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90 seconds at 9 am with BNZ: Key opens debate on foreign ownership of land; NZ's not so Super Fund?; BP's monster loss

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Bernard Hickey details the key news overnight in 90 seconds at 9 am in association with BNZ, including news Prime Minister John Key has announced the inclusion of foreign land ownership in a review of Overseas Investment Office rules.

This opens up a debate that has been dormant and responds to some concerns about an impending rush of Chinese money into land.

Key said he was worried about New Zealanders becoming tenants in their own land, the DomPost reported.

"The concern, I guess, is that there is so much wealth out there that they could literally buy New Zealand's productive base. It's not impossible. That's the question – what do we want to be? Do we want to be tenants in our own country or do we want to own our own destiny?"  

Your view? Are we being consistent blocking foreign ownership of land but saying ownership of companies is ok? Do we buy back land already in foreign ownership?

Meanwhile, the New Zealand Superannuation Fund released its results for the just completed financial year to June 30, including a 15.45% return for the year.

But the Super fund has returned just 5.5% per year after fees in the 7 years since its creation, below the 8% returns it is aiming for. It is aiming for 200 basis points above the risk free return rate of 6%, which is deemed to be the same as government bills.

As we enter an age of low inflation and low investment returns, along with heavy New Zealand government debt issuance, would New Zealand be better off using the Super Fund's money to repay debt or not issue new debt.

Your view? Retirement Policy and Research co-director Michael Littlewood has called for the fund to be dismantled, BusinessDay reported.

Meanwhile, BP posted a US$17 billion quarterly loss overnight, the largest loss in UK corporate history. This followed plans to put aside US$32 billion to clean up its Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

The Dow was flat, despite news of another fall in US consumer confidence as the world's largest economy struggles to get going again.

The New Zealand dollar was basically flat from yesterday at 73.2 USc.

We welcome your help to improve our coverage of this issue. Any examples or experiences to relate? Any links to other news, data or research to shed more light on this? Any insight or views on what might happen next or what should happen next? Any errors to correct?

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I think that NZ should use

I think that NZ should use exactly the same rules as what Aussi does regarding land ownership, immigration etc....NZ is way behind in so many ways.

Ok John Key let me see if I

Ok John Key let me see if I have got this correct 

Its ok for cheap chinese labour to work in factories in call centres and on farms in N.Z.competing with Kiwi labour and forcing wages down but cheap chinese capital forcing kiwi business men and farmers out of the market is bad.

Why don't these business men and farmers go to Oz to make a living like most of the kiwi workers that there imported imigrant Asian labour replaced  and drove oversea,s

p.s. John when the free trade deals were signed with China was this not pointed out to your business friends or were you really looking to keep your international finance and banking chums happy

Its ok for cheap chinese

Its ok for cheap chinese labour to work in factories in call centres and on farms in N.Z.competing with Kiwi labour and forcing wages down but cheap chinese capital forcing kiwi business men and farmers out of the market is bad.

ShonKey DonKey's business mates (including farmers) just love cheap foreign labour, especially when it's forcing wages down, but those same business mates do not like competition one little bit.

So bring in the dirt cheap foreign labour ShonKey DonKey, but lock out the competitive rich foreign business types at all costs.

And those rules are?

And those rules are?

Foriegn land ownership should

Foriegn land ownership should be strictly limited  ditto company ownership...all that happens is the profit is sucked out of NZ

More immigration concerns ,

More immigration concerns , as 'expressions of interest" for skilled/business migrants drop to lows.The very migrants that New Zealand requires are no longer applying let alone arriving.

Not this skills shortage

Not this skills shortage nonsense again.

From what I read there's enough brilliant scientists and engineers driving taxis and delivering pizzas around Auckland to build our own version of the Haldron Collider!

Yes, because "brilliant

Yes, because "brilliant scientists and engineers" who drive taxis are precisely the kind of people NZ needs to run it's un-funded (and therefore almost non-existent) science projects.

There's a reason those people are driving cabs and delivering pizzas, instead of being employed as scientists, and it's not because they are being treated unfairly, no matter how much they may whine to the contrary.

Not nonsense ,fact.Secondly

Not nonsense ,fact.Secondly migration has already turned negative,maybe the only kiwi remaining will have the name 'Dave.'

Settle Semper, I was trying

Settle Semper, I was trying to make a point.

This is a pay shortage being presented by business as a skills shortage.

