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Mortgage break-fees in the spotlight
A Sunday Star-Times investigation has found startling differences in the fees banks charge customers to break fixed-rate mortgages, when they are supposed to only recover their costs. And now the Commerce Commission and banking ombudsman are investigating whether customers have been over-charged.
Each year thousands of people will break mortgages as they buy and sell houses, and in recent months a flood of borrowers struggling with high longer-term fixed rate home loans tried to refix them, only to be faced with shocking break fees.
The Star-Times asked the banks to calculate the mortgage break fees on three customer scenarios and in the worst case there was a $16,510 difference in the lowest and highest fees. You can read the full story here >>>
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I fail to see the
I fail to see the issue here. Other than for the reasons of buying/selling why an earth SHOULD people be able to jump in and out of the mortgage terms they have agreed for a particular fixed term. Borrowers don't expect the banks to increase rates on fixed rate deals they have signed up for when interest rates start going up so why should they be able to jump out of an agreement on the way down? Given the banks EVEN ALLOW people to break loans then its up to them how much they whack the borrower for if they want to break the agreement (after all the lender had to obtain the cash in the first place at the higher rate existing when the agreement was made). Its all in the fine print when you sign up - just read the bl++dy stuff before you sign. Yet another marker of Kiwis' fundamental lack of understanding of matters financial (and of the media's proclivity to jump on the faux 'injustice of it all' bandwagon - there are plenty of other genuine rorts out there which need hammering - this is'nt one of them).
Andy, yourself are basing your
Andy, yourself are basing your case on the fact that the banks are re lending someones deposits when issuing mortgages;
"Break fees are limited by the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act 2003 to a reasonable estimate of the loss a bank suffers arising from the repayment in effect the foregone repayments the borrower would have made, which covers both the cost of the money the bank borrowed (from depositors or on international money markets) to make the loan, but also its foregone revenue."
Andy you claim it is yet another example Kiwi's lack of understanding of financial matters. You are correct, if Kiwi's knew that the money they were being loaned and expected to pay back over a period with compounding interest, if they knew that money did not exist, but was written into creation out of freshair only when they signed the dotted line and promised to repay it, as has been admitted many,many times now by the bankers themselves, would you still maintain they should be able to gouge the guts out of you when the loss was only superficial, because you cant ever lose if you get to create it out of nothing.
We should be taking a national class action and suing them.
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/dollar-deception.php
Here's an interesting rort to
Here's an interesting rort to investigate;
http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikatotimes/4821152a6579.html
"A two-bedroom apartment at the Crows Nest was traded at the beginning of 2008 for $450,000 and sold eight months later for $230,000."
How does a "trade" qualify as a sale - how was the "price" for the "trade" arrived at - was a valuer involved - was a Real Estate Agent involved - what was "traded" and how was it's value established?
Those developers have been scammed.
Those developers have been scammed. They will end up selling them at cents on the dollar what they recently got conned into borrowing to buy them for. They will have them sold out from under them by the banks to some cashed up insider who once again got out of the last boom with miraculous timing just before it came tumbling down. The developer will be left with residual debt, the forward purchases burned, Roger Kerr will scream "caveat emptor" and the unaware populous with go "that will serve the high flying dreamers right"
Its great to be living in the land of the free!
I don't have an issue
I don't have an issue at all with break fee. Quite happy that we structured our mortgage on our situation at the time and nothing has changed (yet).
However, what annoyed me the most in the sunday times article (well one of them) was the 3-4 scenarios presented, one of which was property investors, suggesting that the break fee in their situation is tax detuctable. Would this be correct? Yet another burden on the tax paying populace propping up landlords (personally not that fussed about) and property speculators (not at all happy about!)
Im no expert in what
Im no expert in what the actual losses to the bank are
But in simple terms, I would imagine the $ difference in the 2 rates over the remaining term of loan would get one into a ball park figure.
When the free is some 3 to 4 times that figure, that I imagine to be rather excessive.
I do agree in principle to what Any says above in his post
But
"Its all in the fine print when you sign up - just read the bl++dy stuff before you sign."
Yes one can do all the reading and understanding one likes, but at the end of the day one doesnt have any choice to but to sign , other than to sell ones home....not sign.
I dont think the issue is that there should not be fees to break the loan, but the fees are excessive, and in some cases excessive to the extreme with a huge profit added.
Personally it doesnt matter if we personally stick to the higher interest for the next 18 months, the extra interst over the current rates is less than 1 weeks income, hardly worth the time to drive up to the bank....
It is the Principle of having no choice to negoiate the break clause, and forced to agree to an ecessive formula that amounts to exortion.
We have had westpac place
We have had westpac place demands on us to repay our loan. To cut a long story short they want us out and to repay the loan. Are they allowed to charge us a break fee even though they are calling in the loan? Is this normal??
With regards to reading the
With regards to reading the fine print, nothing should alter the fact that some banks in particular are charging 3-4 times the amount of other banks!
A friend of mine just requested a bank fee break cost for her mortgage from BNZ, her mortgage is around $350,000, they quoted her $8000.00 to break out of her mortgage and go to a lower rate. My mortgage is $219,000. Westpac has quoted me a whooping $26,000 to break out of mine! We have the same term left give or take a couple of months, and we are on the exact same interest rate.
Fair enough banks have to charge a break fee, but this is just wrong to have such a huge difference.
Suzanne - you cannot necessarily
Suzanne - you cannot necessarily compare the 2 - BNZ could have accessed the money that they loaned from the money markets to your mate at a far different rate from the one that Westpac used at the time your mortgage was set up. Unless you know the details of when the 2 loans were set up and at what rate each bank borrowed the momey I dont think you can make the comparison you have.