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Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10am. I am in Wellington today and will be live blogging the PM's speech on tax reform from after 2pm. I welcome your additions and comments below or please send suggestions for Wednesday's Top 10 at 10 to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz Dilbert.com 1. What happens when the printing stops? - The US Council on Foreign Relations has charted how the major buyer of US Treasuries in the last year was the US Federal Reserve, Jesse's Cafe Americain points out. Interest rates will rise when the Fed stops buying. This will raise interest rates globally. Do home buyers and businesses in New Zealand realise this or are they hoping the Fed will just keep printing ad infinitum?

The Federal Reserve plans to stop buying securities issued by government housing loan agencies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the end of the first quarter. This is not only likely to push up mortgage rates; Treasury rates should rise as well. Throughout 2009, the private sector sold a portion of their agency holdings to the Fed and used those funds to buy Treasurys. Once the Fed's agency purchases stop, this private sector portfolio shift will end, removing a major source of demand in the Treasury market. As the chart shows, since the start of 2009 the Fed has bought or financed the entire increase in Treasury issuance. As Fed purchases slow and Treasury issuance continues at a high level, interest rates will have to move up to attract new buyers."

2. Geithner pour la guillotine?  - There is increasing talk around Washington that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is about to be discarded by Barack Obama as the smell worsens around the New York Fed's coverup of the defacto bailout of Goldman Sachs via a 100% payout of derivatives contracts with AIG. Here's Ellen Brown at Huffington Post. HT Iain Parker via email. Simon Johnson has also cited talk that Obama will dump Geithner, suggesting Fed rebel Tom Hoenig might be a good replacement.

3. Chart of the day - The European Union is collectively the second largest buyer of New Zealand's exports after Australia. This chart courtesy of ZeroHedge shows money supply contracting in the Euro zone (excluding Britain). The picture in Britain is just as ugly. This will not help any global recovery. I don't think most New Zealanders realise how dire the situation in Europe really is. Or in America for that matter. The only growth engine left is China, which is lucky for Australia and us. Until it stops too.  HT Gertraud via email.

Another chart of the day - Paul Krugman from the NYTimes points out Spain's problem was a wage inflation spike that made it much less competitive than the likes of Germany, which went on a productivity spree over the last 5 years or so. The Spanish must be desperate for their own floating exchange rate right about now.

4. 'Lehman type risk' - Simon Johnson at Baseline Scenario points out there is a risk of a Lehman-style contagion brewing in the ugly European situation, partly because the problems with Credit Default Swaps that caused havoc through Lehman-AIG-Bear Stearns have not gone away. Swap spreads on Spanish and Portugese government debt hit record highs overnight, MarketWatch reported.

As this pressure mounts, we'll see cracks appear also in the private sector. Significant banks and large hedge funds have been selling insurance against default by European sovereigns. As countries lose creditworthiness "“ and, under sufficient pressure, very few government credit ratings will hold up "“ these financial institutions will need to come up with cash to post increasing amounts of collateral against their derivative obligations (yes, the same credit default swaps that triggered the collapse last time). Remember that none of the opaqueness of the credit default swap market has been addressed since the crisis of September 2008. And generalized counter-party risk "“ the fear that your insurer will fail and this will bring down all connected banks "“ raises its ugly head again. In such a situation, investors scramble for the safest assets available "“ "cash", which actually (and ironically, given our budget woes) means short-term US government securities. It's not that the US is in good shape or even has anything approaching a credible medium-term fiscal framework, it's just that everyone else is in much worse shape. Another Lehman/AIG-type situation lurks somewhere on the European continent, and again our purported G7 (or even G20) leaders are slow to see the risk. And this time, given that they already used almost all their fiscal bullets, it will be considerably more difficult for governments to respond effectively when they do wake up.

5. Just like 1992 - Wolfgang Munchau from FT.com compares the worries about the PIIGS' (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) sovereign debt with the mood in markets before Britain was forced out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism by ruthless financial markets (remember George Soros). HT Gertraud via email.

