns on the S&P 500 likely to be less than 5% over the next decade.

While the announcement of QE2 itself was met with a rather mixed market reaction on Wednesday, the markets launched into a speculative rampage in response to an Op-Ed piece by Bernanke that was published Thursday morning in the Washington Post. In it, Bernanke suggested that QE2 would help the economy essentially by propping up the stock market, corporate bonds, and other types of risky securities, resulting in a "virtuous circle" of economic activity.

Conspicuously absent was any suggestion that the banking system was even an object of the Fed's policy at all. Indeed, Bernanke observed "Our earlier use of this policy approach had little effect on the amount of currency in circulation or on other broad measures of the money supply, such as bank deposits." Given that interest rates are already quite depressed, Bernanke seems to be grasping at straws in justifying QE2 on the basis further slight reductions in yields.

As for Bernanke's case for creating wealth effects via the stock market, one might look at this logic and conclude that while it may or may not be valid, the argument is at least the subject of reasonable debate. But that would not be true. Rather, these are undoubtedly among the most ignorant remarks ever made by a central banker.  

It is difficult to interpret Bernanke's defense of QE2 as anything else but an attempt to replace the recent bubble with yet another - to drive already overvalued risky assets to further overvaluation in hopes that consumers will view the "wealth" as permanent. The problem here is that unlike housing, which consumers had viewed as immune from major price declines, investors have observed two separate stock market plunges of over 50% each, within the past decade alone.

While investors have obviously demonstrated an aptitude for ignoring risk over short periods of time, it is a simple fact that raising the price of a risky asset comes at the sacrifice of lower long-term returns, except when there is a proportional increase in the long-term stream cash flows that can be expected from the security. As a result of Bernanke's actions, investors now own higher priced securities that can be expected to deliver commensurately lower long-term returns, leaving their lifetime "wealth" unaffected, but exposing them to enormous risk of price declines over the intermediate (2-5 year) horizon. This is not a basis on which consumers are likely to shift their spending patterns.

What Bernanke doesn't seem to absorb is that stocks are nothing but a claim on a long-term stream of cash flows that investors expect to be delivered over time. Propping up the price of stocks changes the distribution of long-term investment returns, but it doesn't materially affect the cash flows. This reckless policy has done nothing but to promote further overvaluation of already overvalued assets. The current Shiller P/E above 22 has historically been associated with subsequent total returns in the S&P 500 of less than 5% annually, on average, over every investment horizon shorter than a decade.

6. Trade finance worries - FT.com reports HSBC and Standard Chartered are now lobbying for rewrite of the Basel III rules around trade finance, arguing world trade could be severely hampered without changes. Here's Gareth Vaughan's story from October 12 reporting the risk of a five-fold increase in trade finance costs because of Basel III.

HSBC, among the banks that dominate the trade finance market, said last week that it was not prepared to forecast its future capital ratios under the Basel III regime, mainly because of the unfairness of the rules’ treatment of trade finance, one of its core businesses.

Last month Karen Fawcett, head of transaction banking at StanChart, told a conference: “If the regulations are implemented as they are currently written, we could be seeing a 2 per cent fall in global trade and a 0.5 per cent fall in global GDP.”

7. 'Back it with gold' -  Reuters reports The new chair of the House subcommittee for monetary policy in the new Republican-dominated US congress, Ron Paul, thinks the US dollar should be backed by Silver and Gold. He has also written a book called 'End the Fed'. Paul's son Rand, a Tea Party favourite will be a Republican senator.

Paul said his subcommittee would also push to examine the country's gold reserves and highlight the views of economists who believe that economic downturns are caused by bad monetary policy, not the vagaries of the free market.

Global organizations like the International Monetary Fund also will come under scrutiny, he said. "Eventually we're going to have monetary reform. I do not believe the dollar can be the reserve standard of the world," said Paul, who has called for returning the United States to a currency backed by gold or silver.  

8. Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble - Reuters reports a bubble in farmland prices may be developing in the US midwest. I wonder how all this will end.

