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Reaction to John Key's tax comments (Update 3)

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Here we will include reaction to John Key's comments on tax. For Bernard Hickey's report on Key's speech, which include his views, see here. (Update 1 includes NZICA comments. Update 2 includes Wellington Regional Chamber of Commerce, further KPMG comments. Update 3 includes comments on Agribusiness sector.) Watch Key's comments on tax on our video page here. The full speech can be found here. Here is what KPMG Senior Tax Partner John Cantin said on Key's GST comments:

All business will be impacted by any increase in GST. However, Tourism and Financial Institutions will be more affected than others. Financial Institutions cannot recover full GST so that a GST increase will either increase their costs or reduce returns to savers. This means the Government does need to properly model the effects of a GST rise on the incentive to save to make sure the effects it intends are realised. Close to the Prime Minster's heart as Minister of Tourism will be the impacts of any GST on this sector. With the GST rate in Australia at just 10 per cent, an increase to our rate would have a negative impact on New Zealand's competitiveness.. The sector would have to either increase prices and therefore demand, or absorb the impact and reduce profitability. Any increase in GST could result in a run on goods and services before the tax is increased so care must be taken, particularly by providers of goods and services, particularly retailers. When GST was last raised there was increased demand for goods and services in the lead up to the change. Some providers took it as a sign of future demand and increased their inventories which they found difficult to sell after the rise.

Here is a short relese from the New Zealand Institute of Chartered Accountants:

"The Government's announcement today represents a step in the right direction, yet really needs to go further in order to fully restore balance and equity to the system," Craig Macalister, Tax Director, New Zealand Institute of Chartered Accountants said today. "The focus of the Tax Working Group was to design a more coherent tax system that is fairer to all and collects taxes as fairly and efficiently as possible. We still have too much reliance on taxes such as PAYE and income tax," said Mr Macalister. "Altering this burden would mean a shift away from income taxes to more reliance on indirect taxes, such as GST. The under-taxation of capital assets in New Zealand also needs to be addressed."

This is from the Wellington Regional Chamber of Commerce:

The Wellington Regional Chamber of Commerce has congratulated the government for signalling a full programme of reforms for the year ahead including reform of the tax system. "The government has a lot of work to do and the Prime Minister's Statement to Parliament today gives the business community confidence that the government intends to grab the bull by the horns and do what needs to be done," said Chamber CEO Charles Finny. "We are pleased with the government's intention to rebalance the tax system and we strongly support the direction outlined in today's speech. We have long advocated of a low-rate, broad based tax system as the key to improving work incentives and boosting productivity. "A small rise in GST would be fully acceptable if it is accompanied by equivalent reductions in income tax. "The government's recommitment to infrastructure investment, better and less regulation, free trade agreements and the unlocking of mineral resources are also welcome," Mr Finny concluded.

KPMG Senior tax partner Paul Dunne said Key's silence on depreciation indicated this was very much the focus for the government in its tax reforms:

Statement made by Paul Dunne, Senior Tax Partner, KPMG The silence on depreciation today in the Prime Minster's speech on tax indicates that this remains very much a focus for the Government in its tax reforms. Property investors will be looking for clarity around parameters and definitions. Until detailed announcements are made, property investments decisions will be shrouded in uncertainty. We expect a lot of pressure will be applied by the property sector on the Government between now and the Budget in order to gain further clarity. A positive aspect of today's announcement is the indication that the Government is looking at a package of tax reforms. A range of options are available to Government to address the perceived "problem" with the total amount of tax paid by the property sector. Although ruling out land tax and RFRM, Government's silence indicates removing building depreciation remains on the table. Property investors need to ask - if depreciation is denied, then what level of tax rate cut would compensate?

