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Thursday's Top 10 at 10 with NZ Mint: 'Grumpy Baby boomerangers'; The problem with Greece; The Compulsion debate; 'Buy Farmland' says Big Short guru; Dilbert

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Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 to 5 pm, brought to you in association with New Zealand Mint for your reading pleasure.

I welcome your additions and comments below, or please send suggestions for Friday's Top 10 at 10 via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz. Remember that registered commenters can more easily include links out in their comments. Use the box in the right hand column to register. We're turning off unregistered comments from this Sunday September 12.

I'll pop any surplus suggestions I get into the comment stream under the Top 10.

1. The dubious benefits of compulsion - Brian Fallow has a nice piece at NZHerald on Treasury's preamble for the Savings Working Group and the big debate about making KiwiSaver compulsory.

There's three main objections to compulsion. Firstly, it makes fund managers and investment bankers rich without necessarily improving investment returns, particularly when the government may have to give some form of gurantee anyway because of the compulsion.

Secondly, it may be less effective than simply increasing government saving. Thirdly, it may simply trigger increased debt in other areas, meaning national saving is not increased.

New Zealand's level of international indebtedness puts the country in the same league as the "Pigs" (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain).

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"Evidence suggests compulsory schemes generally increase household saving, but not by the full amount of compulsory contributions. Households typically respond by reducing other forms of saving to some extent," it says. It is not sure how much existing KiwiSaver subsidies, which cost about $1 billion a year, contribute to national saving.

The international evidence tends to suggest such subsidies have a significant effect on how people save, it says, but only a modest effect on how much they save.

While compulsory superannuation could be positive for capital markets, it could mean pressure for the Government to provide some form of guarantee. While many countries, including Australia, have compulsory savings schemes and a means-tested "safety net" pension funded by the state, New Zealand would be unique if it were to introduce compulsory saving atop a state scheme as (nearly) universal and relatively generous as New Zealand Superannuation.  

2. 'Grumpy Baby boomerangers' - Ian Cowie at The Telegraph reports on demographic and financial trends in Britain that threaten to create some tension between the debt-ridden and jobless young and their cashed-up property owning baby boomer parents. He looks at the notion that many youngsters can't afford to leave home and are sat steaming and resentful in their bedrooms.

A small number are even hoping their parents kark it and pass on the dosh...sheesh. HT Berend via twitter.

The growing financial plight of younger adults is building tensions between the generations that may create some ugly scenes in homes across the country in years ahead. Santander – the Spanish bank that bought Abbey, Alliance & Leicester among others – surveyed 2,000 people to come to the conclusion that student debt and shortage of jobs for young people has created a generation of what it calls “baby boomerangers”.

These are adult children aged over 18 unable to leave their parents’ home who seem to be slouching on sofas across the land, resenting Mum and Dad’s good fortune. More than four in 10 of the families affected see no hope of these young adults flapping their wings and finding a home of their own any time in the foreseeable future.

Reza Atta-Zadeh, a director of Santander, says: “The term ‘flying the nest’ could soon be made redundant as the credit crunch and rising cost of living is altering the structure of Britain’s families.”  

The most disturbing research published today, suggests that one in five young adults admits to “looking forward” to a receiving an inheritance. More than one in 10 said they were relying on these future inheritances to pay off debts or provide a deposit on their first home. A ghoulish 3 per cent of the 1,300 people questioned by the website MyVoucherCodes said they would rather have the money than keep their parents alive.

3. Watch out for intervention - Nervousness in global financial markets is growing and talk is growing that central banks, possibly in Japan and Switzerland, may intervene this week to try to force their currencies down, FTAlphaville's Gwen Robinson reports.

The yen resumed its climb, advancing on Wednesday to a fresh 15-year high against the dollar of Y83.32. Meanwhile, the Swiss franc hit a record of 1.2795 against the euro – and approaching parity with the dollar for the first time in nine months – amid fresh concerns about the health of European banks.

4. The Tweed is back - The infamous David Tweed is back with his big play on investor stupidity, the Sydney Morning Herald reports.

NOTORIOUS share trader David Tweed has launched legal action against Wesfarmers to pry open the conglomerate's register. Mr Tweed, who is famous for offering to buy shares for a fraction of their actual value, is believed to be back in Australia mounting one last effort to scoop up cheap shares before changes to the law kill his business.

Legislation that would allow companies to refuse raiders such as Mr Tweed access to their share registers was introduced into Federal Parliament earlier this year but did not pass before the election was called. It may be another six months before the legislation passes both houses of Parliament. On Tuesday, through his company Direct Share Purchasing Corporation, Mr Tweed filed a Federal Court application to force Wesfarmers to open up its register.  

