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The formation of the National-ACT-Maori Party government might actually make some changes to the way government and the economy is run.

ACT leader Rodney Hide will be local government and regulatory reform
minister and has forced National to set up a taskforce to review government spending.

Local government is a big problem area with heavy over spending, inflationary pressures and massive infrastructure problems. Rodney Hide might have a few ideas on how to change that.

Meanwhile Pita Sharples will be Maori Affairs Minister and is likely to make changes in how that department is run and how the money is spent. We all might be surprised at how market friendly they might be.

Peter Dunne remains as Revenue Minister, but has managed to get his income splitting bill through a first reading under National.

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Sure will. Can't do any

Sure will.

Can't do any worse that the last lot of abject failures that were the Labour government.

Bernard The ministers you mention

Bernard

The ministers you mention and their associated areas of concern they will address are trivial when one considers the developing macro debacle of trade finance. Read more: http://londonbanker.blogspot.com/2008/11/systemic-risk-contagion-and-tra...

Stephen, I agree there are

Stephen,
I agree there are much bigger forces at work. But it will help to be addressing the underlying local issues so we come out the other side stronger.
cheers
Bernard

Bernard Ummm..how long will it

Bernard

Ummm..how long will it take reverse the effects of 9 years of Helens Rule, Certainly not a single term and JK wants to be elected again. If NZers show any maturity then they will not toss out National in three years, My concern is mad dog Hide, he has to adapt a long term view and not let his new found influence give the looney left ammunition. Currently Gough has been whining and even Mata McCarten sounds like he admires Key

Neven

I think that much of

I think that much of the social manipulation and PC that has taken place over the last 20/30yrs also has a great influence on how well the fiscal policies are going to perform.
EG can NZ afford 'motel' grade prisons...Can we afford to have the RMA knock back or even the expense of the reviews appeals that this has unnecessarily caused.

Bernard Hickey Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Stephen,
"I agree there are much bigger forces at work. But it will help to be addressing the underlying local issues so we come out the other side stronger"

It is my understanding that NZ and Aussie, thu we have problems, they are no where as large as most other countries, and we are in a position of bouncing out to recovery earlier and stronger than most of our competors...
I have a gut feeling (changed from my pre election thoughts) Key may be able to pull this off..if he can keep the rebels in line on the short term objectives

Time will tell.

Stephen I quite often skip

Stephen

I quite often skip read the articles on this site just to get to your comments. Thanks for your perspective and links. This link was especially interesting as I have been trying to find updates about the trade finance issue which I feel is a ticking time bomb.

Bernard While we are assessing

Bernard

While we are assessing the pedigree of the new government to make changes for the better, it would make sense to review Mr Key's background.

It is often quoted that Mr Key's financial experience obtained at Meriill Lynch sets him apart from other politicians when it comes to correcting our financial woes.

At this juncture, I think we need to put Merrill Lynch's reputation into context.

Michael Lewis, the author of 'Liar's Poker', included this anecdote in a recent article -

... "We just shorted Merrill Lynch," Eisman told him.

"Why?" asked Hintz.

"We have a simple thesis," Eisman explained. "There is going to be a calamity, and whenever there is a calamity, Merrill is there." When it came time to bankrupt Orange County with bad advice, Merrill was there. When the internet went bust, Merrill was there. Way back in the 1980s, when the first bond trader was let off his leash and lost hundreds of millions of dollars, Merrill was there to take the hit. That was Eisman's logic"”the logic of Wall Street's pecking order. Goldman Sachs was the big kid who ran the games in this neighborhood. Merrill Lynch was the little fat kid assigned the least pleasant roles, just happy to be a part of things. The game, as Eisman saw it, was Crack the Whip. He assumed Merrill Lynch had taken its assigned place at the end of the chain.....

I recommend reading the full article: http://leavittbrothers.com/essays/20081114_the_end_by_michael_lewis.cfm

Stephen I get a bit

Stephen

I get a bit tired of the "JK was a money trader for ML and therefore will always behave like a ML money trader", You have to ask yourself if that was the case and he is so wedded to the mighty $ why did he give it up to go into politics? I can think of more appropriate apocrypha to describe that sort of character.

Maybe Helen could surprise us all and when she resigns from parliament get a real job.

Neven

Exactly Stephen, and the most

Exactly Stephen, and the most galling thing of all is that our PM elect likes to refer to this as "business experience" (and yes Neven, I am a private business owner). The hotchpotch nature of the government that has just been stitched together for purely populist reasons hardly augurs well for the decisive leadership that is now so urgently needed.

Neven911 I could care less

Neven911

I could care less about which position or function Mr Key had in his previous life. Money and money dealing is not the point.

I was trying to highlight the culture of the particular organisation he was immersed in and apparently happy to be so, up until his retirement. .

