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Opinion: Tax income from asset sales that is not reinvested
For example, they contend that the incidence of mental illness across the whole population can be as much as five times higher in highly unequal societies compared with the countries with the lowest levels of inequality. A gut reaction to such information is to have society impose corrective actions such as higher taxes on the rich or impose limits on pay differentials. Indeed, the two countries with both the lowest levels of inequality and best social indicators, Sweden (high taxes) and Japan (low pay differentials), are examples of these two approaches. However, what works in one society will not necessarily work in the next. Unlike Sweden and Japan, New Zealand is a land of migrants who demonstrate a very high willingness to pack up and move to where things appear better. It would be counter-productive to obtain equality by encouraging an outflow of capital and talent. A move towards more equal outcomes that begins with consensus has a greater chance of success than one that is imposed. In this regard, it is perhaps not surprising that homogenous societies like that of Sweden and Japan have developed an economic environment that promotes more equal outcomes than more ethnically diverse nations. If this train of thought is correct, initiatives that promote New Zealanders' sense of unity and nation are perhaps required to ensure acceptance of policies that encourage greater equality. Another important issue in terms of equality is being clear about what it is one wants to equalise. Often the debate centres on income equality. However, income is often a poor proxy for wellbeing. More important is our buying power and the long-term security of that buying power. This relates more to wealth and wealth prospects than current income. For many, wealth and income will be one and the same thing, but for others low income is not seen as a factor inhibiting wellbeing. Students on low incomes have strong career prospects, and many elderly can potentially sell down assets in order to live beyond their current incomes. In this respect, entrenched privilege and wealth is the critical barrier to greater levels of equality. For example, studies of equality between races in the US demonstrate that in terms of income equality there has been a catch-up by the non-white population in recent decades, but the gap in terms of wealth has remained persistently wide. Essentially there is a dynastic dimension to wealth inequality. The prospects of children may have more to do with the wealth position of their parents than their innate abilities. A means of correcting for dynastic privilege is to introduce a uniform tax on capital. The absence of bequest taxes, in combination with a lack of uniform tax on capital, is a stark aberration in the New Zealand tax system. A legitimate argument against bequest taxes is that it can force the breakup of businesses into uneconomically sized operations. But without either bequest taxes or a consistent form of tax on capital, we have a tax system that both entrenches privilege and distorts investment decisions. An improvement on the current system would be to tax income from asset sales that is not reinvested. This would allow the inheritance of going concerns or the transfer of capital into new activities, but would tax income from capital that is essentially for the purpose of funding consumption. In this respect the income is no different to wage income, and so should be taxed in an equivalent way. _______________ [1] Wilkinson R and Pickett K (2009) The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better, Allen Lane * This piece first appeared in the Dominion Post on March 21, 2009. Infometrics is an economic information and forecasting company based in Wellington. To find out more, see its website here.
Unfortunately in this piece David
Unfortunately in this piece David shows an inability to construct a cohesive argument as to the advantages of equality (like most of the political left that try).
His example of Sweden (with low income Gini coefficient - 0.25) has a high wealth Gini coefficient - 0.79; so if Sweden is the perfect example he claims of having better outcomes than New Zealand we should be entrenching the wealth disparity that he is wanting to eliminate...
What a load of bollocks.
What a load of bollocks. Typical welfare minded piece.
"What a load of bollocks."
"What a load of bollocks."
Very well summed ....
Disparity is nothing more than a a difference in willingness towards social responsibility.
It is attitude not income...
A person who chooses not to be 'rich' but has good work ethics, a reasonable income for his family, and is able to give his children the basics of education/attitudes and skills needed to survive in that society in the position they so choose.
Such an attitude is then perpetuated in general from one generation to another.
When this is the case a solo parents child can rise to be PM, or a Barber's son may just choose a simple life as a tradesman, but both have good work and social skills responsibility.
A sort of "its not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country " attitude...and history shows no taxing , social engineering , socialist intervention or bloody PC BS is going to make any difference.
So I guess you guys
So I guess you guys in line for reasonable inheritances then ;)
If you are going to tax something, why not inheritances? It has less of an impact on peoples work incentives than an income tax. If the point of tax is to "redistribute" wealth this is a lot more direct than trying to redistribute annual income as well!