5. Michael Lewis visits Greece - Michael Lewis, the maestro author behind The Big Short, has written in Vanity Fair about the problems in Greece.

It is full of juicy detail and colour, including that the average railway worker in Greece earns the equivalent of NZ$115,000 a year. It paints a picture of a country that is deeply, structurally and endemically corrupt. The core of the corruption is tax evasion, which has eaten away at the soul of the place and people. This is a must read for anyone wondering why no one trusts the Greeks.

This issue of tax evasion is one of the reasons I think there is so much anger towards rental property investors in this country. Many rental investors, particuarly those who got in at the end, essentially did it to evade tax. It is among the most anti-social things to do. People understand where that sort of moral cancer leads. To Greece.  HT Dimpost.

Beyond a $1.2 trillion debt (roughly a quarter-million dollars for each working adult), there is a more frightening deficit. After systematically looting their own treasury, in a breathtaking binge of tax evasion, bribery, and creative accounting spurred on by Goldman Sachs, Greeks are sure of one thing: they can’t trust their fellow Greeks.

The average government job pays almost three times the average private-sector job. The national railroad has annual revenues of 100 million euros against an annual wage bill of 400 million, plus 300 million euros in other expenses. The average state railroad employee earns 65,000 euros a year. The easiest way to cheat on one’s taxes was to insist on being paid in cash, and fail to provide a receipt for services. The easiest way to launder cash was to buy real estate.

6. 'Buy farmland'  - Michael Burry, the one-eyed doctor with Aspergers made famous in Michael Lewis' The Big Short as the hedge fund manager who predicted the sub-prime crisis, is now recommending farmland, gold and small technology companies, Bloomberg reports.

Here's the video of his interview with Bloomberg. HT Gertraud.

“I believe that agriculture land -- productive agricultural land with water on site -- will be very valuable in the future,” Burry, 39, said in a Bloomberg Television interview scheduled for broadcast this morning in New York. “I’ve put a good amount of money into that.”Gold is also a favored investment as central banks issue debt and devalue their currencies, he said.

Governments haven’t adequately addressed the causes of the financial crisis and may be sowing the seeds for future problems by borrowing, he said. In the U.S., lawmakers showed they didn’t understand how to prevent another crisis when they gave the Federal Reserve and Chairman Ben S. Bernanke additional authority, he said.

7. She's still ruthless - Ruth Richardson has popped up on CNBC to say that Britain is bankrupt and the bailouts aren't working.  HT Kokila via email.

"The British government is bankrupt. I ask, where's the capital going to come from? All the Western economy governments are in a bankrupt state," she said.

Richardson dismissed the view that cutting government spending will hit growth. "I don't think this is just a cyclical problem, this is a structural problem and you don't fix it by throwing more money at it," she said. "The government doesn't need to spend at the level it does, it needs to look at the quality of that spending."  

8. More capital and less lending - The Basel III global banking rule-making process is worth watching because it has the potential to throw a cooling blanket over the entire sector, forcing the banks to raise more capital, charge higher interest rates and reduce their lending. Bloomberg reports the Basel III committee is close to a compromise deal.

Global regulators reached a compromise on capital ratios for banks that will introduce higher capital requirements over a five- to 10-year period starting in 2013, a German central bank official said. Policy makers are seeking to raise the quality and quantity of reserves held by banks to avoid another financial crisis.

Germany has been the lone holdout in the talks since July, concerned that its banks wouldn’t be able to bear the burden of tougher capital requirements.

Banks have attacked the rules, saying they will hurt economic growth as lending is curtailed. Paul Donovan, deputy head of global economics at UBS AG, said at a conference in Moscow today that the new rules were “disastrous.” Germany’s savings banks may have to cut lending by a triple-digit billion-euro amount, said Heinrich Haasis, president of a group representing such lenders. UniCredit SpA Chief Executive Officer Alessandro Profumo said increased regulation will hurt profitability.  

9. Tensions rising - Trade tensions between America and China are set to rise again as China is about to report a US$20 billion trade surplus for August, Bloomberg reported.

The U.S. House Ways and Means Committee will discuss next week China’s currency policy after Premier Wen Jiabao’s government limited the yuan’s gain to less than 1 percent versus the dollar since a June pledge for greater flexibility. With November elections looming, legislators may push a bill letting companies seek tariffs for compensation for an undervalued yuan.

“Trade tensions may intensify, especially as the U.S. faces a slowing recovery, a high jobless rate and mid-term elections,” said Sun Chi, a Hong Kong-based economist at Nomura Holdings Inc. who previously worked for the U.S. Treasury in Beijing.

