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Wednesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Debunking the Harvard report that debunked Peak Oil; Beijing's congestion charging plan; Chinese property tax trials; An American aristocracy of the elite; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10.30 pm today in association with NZ Mint.
As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email tobernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.
See all previous Top 10s here.
My must read today is #1. I'm on my bike.
1. Still on the slippery slope to peak oil - New Scientist says peak oil is still a reality, despite the much-touted research released from Harvard in June suggesting otherwise.
This piece is a comprehensive takedown of the Harvard research, saying it has 'glaring mathematical mistakes'.
It also cites an IMF paper saying real oil prices are likely to double permanently over the next decade.
Related Topics
Is New Zealand ready for US$200/barrel oil and a petrol price north of NZ$3/litre?
How are you arranging your business and personal affairs for this?
Got a car running around 5 litres per 100 kms?
Planning on cycling and walking a lot more?
Here's the New Scientist piece.
The recent hysteria rests heavily on the rise of shale oil in the US, which was unforeseen and is significant. After four decades of decline, US oil production turned in 2005 and has generated the bulk of the global supply growth since then. But to brand this a "paradigm-shifter", as Maugeri does, is wrong.
He forecast that this boom will lead to an astonishing 4 mb/d of additional US shale production capacity by 2020. By contrast, the US Department of Energy, usually optimistic, predicts total US shale oil production will peak at just 1.3 mb/d in 2027.
One reason Maugeri's forecast is so high is that he assumes production from existing shale wells will decline by just 15 per cent per year.
Industry consultant Art Berman puts decline rates at around 40 per cent. Analysis by Bob Bracket of US market analysts Bernstein Research shows similarly steep declines, and also that the average shale well takes just six years to become a "stripper well" - producing just 10 to 15 barrels a day. Such declines are far higher than for conventional wells, effectively meaning the industry must drill furiously just to stand still. It is this factor that will limit future production growth.
2. Chinese property tax - Shanghai Daily has the latest on this trial. This could take the top off the Chinese property boom.
THE central provinces of Hubei and Hunan may be next to implement a property tax trial as detailed rules are being drafted, a newspaper under the Ministry of Land and Resources said yesterday, citing unnamed sources at the State Administration of Taxation.
The expanded program in the two provinces may impose a tax on second homes, whether newly bought or not, owned by local families, the paper said.
The European Project is a wooly-headed idea with no compelling political or economic rationale, which is threatening to condemn half of the continent to penury and intractable indebtedness. The idea that the “loss of political significance” is worse than a depression is not only fallacious, but also elitist. It is better that the people of Southern Europe have jobs and houses, than it is that “Europe” succeeds.
4. Britain's mess - Paul Krugman points out yet again the austerity prescription isn't working in Britain, which last night reported a suprise budget deficit.
The New Statesman had a good idea — it went to 20 British economists who signed a letter back in early 2010 calling for immediate austerity and asked them whether they still supported the Osborne policies now that Britain is in double-dip recession. Only one of those who replied said yes, while nine urged Osborne to reconsider his opposition to stimulus.
circumstances really haven’t changed; the UK had a depressed economy then, and it still does now. Fiscal austerity while the economy is depressed, and in particular when conventional monetary policy has reached its limits, was an obviously bad idea from day one.
MSNBC host and author Chris Hayes in a new book called Twilight Of The Elites, America has become a self-perpetuating aristocracy, in which the small percentage of Americans who benefit from the power and wealth imbalance do what they need to do to ensure that they and their friends and families cling to power.
Importantly, this new aristocracy crosses racial and gender lines--it's not the "old white boy" network of prior generations.
But it's just as insidious in terms of removing the meritocracy that is part and parcel of the now-rare "American Dream" and replacing it with what amounts to an old-world aristocracy. Even President Barack Obama, Hayes argues, succumbed to this trend when he gained power. Although his own story represents the epitome of the old American dream, Obama's policies now seem designed to preserve the power of the elites, a class in which he is now firmly entrenched.
So how do we fix this? In Hayes' view, we should start by raising taxes on high incomes and raising the minimum wage.
6. The Facebook fallacy - Michael Wolff nails it here at TechReview.com.
For all its valuation, the social network is just another ad-supported site. Without an earth-changing idea, it will collapse and take down the Web.