Meanwhile, KPMG Chief Executive Jan Dawson welcomed the clarity provided by Key on the government's approach to tax reforms:

We welcome the clarity provided by John Key in his opening speech today on the Government's approach to New Zealand Tax reforms. The Tax Working Group generated much interest, concern and speculation and the Prime Minister has taken the opportunity to rule out some things and introduce a direction that will incorporate a broad range of measures. This signal of the direction of reform is welcomed. The temptation would have been to cherry pick revenue generating tax options. The Prime Minister's statement makes it clear that the Government is looking at the reforms as a broad package. This is the right way to go about tax reform to ensure a fair and coherent tax regime. While welcome clarity has been provided around some aspects of the tax system including the ruling out of land tax, no capital gains tax and no RFRM, questions still remain on other aspects of tax reform. Notably, no comment was made about corporate tax rates, the amount of GST increase and its impacts on various sectors or details around tax treatment of property investments. These areas will need clarifying. The ruling out of land tax and RFRM is a triumph of pragmatism over theory. Although economists like property taxes for their efficiency, the real world impacts of these two measures make them difficult to implement in a politically sustainable way. One thing is certain, the 2010 Budget is shaping up to be a major milestone in the New Zealand tax system. KPMG believes it is important that any package of reforms is sustainable politically and economically as New Zealand would not benefit from being lurched one way then another if Government changes tack.

KPMG's lead Agribusiness Partner, Ross Buckley, said the Agribusiness sector should be relieved at the ruling out of a land tax and RFRM:

The Agribusiness sector including Farmers and Maori Authorities will be relieved at the ruling out of a land tax and Risk Free Rate of Return Method (RFRM) today by the Prime Minister. Landowners stood to be significantly adversely affected if a land tax or RFRM was introduced. This was recognised by the Tax Working Group and options for exempting the Agricultural sector were mooted at the time. In a triumph of pragmatism over theory, the Government has ruled both options out completely. The implementation of RFRM would have had negative practical implications on cash flow for land and building owners in the agricultural sector. The sting however, remains in the tail for property investors as the Government has made it clear that tax on rental properties will change.

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"The sector would have to

"The sector would have to either increase prices and therefore demand, or absorb the impact and reduce profitability."

An increase in GST implies a direct increase in the domestic price level. This translates into a weaker New Zealand dollar.

It is partially a tax on tourism relative to other exporting industries, for sure. But part of the adjustment occurs through the exchange rate - an important point to remember so that we don't overestimate the cost.

Exporters have seen in the

Exporters have seen in the past year a 53% change in cross with US$ in the past couple of months the best part of an 8% change on sales - not the difference between purchases and sales (gst) or difference between cost and sales (profit) but on gross revenues.

Exchange rates are the most important matter when it comes to the tradeable economy (includes tourism) not taxation.

From NZMEA, 9 February 2010

From NZMEA, 9 February 2010

'Still no real change'

In his opening speech to Parliament today Prime Minister John Key has accurately characterised the problems with a tax system that is in dire need a radical overhaul, but has responded with a determination to do no more than tinker say the New Zealand Manufacturers and Exporters Association (NZMEA). We had hoped for more political courage and leadership towards a step change that is needed to address the widely accepted problems in our economy.

John Key acknowledged that the tax system is broken saying, "The Government agrees with the Tax Working Group that New Zealand relies heavily on the taxes most harmful to growth, particularly corporate and personal income taxes; that there is a hole in the tax base around the taxation of property." However, he then went on to say, "In particular, we will not be developing any proposals for a land tax, a comprehensive capital gains tax, or a risk-free return method (RFRM) for taxing residential investment properties."

NZMEA Chief Executive John Walley says, "How the Prime Minister expects a broken tax system to be fixed without any changes is beyond me. We hoped for more, sadly it seems we can only anticipate more of the same."

"The desire to drop the income and corporate tax rates is commendable but jobs follow investment as night follows day, and without balance in fiscal and monetary policy the real economy will be robbed of returns and starved of investment."

"There seems to be a consensus that broad based, low taxes are fundamental for jobs and growth; what is lacking is the political will to deal with vested interests and make it happen."

The wealth concentration is going

The wealth concentration is going to get more accute, due to not targetting taxes at the wealthy, which of course sadly started during the Clark's regime. What happened in the housing sector is a blow to equitability, and Key is perpetuating it.