10. Totally irrelevant video - An Amazing Race competitor has an unfortunate encounter with a watermelon. Humorous in a slapsticky way. Very slappy. And sticky.

11. Totally relevant video - A UK MEP slams Europe. Sort of fun in a parliamentary car crash sort of way.

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Many Are Still

Many Are Still Underestimating the Damage That Can Be Done By Ireland’s Bank Troubles HT Gertraud

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/many-are-still-underestimating-damage-c...
cheers
Bernard

 Yeegads I have just come up

 Yeegads I have just come up with a munny spinner for lawyers...if the divorce circus is a cashcow when the adults get caught!...why can't the  “baby boomerangers” go after the munny as well. They could spin off a whole new chapter in English Law. Offspring spring parents in court.     Hahaha   oh dear me what a laugh. Rumpole of the Bailey would be proud of me!.

Robert Reich talks here (not

Robert Reich talks here (not hare) about the Tortoise economy. HT John Walley

http://robertreich.org/post/1088134069/the-tortoise-economy

The underlying problem is structural, not cyclical. There will be no return to normal because normal got us into the hole in the first place. And the normal kind of prescriptions can’t possibly get us out. Until the economy is restructured so more Americans share in its gains, the economy won’t make many gains. We’ll be forever trying to scale a wall that can’t be, because the vast majority of Americans lack the purchasing power to move upward.

cheers

Bernard

Ruth who? Wasn't she the one

Ruth who?

Wasn't she the one who was a director of a company of significant size that went belly up?

I really wonder whetehr she or Roger Douglas have the bigger audience these days.

Then you can almost always drum up an audience of five or so.

Looks like she hasn't learned

Looks like she hasn't learned anything either.

It's still a case of no Govt, no Govt debt.

Simple mantra for simple minds.

This is indeed a case of debt and readjustment, but for the whole species, not just western Govts.

I remember a billboard just south of Chch, the flip-side had been graffiti'd with:

"Twin Pukes - Ruth and Jenny".

Laughed till I cried.

Wish I'd had a camera cellphone.....

Why bother even talking about

Why bother even talking about kiwisaver, the reason alot of people don't have Kiwisaver is they can't afford it. The government is taking 2.5% more in GST and everybody knows that they won't get any of that back.

Finally I for one like so many other people I know have a healthy disdain, dislike, and downright low opinion of the financial services sector in New Zealand, Probably there are more crooks mascarading as "advisors" than there are crooks in the Real Estate and Used Car industries combined. That is why we have such a low level low of savings, people just don't trust the financial services sector and you only have to look at the Finance company debacle to see how true that is.

totally agree... regards

totally agree...

regards

Re. #7 - "The government

Re. #7 - "The government doesn't need to spend at the level it does, it needs to look at the quality of that spending." 

Amen to that.  It also applies to every level of Government in NZ, of which there are far too many.  Does a country of 4 million need Central, Regional and Local Governments plus Community Boards!

um, why don't you ask them?

um, why don't you ask them?

She's living in la la land

She's living in la la land like she has for years....

regards

Re #1 - The only people want

Re #1 - The only people want compulsion, also like to wear Gimpy Masks.

FYI on the issue of tax

FYI on the issue of tax dodging. Jenni McManus as this story at Stuff

Tax dodge designer and Securitibank founder John George Russell has lost his High Court battle against the IRD which has billed him for $138.795 million in back taxes, interest and penalties.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4112922/Securitibank-founder-loses-tax-fight

cheers

Yeah, Bernard, but running

Yeah, Bernard, but running rental property was and is breaking no tax law: so why do you call that evasion? It wasn't. You keep lurching away from fact and toward the tabloid. It discredits this site.

Regarding Russell, yes, the IRD through a not too bright judiciary with no philosophical underpining other than their State paid wages, are increasingly taking and winning cases on their statist view of morality (that is immorally breeding the violence of our welfare state) not tax law. Do you think that a good thing given the IRD have more power than the police? So Russell was apparently using loss making entities according to the tax law of the time and  'avoiding' paying the maximum amount of tax possible: okay, you show me the section of the Income Tax Act that says an individual must pay the maximum amount of tax? Or, specifically, pay tax on all personal exertion income? (The Act makes no such distinction at all).

and now he pays up and / or

and now he pays up and / or goes to jail...

Good.

 

regards

 

So. Steven, you believe the

So. Steven, you believe the individual should pay the absolute maximum amount of tax possible for them? Why?

Why don't we just put income tax at 100%, and live on chits given to us by bureaucrats, and according to their whim?

What is you view on an individual's freedom?

What, for you, is the point of you life?

Are you happy with living in the increasing violence of a welfare society? And being forced by the State to finance it?

