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Have your say: Pressure on Kiwibank owner NZ Post to close outlets due to unsustainable costs; Is Kiwibank a drain?

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Kiwibank owner New Zealand Post looks set to close a number of outlets due to financial pressures partially caused by its banking arm, Vernon Small reports on Stuff.

The announcement reignites questions over the viability of the government's support of the State-owned bank as it strives to increase its market share and expand out from small-medium enterprise lending and play and compete with the big Australian banks.

"Currently, the group loses NZ$40 million per annum ... for services provided to the postal business, Kiwibank, and third parties," NZ Post Chairman Michael Cullen said in a letter to SOE Minister Simon Power earlier this year.

Kiwibank's after-tax profits for the six-month period to December grew from NZ$5.4 million in 2005 to as high as NZ$25.8 million in 2008, although that fell to NZ$13.9 million last year. However, despite the bank appearing to be profitable on its own, it is still effectively subsidised by NZ Post (and therefore the taxpayer).

In the six months to December 2010, with an after tax profit of nearly NZ$14 million, Kiwibank received NZ$20.8 million worth of "payment services fee income" from NZ Post. Kiwibank is paid to run the post shops, providing bill payment and other services to NZ Post customers.

The government also provides support for Kiwibank's credit rating through an agreement to provide currently uncalled capital on commercial terms in the case of a significant unforseen event that would hit the banks books and trigger a possible downgrade.

Kiwibank striving for growth

Meanwhile, the Herald reports Cullen's comments to Parliament's Commerce Committee last month that Kiwibank had been staffed and organised on the assumption of very strong growth.

"At any particular point in time it's staffing is reflecting the anticipated needs for the growth of the next phase rather than it's current service delivery profile. As a consequence its actual cost ratio is actually quite high by banking standards," Cullen said.

"This period of slow growth, which is going to be inevitable for Kiwibank over the next year or two, is probably an opportunity to address more firmly that issue of cost reduction within Kiwibank itself," he said.

Your view?

There were suggestions last year that half of Kiwibank could be sold off for the type of 'mixed-ownership' scheme the government is looking at for the State-Owned power companies. Should this be looked at again?

Kiwibank still currently puts pressure on NZ Post and the government's resources as it strives for growth. Should it continue to be subsidised for a few years while it gains its market share, or should it be made to be profitable on its own now (it's had a number of years to figure out how to do that itself now)?

With New Zealand's postal system declining due to e-mail and other forms of communication, should there be cuts to that side of the NZ Post business, so that Kiwibank can still be supported until it's able to be profitable on its own?

Meanwhile, Kiwibank is borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars in offshore 'hot' money markets and lending it back into New Zealand's mortgage market at record low interest rates. See our article here.

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What commercial experience

What commercial experience has Cullen ever had.  The only reason that I can see for a National party Gov't to put him in this position is for him too fail.  Hopefully he won't disappoint them.

....this has been a sham for

....this has been a sham for years. Kiwibank took on NZ Post's payment services revenue and started reporting profits - on it's own it was a big loss-maker. Glad to see they started to own up.

They might also like to own up about the governments capital injections to cover their reserve requirements for the increase in mortgage business they've had. This would show it as even more of a disaster. Also they might like to expalin why in the middle of the recession they were reporting almost no bad debts when all the others banks were getting hammered - who was paying people's mortgages when they lost their jobs? Was it Winz??

This is one crown asset that

This is one crown asset that has to be 100%  sold - but is there any bank or other financial organisation gulible enough to do so, I'm not sure ?

But the one thing you can take for granted is that majority of the NZ public would vote to retain this sink hole of tax payers dollars, thinking that someone other than themselves is the one actually pissing it away.

...I don't think the punters

...I don't think the punters would have a clue Grant. They'd just fall for the politicized spin hook, line and sinker that's been pouring out about what a wonderufl success kiwibank has been....then be horrified when it was sold...I guess at least now there's a modicum of more honest reporting of its financials. If people learn the truth that's the start to being able to make the right decisions about an asset.

Old Cullen aye? The Doctor of

Old Cullen aye? The Doctor of religious history made Minister of Finance by Labour because he was the only one with Dr. in front of his name that the sheoples might actually swallow is not a complete monetarist finger puppet. I would say he has now advanced beyond that to the title of Monetarist Duke Box that one Mike Moore achieved where by the world government of money downloaded them with their favourite tracks that transcend party politics so that they could be wheeled out where the monetarists wanted them, the track numbers punched in and let the performance begin. They pick out New Zealanders because they make the best flag bearing monetarist finger puppets to front predatory financial invasions because as Stephen Jennings one of their ex NZ Treasury favourite sons said " New Zealanders are not seen to have the same ideological baggage as others"

Kiwibank is the international wholesale bankers greatest threat and they want it destroyed! 