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The last few days have reminded me of the speculative attacks on sterling and the Italian lira in September 1992. Europe's finance ministers and central bankers at the time reacted with anger and incomprehension. Sterling's central parity in the exchange rate mechanism was as unsustainable then as Greek public finances or Spanish wages are today. Today's financial markets correctly perceive the eurozone as not addressing the imbalances. They are confused by shifting signals from Germany and France about a bail-out. Investors have concluded that the probability of a contagious default is rising. They are right. What has not changed since the 1992 crisis is that European policymakers and their economic advisers still lack a basic understanding of how financial markets react to policies or, in this case, to a lack of policies. At the moment, it is totally unclear what would happen should one eurozone country become unable to refinance its debt. I suspect there will be a bail-out, but I am no longer as certain as I once was.

6. 'It will never happen' - US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner says America will never see its AAA credit rating downgraded, Bloomberg reports. He's that confident. Or deluded. Or just plain arrogant. I suppose that's what you can say when you have nuclear powered aircraft carriers, Steve Jobs, Larry Page and Sergey Brin.

"Absolutely not," Geithner said, when asked in an ABC News interview broadcast today whether a downgrade is a concern. "That will never happen to this country." Geithner said investors around the world turn to U.S. Treasury securities and dollar-denominated assets whenever they are worried about global stability. That reflects "basic confidence" in the U.S. and its ability to bounce back from the global recession, he said. Moody's Investors Service Inc. last week said the U.S. government's bond rating will come under pressure in the future unless additional measures are taken to reduce budget deficits projected for the next decade.

7. Chinese default - This Bloomberg story on loansdefaulting in China is interesting for those who believe China has the magic formula and will sail on serenely through the crisis, pumping out growth and exports and sucking in commodities from Australia.

"We work really closely with SASAC, the state-owned enterprise regulator in China, and there are literally trillions and trillions of renminbi of, frankly, defaulting loans already in China that no one is doing anything about," Neil McDonald, a Hong Kong-based business restructuring and insolvency partner with Lovells LLP, said at an Asia-Pacific Loan Market Association conference yesterday. "At some point there's going to be a reckoning for that." China's government is tightening controls, including banks' reserve ratios, to prevent record lending from fueling inflation. The Shanghai office of the China Banking Regulatory Commission warned yesterday that a 10 percent fall in property values would treble the number of delinquent loans in the city. Liu Mingkang, chairman of the CBRC, said Jan. 4 that loans were channeled into stock and property speculation last year, which China has been taking measures to stop. "At some point in China, maybe it will be two, three or five years, but at some point there will be in the property markets and in the markets generally, there will be rationalization of very poor lending practices," McDonald said during the panel discussion on restructuring and refinancing at the Global Loan Market Summit in Hong Kong.

8. 'The biggest bubble of all' - William Pesek at Bloomberg points outthat the biggest bubble of all is the huge stockpiling of reserves by Asian governments and China's US$2.4 trillion in particular.

China's huge arsenal of reserves is increasing its global influence. The trouble is, China is trapped in an arrangement of its own making. As China and other Asian nations buy more and more U.S. Treasuries, it becomes harder to unload them without causing huge capital losses. And so they keep adding to them. "This is a titanically large foreign-exchange trade," says David Simmonds, London-based analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc. "It's the biggest one history has ever seen and there's nowhere for these reserves to go." China aims to diversify out of U.S. Treasuries into other assets and commodities. The question that governments are grappling with is which markets are deep enough to absorb China's riches? Gold? Oil? Euro-area debt? The Madoff family's next Ponzi scheme? The challenge for China alone is like trying to park an Airbus A-380 super-jumbo in a Volkswagen. Like all pyramid schemes, there's no easy end in sight and things could end badly. If the dollar collapses, panicked selling by central banks looking to limit losses would shake global markets more than the U.S. credit crisis has.

