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Kiwibank CEO queries RBNZ's leadership on liquidity policies

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Kiwibank CEO Sam Knowles has queried the Reserve Bank's decision to move ahead of the rest of the world to introduce prudential liquidity rules that are forcing the big 4 Australian owned banks to raise more funds from retail depositers here, pushing up the cost of funds for Kiwibank. Until late last year Kiwibank was able to raise all its funds from local depositers, but intense competition from other banks for retail deposits and Kiwibank's own strong lending growth rate forced it to raise NZ$309 million in longer term funds from the Australian bond markets last year. "The new Reserve Bank rules are forcing us to go offshore," Knowles told a news conference after releasing first half results showing an 8% fall in profits despite a 27.4% growth in assets. Kiwibank's ratio of net interest income as a percentage of average total assets fell to 1.4% from 1.8% the previous year as it was forced to pay higher rates for local deposits and pay higher rates for foreign longer term debt.

"New Zealand is much better being a fast follower, rather than a leader," Knowles said of the Reserve Bank's liquidity policy. The Reserve Bank has specified that banks must have 65% of their funding from stable sources by later this year, which is driving the big four Australian banks to raise more funds from retail depositers locally and for longer terms overseas. This focus on the 'core funding ratio' is designed to discourage the big banks from relying too much on 'hot foreign' money, a factor that fueled relatively low interest rates from 2003 to 2007 as banks here raised funds for fixed mortgages by borrowing on international short term money markets.  The Reserve Bank was the first central bank to implement such a policy, which is being considered by other central banks and prudential regulators in Europe and Australia. "This has increased the total costs in New Zealand of borrowing money when it didn't need to be," Knowles said. "If you're a fast follower you've got a lot more confidence that your leadership is well defined," Knowles said when asked if the Reserve Bank would have gone down this path anyway.

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If Sam Knowles wants more

If Sam Knowles wants more kiwi deposits to fund local mortgages well he could try making Kiwi bank more attractive via creating better savings plans , removing ALL transaction fees on cheque accounts while removing the pathetic interest you get on such accounts anyway. Or removing the 'commission' for foreign currency exchange too KB account holders

Don't claim Sam that aussie bond markets are your only option! Try actually competing!
ALL banks must lift their actual liquidity requirements. This is one factor that will help bring house prices back to reality.

That argument doesn't seem to

That argument doesn't seem to make any sense, I bet they would be going offshore for funds whether these rules came in or not, except they would have borrowed more from overseas, if they have a fast growth stragetgy.

It just means they will only be able to get so much from overseas, then have to go back to NZ and offer better deposit rates.

NZ should be a leader in this area and not a fast follower, because it is more applicable to NZ than just about any other country.

I think they paid the

I think they paid the Aussies 6.5% on the money they borrowed ,why not NZs DEPOSITORS,of course it would be nice to be enlightened either way.

From page 15/16, of: 'The

From page 15/16, of:

'The Reserve Bank's new liquidity policy for banks'

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research/bulletin/2007_2011/2009dec72_4.pdf

"To satisfy growing credit demand, banks will need to borrow from a variety of sources, with increased emphasis on customer deposits and longer-term markets. As a result, lending rates should automatically move higher without the Reserve Bank necessarily needing to move the official cash rate to the same extent. With ....................

.................... short-term wholesale market rates not likely to rise as much, the attractiveness of the New Zealand dollar as a destination for "˜carry trade' investors could be reduced. Through these channels, the policy has the potential to have a role in assisting monetary policy."

Don't tell us Kiwibank isn't an exporter friendly bank?

Some of us are glad RBNZ are leading, not following and would also like to see this policy work with the potential exchange rate stability benefits inferred, and we also hope banks can't loophole it easily. Time will tell.

Cheers, Les.

If the banks did not

If the banks did not have the majority of NZ depositors funds where are they?
I only ask because while the finance sector did hoover up deposits it wasn't a major part of the banking system, and those funds are not now available to banks.
Leaves lend less which places a ceiling on the total credit creation avalable to banks, me thinks.