We are steering down the

We are steering down the barrel of a debt repayment crisis, but not one mention from one party, our parliament is officially a bipartisan hoax and a fraud captured by foreign incorporated investment banks who control us via their predatory loans of created credit.

A letter to the editor I had published yesterday

Labour Lost
Labour's Phil Goff spouting, we stand for fair reward for all, not disproportionate wealth to the slaveminded elitist few, but in-fact Labour hasn't acted on behalf of the many since it got got cold feet in a standoff with the international bankers in 1939.
Apart from a small window in 1938, we have been forced or corrupted into borrowing credit which is literally written into existance as a debt book entry by foreign third party intermediaries to unlock our own natural resources, adding two to three times true value for everything we attempt to do.
In 1938 Labour MP John A Lee, decorated in WW1 for losing an arm whilst taking out a machine gun post that had bogged down an assault, stood up to the privately owned foreign financial middlemen and kowtowing Labour hierachy to insist that our Reserve Bank issue public credit borrowed from no-one, to be spent into circulation, not lent, with no interest attached, to unlock the labour and resources needed to start the State Housing Project that assisted our climb out of the 1930s depression.
As long as public credit is used in a productive fashion to build social infrastructure assets, it has proven to be non-inflationary. Labour and the nation needs another of the courage and knowledge of John A Lee.
You won't get change from John Key, who used to skite about his part in revolutionising international investment banking, but today won't answer my questions re his role as advisor to the US Federal Reserve 1999-2001.

Back off to that hamster wheel, good luck to you and your family.

Think you've won round 13

Think you've won round 13 , Iain . Where's Wally ? Come to think of it , where's anyone at this hour ....? ........ Guys must've gone off for dinner or something . Odd !

MAYBE THEY ARE ALL OUT

MAYBE THEY ARE ALL OUT OF NEGATIVITY!

@ Mr Walley. As I'm

@ Mr Walley.
As I'm sure you're aware, there's nothing wrong with a high NZ$. It's the volatility that's the problem.

Kiwiblog gave this timid effort from John Key a B-, I give it a D. Thanks to Bernard for putting this fiasco in perspective with his Herald column.

We're now behind Greenland and Greece in per-capita GDP. Who overtakes us after Turkey? Haiti?

Even catastrophic climate change won't stop our grandchildren buggering off across the ditch.

It's predictable but it's disgusting.

Iain, Good comments as usual

Iain,

Good comments as usual but seriously when was the last time any politician mentioned monetary reform? I can't think of many people I know of personally that even understands what social credit is or what monetary reform implies...

What I want it know,

What I want it know, is why did John Key say that land tax,CGT etc were off the table. What explaination is there for that? Other countries tax property more in line with other investments. Even after these tax changes, ther will still be far more incentive to invest in property, especially for offshore investors.
The huge amount NZ is borrowing each week, and the problems with property, these tax changes are the equivalent to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
I am now giving serious thought to leaving the country, which is something I wasn't considering a year ago. I was offered a good high paying job in the Oz, and in the short term that is probably the best solution. The only thing I hate about Oz is the heat.

Here's a 13 minute audio

Here's a 13 minute audio interview with MARK WITHERS author of 'Property Tax - A New Zealand Investor's Guide' talking about the (non-political) aspects of John Key's speech...

http://www.EmpowerEducation.com/Mark-Key_audio.html

Sounds like Mark's not too

Sounds like Mark's not too fussed about the depreciation changes Peter?

/"Sounds like Mark’s not too

/"Sounds like Mark's not too fussed about the depreciation changes Peter?"/

Hi Alex, yes, you're right. Doesn't seem fussed.

Depreciation may very well be a thing of the past, sadly, but landlords will cope ...
As Mark says in the i/v, what's been overlooked is that depreciation has always been clawed back -- "A loan from the IRD that you have to pay back" I think he called it in his book. So it's been a timing issue, not a tax issue.

The things taken OFF the table by Key yesterday had the potential to really make life tough for landlords esp. mum & dad landlords.

Land tax, CGT: I can see why some people support them but demonising landlords as "bludgers rorting the system" wasn't a good argument for such fundamental changes. No way. (Meanwhile farmers & commercial landlords etc caught in the crossfire?)