9. Hey everyone. We're insolvent -  Sydney-sider John Hempton writes provocatively in his BronteCapital blog about the fiscal crisis confronting the developed world (and China too) as the babyboomers retire. He writes in depth about Australia's solution, which is immigration. He notes in passing that New Zealand is insolvent with a few choice insights... His whole post is well worth a read. His comments on the long term impact of China's one child policy is alarming. It means interest rates will rise in the long term because China will eventually have to sell all its US Treasuries to pay for its elderly. HT Stephen Taylor via email.

New Zealand "“ a country where I used to be a senior Treasury official "“ is alas long run insolvent by any count. Its population doesn't grow much even with immigration "“ and net migration has resulted in sharp negative productivity per head of population as skilled workers tend to move (to Australia) and unskilled workers are imported. The tax and welfare system also does not add up. [New Zealanders are paranoid about Australia as the response to this joke showed. However in truth New Zealand will one day beg to be the seventh Australian state and we will refuse. Also the Treaty of Waitangi is deeply inconsistent with the Australian sensibilities and (I think) law"“ but that is the subject of another post...]

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"Interest rates will rise when

"Interest rates will rise when the Fed stops buying. This will raise interest rates globally. Do home buyers and businesses in New Zealand realise this or are they hoping the Fed will just keep printing ad infinitum".....no no no...Noddyland is on a different planet...our rates are set by our Reserve Bank...we are well safe...never happen...property always rises in value...the ocr sets our rates....we are protected by 'good' govt!....there are no debts here...S&P say we are ok...blah blah blah.....

Re number 2: If anyone

Re number 2: If anyone really is a *good* candidate for Treasury, don't expect Obama to pick them. He'll just pick yet another useless, incompetent Statist hack - this time preferably from the Auto Workers' Union or SEIU...

Key has 4 hours left!...wonder

Key has 4 hours left!...wonder if he has taken the time to read today's 10 at 10!

"Also the Treaty of Waitangi

"Also the Treaty of Waitangi is deeply inconsistent with the Australian sensibilities"

Sure is.

The Aussies should hang their heads in shame for their treatment of Aboriginals.

"US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner

"US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner says America will never see its AAA credit rating downgraded"....WOW!!

The number of the day is "0". There is a 0% chance that Tim Geithner is correct.

"Nothing to see here people"¦move along! It's just Rome Burning!"

Is that a fiddle in your pocket Mr. Geithner or you just happy to see me?

geithner is trying to rally

geithner is trying to rally the us dollar this way they can sustain there deficiet while other central banks around world will talk down there currency like bollard on sunday and aussie reserve bank keeping rates on hold

Bernard, your right to suggest

Bernard, your right to suggest that many kiwi's don't realise how dire the situation is for NZ... it could get a lot worse from here, and I fully expect it to do so. I suspect that the next wave down has already started.

3 hours John!...time is running

3 hours John!...time is running out. Remember now...style is more important than substance..be commanding...show us you have a firm hand on the tiller...

Marc Feber via Zero Hedge

Marc Feber via Zero Hedge also disagrees with Mr. Geithner

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/marc-faber-if-us-was-corporation-its-cr...

Another reason that the rating

Another reason that the rating agencies are completely worthless, untrustworthy and totally corruptable, politicatically motivated organisations..

@ Matt S You're right

@ Matt S
You're right - most NZ'ers don't understand the situation, just as the Greek civil servants and unions who are on strike don't understand their situation. This is the "someone will bail-me-out mentality".
Why - becuase since WWII, the populist governments of the West have moved the welfare system from being a valid safetly net to being a lolly scramble. You don;t need to take any responsilibity, someone will always bail you out and feed you. They have funded this by debt fuelled asset inflation.
These days have ended.... As the historian, neill ferguson states: The polulation of the West has growen fat and lazy and is bankrupt - financially, and politically. Unfortunately no politician has told the people the truth, including John Key, and consequently we live under the illusion that someone will bail us out. this is a very dangeruos illusion. To those of you who worry about the growth of the welfare state - fear not, there soon will not be one, as we simply can't afford it. As they say in Asia - no work, no eat.