Perhaps they've 'gone' into the

Perhaps they've 'gone' into the reverse-multiplier effect John? As debt is paid down, more cash is taken out of the system; which means banks have less to lend, and hence re-deposited into another account somewhere; and around we go. That's why governments are trying to avoid the deflationary scenario. It will suck out of the system that which it requires- funds to pay off the massive debt. ( Sorry, John! Re-read your last sentence and that's what you are saying...)

Am I missing something here?

Am I missing something here? Surely if they want to raise more money they need to increase interest rates on savings accounts?

Who knows maybe the others

Who knows maybe the others have found a way:

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/10/23/opinion-reforms...

Maybe KB needs a parent?

Prior to Kiwibank getting the

Prior to Kiwibank getting the other mob, National, in charge with a different ideology, Labour although full of dim-witted financially illiterate dip-shits, knew enough to commission Kiwibank to be to the nations community what TSB is to the Taranaki community, a service to society, not a slaveminded commercial pyramid scam,cut a margin out of charging slightly higher deposit interest, then charge less for loans, essentially channel foreign incorporated investment bank created credit through its veins to cut a margin to be returned to the community, not the whole answer, but a damn site better than not having Kiwibank in existance at all. Then came along the foreign incorporated investment bankers co-operatives, the National Party Cabinet Executive, for whom Kiwibank as one of the few nation owned commercial banks providing a nation with a means of distribution of its own money supply should its population ever awake from the drug induced coma, thus it had to be infected with the central banker debt loop of doom virus, thus was instructed to begin borrowing on the international wholesale created credit bond swap markets, slowly the debt servicing costs owed to the privately owned incorporated investment banks will subsume it as a public service.
We must fight to prevent Kiwibank from ever being sold and from ever being loaded to the gunnels with created credit foreign bond debt.
Until now banks teir one capital as part of their reserves has consisted value of mortgages issued at current market value and part of their listed share price capitalisation, bogus virtual bullshit, all volatile assets of which the current value is very hard to judge.
These volatile "near money" assets currently back the banking system, if a price correction occurs it will reduce the capital reserve ratio of banking, thus meaning banks will have to call in loans to maintain capital adequacy requirements, thus the banking regulators have decreed that banks must start to hold more govt bonds as capital reserves, thus the new system favours who?, go on have a quess.?
John Key and his fellow banker co-operatives are using a widescreen gate to herd the sheoples into a trap, setting about encumbering us with massive debt servicing obligations, he claims there will be no asset sales in the first term, none in the second unless there is a public mandate to do so, I allege he is setting up the debt repayment crisis in order that he will not "gain" a mandate from the people to sell public assets, but be "forced" to sell by international banker co-operative owned international regulation agencies.
Once these conditions are set it wont matter who gets elected next election, they will have achieved the predatory lending gaols.

Iain, Good post, you had

Iain,

Good post, you had me laughing at some of that. Your a lone voice on these issues but one day the message will be heard.

If social credit was issued by our govt and factional reserve lending was increased to 100% (eliminated) then I have no problem with the govt sale of public assets that it doesn't really need. These assets could be far better managed by the privet sector. However the opposite is true under the current monetary system and therefore in that case I agree with everything you have said.

Food for thought Iain, and

Food for thought Iain, and there was I thinking our sovereign independence was greatly strengthened by the RBNZ requirement for 65% rising to 75%, possibly more, of bank borrowing to be raised onshore.

'Kiwibank seeks overseas cash' http://www.nzherald.co.nz/busines

'Kiwibank seeks overseas cash'

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=1062...

Knowles believed it was a short-term issue. "My presumption is that, over time, other banks will strengthen their offshore term franchises and there will be some adjustment in the market." [ ... hmm, so will the automatic stabilizer effect he is, now, complaining about be so potent in future?]

