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Live Blog: Hanover Finance investors vote on Allied Farmers proposal (Update 8)

December 16th, 2009

I’m at the special meeting of Hanover Finance and United Finance investors at the Ellerslie convention centre in Auckland where they will vote on Allied Farmers’ debt for equity swap proposal. Here’s what the experts have said investors should do. Here’s what I’ve written previously about the choices investors face.

The Allied Farmers Proposal is dependent on 75% of Hanover and United Finance investors voting in favour of the Proposal.

Meeting chairman and Hanover Chairman David Henry has opened the meeting with a presentation of the proposal, including noting that the volume weighted average share price for Allied Farmers shares for the deal is likely to be around 20.7 cents a share, meaning the debt for equity swap would be 3.4 shares worth 72 cents for each dollar invested by Hanover Finance investors. The original value mentioned was 35 cents a share.

The chairman has also banned the use of video cameras at the meeting, which is different from earlier roadshow meetings.

Alloway presents proposals

Allied Farmers Managing Director Rob Alloway is now talking about the proposal to the meeting. The mood is restless. There are complaints about the sound system. A video of Allied Chairman John Loughlin is played, although the sound didn’t work at the first attempt. There are grumpy murmurs.

Most of the audience are elderly. It is a sea of white hair and they are much grumpier than this same meeting a year ago when they voted for a moratorium for Hanover Finance. There appears to be between 800 and 1,000 investors in attendance.

“That’s what they told us last time,” says one tanned and elderly man, when the chairman talks about a positive outlook for the future under the Allied Farmers deal.

Rob Alloway is now running through the history of Allied Farmers and its base in Taranaki’s rural industries, including the stock and station agent supplies business, and rural real estate agency business.

“It’s a great service business and we believe there’s a great opportunity to grow throughout New Zealand,” Alloway says.

He says there is still a strong future in the real estate business, despite the recent downturn.

Alloway is now talking about the quality of Allied Nationwide Finance’s loan book, which has 61% of its loans in plant and equipment finance and only 15% in property finance.

Alloway says Allied Farmers’ performance is linked partly to the Fonterra payout, which is improving again.

“In the finance sector we’re starting to see margins improve. Moving from the 34th largest to the sixth largest is starting to provide opportunities,” he says, adding that there will be consolidation in the industry.

Alloway sees no need to cut prices.

“If we get into price wars and discounting then we do ourselves out of business and we have to leave on a different plane,” he says.

Allied Farmers wants a transformational event that reinvigorates the company, he says, pointing to Allied’s big losses last year after bad loan writedowns last year. Allied Farmers wants to lead consolidation in the finance company sector with a business centred around equity rather than debt.

“This is a strategic opportunity for all of us. This is all about you standing alongside us as shareholders and creating something good from something troublesome,” he says.

“I believe this will turn Allied Farmers into an icon company in the New Zealand business community.”

Alloway has finished his speech. The applause is tentative and polite.

The chairman has taken back the meeting. There are calls from the floor for Hotchin to talk.

“The DRP will continue, however the independent directors consider that if the DRP continues there is a real potential for a future breach of the trust deeds,” the chairman says.

“We have forecast we can no longer achieve full recovery under the DRP and Grant Samuel says the proposal is superior to the status quo,” he says.

Question time begins

“What has happened to the NZ$20 million top-up from Hotchin and Watson?,” says Glen Stanton, a debenture holder in Hanover and United and representing his family trust.

Hotchin responds, explaining that the NZ$20 million guarantee would only be triggered if payments were missed and they haven’t been missed yet. He also said the clause forcing the investment would not be triggered if Hanover was put into receivership.

“The board of directors of Allied say they are strong. Could they explain how they could lose NZ$74 million and see the share price fall from NZ$2.20 down to 20 cents and still think they’re good,” Hanover investor Denis Chignall asks.

“If I had my own money I would not even dream of investing in Allied Farmers,” he says, to widespread applause.

Alloway responds, saying he has only been a director since July and Allied Farmers has had to cope with the worst financial crisis in decades. He points to the poorer performance of other listed finance companies. PGG Wrightson’s shares had also fallen sharply.

“The business is strong and has positioned itself into the future,” Alloways says.