<b>1-9 : What a pile

1-9 : What a pile of dreary rubbish ! Do we need a daily dose of nose-bleedingly depressing economic woe ? Nothing vaguey , remotely , good happening in the world of commerce ?

#9 , John Hempton : What a drongo !

Colbert & Dilbert are the highlights . Shows how pathetic the rest of the column is .

Where's the gummy bears ...... must find out how Parksy & Wal are getting on in the big fight , round 13 methinks ...........

Pop over to the <b>NZ

Pop over to the NZ Harold : Fran O'Sullivan has an excellent piece , from Monday's paper , on what JK could &/or should have in his 2 p.m. speech today . Lovely to find a journalist with some optimism , in this fair land , girt-by-sea . [ " Five Big Takeouts that Business Expects from Key's Speech . " ]

Thankyou , John . Brilliant

Thankyou , John . Brilliant links . Funny thing , I kept stopping and replaying the first one at the 25 second mark ...........Hubba bubba . Oooooooh , yeah . Love the yellow and the blue tee-shirts . Gummy bears to you , man !

NZ Refining picks 91pc profit

NZ Refining picks 91pc profit slump after fuel demand falls
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=1062...

Did the super fund go ahead with the purchase of Shell's share?
Refining and service stations would have to be two of the worst investments right now. With peak conventional oil now a reality and new (spare) refining capacity being built in India, the middle East and China you can forget $9.00/barrel refining charges.

Don't these fools do research?

Come on Roger, if you

Come on Roger, if you want news that is always positive and smelling of roses, then there are plenty of those sources to choose from.

I like the fact that there are some sites (like this one) which challenge the status quo, and present an alternative point of view.

My adviser in Goldmoney Sachs

My adviser in Goldmoney Sachs warned me off NZ Refining shares , several time over the last year or so , for the reasons you outline . Declining margins . Cheap imports from Singapore . Etc . And why are professionals such as Shell bailing out of retail in NZ ?

Meebee we should give management of NZ Super to them , and sack A.Orr & the team ?

Yes Matt , but some

Yes Matt , but some , such as #9 are pure whining drivel . Let's have some balance , rather than a steady diet of gruel . Need some good stuff and a touch of funkiness to spark it up . The O'Sullivan article was OK , realistic , local , and ..........ignored here . It seems fashionable to be a financial goth here at interest.co.nz . Low energy , black , and depressing .

[ But your point is noted , and I shall renew my subscription to the " Pollyanna Daily Chronicle & Niceness " ]

John, watched your youtube's -

John, watched your youtube's - great - but then Aussie should not underestimate New Zealand "Green Defense" - as this example clearly demonstrates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b61NtY5YGVg

Walter

Roger it is depressing and

Roger it is depressing and you have to make sure you don't get sucked into a downward spiral of blackness and doom however Jesus H Christ we have to sort things out. You can't live on borrowed money; the money has to be paid back at some stage while we have some room to wiggle.

So right Sean . Matt

So right Sean . Matt & your good self have grounded me back into reality . Henceforth I shall let my shoulders slump , and shall gaze downwards at the earth . Much harder to smile when you're looking down . And I shall refrain from watching Walter's link to the Muppetts' Swedish Chef . Can't have jocularity when there is so much woe in the world . What the hell came over me , gosh darn , must be more alert for the next time that happiness rears its head , and blunderbuss it off with the boom boom . Thanks Chef !

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2qNc188Ps&NR=1

Fran O’Sullivan on RNZ this

Fran O'Sullivan on RNZ this morning - Rod Oram's time slot (11.00)

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/ntn/2010/02/09/business_-_fran_o...