Bernanke is suppressing interest rates and printing money which is squeezing out the sides of a flattened US economy into asset prices in commody markets and emerging economies.

This will not end well.

Sales of everything from compact tractors to combines have jumped at Jim Lichtenberg's Nebraska store this year as farmers try to make the most of a boom in corn and soybean prices. "Yields were good this year and crop prices are real good right now, so guys have been spending some money," said Lichtenberg, who has worked as a salesman for Johnson Farm Equipment in Fremont for 10 years. He estimates sales have risen by as much as 40 percent this year.

Surging grain prices and growing investor interest are lifting farmland prices in the Midwest, and bank regulators fear that another U.S. bubble may be inflating. Farmland prices are 58 percent above their 2000 levels in inflation-adjusted terms, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. That's about how much residential real estate prices rose in the United States from 2000 through 2004.

Grain prices are rising because of demand for grain-fed meat from emerging middle classes in India and China, and crop production problems globally, including a drought in Russia. Investors like farmland because they see it as a safe asset that generates income. They also benefit from the Federal Reserve's low interest rates, which are prompting investors to seek high yields in commodities.  

9. American food subsidies - The Onion reports that a misplaced decimal point in the Farm Relief and Reform Act of 2010 has unleashed a wave of soy bean production across America.

Days after the accidental passage of a bill allocating $30 trillion in federal subsidies to soybean producers, a massive tide of the protein-rich legumes has flooded the nation, crippling transportation networks, commerce, and public utilities, and profoundly disrupting American life. "Soybeans are everywhere," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said Wednesday, noting that all 406 million acres of arable land in the United States have been converted to soybean cultivation as farmers sought a share of funds worth more than twice the gross domestic product.

"Many citizens have shoveled out their driveways only to find that schools and businesses have been shut down. Millions more remain trapped indoors as windblown soybean drifts cover entire houses."

"For most, simply getting to the grocery store has become impossible," Vilsack continued. "Not that grocery stores have much in them besides soybeans at this point." According to sources within the House Appropriations Committee, a misplaced decimal point deep inside the 279-page Farm Relief and Reform Act of 2010 increased the soy subsidy by roughly 1.75 million percent, precipitating the nationwide glut. Damage from the continent-spanning blanket of soybeans—which ranges in depth from five feet in the nation's heartland to six inches along the coasts and in Hawaii—has been severe.

All major metropolitan areas are reporting clogged sewers and streets; several counties in Nebraska have become invisible beneath towers of soybeans; and a dense patch in the Gulf states has begun fermenting into a thick, pungent soy sauce.

Obviously it's not true. ;) But there's an element of truth in this...

10. Totally irrelevant video - How to do an internet startup. "This time it's different. It will go viral," she said.

"OMG. You make me want to commit to Seppuku with a butter knife and strangle myself with my own intestines..," he said.

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Re #4. "Only two out of the 11 homes on offer were sold.....The properties were marketed in Australia and Asia and drew interest from bidders based in Singapore, China and Indonesia,..."

So even the Chinese aren't paying up now !

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Of the two that did sell , were they above or below the asking price , Bernard ?

I think that it is a long bow to draw , to compare the possible " failure "  of an auction of luxury homes , to the housing markets as a whole .

What % of homes put up for auction , actually sell under the hammer , anyway ?

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Actually, you may just be right - the Chinese aren't paying!  They were saying that the Aussie housing market was being propped up in part by interest from foreigners.  With the AUD so high and the RMB still effectively tied to the falling USD, suddenly Aussie real estate is a whole lot more expensive to many overseas purchasers.

 

QE2 may yet be the pin that pricks the Aussie housing bubble...

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Nicholas: I think that the timing for that auction was terrible, just the week after the FED shocked the financial world with QE II you can't expext to sell big ticket items

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None so blind.....

Ireland used - until recently - to be a land of rolling green hills. Now, I'm told, you can't find a place where housing isn't in your face.

The problem wasn't planners, or lack of cheap land.

It was greed.

Which appears to still have a voice.