We have good skilled Kiwis scattered far and wide and living overseas for the lack of good paying jobs at home. Meanwhile, at the behest of the business lobby (who've done jack s@#t to  up-skill their existing crew) we fill the country up with second rate immigrants that are so friggin useless they end up taking basic jobs off low skilled NZers.

Is that a brilliant plan or what?

Very good point KD, isnt it

Very good point KD, isnt it something like a million Kiwis live overseas?

 

From my recollection -

From my recollection - according to a plaque in Melbourne, 380,000 kiwis live in Australia.

Ask any mid-range migrant how

Ask any mid-range migrant how much it has cost for them to move here, combine that with NZ's low real income levels, collapsed property prices in many parts of NZ's target migrant markets, and the reason for the decline in applications is obvious.

How about we educate the people we already have here? Simplistic answer with many layers of policy ramifications I know, but to get a productive economy people need to work so they can spend. And they cannot work without skill sets, gained by education in some form or another. Let's make the courses needed to fill those gaps, now and projected, bonded: pay the tuition now and after you've worked in this country for 10 years, you get your money back. Even the unpopular courses would be full by lunchtime.

"Simplistic answer with many

"Simplistic answer with many layers of policy ramifications I know..."

The rest of your post is excellent IMHO, but I disagree with the above qualifier. There is NO reason whatsoever why we can't devote more resources to educating Kiwis.

I am turning in my grave The

I am turning in my grave

The foreign land ownership ( The silent war ) needs to be stopped over night, enougth talk just do it.

John Keys a nice guy but really needs to show some true leadership. That goes for the other Parties as well

Whats happining is so disrespectfull to all the great New Zealanders that have fought for this country and others over many generations.

It makes me sick when these politians go to a War Service

 

 

 

 

 

The people could always 'rise

The people could always 'rise up' and take back the farms like what happened in Zimbabwe.  All is not lost Mr Churchill.

Now you're talking Josh,

Now you're talking Josh, brilliant plan.

We sell the Chinese all the farms, mines, buildings, oil wells the lot.  

Then just claim it all back and boot the buggers out, what could they do, we've got our airforce and navy and er ...., um.......

Maybe this plan needs a bit of fine tuning Josh

... i think we should let US

... i think we should let US warships into our ports first!

"John Keys a nice guy but

"John Keys a nice guy but really needs to show some true leadership."

Really? What makes you say that? Oh, I see: you're a dyed-in-the-wool National Party fanboy who cannot bring himself to criticise his wee idols, even when they are behaving in ways in which you don't approve.

I'll send John Key his CAFCA

I'll send John Key his CAFCA membership form  today....

What do I care if the person

What do I care if the person who owns all the houses is Chinese or Olly Newland?

Does it make any difference if the people that own all the companies on the NZX are NZ boomers who partook in the great fireslae of the 1980- 1990s or Chinese?

What do I care if the guy who owns the farms inherited it from his dad or is Chinese? WIll my cheese get any cheaper?

Will one have NZ interests ahead of the other? Unlikely I would suggest. I would suggest that all parties will in fact be looking after number 1.

There's a big difference.

There's a big difference. It's better that we get fleeced by fellow kiwis than by foreigners. At least the money doesn't get transfered away.  It feels better that a fellow kiwi rather than a foreigner is living in luxury at my expense.

So who do you think will end

So who do you think will end up working on those Chinese owned farms 10 years from now, spending locally keeping small towns and rural schools alive, not Nzers!! You dont care much do you, very sad. Despite what lefty Journos spout at every chance the large majority of Farmers care very much about the health and wellbeing of the environment and its future.Been to China lately? So why would they view our environment any differently?

 "Key said he was worried

 "Key said he was worried about New Zealanders becoming tenants in their own land"...bullshit John...they already are either tenants or serfs to the thieving banks.

Key is worried about the

Key is worried about the resurgence of Winston Peters - a Stuff poll at the moment has 17.6% of respondents saying they would vote for a Peters/Laws combination and NZ First are 4.5% in the latest Morgan poll. Hone also seems worried that Winston might gatecrash the cozy Maori Party relationship with Nation and he is also making noises about foreign ownership.

Peters will be running his campaign with the focus on foreign ownership- he gave a very good speech a few days ago on selling our birthright. Interesting election ahead!

I'm no fan of Winnie but the

I'm no fan of Winnie but the man is definitely some kind of political Rasputin.