Stephen I've always subscribed to

Stephen

I've always subscribed to the philosophy that the reason that the Irish called their pound the "punt" was because it rhymed with banker (old pre euro joke). Another one I believe is what Bob Jones said "People aren't rich because they are not prepared to do what is required to become rich", The point being that to whether you spend your life sucking up in the public service or back-stabbing in a corporation to achieve what you want these are all perfectly acceptable behaviors in our society, in fact we celebrate it, Everyone things Bill Gates is the epitome, I personally think anyone who is paid the obscene amounts of money (200 million to Hank Paulson by GS for example) has so lost their grip on reality that to describe them as part of society is a stretch, they must be in order to justify this to themselves, barely human.

Neven

Perhaps there are some tings

Perhaps there are some tings even the Govt cannot fix. I look at the G20 summit and it always surprises me that so many in the Media look at it as the solution to all our problems. The Govt's of the day couldn't even decide to drive on the same side of the road. Nothing much has changed self interest both at a local and national and international levels will always wreck chances of some new deal. Bretton woods was signed at a time of US dominance and a Communist enemy that had at is core a desire to defeat the west. Now we no longer have the dominance financially of the US or a clear cut enemy seeking world dominance and the chance of changing the status quo without the existence of major breakdown looks bleak. I dont believe the threat of major disruption in itself will be enough to get Global agreement.
As to the New National Govt coalition, its an interesting mix and time will tell. It looks very centralist as you would expect from someone with keys background and wealth. In reality the choices they have to make will be severely limited by both the poor decisions of the Labour administration and the major disruptions on world markets.
We have come a long way from the Old National party and I think now its Labours turn to change. Change is always inevitable the problem today is we have a lot of people very comfortable with the Govt support they receive, changing that is going to be a major challenge, falling taxes and poor trade imbalances may force key to be less popular than he would like to be. The choices are, do we drift on as long as we can until change is forced on us by the IMF or by collapsing currency and financial stress a evolutionary type response, or grab the bull by the horns and force change along with the pain it brings for a brighter future. Id prefer the later solution Im expecting the former.

Interesting to read John Key

Interesting to read John Key barb attacks .How many of them would give most of thier earnings to charity,also how many will put their hand up for parliament.Last but not least how would the pundits run NZ? ps NZ NEEDS JK HE DOSNT NEED NZ.

jill wellington I totally agree.

jill wellington

I totally agree.

I think Bernard would do well to leave politics out of the discussion.

But if the obvious bias continues , which by the way is the editor's privilege, a dissenting view has to be expected.

Leaving politics out of economics

Leaving politics out of economics is like leaving sex out of reproduction. It's fun, messy, and embarassing - but it is what drives the whole process.

What we need to leave out are the stupid comments. Of course John Key can't be judged soley on his career at Merrill Lynch. And of course Helen Clarke has a "real job" as a member of parliment. Just because politics is something about which reasonable people can disagree, it doesn't mean that anything goes. Comment about politics, just as about economics needs to be well informed and well thought out.

This crisis is way beyond

This crisis is way beyond political considerations.

Having said that I think John Key's experience will help in handling what is coming down the pipes.

And strange as it may sound, i believe that ACT and the Maori party will provide good balancing support.

But we need to focus on the continued breakdown of financial systems and their impacts into the real economy. Yesterday's British Chamber of Commerce 1/4 report was very negative for the UK.

The consumer is well and truly buried under an avalanche of debt and with the P45 in the post the news isn't going to get much better.

I'm with neil c... stiched

I'm with neil c... stiched up like a patchwork quilt to the extreme. I note Bernard labelled it a National-ACT- Maori Party government, when in fact it's a National-ACT-Maori Party-United Future government. 6 Ministers outside Cabinet (Hide's got two ministerial portfolios) and 8 associate ministerial portfolios also shared between these five individuals outside Cabinet.

More cumbersome would be hard to get. Inclusive gone mad. Dunne's Families Commission sticks around, the F&S Act will be reviewed, a whole new ministerial portfolio got created for Hide (Tariana's already wary on that one) ... Key was on Breakfast defending the fact that his 28 ministries is "only as big" as Labour's.

And did I hear that Paula Bennett is the new Minister for Social Welfare? Given this financial environment? I'd have thought at least a modicum of experience would have been required. Makes me suspect that this is the expenditure area which Hide has his eyes set on in that Regulatory Review portfolio and so Key gave him an inexperienced Minister to work with.

Perhap JK is going to

Perhap JK is going to have the last laugh? Rodney and Paula probably have not had the time to watch the world economic and financial news in detail . It is likely they will be heading NZ's only growth Industry as the economy crumbles (it will go against Rodney's principles). Tania and Peter will be close at hand elbowing for handouts for the sector of the population who will be hit hardest. The public will be pushing and shoving and jostling in the increasingly long queues. Perhaps Japan's hastily errected handout apparatus might be worth looking at. ( Raf did you notice my posts regarding what I now can only suspect is being set up as a contingency plan in Japan?) .

Mike said "Leaving politics out

Mike said

"Leaving politics out of economics is like leaving sex out of reproduction"

I accept at the provincial level what you say is well possiible.

I disagree in the national/international sovereign funding arenas.

All the clumsy ill thought out financial rescue actions to date are predicated on those instituted by a Labour government in Australia. They in turn look to the United States to ask how high to jump when asked to do so.

Hardly partisan politics. More to do with ingrained US Treasury ideology.