"Kiwibank is the

"Kiwibank is the international wholesale bankers greatest threat and they want it destroyed"

I'm sure youre right Iain - with the Govt pouring money down a loss making venture, it will be very hard for the other banks to compete - NZ will be so better off right ?

 

Grant, Kiwibank is still the

Grant,

Kiwibank is still the most profitable operation within NZ Post Office. Kiwibank would be much more profitable if it was not just circulating through its veins the private sector debt that circulates as all but a fraction of our national money supply, but was circulating our own NZ originated primary liquidity base to mobilise labour to unlock our natural resources and then provide our necessities of life and essential infrastructure as a public service as a launch pad and fall back position for private enterprise to deal in desirables at the cheapest possible cost.

Kiwibank also gives us access to our own independent clearing house system should we ever take back our sovereign right to issue our own public credit to fund our infrastructure and build our assets, or expropriate what has already been stolen under false pretences.

It is what Kiwibank, atleast well it had a political party with the will to do so, had and would have continued to save the nation in foreign interest repayment by offering local competition gouging foreign banks that would have saved the nation most in the longterm.

Kiwibank announced cheapest mortgage rates would benefit New Zealanders.

Might have been true under Labour Government, who although having little indepth financial literacy could atleast see benefit of having state owned bank doing what the TSB "did" for Taranaki residents by circulating through its veins the mainly foreign private debt that circulates as all but a fraction of our national money supply in order to cut a profit margin from plain vanilla bank lending and return the profits after cost as dividends to local resident shareholders. Using local competition to keep foreign banks from gouging.

Then came National Government who believe all necessities of life and essential infrastructure belong in the hands of private profit seekers. They set up a subsidiary of Kiwibank, Kiwi Capital Securities LTD, within New Zealand Post Office Parent to start borrowing from international wholesale banks to expand lending into riskier areas. This at a time of global credit crisis when many allied democratic nations are questioning the authenticity of the created credit these banks issue.

This nullifies local competition aspect and see's more revenues by way of interest or dividend flowing off shore.

I say the TSB "did" do the same for local Taranaki community shareholders, as it to has recently started borrowing from international wholesale banks for the same reasons as Kiwibank, which will have same outcome.

When did the local shareholders get asked if they want to cut international wholesale banks in on their business?

Its partial privatisation of both! 

Iain - the likes of Kiwibank

Iain - the likes of Kiwibank & TSB aren't borrowing from overseas for "lending into risker areas", they are borrowing from overseas simply as a result of the fact that the RBNZ  quite rightly increased the reserve deposit requirements of all the NZ trading banks, thus forcing a price war on retail deposits. As it became increasing competive, that source of funding proved insufficient for the locally owned banks to continue expanding their businesses and as a result they were forced to borrow offshore as the Aussie banks have done for many years. Its simply a reflection of the fact that NZers do not save enough, and to retain their life styles, banks have had to access other countries savings to keep them going.

I think I agree with what else you're inferring that it would be nice for all NZ servicing business to be locally owned, and retain the income here, but for the reason stated above, that's a pipe dream - we don't save and we don't have the capital to finance such businesses or we would. The one area that I want strength in businesses is in the risk areas such as banking and insurance (AMI being a good example of the risk of local owned companies). Whilst just about all Western banks including NZ & Aussie banks had to use Govt support during the GFC when all confidence was lost, at least we had a banking system that was sound and continued to lend to reasonable credit risks, rather than dry up as has happened in most western countries outside of Australia & NZ and compound their recessions - God help us if all our NZ banks had been only locally owned over the last two years.

 

Grant, Your above post

Grant,

Your above post contains much that is not as you say it is.

I have to go get behind the hamster wheel for ten odd hours today, but will give you a little to think about and research until I can contest indepth this evening.

The RBNZ only increased the length of the term of borrowings banks claim to act as reserves. Those so-called "deposits" are infact only really circulating debt as all but a fraction of money supply originates as interest bearing debt owed to the financial sector.

As for money borrowed from international wholesale banks being someones "savings" and the banking system being "sound", I would suggest you need to do a little research on just what happens at the treasury Bills and Debt bond exchange process, what role the primary bond dealers play and just where their "money" originates!

It is implied that NZ has a fractional reserve system, but it has infact been a multilayered confidence trick of creative accountancy since 1989 when official documents state we moved to a zero reserve system to a prudential reserve system based on bank self internal risk assessment and them being deemed to be solvent provided they could keep their customers confidence that they could meet their day to day liabilities.

The current international banking model is insolvent by design and debt peonage trap to every non-insider subjected to having to participate in it by way of it being decreed their "funny money" is the only thing accepted as payment of tax. 

Are you out there Grant A,

Are you out there Grant A, lets get down and dirty on the truth about the private controlled monetary, banking and credit systems?

You know a truly

You know a truly proffessional investigative media used to not publish stuff if it was not the truth, now when it comes to monetary, banking and credit systems the now corporate concentrated tag alongs dont publish stuff because it is the truth.

What an upside down world we serve?