Ooops - off to watch his body language.....

Recommended reading and great charts:

Recommended reading and great charts:
"Velocity Zero- Yet Ripples Propagate Through Time" by Nathan a. Martin

http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2010/01/velocity-zero-yet-ripples-propa...

R.T. ....Butterbean had no distance

R.T. ....Butterbean had no distance in his fat persona......McCall had no idea where he wuz or what he wuz ment to be doing most of the time.

I'm happy R.T. there are always good pickings to be found as the carcasses start to mount and new beginnings abound when the buzzards have feasted and the bones are bleached.

Matt S. said...Another reason that the rating agencies are completely worthless, untrustworthy and totally corruptable, politicatically motivated organisations

..and Wally said in an unrelated thread......"When they acted in a positive manner, they acted for themselves. They still do."

And that about sums it up to so many....many...topics.

Heads up.......Key weak as piss...

Heads up.......Key weak as piss... delivery of corpse..... I fear even the corporation will be dissapointed......

oh dear I feel a dark mood coming on

Goff is at least making a show of it and is committed to his response with gusto.

Shonkey Donkey you appear to lack substance......Bolly was right... you have no chance!!

OK, so here's an idea.

OK, so here's an idea. Take the news above as an opportunity to position yourselves ahead of the game, ahead of the general populous, to maximum advantage when the SHTF. So during any global meltdown you can ride it out nicely, knowing you've protected your assets, while others are being financially ruined, and then when the dust settles you can cherry pick cheap stocks, properties, boats etc from those who were less fortunate enough to listen to the main stream media.

See, there is a silver lining behind the doom and gloom. ;-)

So true , guys .

So true , guys . And having seen the JK tax reform fizzer , I am feeling quite despondent , broken hearted . Ahhhh , the quiet sweet joy of gloom and despair . Promise not to regale you with frivolity and laughter anymore . .......... New Motto : You're born / You eat / You poo / You die : Repeat daily if necessary .

The Greece / Spain /Portugal

The Greece / Spain /Portugal situation is interesting. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard was writing about the strong possiblity of this happening about 2yrs ago ( although he thought Spain would have the biggest problems ). All the other commentators thought he was mad and just anti the EU.
Now we have Joe Stiglitz ( advising the Greek Govt. ) saying Europe should attack the currency speculators
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7191113/Greek-crisis-intens...

We have had some discussion on this site re the effects of the currency gamblers on the NZ$ --- to those economists and others who wondered why some of us commented on the effect of the speculators , this is the extreme of what we were talking about. ( I'm not suggesting this is going happen to NZ but simply this shows how bad it can get. Also I acknowledge the Greek situation is abit more complicated than just a simple attack on their currency)

Staggering stat...Chinese motor car sales

Staggering stat...Chinese motor car sales in Jan...1.66 million...nearly 100% higher than Dec. (cnbc)

100 % ! That's so

100 % ! That's so environmentally irresponsible . ............ . Someone should send those poor folk some bicycles ..............Quick , rouse Russell Norman & the Green Gang !

You guys on this site

You guys on this site have worked yourselves into feeding frenzy over property tax reform.
Usually a animal kingdom phenomenon........ wait on thats us, all the education in the world can't insulate us ( humans) from pack like behavoiur when there is momentum.
"You need balance Grasshopper" to make your way in the world. Don't be led by false prophets masquerading as imformed journalists. In Kiwi language " Get a grip mate"

Roger, I thought you had

Roger, I thought you had a job to go to.
I was always taught that if you DON'T eat and DON'T poo, THEN you will die.
Here I was worrying about John Key taking an axe to my rental income, now you've got me concerned about the workings of my bowels as well...
must stop reading these blogs.....