I wonder is the guy
I wonder is the guy really" A BEGGAR ON HORSEBACK "
David - referring to: "For
David - referring to:
"For example, they find that people living in countries where incomes are more evenly distributed are more likely to have longer lives and lower rates of obesity, delinquency, depression, and teenage pregnancy than those living in richer countries but where there is more income disparity."
I've not read the book, but did they look at the incidence of these outcomes over time, perhaps going back a few decades, maybe a generation or two, to correlate this incidence with income distribution in the past? I'm asking because I'm thinking maybe these kind of outcomes might just as well be related to aggregate change in character and personal values over time, noting that these kinds of outcomes are in the main a result of personal choice. It might be interesting to see if an apparent lack of choice made any difference in these outcomes in the past. Before I go on, for one of my Uni courses I decided to do a project on teenage pregnancy and although I did not look at the impact of income distribution itself, given Holland, I assume, has essentially a similar income distribution shape to the UK and US, it was interesting to find Holland's teenage pregnancy rate was much lower than UK and US, notwithstanding a supposed more liberal society. That was, supposedly, because in Holland people simply see teenage pregnancy as much less acceptable.
As for inheritance tax, I'm not infavour of that because of the stress it results in for families who end up having to sell farms, homes and business for no other reason than loved one passed away. Seems kind of mercenary to me.
I am however in favour of phasing in an unambiguous capital gains tax, especially if it could be aligned with, an aligned corporate, trust and income tax - because keeping the tax take neutral would very probably mean the latter could all be lower. However my main reason would be to see more investment flow to the productive sector and many might welcome the positive impact on housing affordability, and the fact that the subsidy of those deriving wealth from passive use of an assets is terminated, to the benefit of corporate, trust and income tax payers.
There are simpler more effective ways to avoid "obesity, delinquency, depression, and teenage pregnancy" than introduce taxation that many will see as being based more on envy than growth focused economic policy.
An inheritance tax is a
An inheritance tax is a great idea - why should the offspring of the wealthy be the only beneficiaries of their parents' labours? Isn't that the route to feudalism? Inheritance tax acknowledges the contribution of society to the value of an asset.
If an inherited asset has to be sold to meet inheritance tax obligations, that simply shows that the asset in its current form is uneconomic, i.e. does not produce an economic yield. Forced sales of this type tend to transfer assets to buyers who can make the asset productive. That benefits society as a whole.
The following are causes of
The following are causes of increasing inequality and decreasing social mobility.
Breakdown in traditional marriage. The obvious thing is the disadvantage to children brought up without a father, or with a string of perverse male role models in their lives. But also, marriage across socio-economic groups, and subsequent "inheritance", were powerful reducers of inequality.
Provision of services, etc, with public money, that primarily benefit the wealthy, and the neglect of infrastructure that was a greater benefit, proportionally, to lower income earners. The neglect of roads, and time wasted in congestion, has a disparate impact on the poor, who tend to depend more on motor vehicle use than middle class people who can choose where they live and can organise their life around public transport. The subsidy of cultural centres and art galleries benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor. New Orleans was a classic illustration of the consequences of concentration on trendy cultural vibrancy and the like, by the local administration, at the expense of vital infrastructure that was fought tooth and nail by chardonnay greenies and NIMBY-ists.
Worth a specific mention, are "free" public goods like Water (in some jurisdictions). In so far as poorer people use a lot less and yet pay for the resource, and wealthier people use a lot more, the cost burden falls disproportionately on the poor in comparison to politically unfashionable "user pays" systems.
Background reading: "Back To Basics", by Joel Kotkin
http://www.joelkotkin.com/Urban_Affairs/NAF_GrowthStrategy.pdf
The "conservation" of land, and restrictive zoning, has a disparate impact on the poor, on the young and those who do not own properties, in favour of the more well-off who maintain their nice views and surroundings, while property values escalate out of reach of all who are not already on the gravy boat. An excellent article in this respect, is "Green Disparate Impact", by Thomas Sowell. (The "poor" population of California is actually being driven out of state by escalating property values).