And by the way, he won't be

And by the way, he won't be going to jail. Russell is an old, ill man in hospital. Every taxpayer dollar spent chasing him has been a total and utter waste. But that's what governments do: piss against the wall of welfare bred need, the wealth of the producer as the State enslaves their lives to the needs of others.

(Typos alert: turn the you's in my last post to your's).

sorry mark but not breaking

sorry mark but not breaking the rules is not the same as doing the right thing.  

you can wrap it up in your libertarian idealism all you want but he played with fire and got burnt. might be time for him to take responsibility for his actions eh?

Actually. Not breaking the

Actually. Not breaking the rules is doing the right thing?

sorry mark but not breaking

sorry mark but not breaking the rules is not the same as doing the right thing.

Do you agree with the statement, 'so long as I am not initiating force or fraud on any other individual or group, then in a free country I can do whatever the hell I like'?

If you don't agree with that statement, why not.

What in your terms is 'doing the right thing'? Who decides what is 'the right thing'? We are obviously on morality here, so again, so long as I hurt no one else, why am I forced to live under another's morality that I may myself have no form of agreement with? Would you like to be bound, for point of example, to Sharia Law, should that tyranny of the majority ever get 'the numbers'?

And what about the rule of law? Do you think you can live a free life (do you want to live a free life?) without the certainty of the rule of law?

If IRD are above the rule of law because they are now taking cases on what they see as a 'collective, societal morality', and thus not on the Income Tax Act as legislated by elected officials, then I put it to you you are not living a free life to any extent; you are enslaved to the whims of unelected bureaucrats. Are you happy with that? Why would you be happy with that?

And finally out of interest, casting forward from Mr Russell to Messrs Penny and Hooper, why do you think Bill English has just legislated a 28% company tax rate if IRD believe that to use it is tax avoidance? Who does this mean is running the country and hence your life?

This 'right thing' of your's: what is it exactly?

No they should pay tax based

No they should pay tax based on a fair assessment and not like this person who seems to have gone to a pathelogical extreme to avaoid tax.

tax at 100%?

uh no...this is your "problem" Mark, you are an extremist, things ate for you black or white, there is no middle road...

An individual's freedom is important, but like I said that is not a balck or white thing but balanced with responsibility ie it is not paramount.

Point of my life, in DNA terms to re-produce...

increasing violence of a welfare society?

These are your words / conclusons and not mine...

If by "forced" you mean pay your fair share of tax, then yes...after all you can leave anytime you want.

Like I said you are a fundie / extremist liberatnz who simply dismisses the other 99.99% of NZs population.....You from my perspective live a parasidic nature within our society....

regards

Note my comments above

Note my comments above Steven, and answer those.

But, you have stated you position most clearly by this comment of your's: "An individual's freedom is important, but like I said that is not a balck or white thing but balanced with responsibility ie it is not paramount. "

That's chilling stuff. There's no buts in freedom. Freedom is most certainly a black and white issue. Though I agree it's all about responsibility for one'e own life: the exact thing the welfare state has destroyed, hence inter-generational violence now. If you don't think your freedom is paramount, then you are inviting any old tyrant in, and continuing to debate with you, for me, is pointless.

And you keep referring to this notion of a 'fair share of tax'. What is that, exactly? Per my post above, you seem to think it means you must pay the maximum amount of tax it is possible to pay; well why do we have differing tax rates between entities then?

powerdownkiwi - I think you

powerdownkiwi - I think you have forgotten that it was govts that created oceans of paper money and credit globally, in order to feed "economic growth" and provide their simple citizens with endless welfare and boondoggles. How many examples of big govt throughout history can you find which have resulted in stable society and prosperity?

Why should govt have a right to build up unpayable debts on my behalf? Worse still, the debt is spent on consumption, and other "down a black hole" spending.

NB Neither have small

NB Neither have small govns...

You get what you vote for...a Pollie promises you he/she will make things more efficient, reality they just cut things....but you dont notice...or the Pollie takes on debt...its really simple, ppl are stupid in not holding the pollies to account.

regards

Actually, I think the debt

Actually, I think the debt was corporate and private, and that the fiat paper was banks - like the Fed, which is private. I think that outweighting is one of the reasons Govts are so powerless to influence things. Ironically, that was one of the aims of the free-marketeers, one which came home to roost emphatically via the bailouts. (although to their relative advantage). That was a Govt taking on private debt.

Actually, the NZ debt that is of frightening proportion, is private too. We are the third most indebted bunch in the world, but it's private debt.

Regardless of who(m) issued the credit, I'm with you on the criminality of the doing of that. There simply isn't the underwrite left, to both maintain BAU, whilst repaying the debt. Let alone growing again from here.

