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Neville Bennett By Neville Bennett I attended a seminar recently given by one of New Zealand's most eminent academics. Professor Leslie Young is part of the diaspora. A Kiwi, of Chinese ethnic origin, he has an Oxford Ph.D. in Maths but has moved into economics and finance. Teaching briefly at Canterbury in the 1970's, he held a chair in the University of Texas and more recently at Chinese University, Hong Kong. His brilliant seminar combined philosophy and history with economics and dazzling statistics. It was a preview of a forthcoming book. His theme was the US's and China's contrasting stimulus packages. I will be reviewing his argument on the US next week; suffice it to say that the professor is scathing on the US. He is very positive about China, and his argument challenged my skepticism.

Skepticism has always been important in intellectual life, but I think it is increasingly important in a global life, often moved by similar stimulus, plus a lot of spin. My view of the Chinese economy, if distilled to some very crude major points were that:

  • China is a dual economy.
  • The market economy is something like an enclave attached to coastal areas and geared to world markets. It started essentially as an area which often adopted foreign designs and completed them with assembled components made in South Korea, Thailand etc. While it has been extremely dynamic, some of its products like toys have been severely hit by the downturn.
  • The bigger economy is state run, and it combines rural and urban units. Farmers are ill-paid, lowly capitalized, with low productivity. The State"“run enterprises are often basket cases previously available for peanuts. It is producing goods that no one wants, but the Government would face revolt if it closed them down.
  • China had to grow the market economy frantically to absorb surplus labour and resources in the state economy. A lessened rate risked disaffection.
  • Chinese statistics were unreliable.
  • The share market was a bubble caused by too few outlets for Chinese savings.
  • The banking system has made too many loans, and could come under pressure if normal banking rules operated.
  • I have written a lot recently about China's dissatisfaction with the US dollar as a reserve currency, and it desire to put is savings to work by buying access to commodity production in Iran, Brazil, Australia etc.

By the time the seminar had finished, I realized that I was perhaps out of date in my perceptions of the state sector: according to Prof. Young it is now very dynamic with pragmatic, effective leaders. Moreover, instead of importing components from S. Korea etc., China has created new industries at home, creating a kind of S. Korea within China. It is more fully industrialized than it was formerly, with broad-based development. In short, Prof. Young challenged my concept of China on a knife's edge, forced to take risks to escape disaster. To my delight, Young explored China's past failure to deal with complexity. I forego the history here, but accept his conclusion that China's industrial development had been held back by a lack of formal system of rules and abstractions that encouraged and managed the complex division of labour, and the accumulation of capital which required channeling into investment. Modern China has used the price mechanism to decentralize by growing (a) the private sector that required entrepreneurship more than capital, and (b) a quasi-state sector comprising capital-intensive industries. Entrepreneurs raised money informally and invested profits for expansion. They have high cash reserves and little debt. State enterprises used capital markets (stock market, banks), but a web of political/personal networks is crucial. A default would violate obligations and cause social unrest. The stimulus package is $NZ936 billion which will keep growth at over 7% and 8% next year. Growth is also being fueled at present by bank loans and land sales. Investment increased a colossal 39% this year. So while trade has contracted, the economy is reacting to a positive domestic stimulus. Corporate profits are the other great source of investment. Profits have skyrocketed in both light and heavy industry as a result of exports and displacing foreign imports. Chinese industry is thriving on invested savings, while the rest of the world is saving and investing less. China continues to build capacity. It then seizes market share at home and abroad. Moreover, Chinese companies have bought tens of billions of dollars of assets in Iran, Brazil, Russia, Venezuela, Australia and France where prices have fallen in the crisis. The Commerce Ministry organized a shopping expedition in February. A team of 90 executives toured Europe, buying assets in Germany, Switzerland, Spain and the UK. Some deals were huge: $10 bn in Germany, $2 billion in the UK, and $320 million in Spain. It is also investing hugely in retraining workers. In Guangdong Province alone 4 million workers this year will have 3 or 6 month courses. The comparable program in the US is the Workforce Investment Act which will train only 250,000 workers "” one sixteenth of Guangdong's program. Education at tertiary and secondary level is also booming. China will soon have a highly educated workforce. Indeed, the number of universities being constructed may be turning out too many graduates. Education could be China's sub-prime. Leslie Young recently went to a town which he had not heard of previously: it had 11 universities. The government disperses jobless graduates (to prevent tension) by offering jobs in country schools in return for overlooking their student loans. While western pension schemes are reeling in shock, China is making provision by forcing promoters of new share issues (IPOs) to donate 10% to the state fund. This is ingenious, and likely to be more feisty than in NZ where IPOs have been rare. Health services are a problem. Patients have to pay for access, and injured people who cannot pay are turned away. This could be a core motivation for Chinese household saving. The US stimulus program is floundering. Little has yet been spent. But China's is going ahead quickly, and is well conceived unlike the US's pork-barrel. Of China's stimulus package, 45% will be spent on transport and power infrastructure; 25% on earthquake reconstruction; with smaller amounts on rural infrastructures, environmental improvement, public housing and R&D. Officials have to get things done. Word has come down from Beijing to spend. They obey enthusiastically. They perhaps sell some public assets and get huge bank loans, but they get the job done (while keeping a modest amount for themselves). I found several of Professor Young's less formal comments illuminating. I wanted to know how the state enterprises were now the source of huge profits. The gist is meritocracy. The Communist Party is pragmatic. It promotes people who manage well. An entrepreneur might make a large contribution to exports. He will be honoured and get to meet bigwigs. If he continues well, he might become a mayor or even a governor. My skepticism is modified; China is stronger than I thought. Its stimulus package is working, and China has registered growth at a rate of 8% over the last quarter. Next week I will share Professor Young's views on the corruption of the Washington and Wall Street elites.

