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Have your say: Are our public servants overpaid?
University of Waikato School of Management Economist John Gibson has published a study of public sector pay versus pay in the private sector and found public servants are on average paid 17-21% more than their counterparts in business.
The study used 2005 data and adjusted for various components including the level of stress, the amount of physical work and levels of educations. It therefore is an apples for apples comparison.
Gibson said the differential is likely to have widened since 2005 because of faster pay rises in the public sector.
"The findings should be a valid estimate of what a given worker would gain when moving from the private to the public sector and doing an otherwise similar job," Gibson said.
"Interestingly, because this study only compares like with like, it appears that higher pay levels in the public sector have little to do with needing to pay more to attract more skilled workers," he said.
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Are public servants more productive than their equivalents in the private sector and therefore justify the extra pay?
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Here is the full press release relating to the paper from Gibson.
With one eye on the upcoming election, public sector unions are pushing for big pay increases to lock in gains for their members before a possible change of government.
But public servants can hardly claim they're currently underpaid, according to research by a University of Waikato Management School economist.
The study, published in the New Zealand Journal of Employment Relations, shows that public sector employees already enjoy a substantial pay premium compared to workers in the private sector.
"The average pay differential between the public and private sector was between 17% and 21%," says Professor John Gibson. "The study was based on 2005 data, so given the faster rate of public sector pay rises recently, the premium is likely to be even higher now."
Prof Gibson's study compared workers in the public and private sectors using data from the New Zealand component of the International Social Survey Program Work Orientations Survey "“ data that's used for international labour market studies.
An important feature of the survey was that it also captured information on the characteristics of jobs, such as stress and whether hard physical work is involved, and the attitudes of workers to their jobs. No other New Zealand survey captures these details.
"The findings should be a valid estimate of what a given worker would gain when moving from the private to the public sector and doing an otherwise similar job," says Prof Gibson. "Interestingly, because this study only compares like with like, it appears that higher pay levels in the public sector have little to do with needing to pay more to attract more skilled workers."
Prof Gibson said he could find no justification for the premium in terms of job conditions in the public sector. "Some job factors - like stress - may be worse in the public sector, but others - like the work not being physically demanding and not being viewed by the worker as boring - are better than for private sector workers. In addition, public sector workers appear to benefit much more from a 'warm glow' belief that in their job they can help others and that their job is useful to society.
"In competitive labour markets people would be willing to work for less to feel so good about themselves and their jobs. So the fact that public sector workers actually get paid 20% more is evidence of how out of line wage setting has been in the public sector."
Overview of findings from "The Public Sector Pay Premium and Compensating Differentials in the New Zealand Labour Market":
Public sector workers are:
- More highly educated (1.3 years more on average)
- More likely to be female (70% vs 46%)
- More likely to reside in the Wellington region
- More likely to believe a job should be useful to society
- More likely to find their job interesting and useful to society
- Less likely to do hard physical work
- Less able to work independently
- More likely to find their job stressful
- More likely to find work interferes with family life
Premium for public sector work:
- Raw premium (based on pay alone): 11%
- Including age, education, gender, ethnicity, martial status, location: 13%
- Including job attributes: 21%
An important feature of the survey was that it also captured information on the characteristics of jobs, such as stress and whether hard physical work is involved, and the attitudes of workers to their jobs. No other New Zealand survey captures these details.
"In competitive labour markets people would be willing to work for less to feel so good about themselves and their jobs. So the fact that public sector workers actually get paid 20% more is evidence of how out of line wage setting has been in the public sector."
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As an aside, pay scales
As an aside, pay scales for middle and senior managers within several State entities are based on the number of employees they manage, therefore, the more people they employ, the better paid they are. They are not measured on productivity, efficiency or effectiveness of their department.
Therefore it is hardly surprising that the government sector is well paid and not particularly efficient. That's how the (flawed) model works. You should see the government generated crap that comes across my desk. They are experts at complicating the most simple task and creating a career of it. And gawd forbid ever making a decision without the security of a committee to cover their a*s.
Jeeesh, don't get me started. Outsource the lot of "˜em I say!!!
More likely that private sector
More likely that private sector workers are underpaid- is it 20 or 30% behind Australia now?
When is the private sector going to realise that the "skills shortage" is really a pay shortage, and if they want to compete in a global market for educated workers they need to have a similar level of pay. It's not like the cost of living here is cheap- housing is stratospheric!