Their problem (whoever the culprit!) is that sooner or later, the credit and the interest charged on it, had to be underwritten in something real.

At an exponentially-increasing rate. And therefore we're chewing into the real, at the same rate. Which means it will run out, reciprocally. The timing of which, folk like me have been watching for years.

 Interesting times.

Just remember that Govt debt is your and my debt - and that if there wasn't welfare, you'd be paying the same for protection from the angry mob.

Errr?

Errr?

Interesting no right winger /

Interesting no right winger / neo-classical economist had I think spoken out that private debt was bad....only Govn debt....unfortunately this obviously isnt the case....

BAU, nope, I dont see it.........im sitting here and wondering when I will see lightbulbs going on amongst ppl like Dr Bollard....I see him on the street occasionally sometimes i fell like walking up to him and asking him what about peak oil in your forecasts mate...For someone who I assume has a high IQ to miss such an obvious question just boggles the mind.....maybe its ivory towers or something.

regards

 

yawn, peak oil... so are you

yawn, peak oil... so are you doing anything about it? What kind of car are you driving or do you only take public transport or even better, bike everywhere? Have you got a wind or solar generator in the back yard?

If you haven't then it kinda proves even you don't take it too seriously.

Personally I like driving my fuel injected 4L v8 that does 8.2l/100km, its a very comfortable ride, but i do get annoyed that my power bill is going up because of your lots' pressure on the government to make the most inefficient of generation methods (namely solar and wind; don't get me started on tidal- that will be 3 times more expensive) viable through cross subsidisation and leeching off hydro and thermal generation. for every oldie who dies due to being cold and not being able to afford to heat their home properly, a manslaughter charge should be laid at the feet of peak oil global bullshit artists

While I agree with some of

While I agree with some of your logic around the costs involved etc of the friendly energy production, I can't help but be somewhat amused from this post, and others you have on the boards that you seem to not give a toss for much, including your own country. You seem happy however to mouth off at those who do. What exactly do you add to these discussions, other than something to scoff at?

Mort - Ain't denial ugly -

Mort - Ain't denial ugly - almost as ugly as intergenerational selfishness.

Some of us are indeed down the track, self-sufficient in power and transport. Somebody had to blaze the trail.

Interesting you have to off-load your insecurity (denoted by having to 'be' your car, rather than yourself) by 'blaming' others for energy shortages/price rises which we indeed forecast, and folk like you arrogantly ignored.

I like your name though. Did you enjoy Latin?

Peak oil isnt bullshit it is

Peak oil isnt bullshit it is a geological fact.....A legal case would be great actually.......one for AGW also...ie in both cases the science would be laid out in a court of law....it would be a pretty defining moment....and the denialists pseudo-science, mis-information and lies laid bare...

It was done for smoking.....and its the same ppl....

Yes it would be great.

Wind, and tide are not in-efficient, they are actually efficient, in effect its using free energy and converting it into usable energy, all you pay for is the cost of the conversion. The economics are what I think you mean....and actually the return on energy invested is about 15:1 for these. At present coal and oil are maybe better but they are trending down to this ratio....ie the cost to produce power is increasing.

But the problem with oil and coal is their output cannot be increased the production is at or about peak output....so to have more energy we need other alternatives. The effect on your power bill from ETS etc is negligable compared to the effect of a short fall in coal and oil output....Govn tax and ETS didnt sent Oil to $147US a barrel in 2008....demand did...

regards

Good summary. Tide is the

Good summary. Tide is the only qustion mark - it has the ability to slow down flows at venturi points - which is the only place it's any good! Given the tech logistics, I think it'll be last cab off the rank.

That and the fact that fiscal/global/trade systems are obviously going to be in a shambles at the time.

I'm off to a David Caygill lecture today - should be interesting

Oh and how will you feel or

Oh and how will you feel or who will you blame when petrol gets to $3 a litre? what about $4a litre? It wont be ETS that's driving up the cost by that factor...its what you will pay in a competitive market because others want it as well....

Unless maybe you are American and send troops over to pop off a few local for not handing over their oil cheap enough and fast enough...and a few warships to make sure that only US bound tankers get in and out....such is coming.

And is that 4litre on HP? have you considered in as little as a 2 to 5 years that expensive luxury car might be worthless? bet not....a financial clanger around your neck...

In terms of my transport needs I indeed use public transport as much as possible that and walking...I bought my house close to public transport which gives me low cost, low carbon access to most things I want....for other things I use a small car. Also Ive turned down jobs that mean I have to use a car or make significant use of them, in fact just looking at the economics of doing such a job shows them up financially as not viable....let alone carbon foot print.