Don't fret.....even if Key is

Don't fret.....even if Key is a waste of space like all the other politicians. As the global debt bombs explode, high interest rates will do what Key didn't have the fortitude to do. Yes, Bernard, houses and property will become affordable again - even if we're a few years off that point. And, there will be another positive spin-off - govts like ours (i.e. most of them) will probably find themselves with unmanageable deficits and debts....result? Less money to squander. Now, that has to be a positive. We might even get back to minimalist govt. Wouldn't that be nice?
As a last resort, one could migrate to a rural outpost in NZ like Kaikohe and forget about the approaching Depression...many in this country are living in a depression every day, so you won't notice the changes. It's good to start at the bottom - it only leaves you with one way to go...up!

<b>Murray</b> : Mission accomplished !

Murray : Mission accomplished ! Easy peasy . Nice little number , and short hours . My grizzle was with " bob " who inferred that us bloggers aren't workers . ....Twit ! ( him , not you )

Good to hear you're being

Good to hear you're being productive there, Roger. It does amuse me, there is much debate on here about lifting our productivity - judging by the amount of time many bloggers are here they are either unemployed or not very productive in their job ;)

President Obama, Bernanke, and Jim

President Obama, Bernanke, and Jim Cramer are in a MOVIE about hedge funds called "Stock Shock." Even though the movie mostly focuses on Sirius XM stock being naked-short-sold to near bankruptcy (5 cents/share), I liked it because it exposes the dark side of Wall Street and reveals some of their secrets. DVD is everywhere but cheaper at www.stockshockmovie.com

@RT: "professionals such as Shell

@RT: "professionals such as Shell bailing out of retail " Exxon etc are also bailing out of retail, its the global trend for the "big boys". 1) PR wise having a BP/Shell/Mobile badge on the high street with high prices is a disaster....get independents to do it aim the flak at them....especially as 2) the margins are going to be tight...ie no easy kill for them...going forward....

regards

GREETINGS AND FAITHFUL SAYINGS: Greetings

GREETINGS AND FAITHFUL SAYINGS:
Greetings to one and all: In that most precious name. That name which is above every name, the name: "Jesus" ____There's tremendous power in that name. I'd suppose we'll never fully realize all that can truly be accomplished, by us simply calling out that name in true faith.____There's an old, old, gospel song that goes like this: Faith in the Father, faith in the Son, faith in the Holy Spirit, great victories are won. Demons will tremble and sinners will awake, faith in Jehovah will anything shake.____For you who have never come into this realization, if you're reading this, just give him a welcome into your heart and life. You will both feel and see an awesome difference. You will have also purchased the ticket to heaven (by accepting, therefore making him welcome to come into your life. You will also sup from His cup that contains living water. (As did the woman at the well of Bethesda.) John 4:10____Much love, ____Your brother in Christ Jesus, who is both our Lord, and Savior.____www.eloquentbooks.com/BeyondTheGoldenSunsetAndByT... "http://www.eloquentbooks.com/OffToVisitTheProphetElijah____" ...

Holy shit Batman , is

Holy shit Batman , is it Sundah already . .......... Off to church nowwwwwwwwwww

Can't have no fun ,

Can't have no fun , you guys are onto the spammers altogether too quickly ! Praise the Lord for UGG's persistence .

I nicked this because it

I nicked this because it ought to be what Lockwood reads to the monkeys each time he kicks off the circus:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/art...
..."since its Government has announced drastic tax increases, reductions in public sector wages and reforms to its pension systems designed to reduce its budget deficit by 9 per cent of GDP over the next three years. And despite all these painful reforms, the 'bleep bleep' Government's popularity has risen since it won a big election victory four months ago, suggesting that it will probably be able to carry out its plans...."
Now I am not sure of the NZ % in this case but the message is clear to me. I wonder if Bill would understand it!

Dude , where were you

Dude , where were you during the fight ? Iain battled on solo for the last 3 rounds , and nearly won ! [ Typical Social Credit , oblivious to the general lack of interest . ]