That deemed rate of return thing was a shocker logically (in my view) because it was essentially a wealth tax -- a tax on equity (which would cause distortions), removing any opportunity to consider the 'business aspects' of the investment. Anyone who's been a landlord knows it ain't a 'passive investment'. [Review the definition of an 'investment' vs 'business opportunity' = time required.]

There'll still be changes, it's inevitable, but the market will cope.

Where I do agree with Bernard et al is the looming tax burden on the younger generation -- but that's an international problem. - P

Hi Alastair, I stood for

Hi Alastair,
I stood for Democrats for Social Credit in the last election because they were the only party promoting any form of public credit in their manifesto.
I have since resigned from DSC as some of the most influential members of the party are talking a form of public credit that is to close to extreme socialism for me. I mean they are of a mind that we can simply ascertain the gap between what is produced and the ability to purchase what is produced then immediately, under the assumption everyone would use it prudently, start issuing grants of public credit to everyone to make up the gap, but in most probability much of it would end up being transferred straight into the already bulging trust funds of the extremely wealthy via poor spending decisions of a population that has been trained to consume.
I am for a form of public credit that first and foremost is spent into circulation, not lent, borrowed from no-one, owed to no-one, with no interest attached, used to unlock available labour and resources to build public infrastructure assets.
This monetary base without interest attached would reduce the cost of credit down the food chain, reduce the cost of debt out of businesses balance sheets meaning they could reinvest profits that used to go to usurous debt servicing. It would be hoped that these profits might be used to increase the use of modern technology in manufacturing, but unlike at present if a large amount of automation happened the surplus to requirement labour would become a burden that the monied class would like to crawl off into the bush and die quietly, only when the social infrastructure was 100% up to scratch and business modernised would we then be in a position to start paying a National Dividend to make up the gap between purchasing power and what is being produced or otherwise it would have the exact same detrimental impact as the Bernanke style of chucking created credit loaned at interest out of a helicopter, more hyper inflation, in other words the hard work has to be done before the rewards can be reaped.
The other policy of DSC I have concerns with is Financial Transaction Tax, I feel it is to complex to sell to the public when they are looking for simplicity, not more complexity and is to reliant upon the co-operation of the financial sector to virtually voluntarily comply or the costs of policing would be large. I believe it is a complex side issue battle that does not need to be had when simple public credit issuance through a reclaimed Reserve Bank would suffice.
These suggested moves are only going to temporarily reduce the symptoms of the debt based monetary system, looking to save a billion here and there, whilst the cancerous tumor of compounding interest remains untreated costing us in excess of 40 odd billion a year, three times entire health budget.

By the way Wally, you ain't got a damn clue what social credit is, or if you do you were trying to mislead the folks when you suggested Hillary Clintons issuance of a Baby Bonus was in anyway shape or form social credit or any other form of public credit as Hillary would have been borrowing the Baby Bonus from the incorporated investment banks to be paid back two-three times over out of future taxes.
http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/12/29/summer-chart-se...

After I put my submission into banking inquiry, some in Labour started making noise about reviewing monetary policy and altering the Reserve Bank Act, but the financial sector came out all heavy handed talking about not going against what is generally accepted worldwide best practice, you have not heard squeak out of the cowards since, John A Lee will be turning in his grave. We have a whole of parliament cover up going on, public credit to build our new generation sustainable energy sources would deliver every aspect of environmental and social justice the Greens claim they seek, but no they repeat the monetarist puppet mantra that public credit would be inflationary and lead to the unsustainable consumption of available resources, I ask you, are they all fools or do they to now have some liars among them?

Round 14 a walk-over to

Round 14 a walk-over to Parksy ...........Someone scrape Wally off the ropes . Time for the 15'th and final round , of the main-event of the day , the heavyweight stoush of the Enigmatic Incomprehensibles . Seconds out . DING DING

Iain - ahh, those were

Iain - ahh, those were the days, just after Christmas, such fun times. Great post, keep up the good work. Cheers, Les.

Great posts Iain.

Great posts Iain.