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Have your say: Should we wish Eric Watson a happy 50th birthday party?
The NBR is reporting that Hanover Finance co-owner Eric Watson is planning to celebrate his 50th birthday with an extravagant theme party in Istanbul this weekend for him and his best friends, including the lawyers who advised on Hanover's moratorium and his business partner Mark Hotchin. He appears to be carrying on where Hotchin left off, who celebrated his 50th birthday party on the exclusive NZ$1,160 a night Fiji Island of Vomo with 80 of his best friends, including Watson. Here's what the NBR is saying.
In the midst of the "Great Recession" the flamboyant, yet controversial Mr Watson is celebrating his birthday over two days, holding a cocktail party on Friday April 10 "“ his actual birthday "“ and a dinner and themed party on the Saturday night. NBR was unable to confirm rumours that the themed event includes a trip on the ultimate symbol of luxury "“ the Orient Express "“ but can confirm that a contingent of guests are joining the party from New Zealand.
The NBR says the party flying to Istanbul include lawyers from Chapman Tripp.
Messers Watson and Hotchin haven't always seen eye to eye and have long harboured a secret battle in terms of their NBR Rich List ranking "“ one always looking to get annual bragging rights over the other. Last year Mr Watson was valued at $450 million; Mr Hotchin less than half that at $200 million. Whether Mr Watson's Istanbul party is twice as good as Vomo remains to be seen but clearly it will cost significantly more. A first class flight on Singapore Airlines from Auckland to Istanbul this weekend costs more than $13,000. A return ticket cattle class costs $3000.
What I think Watson didn't attend the Hanover Finance moratorium meeting in December, which gave an early indication of his level of concern for the 17,000 investors owed NZ$553 million by Hanover Finance. Many will not see their money back for 5 years. It's a pity Mr Watson is not delaying his party for 5 years. I'd suggest each one of these investors ask to be invited to Istanbul at Watson's expense to share the good times. I'd suggest they fly first class because many are elderly and need some relaxation after a tough year or so. Some who are looking to recover their money could choose to cash in those tickets, which are worth about a third of the average owed by Mr Hotchin and Mr Watson to each investor. I would suggest that any one of these investors who bumps into Mr Watson at a Warriors game or the Tua vs Cameron fight asks him politely for their money back. I would suggest they tell Mr Watson how they have felt upon learning that their investment in his company did not 'weather the storms'. I would suggest they tell him about their sleepless nights, their need to return to work to top up their retirement savings, their non-existent private medical care and the sick feeling in the pits of their stomachs upon learning Mr Watson was spending their money on a party in Istanbul. I would suggest that spectators at the next Warriors match stand to a man, woman and child and boo Mr Watson and Mr Hotchin. I would suggest that people shun Mr Watson and Mr Hanover from any social or business activity in this country. I would politely suggest that Mr Hotchin and Mr Watson stay in Istanbul after their party. Your view? Comments below please.
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Well said Bernard. NZ has
Well said Bernard. NZ has been plundered by the likes of Watson (Fay & Richwhite et al).
If we had a decent securities watchdog, some of these guys would be guests of the state.
I wonder if Russell Crowe got an invite.
Bernard! Haven't you realised, after
Bernard! Haven't you realised, after all your experience and training , that good guys finish last! "The system", in all its forms, is there to be used by the likes of Watson and Hothcin to their own advantage, not to protect the innocent.
Would sack cloth and ashes
Would sack cloth and ashes be in order ,would seem appropiate being' LENT' indeed the word takes on massive connotations
I say well done Eric,
I say well done Eric, Istanbul is a wonderful venue for a special occasion like that. You could party in one of those ancient Roman cisterns restaurants. $13,000 for a first class cabin on Singapore Airlines new Airbus 380 is well worth the money unfortunately you have to slum it to Singapore first in the 777 before you board the A380. And well done for holding on to much of your wealth in these turbulent times. Entrepreneurs like Eric need uneducated punters in order to accumulate wealth. New Zealanders who invested in him and others deserve nothing better.
The current system appears to
The current system appears to have no real protection for the small investor.
Eric builds a company, purchases some advertising that states "give me money" and people do it. Then Eric states times are tough and decides not to give it all back. How is this different from theft ? 1. Original owners of the money chose to give it.
2. Lawyers to declare that this is all legal.
The govt is probably the only entity powerful enought to say naughty - but to get them to move against the people that provide them campaign contributions would require kiwis to make this an election issue- maybe a party like the Green party would have less tolerance?
In the meantime, if you want to invest then purchase direct shares or pay down debt first.