Financial adviser and proxy holder Murray Weatherstone asks if Grant Samuel’s independent report can be trusted given its disclaimers are so widespread.

“It appears the independent report is a bit like the way a drunk reviews a lamp post,” Weatherstone says.

He questions why a receivership would be so bad, given a receivership would not necessarily lead to a fire sale.

He questions how much Allied Farmers shares will be worth. He is widely applauded.

My gut feel from the tone of the meeting and the questions so far is that investors are likely to vote against the proposal because it involves taking shares in a company and a stock exchange they don’t trust.

Wayne Purvis, a man with a burns bandage covering most of his face, says he is owed NZ$260,000 and asks about how much Allied Farmers shares are worth and the likely dividends.

Alloway responds that Purvis would receive 936,000 shares. He says he can’t forecast the timing or amount on dividends.

“We will be a wee way off paying a dividend. This is not a healthy loan book. Just like you, I have a lot invested in Allied Farmers. I want earnings on my investment too. Our drivers are exactly the same,” he says.

Another investor says he invested NZ$260,000 two weeks before Hanover stopped repayments and dividend payments in July last year. He asked if Allied Farmers would return cash to shareholders once they realised all the Hanover loans.

“You’re going to have 98% of new shareholdings (in the form of Hanover investors). Your original stock and station business is going to be like a pimple on the back of this new finance,” he says.

“How can such a small business make use of such a large amount of cash and is it going to be strong enough to provide support for a failing finance company that is so much bigger than you,” he says. He is applauded.

Alloway says Allied Farmers is interested in either reinvesting cash in its business or acquiring other finance companies. If it can’t find decent opportunties, it would return cash.

He says right now ‘that little pimple’ (the Allied Farmers business) is now producing a number of times more earnings than the Hanover loan book.

Alloway says the combined business is more likely to get a stronger credit rating and has a stronger future together. He is applauded for the first time in answering a question.

Another investor ‘Gus’ asks if internet sales would affect the stock sales agency business. Rob Alloway says Allied has launched  www.mylivestock.co.nz website and is a leader in the business. He referred to the sale of a dairy herd in Southland via the website. Allied has no operations in Southland, he says.  Alloway is getting smatterings of applause now.

“Many of us invested in Hanover because we thought it was a respected company with a strong history. Now we’re being asked to invest in a respected company with a strong history. Like others, when the cash starts rolling in we don’t want it invested in Eric Watson houses or flash houses. I want to know how many Rich Listers are on the board of Allied Farmers and how do they make their money,” Francis Coventry asks.

Alloway doesn’t answer the question, saying his private finances are his business, but then goes on to tell a folksy story about how he lost money once for a boss and lay down on the floor of his office. His boss said:’That’s the most expensive corporate training you’ll ever get.” He gets a bit of murmur of laughter.

“We believe we’re a safe set of hands and we’re asking you to trust us to look after your investments,” he says.

Richard Holiday asks who bought Allied Farmers shares last week when GPG sold its stake. Alloway says he hasn’t seen a formal report about who the buyer was, although he knows who the seller was.

‘Some silly bugger on the Telly’

Alfred Batchelor, 84, asks how he’ll get his money back. “Some silly bugger on the telly told me Hanover was as safe as the rock of Gibraltor.”

Alloway says there is no option for Hanover investors to get their money back now under the moratorium, but the Allied Farmers offer provided an option to sell the shares quickly if people wanted their money out for Christmas.

Karen asks on behalf of her dad living overseas if shares can be transferred to relatives, and if Allied will use cash raised from Hanover’s loans to invest in its stock and station agents or give it back to shareholders.

Alloway responds: “It is not part of Allied Farmers to grow its commercial property financing book. It’s about prudent investing in low risk enterprises that generate enterprise value. We see opportunties to grow stock and station agencies and in the finance business,” he says.

Proxy holder Tom Watson asks Mark Hotchin “I asking him: pay up the NZ$20 million now!” He is applauded.

Hotchin responds: “We went into this expecting it to work. The NZ$76 million is a lot of money. The NZ$20 million as a guarantee. We never expected to get called on it. When the market was better we thought it was a fall-back. It’s not due. It falls away under receivership and if this deal doesn’t go ahead then we go back to the DRP and we carry on.”