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Probelm with US wanting to become an exporting country is that there operating costs are so much higher than other countries. Asia are very good at taking the ideas producing the goods themselves at a qaurter or lower of the costs. I doubt very much the labour in US would work for same rates as Asia, thats why US companies went there in the first place.

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FCM- actually, his problem is growth, limits, and 'doubling time'.

We're bouncing along the top at full-noise. Doubling isn't an option, unless it be at the expense of an equal displacement, actually more, as it will happen on the downslope.

What this does say, is that Obama is not the solution. He doesn't get it, or isn't allowed to.

They don't have the time to elect a leader who does, now. They're gonna go down polishing the deckchairs.

 

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GOP will sing and dance for two years.....kill any discusion on AGW ie lots of worhtless congressional hearings.....etc etc....next they will suspend reality, we'll probably see mre "un-american hearings" for those pesky hedge funds that dont buy US bonds at prices decided by Congress.....up until we see a GOP president like say Palin...then we see "invade Iran for oil, those pesky muslins are good to shoot and they wont give us our oil".  Then it will get really ugly......in fact we as a nation will i think have to decide which side we go with....East/Asia or the US.....

regards

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You miss transport costs which have risen significantly in the last 5 years...its actually cheaper to make steel in the US and consume it there than make it in china and ship it....

There was also a case for a manuafturer of water boilers? who decided to make in the USA for the same reason.....

Oil used to be <$50USD at that and even 30USD it made shipping cheap ie globalisation worked....last time i looked at a 40ft container to UK it has almost doubled in cost....globalisation is dying....the cost of oil/fuel will kill it.

So what will the US ship? high value low bulk/mass intelectual property, software, pills....things that will hurt us in the pocket the most and then their Congress will kill our exports with subsidies and blocks....I'm just hoping that our Pollies are awake to that....if they ignore what happened to OZ it will make them look incredibly stupid....oh wait....

oh bugger.........

:/

regards

 

 

 

 

 

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You're probably right but not right away, Oz and NZ seem to be behind the 8 ball in terms of the currency wars underway - ie control of capital inflows etc. IMHO the ANZACS will welcome all that extra liquidity with open arms and probably not close the gate until the bull has well and truely bolted.

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Hugh I know its been pointed out to you before, but you really ought to broaden your arguements as to what factors contribute to housing bubbles away from merely 'planning restrictions'. To my mind the availability of easy credit is far and away more important to the development of housing bubbles, far eclipsing the effect or otherwise of planning restriction. No easy credit, no housing bubble, simple as that; all else flows from there.

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Bingo.

The sleazy developer's whinge and snivel about "planning restrictions", and the gullible PI's and greedy RE drone's desperate blather about a "property shortage" are both designed to divert attention away from the real and only causes of the recent NZ property bubble, which were essentially as you've just described.

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Hugh I think your argument makes perfect sense however something I read recently still gives be doubt about the cause of housing bubbles. It is a version of the chicken or egg argument.Lol.

Anyway I was reading on the velocity of money. While a lot of people are trashing politicians or central banks for their behaviour, well I am not so certain of that either. 

I think the coming depression is just natural part of the industrialised world, and may even predate industry.

The particular theory involves a boom being initiated by the desire of business to grow. They borrow money to do so and once more business do the same the cost of money goes up. Higher interest rates then attracts money from investment, which means more money is available to lend. I think you can see the upward spiralling pattern from there. Eventually an oversupply situation arises and it all comes tumbling down. My reading into this stemmed from reading about liquidity traps.

My thinking on this matter is that measures to govern or restrict a boom are ineffective because by nature they are reactive rather than preemptive. A boom is simply human nature that will defeat any attempt to control it. 

I wonder if this theory has a parallel in the housing market, as building is afterall a part of industry.

Just a thought anyway.

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US housing market continues in downward spiral. Altos Research 10 city index shows house prices fell 3.1% in last 3 months alone:

http://www.housingwire.com/2010/11/08/housing-prices-decline-as-mortgag…

 

So as fast as Bernanke feeds cash into one end of the US banks, out it pours from the other end in the form of increasingly impaired 'assets'.