Say what you like about the NZ public service but in my experience they are orders of magnitude more efficient than the British system that's for sure!
In a bit of reverse
In a bit of reverse "link whoring" over at lancewiggs.com Lance is arguing that we should pay public servants more not less.
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"Tony Says: August 7th, 2008
"Tony Says:
August 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
As an aside, pay scales for middle and senior managers within several State entities are based on the number of employees they manage, therefore, the more people they employ, the better paid they are. They are not measured on productivity, efficiency or effectiveness of their department.
Therefore it is hardly surprising that the government sector is well paid and not particularly efficient. That's how the (flawed) model works."
I agree, Add to ..
"More likely to find their job stressful " Which is a general sign of the Peter Principal
"Less able to work independently" Basically pen pushers and desk jockeys
Try working with Management in Dept Education or DoC...So many times, if they 1/2 a brain the would die of confusion
Which brings us to
"More highly educated (1.3 years more on average) " Education doesnt mean common sense or have anything to do with productivity...just means gets paid more because meets higher criteria
I think the public service
I think the public service is over-paid and over-resourced. I'm glad to not be alone on my opinion, and it's nice to see some work done on the topic.
I wrote a lot more, but decided it was too long for this space, so I moved it to my blog.
Gee Mike you really know
Gee Mike you really know how to frustrate a cyber gypsy. The link to you blog is ....?
Of course they overpaid. They
Of course they overpaid. They have their hand on the light switch !
I'm sure if we asked individuals to set how they would run SPARC in less than 2 pages and the salary they would require we could find many competent individuals to give away tens of millions of dollars for less than $ 340,000 pa
Markets do work - even for CEO's !
uk_kiwi's got it right -
uk_kiwi's got it right - the private sector here simply hasn't moved along with the rest of the world - so the additional comparison needs to be one of private sector NZ pay scales with overseas counterparts. Then we could make an informed opinion.
Another catch twenty-two. How can
Another catch twenty-two. How can the private sector in NZ increase wages when profit is being eroded by costs? As the public sector does not have to worry about being profitable (let alone being efficient, prudent or useful) I think any comparison between the two sectors is highly inappropriate when it comes to wages. There is no simple way out of this mess other than through a bit of pain in the public service. Obviously there are too many, producing nothing of benefit and being paid too much.
My only experience of the
My only experience of the public sector is via the building industry where you cant do squat officially without some official saying how it has to be done but whos same officials sanction silly building practices that go against the old way of doing things. Unless they can look it up in a manual you cant do it. So unless you want to pay an engineer you end up doing it their way.
I know this cuts both ways with dodgy builders creating mayhem but even so instead of building i am thinking about it!
And those other officials at the RBNZ help to create the mess by removing the normal market checks from housing 'that if its crap you cant generally sell it'. Instead it will rise in price so who cares.
Something is wrong.
Cheap credit, so my house rises in value so i dont need to work and little production from me anyway:-( I thought i was smart but it seems everybody in the world has been doing it!
I wonder how many on this board actually produce anything at all?
oh then there was the
oh then there was the NZ tax people who made my life so miserable i decided not earning money was a way to be happy:-)
Looking at how the country
Looking at how the country is run - obviously
Sorry sharon v, the blog
Sorry sharon v, the blog entry is at http://www.mikedilger.com/drupal/node/231
The spam filter was messing with me last time so I took out the url.
I have just done a short bit of research on this. The IRD funded work in 2000, and work by the New Zealand Business Roundtable.
The optimal effective tax rate for maximizing GDP growth in New Zealand, based on more than a half century of data, iis 18-20% [1], or less (less has not been tried). Clearly too little, and there won't be enough of the needed effective infrastructure. This data comes from research funded by the IRD, so it's not some policy-wonk BS, but good economic research.
The current effective tax burden (2007 data) has been variously calculated at 39% [2], 40.7% [3], and 43.3% [3].
Clearly, government has moved more towards maximizing government revenue (squeese as much blood as you can without killing the varmit) and providing egalitarian desires (move funds from productive elements towards unproductive ones), rather than maximizing the overall welfare of the citizenry (reflected through GDP). As NZ GDP growth has fallen behind the OECD, it is imperative that we begin the difficult task of downsizing government expenditure.
[1] Gerald W. Scully and Patrick J Caragata, "Taxation and the Limits of
Government", Springer, research funded by the IRD.
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day
[3] Roger Kerr, 2007, New Zealand Business Roundtable,
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0704/S00414.htm