7. Baby drought - Bloomberg reports on the economically stifling effects of a US baby drought.
“Consumption bumps up when families have children,” said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Plc in New York, who worked at the Federal Reserve from 1995 to 2000, and researched household finances. “The fact we are seeing fewer births is something of a drag onconsumer spending. To the extent this turns out to be a persistent trend, it is something to be worried about.”
The population increased by 0.92 percent, or 2.8 million people, to 311.6 million from the end of the decennial population count on April 1, 2010, to July 1, 2011, the slowest rate over a similar period since the mid-1940s, the Census Bureau said.
8. Chinese congestion charges - Bloomberg reports on the communist state's plan to charge for road use to reduce congestion and pollutions. How very green-red.
Beijing plans to build a system for imposing road-congestion charges on motorists, adding to caps on vehicle registrations as China’s capital seeks to ease traffic jams and cut emissions.
The municipal government will also accelerate the expansion of the subway network, increase dedicated bus lanes and encourage the use of bicycles for short commutes, according to a five-year development plan by the city’s transportation commission posted on its website.
9. Spanish political strife - Reuters reports the political pain in Spain is getting ugly as the austerity pressure goes on.
Two Spanish government ministers traded public barbs on Tuesday, clashing over implementation of tough austerity measures demanded by the European Union as Spain's borrowing costs soar, pushing it toward needing an international bailout.
Treasury Minister Cristobal Montoro said in an interview that he would veto new taxes on energy firms proposed by Industry Minister Jose Manuel Soria, saying that addressing the budget deficit was a bigger priority than energy sector reform.
10. Totally Stephen Colbert on the Romney-Ryan double act
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Where's Wolly ?
Where's Wolly ?
Busily filling in an
Busily filling in an application for Bernard's job ?
...... we can only hope that Wolly gets the gig !
:-)
Oh Gee BH.... 1. Misses the
Oh Gee BH....
1. Misses the point that was proved in 2008 with oil at $147USD (and is being repeated this year at $100USD). While some such as I as an individual can sustain $200USD based petrol (my 4~6 week bill goes from $100 to $200) many who use a tank+ a week so $400 a month to $800 a month cannot.....let alone the impact on businesses.....
That sort of price signals a permanent stagnation/recession a saw tooth effect economy witha downward trend......and thats if we are lucky. It wont be that stable of course....so a Greater Depression starter sometime in the next 5 years....if the financial right wing mumbo jumbo we see today doesnt do it first.
regards
It is curious to watch the
It is curious to watch the peak oilers shift their prophecies of doom with each new find of oil. In this case, " rests heavily on the rise of shale oil in the US, which was unforeseen and is significant". Aha! A "significant" find of oil was "unforeseen". So when they predicted that the sky was going to fall because oil was running out, and nothing easy was left to be found, they had not factored in a "significant" source of oil. Are there any other sources of oil out there that we need to know about before we set the next date for the apocalypse, or shall we just set an interim date now until all the data comes in?
Peak oil is just a hobby for doomsdayers. Surely a more interesting analysis would be, "what are the likely climate impacts of using all the oil we currently know about in the time period it is likely to be burned in?" It doesn't appear that we need to find any more for there to be a problem.
There was nothing 'unforseen'
There was nothing 'unforseen' about the shale deposits - they've been known of for 40 years or more. Nobody went near them because they were the dregs in the barrel.
When you are into the dregs, it's because the good stuff has wented. It's not 'doomsaying' (how many times has it got to be said around here - emotions don't alter reality), merely stating the obvious.
Peak Oil isn't about 'running out', that's a commonly-made - and foolish - mistake. it's about peak flows of usable energy. Shale oil is good enough in an energy-return-on-energy-invested manner, to fuel BAU. You will do things on it, but you won't underwrite growth, quite the reverse.
Climate Change will have an impact (if you've evolved to be optimal in a given habitat/environment, then you alter that habitat/environment, statistically you have to be negatively impacted) but not as immediate as choked energy supply. The irony is that if we're causing the problem already and we're only half-way through.............
Correct. BHP, one of the
Correct. BHP, one of the global giant resource companies got all excited earlier this year and bought PetroHawk in the US for its shale real estate holdings. Paid $20 billion and has now just taken a bath of 50% on it. Dropped a cool $10 billion. And BHP is a smart operator. ??
Possibly more a move to
Possibly more a move to dominate the supply side industry rather than a profit venue.