“Nobody wants to be here. Certainly I don’t,” Hotchin says. “Your partner doesn’t either…” someone calls out from the audience.

” We’ve gone through a very, very hard year. The management team has worked incredibly hard. There is a lot of people owing a lot of money and as Hanover’s reputation gets more and more smashed, it’s much easier to run to the media with a story or a lawyer.”

“They (Allied Farmers) don’t have that same history. They have a cleaner sheet of paper and some capital. It’s taken a while to work out how good it is. It’s about the platform. We are in a shrinking business that is just doing collections and fighting fights. This is a company is going forward and they don’t have to collect the same as we do.

“These guys don’t. They’ve got an operating finance business. They’re going to have NZ$400 million in capital. They’re going to have a strong balance sheet and a strong finance company be able to raise money and move forward. This is significantly business.”

Watson’s lack of baubles

Tom Brosnahan asks why the directors recommended the Allied deal so quickly and if there was any collusion involving the directors. He also comments on Eric Watson’s absence from the meeting. “Your shyster mate in the UK hasn’t even got the baubles to appear.” He is applauded.

“Is it because the quicker you can do the deal the quicker you can get rid of us and avoid any liability as directors?”

Hotchin responds: “We had a proposal put to us in August and it took a long One of the conditions is they wanted our audit finished. Until the audit was finished, the independent directors couldn’t make their assessment and Allied couldn’t formalise their offer. ”

The chairman says enough questions have been put and it’s now time for statements.

Dr Bryan Earnshaw, who invested NZ$70,000, says he feels as if he has been manoevered into a corner with two poor choices.

Watson ‘chicken livered’

“What I have to say to Eric Watson couldn’t be said in a public place, suffice to say he is too chicken livered to show up. But Mark Hotchin should be applauded for at least having the guts to front up,” he says. He is applauded widely.

Alan Grieve argues the Allied Farmers deal is weak, given Allied’s own precarious position.

“This is a a bungled buyout by a burglar chasing a bankrupt. The only answer is receivership. People are frightened by firesales, but there have been successful receiverships,” he says.

“I urge the meeting to let the moratorium run because before long the trustees will put it into receivership,” he says. He gets the biggest applause of the day.

“I’m Kirkpatrick” says he wouldn’t invest in Allied Farmers if it was his own money.

“There’s a queue of sharks out there waiting to buy those shares at a bargain price from those who are old enough to need the money.”

“Will the receivers give me more? I don’t know, but I’m prepared to give them a chance. There’ll be no kissing by favour and no higgletey pigglety deals on the side. It’s even possible that receivers will find some way to get their hands on a property worth NZ$30,000 on Paritai drive,” he says to widespread applause.

Another questioner says he doesn’t believe Hotchin and turns his back on him. “I don’t believe a damned word you say. I had NZ$100k with Hanover. This proposal is a disaster. We have a company in Allied Farmers that is very rich in liabilities and very poor in assets.  The cheek of it: Why should we exchange NZ$396 million in assets for NZ$10 million in equity.”

“We need to stick where we are and stay with the moratorium. If we can wait for a little while longer we might get our money back.”

“I want out of this mob.”

Statements are finished.

My feel from the tone of the meeting, the questions, the answers and the applause for various speakers is that Hanover Finance investors will vote against the Allied Farmers proposal.

The meeting has now adjourned for the vote. The results are likely before 2.30pm, vote organisers say. The organisers now say the result is due at 4pm.

Just talking now to a lady who had NZ$165,500 invested in Hanover Finance and Hanover Capital. Margaret Hills started investing with Elders Finance in the 1970s with Elders and continued through with Hanover. She was told less than a week before Hanover froze investments in July last year by the Hanover call centre that she had nothing to worry about. She had told them about my article about the 5 Survivability Factors in June.

Margaret also had NZ$33,000 invested in Dominion Finance and money in MFS Pacific and Bridgecorp. She was advised to put money into ING’s Diversified Yield Fund (DYF) and finance companies MFS Pacific and Bridgecorp (both of which have failed) by Tauranga financial adviser Stephen Parr, who runs Harmer Parr.