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FYI, here's what the Fed Dallas President Fisher said in a speech overnight about QE II. And he is on the FOMC....sheesh... HT Troy via email

http://dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2010/fs101108.cfm

"One cost is the risk of being perceived as embarking on the slippery slope of debt monetization. We know that once a central bank is perceived as targeting government debt yields at a time of persistent budget deficits, concern about debt monetization quickly arises.

I realized that two other central banks were engaging in quantitative easing—the Bank of Japan and, most notably, our friends at the Bank of England. But the Bank of England is offsetting an announced fiscal policy tightening that out-Thatchers Thatcher. This is not the case here. Here we suffer from fiscal incontinence and regulatory misfeasance. If this were to change, I might advocate for accommodation. But that is not yet happening. And I worry that by providing monetary accommodation, we are reducing the odds that fiscal discipline will be brought to bear. "

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there it goes - Texas.

Knew it.

Scarfie - fiscal history is somewhat immature at this stage - I've been to physics lectures (they deal with the real) where economics at this stage has been likened to Physics at about the time of Newton.

It simply takes too short/small a view, then extrapolates forward by looking behind. The Industrial Revolution until about now, essentially..

It doesn't look at energy (which is needed for every activity) except as a commodity anongst other commodities.

It runs a regime which must grow exponentially, or die. (All exponential growth of any kind, ceases at some point, and the bigger they are at that point, the bigger the shudder).

If fails to take account of absolute limits - indeed, its gurus poo-poo such a concept (they have to).

Hughs problem is the fiscal systems problem is growths problem.

Long foretold, for those who had what it took to listen.

 

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The amusing thing is that even in $US terms our housing (with our paltry GDP $NZ180 billion - $US130 billion - much the same as St Louis or the State of Iowa) is still "worth" more than that of Houston with its GMP north of $US405 billion!

Not for long I think Hugh. I have been telling those close to me for several years now to get out. Most won't listen though as real estate always goes up in value, don't you know that!

You know something I did a couple of years ago served to help my analysis of what I believed was about to happen. It is called Encyclopedia Brittanica and it has good sections on Economic Theory and Money.  Reading it certainly didn't dampen my belief.

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this is an excellent, balanced article for those interested in the planning versus house price debate:

 http://www.cp-dr.com/node/2810

the author gives some weight to the views of Wendell Cox - one of Hugh's colleagues - but also provides some (in my view) quite valid criticisms

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another excellent piece

 http://www.unconventionaleconomist.com/

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and another.

Scarfie - try this:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7095#more

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interesting how the US military is fully aware of this issue and investing R&D on alternative energy

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Market-priced land is what you have, Hugh.

And it would have been cheaper if folk like you hadn't done what you'd done.

You lot created the scarcity - and don't seem to be able to shoulder the responsibilty.

Which I find interesting.

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au contraire - although I'm not sure if someone who throws around comments like 'malthusian', is capable of  'getting it'.

All the land you 'developed', already had a title, unless I miss my guess.

Meanng it was being used for something.

Recently historically (since fossil fuels powered agriculture) food has been inexpensive, and that has sat atop a still-available area to farm, and a capability to intensify (the 'green revolution')..

Clearly, in a finite sphere of operations, all those open-ended variables were going to close down or follow a path of diminishing returns. It was an entirely predictable equation, and Malthus, Hubbert, Meadows et al, and Al Bartlett, were entirely correct.

More people eat more food, even as they sprawl - it's a compound equation.

At which point, restricted land availability, alongside higher food prices was going to raise rural land prices in relative terms.

Provided the customers can pay - which leads us to the Boolian-algebra bit: multiple variables all happening at once, and all with their base in energy - because nothing happens without it.

Read that link I sent earlier in the thread. Energy cost impacts everything, but you gotta eat before you gotta develop - when the squeeze comes on, an argument can be mounted that farm land will actually be more expensive.

Although folk of my persuasion don't think fiscality as we know it (a very temporary arrangement, taken too much as gospel) can long outsurvive peak energy.

There is also the queston of ability-to-pay, ie Haiti, Bangladesh, Rwanda and the rest, can't really impact what you pay for land here, they drop out of the bidding too early.