Ignorance is bliss in your
Ignorance is bliss in your case it seems. Actually peaak oilists do not as such.....I think Keynes? said "when the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir?" Simple, find some small field, adjust the peak by a few days or at most months...
Shale is and was not un-forseen and it wont be significant, its not easy oil....the key is EROEI....shale doesnt have a EROEI of 8 to 1 or more.....its probably not even 6 to 1. Mostly shale will be a gas play btw.
You also fail to appreciate maths....or specifically the expotential function. So at 2.5% more per aunum 70/2.5 = 28 years to double our present needs. So today we use 86million barrels per day.....28 years from now ideally we want 170mbpd, to do that we'd have to find double what we have already found (2.3 trillion barrels) inside 5 years and develope it inside 5 years ...the chances are for that is zero.
The analysis has already been done on AGW effects and yes in terms of AGW we have and we will release enough CO2 for us to go extinct before 2200 in the next few decades, (possibly this decade) time lag being what it is.
regards
but steven, you are denying
but steven, you are denying the next animals to rule this planet their place. thats evil and discriminating!
Im not denying them
Im not denying them anything.....humans have at most 100,000 years of existance due to DNA limits....and 100,000 years is meaningless in terms of eons.
regards
are you serious; which limit
are you serious; which limit is that? How old is that research to say that dna is limited? all dna is limited to that or the paticular version that is the current form of homo-sapian.
It's a copyright thing. Fair
It's a copyright thing. Fair use runs out after that, and any breeders will be in breach.
It was a piece I read on
It was a piece I read on male's DNA, apparantly the male DNA is shortening slowly....at about the 100,000 year mark we will have to be replaced with plastic and batteries...buy duracel now!!!!
So our total existance will be about 200,000 years.....
regards
too funny. remember most
too funny. remember most stuff you read in science is just garbage and of no practical value.. especially the popular press. no working scientist thinks anything of significacne of the science mags except the pr value.
What my fellow energy folk
What my fellow energy folk are forgetting to mention is not all oils are created equal. some are light and sweet ( easy to work, good for most purposes), others are heavy, sour, or take a lot of cleaning up. Which means they have to be transported to the right refineries set up to handle that source product, then shipped back to the place where appropriate industries have built up to utilise/store the product (as it's too expensive to shift the factories (and staff) to the oil each time!)
Since oil's primary creation takes so long, the industry for refinement tends to spring up in that spot, and the industry to utilise that type of oil tends to be mid-way between the source of the oil and the destination market.
But since raw oil (base of crude) takes so long to be created, it gets depleted in the area which the original pumps were set up. So they have to go further afield to get the right crude oil.
Initially this isn't too bad as there is usually something similar "close" by in reasonable volume, so it's moderately quick and reasonably cheap to make it worth the extra gathering cost. But as we hit "peak product" they have to go further to get the right crude, and then ship the refined product futher as the market has expanded. Which means alternatives have become worthwhile, or previous consumption is just too expensive (the old gas guzzling US cars for example).
It's not that we "will run out". It's that the cost of scraping those last bits of product won't be able to justify the cost of production. eg when gas costs $40-70 per litre. (partly from the distance, but partly because the overheads of labour, freight, factory steelware, and safety equipment will be portioned on a diminishing amount of product). Those are the market forces in play, and they are absolutely inevitable.
Not forgetting....just not
Not forgetting....just not trying to confuse the already limited and blinkered with too many facts at once.
Interesting thing is most refineries are set up for sweet, yet whats left is sour....and NZ's plant is setup for sour. In the future its not likely to be economically or time possible to convert sweet plants to sour.......we might have the last laugh in NZ yet....ie the yanks might steal the oil but wont be able to refine it.....they might invade and take marsden off us I suppose.
:/
regards
I didn't know we were set up
I didn't know we were set up for sour. Is that a recent change on our part?
According to Nicole Foss the oil we extract from the ground here in NZ cannot be processed in NZ. Maybe that has changed. If so, good.
I think in the end, yes, someone will take it. Probbaly wont need to invade in my opinion; it'll be in one of our trade agreements - an oil for trinkets 'swap' or some such.
Regards.
Peak conventinal oil - the
Peak conventinal oil - the black stuff that comes out of the ground - has already past. This so called shale oil is not even oil, it's kerogen. A waxy oil like substance that hasn't been cooked by subduction deep in the earth and is thinly dispersed in hard clay. The fact we are even mining it tells you all you need to know about how desperate we're getting.