The result: 75.45% of Hanover investors voted for the proposal, just above the 75% threshold.

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32 Responses to “Live Blog: Hanover Finance investors vote on Allied Farmers proposal (Update 8)”

  1. Alex Tarrant Says:

    Share price for the offer is around 21 cents:

    Allied Farmers Limited announces that the 5-Day Volume Weighted Average Price of ALF Shares for the purpose of determining the price at which new Allied Farmers Limited ordinary shares will be issued to Hanover and United investors (if those persons approve the Allied Proposal and the other conditions of the relevant agreement are satisfied) is $0.20693281 per share.

    http://www.nzx.com/markets/NZSX/ALF/announcements/3165811/Five-Day-VWAP

  2. Alex Tarrant Says:

    Allied Farmers dividens in previous years

    Mar 12, 2007

    Rural services firm Allied Farmers has announced a fully imputed interim dividend of 4 cents per share.

    It compared with a 5c per share interim dividend a year ago, and came after the company last month reported a net operating profit of $846,000 for the six months to December 31 against $758,000 a year ago.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/allied-farmers-ltd/news/article.cfm?o_id=6&objectid=10428355&pnum=1

  3. Rob Says:

    Someone should ask why there has been no independent valuation of Hanover or allied undertaken, and how investors can be expected to make such a decision without this critical information.

  4. Don Says:

    Bernard, very good on the spot reporting.
    I really like this comment;
    “My gut feel from the tone of the meeting and the questions so far is that investors are likely to vote against the proposal because it involves taking shares in a company and a stock exchange they don’t trust.”
    I just wonder if Rob Cameron missed this in the Capital Markets Development taskforce report, that New Zealanders do not trust their self serving NZX…..as you put it “a stock exchange they don’t trust”.
    I am of to read the taskforce report.

  5. Curtis Says:

    Rob – how do you value highly illiquid speculative property assets where there is currently no buyer market … and aren’t Allied valued at their share price ?

  6. Craig Says:

    Should they not liquidate ? doesn’t this make Directors responcible for debt and able to be persued.

  7. Rob Says:

    I know of an investor in Hanover who received a handwritten a note on an investment letter from a Hanover salesperson, less than a month before the freeze, asking them to reinvest with an extra incentive of a slightly better return than the advertised rates . Their investment was due to mature on the day after Hanover froze the funds,and they had asked it to be paid out, they weren’t going to reinvest. Talk about bad luck, and they ended up getting locked in. They no doubt would have known at that stage that they were in major trouble, yet they were still trying to get people to reinvest. They still have the letter too. This was a long term investor who invested when they were Elders Finance, and carried on investing with them after they changed their name.

  8. Rob Says:

    @ Craig

    In a receivership assets are realised for the benefit of the secured creditor who made the appointment of a receiver.

    In a liquidation the assets are realised primarily for the benefit of the unsecured creditors.

  9. The Bank Manager Says:

    I think the proxies will be in favour of the proposal and that the deal will be done today. These old people would rather sell their Allied shares and have some money in the next week than wait for years for a Hanover payout or a receivership where the receiver will swallow up millions of dollars.

    Will be interesting to follow the Allied share price over the next few days.

  10. Rob Says:

    @The Bank Manager

    The receiver won’t swallow up any more money than it is current spending in admin. Also a receivership will probably take upto 3 years to realise the assets. PWCs receivership of Nathans finance is still continuing years later as they try to get the most value.

  11. Craig Says:

    I for one would not take shares in this CO, looks like a bad bet with the debt they have plus losses of late not a good look and who if anyone will buy the shares ? apart from that how many Million new shares will be created to cover the investments people have made.

    PS Liquidate it then as many of those old folk surely will be unsecured creditors.

  12. Mike Says:

    Allied have been a bit greedy

    If Allied had agreed to 2 things they would have got the deal across the line.

    1/. Agree to payout $100m within 18 mths
    2/. Set up a emergency fund of say $20m for cash strapped investors – conditions would have to apply

    This would have helped support the share price and given the new shareholders a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

    Allied would still have become a big player but just needed to be seen to be giving a bit back.

