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Have your say: Govt wants more private sector help with infrastructure
Finance and Infrastructure Minister Bill English has indicated the need for more private sector involvement in national infrastructure projects as the government tries to boost infrastructure investment and productivity. In a speech to the New Zealand Council for Infrastructure Development, English pointed to the importance of Public Private Partnerships (PPP) in managing risks and maximising the economic efficiency of infrastructure investment. English said that the private sector generally remained better at assessing investment risks than the public sector, and hence the government was open to involving the private sector more in infrastructure decisions and projects:
The accepted wisdom is that all investments contain a bundle of activities. They include forecasting demand, designing facilities, obtaining regulatory approval, construction, financing, operating and maintenance. Public-private arrangements are about unbundling these activities, so that each side undertakes the parts it does best. For some projects, this is complicated. Even so, the gains can be worth it. The important lesson is that every investment carries risk, regardless of how it is financed. Our intended $7.5 billion of capital spending over the next few years contains a great deal of design, patronage and construction risk "“ it's just that they are seldom separately identified. From a taxpayer perspective, the fact that these risks exist is an argument for, not against, some private sector involvement. The private sector generally remains better at assessing and managing risks than the public sector. In a sense, New Zealand already uses the private sector more than it might first appear. The Government does not build infrastructure, it mostly designs and finances it. The private sector undertakes construction.
English also traced the current theme of using Australia as an example for where New Zealand could be headed with its infrastructure policies.
From overseas experience, it's apparent that, with some projects, private sector innovation can provide a better asset for a cheaper whole of life cost. We can get some idea about how the New Zealand market might evolve by looking across the Tasman. The Australian infrastructure industry is deep, well developed and vibrant. Most of your organisations will have Australian connections, and will no doubt expect New Zealand to become somewhat integrated, with similar players and practices. That is our expectation as well. It is interesting to examine Australia's record. The first private public partnership projects were completed more than 20 years ago. All states have participated, with Victoria being the acknowledged leader. Since 2000, around 50 major PPP projects worth about $30 billion have been completed in Australia. They range from the traditional road, rail, water and energy, through to areas such as defence facilities, hospitals, schools, prisons and radio networks. These totals are impressive. Total Australian infrastructure spending is running at around A$50 billion a year, or almost 5 per cent of gross domestic product. Less than 20 per cent of total Australian spending is financed privately. Most infrastructure remains traditionally funded. I'm sure this will also be the case in New Zealand. I believe the Australian experience can usefully help a more sophisticated discussion in New Zealand.
One area in which a there could be more private sector involvement was prison construction, English said.
For example, in response to prison population forecasts, the Corrections Department is investigating building more prisons. There is a range of opportunities for more private sector participation in this process "” from the current approach where private sector input is limited - through to designing, financing, building, operating and maintaining prison facilities. We've asked Corrections to look at alternatives to conventional procurement for delivering extra capacity "“ including a new prison. We're happy to proceed with that if the case stacks up. We expect to be in a position to make decisions about that early next year. We want to see options genuinely considered and appraised "” not simply ruled out on the basis of some ideological knee-jerk response or for political expediency.
English said there had been a strong level of interest from the private sector in the government's infrastructure plans, but warned they would only enter into PPP arrangements if they 'made sense' and would increase the performance of public assets.
The Government will enter in to PPPs only if they work and deliver value for taxpayers. Our interest is in increasing the performance of public assets across the board. I have been impressed by the level of interest from the market in working with the Government. But let me be clear "“ this is not about ideology: Private sector involvement will happen only where it makes sense, period.
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What are your views? Should the government involve the private sector more as it sets infrastructure policy? What are the pros and cons of more private sector involvement in national infrastructure policy? We welcome your comments below.
Yes, where it makes economic
Yes, where it makes economic and performance sense.