____________ * Neville Bennett was a long-time Senior Lecturer in History at the University of Canterbury, where he taught since 1971. His focus is economic history and markets.

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People can say all they

People can say all they like about what a great system China runs compared to USA, but the most important thing about a country is how it treats it's own citizens; you will never see the USA have their own army drive tanks over top of it's own citizens in downtown New York.

China is going to either end up with a huge peasant uprising, or a war against the USA (probably both actually) because of the program it is pursuing.

Never? At Kent State University,

Never?
At Kent State University, there was a demonstration with about 500 students. The Ohio National Guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others.

TumTeTum, now just you hang

TumTeTum, now just you hang on a bit there pardner, we got us a real good history that you sure aint familiar with son. Why we didn't let them Indian people become citizens until 1927 and by then we had dun gone stolen nearly every bit of good dirt they once lived on. We even booted them off some crappy reservation that we left them to die on, because we found it had a heap of coal under it. Oh yeah we sure have us a history stuffed full with every manner of political corruption, government theft, ethnic slaughter and racial murder in the name of democracy. "how it treats it's own citizens" hahahahaha, oh sonny you have me fit to burst with laughter.

Thanks for a most informative

Thanks for a most informative article Neville. Do we have any assets left we could could sell to China?

30 million Native Americans killed. 30 million. 30 million.

Australia slaughtered the Aborigines, and

Australia slaughtered the Aborigines, and New Zealand weren't too kind to the Maori either - every country in history is guilty of this sort of thing. (I'm not trying to minimise the awfulness of it either.)

Have the US government, or the Australian government, or the NZ government apoligised for their wrongs? Yes; so it is unlikely to happen again. Has China apologised for the tragedy in Tiananmen Square? No; so watch out.

What I was trying to say is that the Western style of government - or democracy - allows the people to hold its rulers accountable. You would be rather brave or foolish to try and say that the government of China operates the same.

China will be at war within 20 years. There is overwhelming evidence that this is true - evidence which 99% of the world is turning a blind eye to, hoping it will go away.

As a parting shot: imagaine the uproar if the US had been the first to shoot a satellite down with a missile!

TumTeTum, face it,you just don't

TumTeTum, face it,you just don't like the idea of China being better.