It would help if all

It would help if all the money going towards Treaty claims was directed into schools and hospitals etc instead of into the pockets of a few elite Maori. None of the Treaty money benefits mainstream Maori. Perhaps National could do a deal with Maori to settle all the claims provided the money is redirected to essential services, after all Maori is a big user of these services.

Raf Actually I think politicians

Raf

Actually I think politicians should have a max term, ie 21 years in parliament, so they don't become institutionalized, My comment re HC was a little flippant but it doesn't surprise me the HC and MC have little experience outside the public service

Neven

valentina Please explain?

valentina

Please explain?

Interesting article in last Fridays

Interesting article in last Fridays NBR written by Michael Bassett.Its a story of self serving ideology on a grand scale .If John Key cant beat that we are in for a worse disaster,that will affect generations to come.The outgoing regime has left us an unforgivable legacy,which should be clearly apparent to all unbiased political observers.

Hey down under instead of

Hey down under instead of squabbling politics look up at the Northern Hemisphere as your guide. Nissan (JPs 3rd largest vehicle manufacturer) has just announced its second review of production since October 31st!!!!!!!!! domestic car production is to be cut by 72,000 units for the rest of the fiscal year(March 09) ... global production down by 200,000 units . Things are turning from bad to worse.......Yes.... the NZ Herald reported Japan was in recession but the outlook is getting worse by the week or is it day ... Perhaps all is well down under????

Have you read this tonz?

Have you read this tonz?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5R9G.OGm4MU&refer=home

i wonder if new zealand is able to stomach some of the lifestyle changes that are necessary to fix our trade deficit?

According to stats.co.nz, The trade balance was a deficit of $1,183 million, the largest monthly deficit since November 2005.

"And of course Helen Clarke

"And of course Helen Clarke has a "real job" as a member of parliment".

How many jobs in NZ do the workers vote on their own pay rise.
Also for all the fraud and police "reviews" - has a NZ politician ever been found guilty of anything or gone before an independent judge - you can just punch a workmate or not declare $100K ?
When was the last time Redundancies were handed out, or a performance review, or any sort of salary/job loss reduction during hard times due to lack of company income ?

Yes they do real work, but the job environment is not subject to real market forces, except for the brief voting period every 3 years.

NZ needs Rodney, as only he can be the opposite of Politically Correct - we need him to be blunt, honest and upsetting to some- not more of the same bland "lets make NZ great" sort of dribble you get from the Vampire Peter Dunn- yet no idea of how in detail.

Regardless of what Politicians we have in power, most families need to stop buying what we don't need with money we don't have- its that simple - how about increasing tax on cigarettes by %5 each week until they are priced out of the market- use the money for bikeways so people can save money and become more fit

Tonz Yes I have always

Tonz

Yes I have always marveled at how the Japanese in half a century with virtually no great natural resources have risen to be the world second largest economy. It does not surprise me that the financial and now industrial economies are so interlinked that the credit crisis has now become a global "developed" nation crisis, as the great industrial machines show they do not react well to rapid change.

But if in NZ we don't buy a lot of new cars who suffers?

Neven

Japan is stuffed like everyone

Japan is stuffed like everyone else. At some point yen will be repatriated to shore up the domestic situation.

It's time to stop worrying about "saving" the banks and other large corporates.

We have to start thinking ahead to what a leaner economy might look like. Less consumption and more human interaction.

Less work and more play.

Unfortunately the financial cancer will leave a destructive wake.

A huge amount of wealth is going to be destroyed.

In the long run we may be better off for it.

if they had the power

if they had the power to govern alone national could have improved the economy,hard to turn around when you are carrying all that dead weight.

HI ALAN At least we

HI ALAN At least we should be glad there is some weight to carry, rather than the has beens or never was parties that worked so hard for their own interests.The great thing for us all in the superb country of NZ for our well being, and for the nations future' BETTER LATE THAN NEVER'.

alan stewart Can I ask

alan stewart

Can I ask the obvious: What could the National party improve if they were not carrying all that dead weight? Other than re-arranging the fiscal deck chairs.

of course the minor party

of course the minor party leaders have just garnered themselves an extra 70 grand per year as ministers outside cabinet, plus perks. Key knows all about manipulating fear and greed.

digitally reborn I challenge you

digitally reborn

I challenge you to go through the shit that politicians get and then have your efforts ridiculed for an extra $70K, smallmindedness at its best

Neven

Most Kiwis do not make

Most Kiwis do not make 70K TOTAL let alone bonus... and thats a lot of hard workers like Police, Teachers, Nurses etc.

Rob You are in fact

Rob

You are in fact right but do they stand for parliament? There are also a lot of Kiwis who get paid a shit load more than $70K, or does anyone who get paid more than $70K get dismissed as a "Rich Prick", as I said small mindedness

Neven

This is a 70K PAY

This is a 70K PAY RISE- not too shabby. No doubt some politicians do work very hard. It is the same in almost any area of life. But so you should for 200 grand PLUS perks as a minister outside cabinet s. No wonder they were keen to do the deal. I hope the investment is worth it,