Yes, more private sector involvement
Yes, more private sector involvement in infrastructure policy. "They include forecasting demand, designing facilities, obtaining regulatory approval, construction, financing, operating and maintenance" - clearly room for efficiency gains.
Pro - "The private sector generally remains better at assessing and managing risks than the public sector". Wow, really? All this time and I never knew. At least some of our tax dollars will be spent efficiently?
Con - "You cant trust the corporations" argument from belligerent hippy types...? Im not well versed in infrastructure projects but havent plenty of private and public sector projects been complete flops? Misappropriation of public funds couldnt be a con could it? (When this already occurs widely in the public sector - lesser of 2 evils argument?)
At least its clear when the private sector screws up. I dont think there will be a mortgagee sale of government house any time soon.
Luke: The Building is done
Luke: The Building is done by private building companies today....the problem with private financing is private financing often expects an un-reasonable monopoly to make it "worth their while" and of course Govns are stupid enought to agree. So what seems to happen (or can) is instead the public sector screws up in picking/partnering with private finance stage instead in managing and paying for a project stage ie its goes over-budget...if you look at toll roads as a classic bad example, the cost to the country for private financing and recovery via tolls costs more in the long run than just simply paying for it, straight off....its easy to manage a project badly, heaven knows Ive seen enough.
testing one,two,three just testing if
testing one,two,three
just testing if I can get a post to work yet?
How about we get back
How about we get back Fay & Richwhite - they work wonders with public assets. Or maybe those guru's that run those uber successful PPP road and tunnel companies in Australia. Come to think of it, where is a successful example that gives a profit to the private sector and a fair return to the crown, and doesn't leave the taxpayer holding the bag when it goes pear shaped. The reason the private sector doesn't build ports, railways and roads by itself, without a taxpayer backstop, especially in a small country like NZ, is the virtually 100% chance of not being able to service the debt at some point. If the channel tunnel surrounded by a market as huge as Western Europe can't make it pay, in a country like ours the terms would have to be so far skewed in favour of the private sector the government may as well finance it themselves. Often their only chance is to get the thing built and then float it as quickly as possible and leave the shareholders to carry the loss a few years later. Then guess what. The government steps in to pick up the pieces.
Cast your eyes over to
Cast your eyes over to New South Wales and observe how the Public-Private Partnerships have resulted in extortionate monopoly rents to the private part of the partnership along with restrictions on the public designed to channel the paying public through the tollways.
For example, look at the restrictions built in. Like closing off alternative routes to force the paying public through the toll roads. Makes the locals who have to negotiate the deliberately introduced choke points real happy.
Another public interest measure is when the Government agrees to not setting up any public transport system in the area of the toll road so the private part of the partnership maximises revenue.
From a different frame of reference, the private part is looking to maximise profit. And they don't care about the public good. Its hard to have a charitable view of the negotiating skills of the Government negotiators. Some of the choices made and concessions given beggar belief
A google on "NSW public private partnership" threw up this link
http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/nsw/content/2005/s1483484.htm
Public Private Parasites. We don't
Public Private Parasites.
We don't have that shorter memories in this country do we. We know PPPs of a nations necessities of live, strategic assets, historically lead to pravatisation of the profits and socialisation of the losses. The private element can come and go at will while the tax payer is beholden for the longterm. Thus, it has been proven time and time again that the private parasites will pull a number of dodgy scams in their quest of a big payday at the taxpayers expense, reinvesting nothing and reducing maintanence to make it appear profits have risen, then selling their share for capital gain before the maintanence deficit becomes all to obvious. Then when the strategic asset needs rebuilding the taxpayer gets left footing the bill. Or, the PPP will borrow a boat load of debt and use creative accounting to make it appear profits have increased, once again providing the private parasite an opportunity to jump ship and crystilise their capital gains and leave the taxpayer lumbered with the debt. In some cases credit has been borrowed and channeled into the personal accounts or corporate entities of the private parasites and the balance sheet left to be refloated by the taxpayer.