It meant depositors were doing well [ ... maybe people will save more then, what's wrong with that?] and lending rates would increase faster than they would otherwise. [Yep, as envisaged by the RB, without cranking up the OCR and hanging the Kiwi's ass out for a kicking upwards, so not too shabby for exporters, we hope ...]

There was a cost to the economy in paying for banking security, he said. [And there's a real big cost in not being more prudential - get used to the new world, or get a new job.]

"I think it's a trade-off in the end, that the Government and the Reserve Bank has to make. I am not sure it's a smart thing to do for a nation that's a big borrower." [Yeah, see ya point, let's just keep borrowing more and more and more .... that'll help - not!]

Amazing.

the 1/3 ratio has been

the 1/3 ratio has been the rule of thumb for centuries for stable banking systems
Gone thrown out in the '90s...the result was the boom and dramatic increase in customer borrowing and drop in savings resulting in excessive consumerism including an unprecedented property boom...
I really cant see the complaint has a legit basis, other than now its a level playing field

What surprises me is Knowles appears from the statement, top banker, and yet seems to have very little knowledge of the history of banking and the essentials to keep it stable.
On the other hand kiwi bank has more or less kept to tradition ratios over the period and done quite well.
Smacks of hypocrisy based on propaganda sry PR machine.

Does Knowles think we are all stupid or something?

Hi Iain, Thank you for

Hi Iain,

Thank you for continuing to spread your message. If it means anything to you, there are many who know and agree with exactly what you're saying.

In saying that, I am also weary of anyone who subscribes to revolution, as history tells us who suffers the most from such. Is it possible we can pay back our debts?

When you calculate the public and private debt versus assets for quite a few country's e.g. USA, you will find that they are completely bankrupt. The question is, not to whom, but why or for what reason?

We know there is an impending shake up some time soon, so how does one become prepared.

My advice to everyone is to consider how you can help yourself, your friends, family, and your neighbours. The answer is simple, consider what core needs any person has and ensure they are catered for, specifically:

Debt free
Tradeable gold, silver (that can't be confiscated)
Preserved food products (e.g. canned goods), water or means to purify
Secure, safe shelter with space to grow veges
First aid equipment

It's possible the system as we know it will continue for another generation or two - that being the case, being debt free and having supplies in case of an emergency is good for peace of mind anyway.

And no, I'm not subscribing you hide away in communes or caves "“ that would be wacky.

Regards,

I would probably write Sam

I would probably write Sam Knowles's comments off as a total waste of time.

The issue is local deposits overall not just with one bank, and if this ratio helps to make banks offer more realistic rates to local depositors then it's good, instead of going oversea and sidestepping the controls our RBNZ has put into on the economy via interest rates.

So Kiwibank is happy to lend at the same rates as the Aussie banks, but not happy to borrow up to the same rates? they must be doing something wrong somewhere then.

@phil, maybe they don't have

@phil, maybe they don't have a big bro is Oz to slip them some long wedge under the table, via a 'special bond seller', that big bro in Oz borrowed short from some where little sisters in NZ now can't. I wonder if RBNZ can monitor that kind of thing? I wonder how they do it? If the Oz 4 get under KB, RBNZ need to be asking why.

If debt = money, no

If debt = money, no debt = no money?

@GOM, question is, does money,

@GOM, question is, does money, have, to = debt?

Is there a better way?

Cheers, Abe.

@Jacko, but he is saying

@Jacko, but he is saying the reason why it's now tough for Kiwibank is because the aussie banks are now offering decent rates to get local deposits, this indicates less borrowing from the overseas big brothers of the aussie banks, not more.

@phil, I understand that core

@phil, I understand that core funding is a mix of funding streams, so a lender could be more competitive on aggregate with the loan side of the business, if the margin penalty of offering higher domestic deposit rates was subsidised (compensated) by obtaining cheaper money (via an SPV say) where a competitor, eg Kiwibank, does not have access. Something, for someone, somewhere to keep an eye on.

prophet 101, No talk of

prophet 101,

No talk of revolution here, only revelation, a diplomatic revival of common decency.