Too late mate...here's a list

Too late mate...here's a list of the skills shortage in Perth... bricklaying, carpentry, ceramic tiling, electrical, general building, joinery, landscaping and plumbing.....wave goodbye as the fly....No one left for Winnie to woo.

Why oh why did I leave out

Why oh why did I leave out the why!

"No one left for Winnie to

"No one left for Winnie to woo."

You're kidding, right?

Winnie woos the elderly, and there are more of them than ever.

Now you're getting warm anon,

Now you're getting warm anon, those farms go to the Chinese and it's worth 10%+ of the vote to Winston. Not going to happen.

Get real JK, NZ became a

Get real JK, NZ became a nation of effective tenants years ago. The supermarkets, banks, retail....it's all owned by Oz. Now the chinese want their own food factory, so what? NZ has always been for sale to the highest bidder, just look at asian immigration over the last decade. I know good old kiwi pride will take a hit when the farms go, but it will happen sooner or later. Step aside Crafar, the Hongs have come to town.  

NZ is a sideshow and always

NZ is a sideshow and always will be.

Every nation learns the folly of becoming dependent upon external sources of supply.

It's one thing to have overseas assets, but they must be disposable.

Self-reliance and independence is the key to strength.

Yes, every Empire has learned

Yes, every Empire has learned that the hard way.

The supermarkets, banks,

The supermarkets, banks, retail....it's all owned by Oz.

You're just pulling our legs. That can't be true. There's no way the government would allow that to happen.

  What a defeatist attitude,

 

What a defeatist attitude, it won't happen if Kiwis make their opinions known loud and clear, this is after all a democracy, apparently.

 It's almost like these guys want to lose the next election, they are opening the door up nice and wide for Peters.

Peters will never win an

Peters will never win an election, but he could cost National the election.

Exactly, and the result will

Exactly, and the result will most likely be the end of National, perhaps for another 9 years.

What a stupid way to go it would be.
 

Its madness to sell our land

Its madness to sell our land to foreigners however its hypocritical of me to say that seeing as my ancestors came from Europe 150 years ago colonised this country and bought land from the Maori in exchange for blankets and buttons.

Here we are in 2010 selling land to foreigners so we can buy new cars and flat sceen TVs.

Winston drove through

Winston drove through W(h)anganui  the other day and a reporter saw him, now he and Laws are forming a political party.

Get a life you dickhead journos,  start reporting about babies getting bashed instead humdrum crap!

Heard a novel approach today

Heard a novel approach today ,where John Key gets foreigners to buy up NZ large and then gets his coalition partners in the Maori Party to insist on a Tof W claim and confiscate the lot back .

 Bernard, it' s been almost

 Bernard, it' s been almost 24 hrs without any new property related topic.  I mean, you are not down with a flu or something...?

A website dedicated to

A website dedicated to talking down property. Quite pathetic really.

And idiots such as yourself

And idiots such as yourself need to learn that you cannot talk down property.

Prices are falling because the property market is rebalancing itself after becoming severely unbalanced recently.

It's rather like you, actually..

No shit you cant talk down

No shit you cant talk down property, which is why this website is so pathetic. You should give it up, property prices will never go down to a level anywhere near where you think they should be. You will be renting for the rest of your life. You are a born loser, it is so obvious. 

Your desperate panic amuses

Your desperate panic amuses us.

Property is already heading down to the level where we believe it should be.

We are not talking it down, because even if we could we know it isn't necessary.

Likewise, you cannot talk it back up to where it was, in the days when banks were handing out "free" mortgages.

The Ponzi scheme is over.

There's never been a truer

There's never been a truer word spoken around these here parts! Kudos.

  If they don't do something

 

If they don't do something then old Winny Peters will back in for sure.

Because Kiwis aren't going to let this happen, and rightly so.

Peters definiteley won't team up with National, and these guys will be gone, Key seems much quicker than English to realise this.

Most people throughout history that have sold their land have ended up much poorer for it further down the track.

Winston Peters and his circus

Winston Peters and his circus may become the only viable alternative to the National Party, and if they don't see that and continue to behave the way they have been lately, then Peters may once again prove to be the deciding factor in an election.

Just to rub salt in the

Just to rub salt in the wounds -

The super fund should have invested in houses shouldn't they?

Provided they sold in 2007/2008 they would have done better it seems.

Lots of houses or just one

Lots of houses or just one really huge place?

Imagine them suddenly dumping a great load of property on the market in 2007...and the REINZ and PIs think things are bad now!

LOL!