This has occured in most every nation that has been forced to open its borders to direct foreign investment when predatory lending practices of the central bankers drove them into debt repayment crisis and ultimately conditions of receivership at the hands of the central bankers, and you quessed it, in most cases the private parasite multinational corporations just happen to be majority stakeholder owned by the central bankers.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?&act_id=16817
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/monitorissues/2009/04/monitorissue2215/...
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/water/private-vs-public/economic-failures
If this is allowed to happen again the damage will be almost irreversible. Just look at the recent example of the Banks deciding to appeal what was a revolving door tax avoidence system because they know the legal costs would broke the nation well before their legal costs will ever reach anywhere near what it has been judged they should repay. And, they now know they have a sympathetic cabinet executive at the helm.
What is always given as the reason we have to turn to these parasites, "we dont have the money to do it, so we must look to the private sector" any regular reader of this blog knows we have the sovereign right to issue our own money backed by our own resources. There should be no foreign owned multinational selling our own wind back to us for foreign profit.
Private Public Parasites = Privatise
Private Public Parasites = Privatise the gains, Socialise the loses, plain and repeatedly simple. If NZ allow themselves to be railroaded(pun intended) into this again, it may well be irreversible as any attempt to act against the indecent anto social activities of the multinational central banker corporate subsidiaries will be attacked in the international courts as NZ acting to expropriate what are now "their" resources.
As will be proven the case in the current Banking debacle, where the banks have been found guilty of operating a revolving door tax avoidence scheme, yet are going to appeal, as the know due to our current account position we do not have the funds to continue the fight, or if we do it plays into their hands anyway.
Come on sheoples, lets snap out of lay down and give up mentallity.
I sincerely hope that before
I sincerely hope that before NZ imports these new economic cost saving theories, they take the trouble and small cost involved to take a business class/fist class trip to the UK to interview the schools, prisons, hospitals etc that UNDERSTAND the implications involved for future taxpayers, and their own budgets in rental/maintenance costs vs. the huge income streams to private investors. DON'T GO THERE NZ unless you have some really sophisticated negotiators/contract managers in government (Yeah right!!!). I would be very dubious given the interests NZ's politicians (of all persuasions) have in property.
What every tax paying and
What every tax paying and voting person in NZ (or any other country for that matter) should ask are a few simple questions:
Q: Where does the government get the funding from for any public building projects (and everything else the government administers) in the normal course of running a government on behalf of all people?
A: Taxes
Q: If WE, THE TAX PAYING PUBLIC collectively don't have the money to pay enough taxes to enable the government to save enough cash to build (or even maintain) "greater good" public projects, why would WE, THE TAX PAYING PUBLIC have the cash to pay a private operator? (Assumption: what you gain in efficiency of costs by using a motivated private operator, you lose by paying for profits)
A: ...use your own head to come up with that one, I am sure everyone has enough brains to figure that one out.
There is no such thing as a private public "partnership", there is government for common public services and benefits for the "Greater common good", and there is pure motivation for maximum profit possible in private companies. The two are diametrically opposed. What would make anyone think that these two principles can co-exist happily without any conflicting motivations and actions?
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT a socialist at all, but the last few decades particularly have shown that uncontrolled greed combined with gullible government WILL make sure we all will pay a lot more for our public facilities if profit is the main motivation for building them!
Like an old adage goes, if you need it or want it and you don't have the money, save up for it! And if you haven't saved up for it, then you just can't have it...
CTNZ - good post, but
CTNZ - good post, but slightly wrong,
Q: Where does the government get the funding from for any public building projects (and everything else the government administers) in the normal course of running a government on behalf of all people?
A: Taxes
The answer is wrong, given that 97% of our money supply enters circulation as interest bearing debt to the private international banking network, we collect taxes to pay back "debt" that we are forced to borrow first before we can supply any service.
For a sample of the result of PPPs from around the world:
http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/08/12/have-your-say-g...