  13. Rob Says:

    @Mike, I totally agree. There is nothing stopping Allied using the money that they get from Hanover assets, to simply pay their own finance company cusomters, such as Nationwide and Spiers. Some of that should be paid out to Hanover investors as dividends over time.

  14. Hamish Says:

    Is that 75.45% of Hanover investors wanting to hold shares and hope for maximum return? Or are they all going to be rushing for the door a.s.a.p.?

  15. Craig Says:

    Well i must say i thought they were smarter than that there will be a massive sell off now one would think in ALF shares over the coming weeks and will be very interesting to see what does happen, i feel the Directors who we all know who i talk of have been let off very lightly.

  16. Paul Says:

    Ba da ding! BH’s gut feel is wrong again!

  17. Craig Says:

    His gut feeling was only just wrong, i reckon they have made a big mistake here, voted on a probable when they should have stuck it to the CO ( Hanover ) that is. Big dilution coming up. Probably proxy votes swung it and they said those wont be released.

  18. David Says:

    Stupid old farts. Now they will be complaing that they were told 20c a share but they are selling at 2c.

    Watson & Hotchin have swung it again.

  19. Rob Says:

    @David nearly 25% voted against it, so there were a lot against it. I wonder how many votes the directors got . I would demand a independent recount, as that is too close for my liking. I wonder how many were voided.

  20. Emkay Says:

    Think the new shareholders of Allied will form a group to supervise the Board/management effectively as they deal with all the assets, sale proceeds and other revenues ?
    Time for such a movement to take place under the leadership of a genuine investor-caring financial expert.
    May the Stock Exchange or Securities Commissioner can help out here ?
    That would also prevent a stampede to exit at low prices.

  21. Rob Says:

    @Emkay Yes there now should be a significant representation on the board of Allied Farmers of Hanover investors. I doubt any help will be forth coming from the SC, as they haven’t done anything to date to help out investors. Perhaps investors now need to join up with the shareholders association and Bruce Shephard, since many have chosen to be shareholders.

  22. Emkay Says:

    I understand that 97% of Allied’s new shares will be with Hanover/United investors. In a sense they have got the assets (whatever the quality or value) for their investments and they can control it and how it is disposed. They should wake up to the power they have now and take over the Board/management, even outsource the management, if necessary so their interests are safeguarded. Could create a new corporate history if they play it correctly.

  23. Steve Says:

    Is it really believeable that Hanover got 75.45%, which swings the deal in their favour by a measly 0.45% ? How many backroom deals did it take to coordinate that percentage?
    My 1st thought was that the numbers were rigged, so I thought a recount done by a truly independant 3rd party would fix that. But, no, the easiest way to stitch things up would be for Hanover’s big wheels to pay vast sums to the big investors (who would be their chums anyway!) to vote in their favour!!!!!!!!
    Who’s with me on that?

  24. David Says:

    How many of those votes were by proxy from financial planners on behalf of their clients ? Anyhow first thing in the morning I am putting my bid in at 2 cents a share.
    Unfortunately I am with Bruce Shepard on this one. Never have there been such mad investors since the tulip bubble, they ahould have put the company into recievership first up and clawed back Watson/Hotchin dividend.

  25. Ray Says:

    Steve- I don’t buy the conspiracy theory angle.

    Remember, these same people turned down the opportunity to send Hotchin & Watson to the wall back in October….you give them too much credit.

    Towards the end of the meeting a few investors were pleading with the masses to turn down the proposal. Those investors could obviously sense the tide turning towards agreement with Allied offer.

  26. Barry Carlson Says:

    The Hanover shareholder majority in Allied should now take advantage of their newly won situation and organise themselves into a controlling block to ensure that theirs and the residual assets of Allied are totally managed for their benefit.

    Sitting with their bums on their hands wont do that.