That is about to change - beyond peak oil went peak income-earning ability, and I would expect food to be a priority, longer/more intensive use of existing buildings (with reduced maintenance), and a lack of development, as obvious repercussions.

I have demonstrated how to use a lifejacket and build a lifeboat, but of course, that's not going to be listened to by folk who don't acknowledge the tilt of the deck.

One can accelerate a car into a brick wall - if one only has regard to the period of time of the acceleration, one could extrapolate that it will accelerate forever. Those of us who anticipate the brick wall, know that the acceleration is a temporary thing.

That's the difference between you and me. Given that the wall is provably there, you have to be wrong.

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tilt of the deck...um.....

"Britain is signed up to a European guarantee to source 10 per cent of its transport fuel from renewable sources, such as biofuels, within the next 10 years.   This is because Europe will need to cultivate an area somewhere between the size of Belgium and the Republic of Ireland with biofuels to meet the target"

So by reasonable accounts we can consider that at the expected 5% annual decline rate of fossil fuel production, every two years we will have to do this....

If this is correct, not so much "tilt" it looks vertical to me....

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/biofuel-plan-wi…

Oh and this bit,

"The study, from the Institute for European Environmental Policy, found that far from being 35 to 50 per cent less polluting, as required by the European Directive, the extra biofuels will be twice as bad for the environment. "

So "carbon" powered cars are at the very least toast.....hydrogen is years if not decades off so that leaves walking, bikes, public transport and battery powered cars.....lots of empty roads....

regards

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Bruce Rokowitz ( Li & Fung , HK ) says that the 20 year era of China exporting deflation , through ever cheaper goods , is coming to an end . Not only are costs of raw materials  and wages rising , but Asia is developing an appetite for it's own produce . These increasing costs of production and increased competition for the same goods , will lead to a multi-year price inflation .

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ignoring ppls ability to buy....so thereofre ppl wont be buying on the scale they do now.....

regards

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Hugh, I think you are being a bit unfair on Fulton. He actually agrees with much of the basis of Cox's argument. I agree with Fulton in his critique of Cox that although overly restrictive planning regulations are a very important influence on hoiuse prices, its a bit more complex than apportioning almost ALL of the blame to planning regulations as Cox pretty much does. He's right too that Cox marginalises lots of moderates, who he could actually get on board if he was a bit more humble and balanced. The key here Hugh is how the message is conveyed and sold - it is a political game. I don't think Cox is playing the game well .Come across as a libertarian extremist and you won't gain much ground 

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"Matt in Auck - thank you for your comments..."

You always make it seem as if this is your website.

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1.  So the Q is if the Oz beef farmers etc got so sone over why cant JK see that as a huge danger....

America is for its own ppl and it does not matter who it steps on, in terms of its capitalist nature and its political one.....and we dont need the US.

As Obama says Asis is where its at.....and we are on the doorstep with qulaity products...

regards

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Hugh, I still struggle with some of your ideas. I just can't see how house and land prices of $140K are anywhere near achievable on the edges of our major centres. 300K maybe, 140K never. Even assuming the unlikely (impossible?) possibility that sections could ever sell on urban fringes in NZ for 40K, that only leaves 100K!!!!! Once you take out matters such as site development, professional fees, council fees, profit margin etc. you are probably talking of building houses for about 50K!!!!! Impossible, unless you want to build really crappy 70 square metre boxes built by slave labour!!!!

your theories are sound (ie. we need to free up urban fringe land and generally reduce planning regulation to assist with housing affordability) but your practical execution of the theory is not. If you can come back ot the table with REALISTIC development propositions then you might gain some ground with the politicians and the vast majority of kiwis who are NOT neo-liberals. Until then, I feel you are wasting an opportunity      

I hope you are open enough to considering these points, as I think you have a lot to offer (but could go further with a slightly different approach) 

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It wasn't just trade on Obamas adgenda..It was to show China that it cant have it all its own way .Millitary ties were discussed..and a seat on the Security Council..Since the next firework show will be Indias back yard it might be politic to have a good discussion beforehand.

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