Wind at home makes no sense, solar water heating probably would, however the installation cost is outside of my financial capability at present.....not until debt is eliminated from my finances....because the shocks coming make that essential.

Carry on "mort" with your head stuck in the sand....it going to hurt you more than me I suspect....but that is of course your choice.

regards

 

Haha Steven. I smelled fear.

Haha Steven. I smelled fear. Not an uncommon bedmate of bluster.

have a good weekend.

The masturbatory focus on the

The masturbatory focus on the details of the car and pseudo-concern for the elderly were nice touches.

Re#6  "Buy farmland".

Re#6  "Buy farmland". Correct. a no brainer.

"Quick, buy my farmland at

"Quick, buy my farmland at insanely inflated prices, before the rural property scam implodes and the price collapses back down to where it belongs! If you wait I'll miss out!"

Proof Bollard is full of

Proof Bollard is full of shit. Anyone else watch sundays Q&A interview?

 

http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/q-interview-alan-bollard-3760907/video

Bolly is not the only

Bolly is not the only one...check out the imbecilic "video bloggers" at the end of the interview!

"New Zealand's level of

"New Zealand's level of international indebtedness puts the country in the same league as the "Pigs" (Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain)."

Wrong, wrong, wrong wrong WRONG.  This confuses total net debt with government net debt.  In fact, NZ has about 1/3 of the level of debt of the more indebted countries.  If you want a country to worry about, worry about Britain.

Where's our 'personal debt'

Where's our 'personal debt' lie in relation though? You can't ignore that factor and put our government debt in vacuum! We are so unproductive as a country and MOST of that lack of 'productivity"  is due to us borrowing from overseas to maintain a welfare state we can no longer afford. Dump WFF's NOW!

  The problem with WFF is

 

The problem with WFF is that, like all benefits, it is being abused by a minority.

Unlike most other benefits, it's the people who rant about "bloody socialism" who are abusing it: the middle class baby boomer property investment rorters.

There are many families struggling to survive financially for whom WFF is a Godsend, but they are lumped in with the troughing pig scumbags who chortle as they rort.

WFF was/is part of the

WFF was/is part of the problem that led to the Property Bubble.

Suddenly, a large group of people had extra after tax income, which coincided with the banks having more money to lend. So the obvious occurred, people borrowed more from the banks using their "free tax dollars", which inflated property prices, and the net result was NZ taxpayers dollars ending up in the banks coffers. Are kiwis better off? Absolutely not.

If Helen had gifted the WFF money to the banks directly, we would be better off as a nation because house prices wouldn't have bubbled as much as they did.

Bollards and his ilk are the

Bollards and his ilk are the problem, not the solution.

How anyone who has fiscal responsibility for NZ's welfare can NOT have seen the SUB-PRIME and BUBBLE property fiasco building up and unfolding  is WHY we have the problems here in NZ .

This compounded by like minded financial theorists and  idiots, all around the world.

Same mantra, same idiots. Same screwing, same snouts in trough, same old, same old.

Get rid of the idiots in power and get back to a stable fiscal responsibility for one and all....NOT JUST some....the god damned working TAXPAYER.

The delusional and overpaid sense of their own worth in the Financial and Public sector is IN_CALCULABLE.

Just like the DEBT.

And the solution.....more debt.......to bail out leaky homes, leaky sieves, leaky work ethics and  multiple crooks skimming off the top of the PONZI schemes, now unfolding.

DUMB as ....putting .....the Double Dipper  in charge of the piggy bank..

Plain enuff ENGLISH.

Name me one of these cretins who has lost out because of THEIR stupidity.

Well the idiot is the TAXPAYER who has paid their way into the poor house.

And that is on top of  the poor housing quality of NZ that some other idiots expect to be their pensions.

 

Save me from them......please new zealand...usa and uk.....(small caps)....one and all.

 

 

 

New Zealand farm land will be

New Zealand farm land will be the best ivestment because the Chinese can curb steel production and the use of coal but they can't curb eating. So keep farming.

@Not signed in, I am with

@Not signed in, I am with you, and agree 100%. The question I will ask though, is

"At what point does the end to end rort funded by the working taxpayer reach a point where the taxpayer genuinely understand the degree of the problem, and do something meaningful about it" ? And I don't mean vote for a different political party ......

Not sure when or if this might ever happen

I remember watching a live tv

I remember watching a live tv show decades ago where the host, Brian Edwards I think it was, was sitting down with the national grid guy & they were both looking at a computer screen (or maybe it was an abacus back then) Anyway, it was showing the nations current real time electricity usage. Brian asked the viewers to all go & turn a light of in their homes & the resulting immediate drop in electricity consumption was significant.