Like a lot of things really. Like super deep water oil rigs or copper mines at 0.2% copper concentration or sending ships from the northern hemisphere deep into the Southern Ocean to harvest krill. Whale food FFS.
http://www.peakprosperity.com/crashcourse/chapter-18-environmental-data
No - we aren't forgetting any
No - we aren't forgetting any of that Misty - right with you.
Until you get to the "$40-70 per litre".
The money side of the ledger has to be backed by something other than debt proffered; at $40-70 a litre (in todays equivalent dollars) what's happening to generate the backing?
As Bollard said:
http://www.interest.co.nz/news/52059/rbnz-governor-warns-chinese-slowdown-us-gloom-commodity-price-boom-and-sovereign-debt-bust-are-risks
"Indeed if oil prices escalate beyond US$100 for long, growth in much of the world will suffer again,"
"generate the backing" money
"generate the backing"
money is not directly attached to something. i.e. watts/joules/kg of gold etc. it variable based on what people want and how much they want it.
Actually it isn't variable at
Actually it isn't variable at all, it is locked into a downward spiral. The quantity theory of money left out the interest, so I put it in: (M.V)+i=P.Q
Try running some scenarios with that and see what you come up with. Incrementally lower interest rates, lowering velocity and increasing money. Hyperinflation or default is the end point. What PDK is talking about is the production side, and if that goes down (It will in a default or due to lack of resources) then the scenario I have painted accelerates.
What people want only affects spot interest rates, never the trend.
too funny. next time there
too funny. next time there is a sale on I'll tell the shop 'you cant do that' the price level is set and you must sell it at that price based on the quanity theory of money.
I thought you were talking
I thought you were talking about the money supply not trivial individual transactions.
you can apply to the economy
you can apply to the economy - ie zimbabwe. the point is money - as it is - is not locked to something. 1 unit of money is not locked. unlinke 1 gram of gold is always one gram of gold
... and fortunately we
... and fortunately we haven't reached peak gold yet. ;-)
Actually, http://news.goldsee
Actually,
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1145804580.php
Its debatable, but 2000 seems a probable date....though some suggest 2020ish, all of about 10 years away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_gold
regards
That is dead right and is
That is dead right and is exactly the reason we went away from the gold standard. The money supply used to have a direct connection to resources, but then the resources started getting harder to get then the logical thing was to disconnect money from resources. Doesn't matter though, as it will always come around again. Peak EROI in 1961 (when the rate of population growth turned down) and off the gold standard in 71.
not sure about harder to get
not sure about harder to get resources, i thought it was so government could spend more than it could tax. ie war funding
Yep, to buy the resources to
Yep, to buy the resources to fight the war. Oil was already getting more expensive to get out of the ground. But all those aircraft need metals, as do all the guns and ammo. Brass shell casings need copper, which is getting increasing harder to get and at current rates of consumption will only last 40 years.
Other countries were stupid enough to take a devaluing US dollar in exchange for these resources. Why do you think the US are considering a free trade deal with NZ? There won't be anything free about it, empires draw resources from the periphery and we are next on the list.
7. I think someone told me
7. I think someone told me the cost of having a child in a US hospital was something like $10kUSD....and dont think its covered by std insurance?
So gee why I wonder are US ppl having less babies...let alone any other costs weighing them down.
regards
http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/
http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/222285/its-going-get-very-ugly-rich-poor-and-hungry
One of the more astute reporters on the planet, is Dyer.
yes he opened my eyes in 2006
yes he opened my eyes in 2006 to peak food etc.....just at peak oil funnily enough...oops.
Lost the URL but I have the piece....(hopefully BH / GD will forgive me posting it here)
"Gwynne Dyer: World's dwindling larder
Friday October 13, 2006
We are still living off the proceeds of the Green Revolution, but that hit diminishing returns 20 years ago. Now we live in a finely balanced situation where world food supply just about meets demand, with no reserve to cover further population growth. But the population will grow anyway, and the world's existing grain supply for human consumption is being eroded by three different factors: meat, heat and biofuels.
For the sixth time in the past seven years, the human race will grow less food than it eats this year. We closed the gap by eating into food stocks accumulated in better times, but there is no doubt that the situation is getting serious. The world's food stocks have shrunk by half since 1999, from a reserve big enough to feed the entire world for 116 days, to a predicted low of only 57 days by the end of this year.