Had the Government built

Had the Government built state housing (with the Cullen Fund) that might have been a good idea for the long term benefit of NZ.

It would have cost relatively little as they'd build in bulk and the land would be 'free'.

That would also bring down the cost of housing in NZ are they'd be more on offer and fair rents would be on offer, not based on 'how much can I squeeze out of this person'.

Just a thought.

And a fine

And a fine one.

Unfortunately MPs and other political lackies were getting very rich from property development/investment/speculation (how many houses does Helen Clark own again?), so there was absolutely no incentive for them to do the right thing.

Helen owns more than she

Helen owns more than she needs!!!OH what right wing capitalist behaviour.Shame on the Labour Party. I hope none own shares.

Now hold on there

Now hold on there cowboy.

You can't go 'round criticising greedy BBer PIs for owning more than their fair share of properties but then cry foul if anyone criticises HC - an archetypal BBer if ever there was one - for owning 14 houses.

Criticise with consistency or not at all.

To do otherwise is hypocrisy.

OK I criticize all of them.

OK I criticize all of them. Now how do I not pay for the BBrs retirement plans----us!! will pay thats there plan. Then WE will pay for our own!!

I have good internet at

I have good internet at last.Found this,one of the comments on an AEP article.

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Ambrose, you are right to identify the continuation of economic deterioration but you are confusing deflation with depression. Deflation is not itself a problem, depression is, and that is what Western government and central banks have inflicted on the world.

Without continuous expansion of fiat currency, deflation would be the norm in a healthy economy. The reason is simply that industry without government intervention makes continuous gains in productivity and that leads to continuous widespread price reduction. That is deflation.

We have had government, central banks, and even yourself Ambrose, telling us this would be a calamity because everyone would then stop buying. That of course is nonsense.

Look at the whole computer and electronic industry. For decades, everyone has known that the price of a computer or a TV or any number of other electronic goods would be less in a few months than the current price. Did that stop demand? Of course not, we have bought enormous volumes.

Does anyone imagine that if the price of food was falling regularly people would stop eating, or if the price of fuel and cars were falling progressively we would stop buying cars and driving?

Certainly deflation rather than inflation would produce some differences in behavior within economies, in particular a concentration on production, and especially efficient production, rather than speculation. How terrible would that be?

The reason we have long become used to inflation rather than deflation is that inflation is endemic because of currency printing by central banks. Every note or coin of fiat currency produced by a central bank is a tax, of equivalent amount, on the rest of the community, imposed by devaluing all existing currency proportionately, ie inflation.

That is the reason central banks almost always report annual profits. They have a license to steal and declare it as legitimate income. They are deathly afraid of deflation since there would be absolutely no basis for printing more currency and they would go broke. Oh shame! That would be terrible.

Central banks typically pass their surplus profits to national governments, so the latter also have a vested interest in inflation.

This process of continuous creeping taxation, together with more overt taxation, irreversible growth in government regulation and the encouragement of speculation by everyone induced by government sponsored inflation, has destroyed most of the real productive capacity in western nations and made mendicants of a huge proportion of the population.

That is the cause of the depression we are now suffering. The figures you quote are indications of depression not of deflation.

And yes, during depression there can be deflation because demand drops below production, just as there can also be inflation as production drops below demand.

Pushing out more fiat currency to allegedly counteract "deflation" will not restore productive capacity to the economy. In fact, since it is a further huge tax on those holding currency now or in the future, it deters investment and growth. It guarantees continuation of a depression.

The world is in the early years of a depression manufactured in Washington, New York, London, Paris, Bonn, etc.

 

Thanks for posting that

Thanks for posting that Andrew, good find and very well articulated.  Seems to me that slowly more people around the globe are 'getting it'. Thanks to the Internet the game is being slowly exposed.

Wow, very very well said. 

Wow, very very well said.  Sums up my thoughts perfectly.

I love it that the gold bugs

I love it that the gold bugs don't think we should ban gold mining as it devalues the currency...

Exactly, in fact if the

Exactly, in fact if the currency is gold backed I don't think a Government has any choice but to ban private holding of gold.  Presumably this was the reason why private holding of gold was banned in the US but I haven't seen any explanation.

"It's a mistake to think that

"It's a mistake to think that poor people get the benefit from the welfare system. It's a total fraud. Most welfare go to the rich of this country: the military-industrial complex, the bankers, the foreign dictators, it's totally out of control." Ron Paul  - (1935-) American physician, US Congressman