I cant help but compare
I cant help but compare Watson and Cullen who stuffed up NZs financial lives and how the inept and inane get rewarded WATSON KEEPS HIS MONEY, and CULLEN GETS THE POSTBANK,or is it the Postbag
@Jill - What will it
@Jill - What will it be Mr Cullen..... the money or the bag?
@Rob - This is one of the reasons NZ invests in housing, it is tangible and you only get ripped off by the real estate agent. If you invest with finance companies, you get sharks running off with your $$$; shares, you get directors like the mob from Feltexl (Pryke - apt ame that!!) ruining the company and so on and so forth.
Wake up and smell the
Wake up and smell the roses, children!!!
Watson et al haven't suddenly whipped off their sheep's clothing and bared their fangs.
Anyone with a smidgen of sense could take one look at Watson et al several years ago, scatched their chinny, chin chins and declined to place their hard earned in their care.
So you believed the accounts, the promises? Expected nanny state to take care of you? Blinded by the minimal premium rates they were paying?
Look at the person, not the numbers would be my advice. Or as my gran used to say "You can tell a lot about a person from the shoes they wear and the company they keep!"
Hey everybody, have we forgotten
Hey everybody, have we forgotten the good old "caveat emptor" thingy ??
Eric is a businessman, he plays by the rules (that's why he's not in jail).
Those old guys got suckered into Hanover because of some miserly 2% more on term deposit has only themselves to blame and further gave Eric 5 more years....?
No wonder even Bruce Sheppard is getting sick and tired of their whinning.
NZ Finance companies is an old fashion scam (as confirmed by the companies office)
and all those who swallowed their line (hook and sinker too) has only themselves to blame. Trust the system?? YEAH RIGHT ! !
Long Live Eric and may he have many more years after all this is long forgotten....
Kin, get your facts right
Kin, get your facts right before posting. Some if the directors of these finance comapnies (eg Nathans Finance/VTL) 'HAVE' misled investors and financial investors, by putting false information in their prospectus, and are getting haulled before the courts Investors can only invest on the information provided, and if the securities commission weren't checking these prospectus and that the information was wrong, then investors have been let down by the NZ system. Also finacne companies were offering over 5% more than you could get in the bank at the time, not just 2%, so you are incorrect on a number of points.
Hard Nose is right, Eric
Hard Nose is right, Eric the Eel has always been a slippery little sod. See him, run like the clappers ! Refresh my memory someone, did not Bruce Sheppard try to get Hanover cashed out and return 80+ cents in the dollar to investors. And didn't the grey-rinse brigage vote instead for a possiility of 100 cents in the dollar, five years hence. As memory serves, Brucie had an apoleptic fit and called the investors a bunch of ungrateful old farts.
Rob : you are so
Rob : you are so right. Silly investors risk 100 % of their savings, chasing an extra 2 or 3 % annual return. The risk/reward ratio is so badly skewered towards failure, one wonders how the heck they were smart enough to build up a nest egg in the first place.
Agree with those who say
Agree with those who say caveat emptor, but given the circumstances this behaviour from Watson is an almost unbelievable display of conceit and poor taste.
I feel for the people
I feel for the people who did invest their money in Watson and Hotchin, but I can't help feeling, that the stupid just continue to be stupid when I see them invest in what can only be described as a hopeless Prospectus issued by Fonterra.
How much legislation do you need? Or rather - how much return do you need?
The birthday party is tasteless, just like the men who attend and indeed the holder of the party himself. As my accountant says - he just doesn't pass the sniff test.
Funny how all these finance companies really got going once stamp duty was abolished - I am not an advocate of stamp duty - but is there a link?
I do think the accounting standards, which allow accrued interest to be recorded as income when the term of payment was not until the end of the project needs investigating. Without this- aren't these guys all running Ponzi schemes?
I am surprised that some
I am surprised that some of these old geezers who lost all their money haven't torched some houses. preferably with the owners in them. There wouldn't be a jury in the land that would convict them. But it must be the older you get the less inclined to violence you get. Which is odd because most of my friends who were socialists in ther youth are now raving fascists.
All power to Eric Watson
All power to Eric Watson for pursuing his "Champagne wishes and caviar dreams".
The investors in Hanover Finance were more than happy to gift him that power at the moratorium meeting in December 2008.
What better way to run out the statutory clock than with a party in Turkey.
OECD , it was called
OECD , it was called sales and marketing, and ELders/Hanover where always good at that. Pricewaterhousecoopers did also recommend a moratorium too, although they probably had a conflict of interest. The whole thing stinks. I doubt you will see Watson returning to NZ for a long time.
I wonder what these peoples parents think about what their finance company owners children have done to hard working kiwis, who were sucked in by these 'almost' ponzi schemes. Perhaps it is like having a son or daughter who is a murderer, you have to continue to love them anyway?