Yes, I've faced it Wally

Yes, I've faced it Wally - I don't like the idea of a country gaining international influence that has no conscience for what is right or wrong. You could beat me about the head with the terrible history of the U.S.A. all day; but I know which government I'd rather trust.

It would ease my concern if you could give me some examples of things China has done at cost to itself, for the benefit of another nation. (On a par with what the U.S.A. did for Kosovo, for example.)

Popularity means nothing - Hitler's Germany was popular internationally until it started killing people outside of Germany.

TumTemTum is correct the Chinese

TumTemTum is correct the Chinese system as we see today will not work in the future.

As the Chinese middle class grows they will demand more say, which I don't think they will get with out the use of violence, I don't see the government peacefully handing over power or even sharing that power.

" I know which government

" I know which government I'd rather trust" good for you TumTeTum. I trust none of them.

Thank you David Cook! Good

Thank you David Cook! Good to see someone else who goes by facts rather than popular opinion!!!

My opinion is that to try and keep power and keep the people happy, they will look for an opportunity to go to war to gain resources China lacks. The Rio Tinto crisis is exactly the type of thing which could lead to war within a decade. I don't think war will happen over this though, because they still have a long way to go with building up their Navy before they could sustain a war against the U.S.A.

Anyone who thinks I am crazy should do some research on China's current military stategy. Scary stuff.

Try living in Somalia Wally.

Try living in Somalia Wally. (No government there).

TumTeTum, you make this comment

TumTeTum, you make this comment " they will look for an opportunity to go to war to gain resources " Why would they risk the cost and destruction of war to steal what they are able to buy? There is a risk out there to our way of life TumTeTum. Or would you argue that the US involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, is some form of colonialism? What you are likely to see are Chinese troops alongside US troops, (yes you read me correctly because it has happened before and many of the troops involved are still alive to tell the story) fighting together against a very real evil that is a threat to what we call a western way of life. I think you will see the Chinese navy and the US navy involved in combined training.

Interesting comment Wally. I've been

Interesting comment Wally.

I've been wondering when commentators would focus on the obvious shared interests between the Chinese and the Americans. Not to mention the Gordian knot that the Chinese have gotten themselves into with stupendous amount of US gilts they have purchased.

Interesting reply Wally. Explain to

Interesting reply Wally. Explain to me China's reasoning regarding their handling of the Rio Tinto crisis.

The conflict you refer to I presume is WWII, at which point China had a very different government.

What you say about US joining forces with China is possible I suppose, regarding the Muslim extremists threat, but this is only a small issue for China when you look at the statistics of the number of 'incidents' (riots) they are dealing with per year now.

(No, I don't see the US involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq as colonialism, as you probably guessed.)

Back to the topic at

Back to the topic at hand...

China does appear to be achieving significant growth through major investment in new capacity and stockpiling resources. It is, apparently, all debt funded thanks to a government mandate/edict to the banks to lend.

IMHO, that sounds a little bit like a debt-fueled bubble, and we know where that ends. Maybe domestic Chinese and/or international growth will pick up that slack. Maybe not - maybe its just future growth-killing excess capacity.

I am increasingly taking the view that increasing leverage beyond a certain point can do no more than bring forward future growth (ie, it gives growth now at the expense of future growth). It doesn't necessarily create extra growth in the long run - it just shifts when it occurs.

Pashtun fundamentalist religious nutters and

Pashtun fundamentalist religious nutters and Al-Qaeda terrorists are the real threat TumTeTum. The Rio spat will end with the arrest and imprisonment of the Chinese officials who tried to extract bribes from Rio. Frog eat fly. Snake eat frog. Hu is fly!

We'll wait and see Wally.

We'll wait and see Wally.

TumTeTum you comment about the

TumTeTum you comment about the tanks in Tianamen Square.

The US sent the National Guard to the universities and shot a few students one afternoon only 20 years before Tianamen Square.

Imagine a 100,000 protesters running a demo on the front lawn of the Whitehouse. Would the demonstrators have any chance of remaining there for a month before being moved on. I reckon USA would have no qualms about using military to resolve such a situation.