The Banking Empire is the greatest borderless empire ever achieved in history, only a concerted international effort will any longer stand a show of blunting its detrimental impacts upon people and planet

http://www.jamesrobertson.com/g20monetaryreform.pdf

Pg 20 on has a brilliant explanation of usury
http://circ2.home.mindspring.com/Money_and_Debt_Part1_lo.PDF

GOM, Abe, yes. Money should

GOM, Abe, yes. Money should be based on debt that has been freely entered into by both parties in an open market. The idea that Governments should attempt to "control" interest rates is wrong. The amount of money that a Government can issue is limited only by it's ability to tax, therefore the greater on issue the greater the debt burden on future taxpayers. Social credit talk about debt free money . . . can't be done. Governments need only to ensure regulation in the marketplace to ensure that all debt entered into is not fraudulent, and is affordable, ie to ensure the "soundness of the money in circulation". When taxes are paid the money received should be extinguished, the current system where this does not happen (because of the way the Government is connected to the banking system) leads to the accumulation of the sovereign fiat in the banking system and ultimately the banking system ends up "owning" the taxpayer.

Hi Fred, I disagree that

Hi Fred,
I disagree that debt free money cant be issued in the right circumstances, within monitored parameters of sound methodology, a portion of the monetary base could be granted to build productive social infrastruce such as sustainable energy plants. All other money issued forward as credit to unlock productive resources such as other worthy national social infrastructure, housing for first home buyers and worthy local govt infrastructure I agree to avoid inflation must have the principal and administration costs returned to be cancelled out of circulation by taxation, but I advocate that these loans must not come with the mathematically debt enslaving compound interest attached that ensures that all debt issued can never be repaid and ever increases, thus causes inflated taxation or public assets forced to be sold to the very people who loaned you the credit. 1% compounding interest is roughly the equivalent of 11% simple interest and it increases exponentially the higher the compounding rate. Read page 19 on in pdf browser to comprehend this
http://circ2.home.mindspring.com/Money_and_Debt_Part1_lo.PDF
The above would reduce the cost of credit down the food chain, credit must then be issued in a prudent manner that keeps the means of exchange in circulation somewhere relevant to what is sustainably able to be produced to be exchanged, credit issued in excess of that enters the bullshit realm that has created the financial equivalent of the Cuban missile crisis we are witnessing today.
Fred, you said "The amount of money that a Government can issue is limited only by it's ability to tax", I put it to you that the amount of money issued is limited by the amount of sustainable resources to be unlocked to create enough commerce to provide amble repayment and excess to cover the period in a citizenships lives that they can no longer be expected to work due to the human bodies ageing processes.

A bit of info for those that think my use of the word slavery is "over the top";

"Slavery is more common around the world than at any time in human history, according to the latest research by a British-based academic who advises the United Nations.......The most common form of modern slavery was debt bondage, where a person pledged himself or herself against a loan. That was particularly prevalent in the Indian subcontinent. Another growth area was contract slavery, where workers were tricked into signing away their rights. That was found in south-east Asia, Brazil, Africa, some Arab states and parts of India."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/slavery-worse-now-than-under-...

http://www.betterbytheyear.org/slavery/what_is_slavery.htm

Fred, what do you think of the loan sharks that take advantage of the "shit rolls down hill" effect, caused by the incorporated international banks, to prey upon desperate people by providing short-term loans at rates that are nothing but enslaving
http://www.labour.org.nz/news/chauvel-has-unscrupulous-loan-sharks-his-s...

Fred, you wouldn't ACT(sure as hell they wouldn't) to stop such practices at all levels in the spectrum?

Yeah nice one Iain............... Keep

Yeah nice one Iain...............

Keep it up Bolly come on my son, it's taking shape........... and now the whinning Kiwi Bank wants to spoke your works . Well said Les Rudd ...don't sound too export friendly to me...!