I do want to wish
I do want to wish Eric watson a happy 50th birthday. But how about he celebrate at home with a few friends around for a quiet drink, and put the money he would have spent back into the company to pay back some of the older investors in hanover who may not actually be around in six years time for the payout......... like my dearly loved mum. Perhaps Eric doesnt have a mum he cares about, or else he would understand my distress about his disgustingly decadent birthday party.
I have already written once to Hanover about my dissappointment re the Hanover investments. I told you how my Dad had invested $6,000 with you and that it was due for payout last October and when he applied for it he was turned down. My dad had cancer, and had planned very carefully to put this money aside to pay for his funeral . A couple of weeks before he died he called my brother up and was extremely distressed because he wasnt able to leave enough money for his funeral and he knew that it would just about clean out my mothers bank account to pay for it. Which it has.
My mum and dad have worked extremely hard all their lives and all they have to show for it is a humble two bedroom house which mum now lives in , and a 1986 car and $3,000 in the bank. If mums car packs up she is in the poo. She really could do with that $6,000 which is due her, now, not in 6 years time when she may not even be here. We want mum to have it now, not be left to her estate. I wish the party goers many troubled dreams at night.
Lynne Mitchener
The NBR website has pictures
The NBR website has pictures of Eric's big night here:
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/eric-watsons-50th-revealed-pictures-101350
Nice to see so many men took their daughters.
Shame Russell Crowe can't box.
Brilliant link, Trev. In days
Brilliant link, Trev. In days of old a chap would clear his throat and say of the young lady : "Ahem...she's my....ah, niece" Sometimes "secretary" was the title given. Which puts a whole new meaning to the term " lap top "
Nice to see that Eric has some bosom buddies, to help him get over the trauma of losing all that money, of those poor folks back in NZ.
Roger - excellent post. Good
Roger - excellent post. Good to have a laugh.
We can see that Dignity and Integrity were not on the guest list
Eric worked hard for his
Eric worked hard for his money, let him enjoy it. Good on him!!!
Plus the shareholders had their opportunities to have their say, and he's abiding by their requests i.e. all principle paid back in 5 years.
Come on guys, the reason
Come on guys, the reason Eric Watson didn't front up like a man when he should have is because he didn't want the bad publicity if things went south.
Eric has been a busy boy over here in the US trying to trying to sell jukeboxes (of all things) to investors, who turn out to be unfortunately for him, somewhat more canny than the average Hanover investor. Alas, Eric's Victory Acquisition (you should never tempt fate with a name like that eh?) has just been announced as a miserable failure. Can't get away with blaming the nasty old "market" this time Eric!
My Dad was mates with
My Dad was mates with Eric Watson's old man for many years through horse breeding and racing and apparently he was a very upright down to earth gentleman who would be perturbed at such a situation.
Well, you cannot expect Eric
Well, you cannot expect Eric and Mark to stay home every night just because they owe a lot of people a lot of money. But no wonder they are having to think up other ways of making money. Jukeboxes - really?
I was told by Hotchins
I was told by Hotchins after the Restructuring Meeting in Tauranga when I was having a GO
"Eric lives overseas he does not have many NZ financial interests anymore he could have just walked away from this thing". So now we know who has got a CONSCIENCE. Yehhhh !!!!!!!!!! We were told during the meeting Hotchins wanted to stay in NZ as he had a 5 year old son. So I guess Watson only agreed to it to help his buddy and partner out and the whole thing had nothing to do with caring about their elderly Investors. There was no way I was going to vote for their Restructuring Plan. The company should have been tossed into Receivership that way we could have seen what they had really been up to. And Ohhhhh what about those lies we were told by staff about how well the company was managing the difficult situation. Margaret
I was told by Hotchins
I was told by Hotchins after the Restructuring Meeting in Tauranga when I was having a GO
"Eric lives overseas he does not have many NZ financial interests anymore he could have just walked away from this thing". So now we know who has got a CONSCIENCE. Yehhhh !!!!!!!!!! We were told during the meeting Hotchins wanted to stay in NZ as he had a 5 year old son. So I guess watson only agreed to it to help his buddy and partner out and the whole thing had nothing to do with caring about their elderly Investors. There was no way I was going to vote for their Restructuring Plan. The company should have been tossed into Receivership that way we could have seen what they had really been up to. And Ohhhhh what about those lies we were told by staff about how well the company was managing the difficult situation. Margaret
yep!!!!! Happy Birthday Eric.......I hope
yep!!!!! Happy Birthday Eric.......I hope it's your last one!!!