  27. Richard Holliday Says:

    I did not say “GPG sold its stake” I asked who bought it. I did not know GPG had sold. I might have changed my vote if I had known. The result would have then been closer

  28. Iain Parker Says:

    One way or another the system always allows them to keep large dollops of the booty and walk unconvicted to plunder another day;
    http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/12/14/govt-toughens-rules-around-finance-company-moratoria/comment-page-1/#comment-52745

  29. Doug Says:

    The whole Hanover/Allied affair is nothing more than money-laundering. Hanover owners and management live to do it all over again. Allied Farmers becomes the bad bank, absorbing losses prior to their own collapse. And PGC Wrightson is a poor example when making comparisons about sector share price value. Given the “fudge” notes on their financials, anyone with half a brain would dump the stock too. Hanover investors depending on the can getting kicked far enough down the road to regain value, missed the can bouncing past the graveyard.

  30. peterquixote Says:

    A few years ago, a friend of mine asked me to recommend or not Hanover Finance,.
    She had been watching to much Sunday television.. and she liked the all weather safe idea.
    I rang Hanover to ask who the directors were.
    I remember clearly Just hearing Eric Watson’s name sent a chill down my spine.
    For once my instincts were right and I saved my friend financial oblivion.
    Recently another acquaintance of mine told me of the utter financial ruin he has suffered because of Hanover.
    It was not greed, these old people just went for a reasonable good return and they believed television adverts.

    When I am king, and this will be soon, the SAS will be sent out to hunt down and be so unkind to Eric Watson, altering his looks and attitude forever.

    But why would a bunch of Taranaki farmers buy into this ‘custard’
    as GPG director Alan Gibbs described Hanover.
    Gibbs said the loan book could not be valued, but Taranaki farmers now lose all their equity to the Hanover people; who Shareholders Association Bruce Sheppard described as stupid.
    They wouldn’t listen to him , they voted for the treachery plotted by Eric Watson, but he [ Sheppard] shouldn’t have worn a Vikings hat at a shareholders meeting.
    Today again they have repeated their mistake.
    Hanover people have voted their value in Hanover to end up as nothing with Allied farmers Taranaki ALF.
    I took the gamble yesterday that the Hanover old people had had enough of treachery they would refuse the Allied farmers idiot proposal and bought in ALF at 19 cents.
    Today these shares are worth 14 cents, and soon Allied farmers will collapse, returning their original farmer investors and Hanover
    people nothing.

    Gibbs for GPG sold 4% stake in Allied farmers for 20 cents per share [$280,000] losing from valuation of 35cents [ $500,000].
    Note the paltry value today of ALF now at 14 cents per share.

    That is 37 million shares of Taranaki farmers reduced willingly by their own directors buying by the treachery laid for them by Hotchins and Watson.
    Are Taranaki farmers dumb? Maybe not,
    who would have thought when you invested in an Agriculture company your Directors would have taken on the madness and greed associated with the Hotchins and Watson treachery.

    ALF now worth 5 million dollars, buy into a guaranteed collapse for their farmers, giving new shareholders over 95% control at the expense of their base shareholders.
    An now anattempt to raise money by the technique of Pyne Gould Wrightson, Nuplex, and so on.

    This technique is
    Your shares are worth nothing now dudes,
    send us more money and you might still be worth something.

    In psychological terms it occurs because of ‘aversion to loss’
    People will pour good money after bad, if the price goes down.
    I know this I do it myself. I did it with Fisher and Paykel after ouir Prime Minister said he couldn’t think of a NZ icon company going down.
    The idea is that there must be a bottom line.

    However in this case the disease exceeds the health .. the liability exceeds the equity.

    ALF heading for total collapse.
    Hanover investors watch your 20 cents shares drop to 5 cents,

    Your only compensation is that when I am King ..
    well we will deal with Eric Watson.

    ends peter quixote

  31. peterquixote Says:

    Doug Says:
    . And PGC Wrightson is a poor example when making comparisons about sector share price value. Given the “fudge” notes on their financials, anyone with half a brain would dump the stock too.

    Can you enlighten further Doug, or anyone .
    I do not read PGW books easily.
    What does “fudge” notes on their financials, mean ?

    Why are our major Agriculture Companies failing?
    peterquixote

  32. Roger Thompson Says:

    Hey , do you guys have a blog writing service ? ‘Cos it would save us all alot of time if you wrote endless blogs to no one in particular , and we went off and got on with our lives ……….OK ? …….. Write a small one to getcha self started , and then you can reply to that . Thanks for the help . And good luck , hope you keep yourself entertained .

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