What we need is for Brian to do another show but this time, ask us all to go to the bank in the morning & make cash withdrawal. Based on the number of people in NZ with either a credit card or bank account, if we all followed his suggestion I reckon a withdrawal of about $3,000 by each of us would expose the banking system for what it is.

Who knows, if the show was a hit, it could be exported to other countries in much the same way as the American Idol franchise has been. And pretty soon all if us (non taxpayers included) would understand the degree of the problem.

What percentage of Kiwis have

What percentage of Kiwis have any savings to draw from? Most seem to be living on ODs and CCs these days.

You expect us to believe you

You expect us to believe you know most kiwi's?

Actually, if we just got

Actually, if we just got Brian Edwards back, everyone would turn off anyway.

He's a bit like David Cunliffe - part of a Left - Right , Yin Yang scrap over who got which share of the cake.

Which was fine while there was enough cake.

OK, Brian Edwards was a poor

OK, Brian Edwards was a poor choice, I did enjoy how he got his tv viewers to do what he said though. How about about Richard Long, - he's creditworthy promoter who used the tv as well - to sell hangovers to heaps of us.

Compulsory

Compulsory superannuation

you state correctly that the only people who are making lots of money out of compulsory super are the fund managers and their service agents. Look at the actual returns from Kiwisave as it is now. If it weren't for the govt handout that is associated with holding an account, there wouldn't be any increase in these accounts. So should we entrustthem with more of our money, when they are managing to fail in the current scenario? Isn't that a form of madness? This is not a NZ exclusive thing, the 10k that was in my Australian fund from working over there 10 years ago, has disappeared in a myriad of fees.

The real issue with fund managers is that ost of them don;t know how to build wealth. I have a friend who works in the finance industry, and his colleagues earn 7 figure salaries, but they fritter it all away. When the GFC hit, most of them were in the inenviable position of having their entire life savings disappear due to the banks they held stock in going bust, and as a result of those bancruptcies, their bonus schemes disappeared, so they were no longer able to afford the payments on the multimillion dollar waterfront homes unless they pulled their kids out of private school education, and downsized the car. I know it sounds ridiculous, but these buggers are worse than your average punter when it comes to living outside of your means, because they spend 100's of thousands more than they earn, in the hope that the end of year bonus will cover the credit deficit at  years end.

When you have people who so inept at handling cash that they earn themselves, little wonder is there that the returns in their clients' accounts are so poor.

if compulsion comes in then there needs to be a regime set up similar to Australia's where people have the option of self managing their fund.

 

This issue of tax evasion is one of the reasons I think there is so much anger towards rental property investors in this country. Many rental investors, particuarly those who got in at the end, essentially did it to evade tax. It is among the most anti-social things to do. People understand where that sort of moral cancer leads. To Greece.  HT Dimpost.

this is just plain backward thinking, and is a gorss misrepresentation of the reality. People avoid taxes because they are annoyed at what the govt is doing with the money. You shouldn't blame the populace for this thought pattern, it lies squarely at the feet of the liberati, politicians and journalists who keep espousing nonsense which results in everybody having a suck at the taxpayers' tit. Working people are getting sick and tired of the incessant filching of their back pockets, to give money to lost causes, especially when the recipients of that money treat the hand that feeds them with utter contempt, and can't get their hand out fast enough to take some more. the real moral cancer lies with the people who feel that the productive elements of society is nothing more than a means to getting money to pursue their own pet agendas, or to buy votes with. This moral cancer begets another, that of the intergenerational welfare dependant, who are now so amoral, they wage war with their fellow citizens, look at the crime statistics and then note their 'occupation'.

Michael Burry, has some

Michael Burry, has some interesting advice. Im looking bat farmland(not in NZ) Ive looked across the Western States and found some interesting bits. I like a niche or a slight advantage over average Canada fascinated me and I may pick up some land there. I like low cost extensive operations. I found quite good land at $1000 an acre but I have great contacts in Canada and you need them in foreign lands. My friends are waiting to buy more land but only at $750 an acre. You can rent this land out at $50 an acre. Its costs you have to watch and the Canadian Govt needs a lot more money so Im thinking taxes and costs are on the way up, also the 210 days of feeding cattle in the winter is a bit of a bummer.

South America is another area with potential but my Family in Chile have repurchased their farm 3 times in the last 80 years off various socialist Governments and that’s in a stable country.

France I enjoyed most and its way cheaper than home, the problem is French tax law. What a place to live, the joy of life. Im looking at a share farming deal with some great French friends. Im meant to be in Solvakia   next week but Im still settling my daughter into Uni  in the States so will do another trip before X-mas.

People like Michael Barry underestimate the costs and complexities of Agriculture. Its not an easy game to play. Its full of risk and poor returns, you need to love the land and animals. Machinery is often a necessary evil. The weather can ruin you especially in countries like Poland.