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/01/15/green_dispara...
Also, in "The Housing Bubble and the Boomer Generation", Robert Bruegmann argues that this phenomenon has resulted in "the greatest wealth transfer in history", in favour of older, existing home owners, at the expense of young, first home buyers.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/00452-the-housing-bubble-and-boomer-...
Increases in regulatory expense, like RMA costs, and the costs of obtaining licenses for commercial activity and the like, tend to inequality. A James Wattie could start up a food canning business in his garage. These "rags to riches" stories, are no longer possible, except perhaps in the entertainment industry.
This phenomenon is well covered in the book "The Mystery of Capital" by Hernando DeSoto. Interestingly, well-established larger businesses like this phenomenon, as it keeps competition to a minimum, hence the little-publicised support of many wealthy people for regulatory, socialist politics. Incidentally, that is not "Capitalism" although the cunning socialists "spin" the issues so it gets blamed on "Capitalism". (The correct term is Socialist Parasitism). More recommended reading: "Intellectual Class Wars", by David Horowitz, "Freedom of Opportunity, Not Equality of Opportunity" by George Reisman, and "Scratching By: How Government Creates Poverty as We Know it", By Charles Johnson:
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=8204
The subsidy of tertiary education with public money. Tertiary education itself, tends to increase inequality. To use taxes, which must remain necessarily high on low income earners, to subsidise this, only worsens the situation. An outright free market situation with all students paying fees, and a broader use of direct student-based "scholarships", would actually produce less inequality than the system we have now, and would produce much better results in terms of relevant qualifications. I suggest too, that many of the poorer folk who do make it to Uni under the current system, could be tending to make poorer choices of qualification, which would be eliminated by better guidance under a scholarship-based system especially scholarships funded by private enterprise which knows of its needs for people with certain qualifications.
California is probably the outstanding illustration. Its government is avowed Liberal Left, and yet a recent article made this comment:
"....As recently as the 1980s, Californians generally got richer faster than other Americans did. Now, median household income growth trails the national average while the already large divide between the social classes"”often bemoaned by the state's political left"”grows faster than in the rest of the country....."
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/november-december-magazine/sundown-...
Lastly, the trend for wealthier people to have children later in life, and have less of them, while poorer people still have larger families, tend to start earlier, and the worst of all are, sadly, early-starting solo mothers; this is a guaranteed recipe for cross-generational poverty.
What a load of socialist
What a load of socialist bollocks.
Stop taxing people altogether. Most tax is wasted. Try to tax inheritance and watch the lawyers go to work all over again.
Les, Phil, interesting comments -
Les, Phil, interesting comments - I will send them to David to have a read.
Robert - I think that deep down the purpose of the article was to show that a uniform tax on capital could be a better way to raise the revenue government spends than an income tax. He wasn't arguing that we should do it anyway. The government determines spending - we are then stuck trying to set tax policy to meet a dual mandate of "fairness" as determined by the government and getting the money that is being spent. Its ugly to have to think of things this way - but David was just trying to show a way it could be improved from where it is now.
Matt - understood. David -
Matt - understood.
David - I forgot to say, I did some thinking along similar lines for a similar the reason I stated above, to refine/replace the intent rule, see:
http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/02/02/guest-blog-hugh...
Don't bother following up on my input to the NZX website blog associated with David Skilling and Mark Weldon's "˜Swan Dive or Belly Flop' paper. I've referred you to what was in that, in your piece on an independent body to set tax rates, here:
http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/03/06/new-zealand-cou...
However, my reviews of the two books I recommended:
Culture and Prosperity: the truth about markets "“ why some nations are rich but most remain poor. John Kay, 2003, Harper Business.
The Origin of Wealth - Evolution, Complexity, and the Radical Remaking of Economics. Eric D. Beinhocker, 2006, Harvard Business School Press. Again just briefly:
are now on the NZMEA website and can be downloaded from the top part of this page:
http://www.mea.org.nz/events.aspx
A review of the Wilkinson
A review of the Wilkinson and Pickett book here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/15/equality-economy-wil...