 Low cost is the only way to go and that’s why NZ is a write off with costs at %87 of income and the Kyoto obligations our politicians have volunteered  us for, pretty much are the  death  kneel. Also our Govt needs more revenue and the power and taxes just keep on rising irrelevant to income or aforability.

  If there is one thing I like to point out it’s that we have lost our competitive edge and when commodities fall its really going to hurt NZ. Also don’t underestimate the amount of land in the world,10,000 miles in the States is an eye opener. Also politicians have little understanding of the complexities in business or the risks and John Key made his money off someone else, he was not a manufacturer or producer, a few years in the real world would have been good for him.

 The ability to increase production in Eastern Europe is something to watch, keep an eye open, land isn’t like shares as house owners will find out, the market can deal vicious blows if the buyers get wary and farms can take years to sell, while you lose money every year as Rabo and Westpac are learning with Crafars.  If wheat stays up %60 then next year will be bumper harvest and the prices will tank. Its all well producing lamb that retails at $20 a kg in the States but how many people do you think can really afford this?

 Housing and the economy here is a bloody mess. I talked to Woman with 3 houses a solo Mum.  She owes 800k on them, 400k above valuation as well as 100k of credit card debt which she used to finish doing up one of the houses. The bank used to hassle her but now she hasn’t heard a thing for several months. She has paid no interest for 2 years, lives in one of the houses and collects rental which she keeps and lives off. This cannot go on someone in the bank has a lot to confess to. Socialising losses like this is a really bad Idea and penalizes the prudent and rewards the risk takers-sounds like home. Before you invest today work out the size of the tax increases to pay for this political madness, then ask who’s going to pay!

By the way my farm fingers hate netbook keyboards,fat  fingers small keys.

Thank for your post AJ,

Thank for your post AJ, interesting as always. 

Don't buy RE-al

Don't buy RE-al Estate....

 

http://www.walletpop.co.uk/2010/09/09/russians-told-to-drink-themselves-to-death-to-help-economy/

 

Which Finance Munny-stir will suggest the same.

Michael Lewis has missed

Michael Lewis has missed something about Greece. I have lived a few months in Greece, on the Aegean but on an Island. The importation of large numbers of Albanians to do all the work has brought an ugly racial issue into Greece. Mostly Muslim and hardworking with large families these people are starting to change the ethnic mix of Greece,helped by a huge fall in the birthrate amongst indigenous Greeks. This is starting to form potential and explosive racial  tension amongst Greeks which could erupt into ugly confrontation should the economy collapse.  I dont know how widespread the Albanians are but where I lived the Greeks enjoyed the beaches while the Albanians built their tax free beach houses. 

Christchurch earthquake:

Christchurch earthquake: Farmers up in arms

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10672376&ref=rss

"The Government came under pressure last night from farmers unhappy that earthquake damage to their farms is not covered by insurance."

I wonder how this will pan out? 

Farmers want a bailout,hell,

Farmers want a bailout,hell, why not. What a  pity that its come to this,haven't they got a bulldozer, Nanny state to the rescue

Seems as if everyone expects

Seems as if everyone expects a bailout now.

How many of SCF's depositors and investors were farmers?

Double Diptoning is the order of the day.

If 'bail-outs' are all the

If 'bail-outs' are all the rage ..and the hot topic of comments here ..is it not more sensible to maybe apply some of it to productive enterprises ..ie farms, among others ..that actually produce income, and export earnings for NZ  .............rather than horribly-over-priced, uninsured houses, probably with tv dishes hanging off them...??

AJ makes some good points

AJ makes some good points above, however I think he underestimates the comparitive advantages that NZ agriculture has. Its not only about the land. Its climate and/or access to water(a big one), a stable political enviroment,  efficent infrastructure, disese free status and the backing of the "product of NZ" branding. We are not out to feed the world we aspire to be the provider of top end food to the affluent.

Sheep Shagger,  dont

Sheep Shagger,  dont overestimate our advantages. We have a generous climate but disease free can change at anytime and the affluent have turned to effluent in many peoples mind. Stable politics normally means, debts and spending under control. I don't think you can say that about NZ. I wouldn't farm sheep up here as the mountain lions would get fat as my flock dwindled. However you look at it, a correction in land values and a reduction in costs would go along way to towards securing a better future for all in NZ, except those with excessive debts based on their incomes.

And the IMF has just sold

And the IMF has just sold US$403 million worth of gold (10 metric ton) to Bangladesh.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/imf-resumes-direct-gold-dumping-sells-10-tons-shiny-metal-bangladesh

cheers

Bernard