The miracle that has fed us for a generation now was the Green Revolution: higher-yielding crops that enabled us to almost triple world food production between 1950 and 1990 while increasing the area of farmland by no more than 10 per cent. The global population more than doubled in that time, so we are now living on less than half the land per person than our grandparents needed. But that was a one-time miracle. Since the beginning of the 1990s, crop yields have essentially stopped rising.
One reason we are getting closer to the edge is the diversion of grain for meat production. As incomes rise, so does the consumption of meat, and feeding animals for meat is a very inefficient way of using grain.
It takes between 11 and 17 calories of food (almost all grain) to produce one calorie of beef, pork or chicken, and the world's production of meat has increased fivefold since 1950. We now get through five billion hoofed animals and 14 billion poultry a year, and it takes slightly over a third of all our grain to feed them.
Then there's the heat. The most visible cause of the fall in world grain production - from 2.68 billion tonnes in 2004 to 2.38 billion tonnes last year and a predicted 1.98 billion tonnes this year - is drought, but there are strong suspicions that these droughts are related to climate change.
Moreover, beyond a certain point, hotter temperatures directly reduce grain yields. Current estimates suggest that the yield of the main grain crops drops 10 per cent, on average, for every 1C that the mean temperature exceeds the optimum for that crop during the growing season. Which may be why the average corn yield in the US reached a record 8.4 tonnes a hectare in 1994, and has since fallen significantly.
Finally, biofuels. The idea is elegant: the carbon dioxide absorbed when the crops are grown exactly equals the carbon dioxide released when the fuel refined from those crops is burned, so the whole process is carbon-neutral. And it would be fine if the land used to grow this biomass was land that had no alternative use, but that is rarely the case.
In Southeast Asia, the main source of biofuels is oil palms, which are mostly grown on cleared rainforest. In the US, a "corn rush" has been unleashed by government subsidies for ethanol, and so many ethanol plants are planned or already in existence in Iowa that they could absorb the state's entire crop of corn (maize, mealies). The amount of ethanol needed to fill a big SUV just once uses enough grain to feed one person for a year.
There is a hidden buffer in the system, in that some of the grain now fed to animals could be diverted to feed people directly in an emergency. On the other hand, the downward trend in grain production will only accelerate if it is directly related to global warming.
It's only in the past couple of centuries that a growing number of countries have been able to stop worrying about whether there will be enough food at the end of the harvest to make it through to next year. The Golden Age may not last much longer."
he didnt consider US ethanol production either....
regards
...with all due respect to
...with all due respect to "emotions don't alter reality" above, there is an unavoidable bias in journalism towards telling a story in a dramatic/doom laden way. So if we take the assertion that (1) easy crop yield gains have gone and (2) grain is being diverted to beef and fuel, then you could argue that people will go hungry, which is a dramatic conclusion. Another outcome could be that the price of beef will rise, and price conscious consumers will get their protein elsewhere. So you could take the same assertions and write a happy piece along the lines of, "End of the green revolution will usher in a new age of vegetanarians". As the price of beef goes up, and a new generation that is also adverse to factory farming grows into the food-choice age group, beef farmers are finding it increasinly difficult to sell their expensive and wasteful product to consumers who see it the way their parents saw large cars. Meh. Boring story, that won't print. Let's stick with the starvation one.
Dramatic and actual, US corn
Dramatic and actual, US corn is sold to mexico as its part of their staple diet. In the last few years yes poor mexicans have been going hungry...that is actually documented.
Price of US beef and chicken, yes the US chicken lobby for one is complaining about the costs...and that doesnt allow for this event "natural" weather yet.
Much meat is sold to McDonalds as basic priced commodities....so the poor wont be eating much cheaper..
eg
http://www.efeedlink.com/contents/08-02-2012/21fb5269-5df9-43ea-940d-e31...
or,
http://www.wattagnet.com/26158.html
"US poultry industry hit hard by corn prices
Small farmers, large companies alike struggling to remain profitable"
So yes, lets watch them go bankrupt and ppl end up vegitarians, no biggee...
McD's prices rising....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870355580457610177152713109...
How about instead of making assertions based on what you think, you make them based on fact(s).
NB "End of the green revolution will usher in a new age of vegetanarians", yes and no, it will be far more dramatic it will be the "the starvation one".
You get to sit and watch....hopefully NZ will be fine.
regards
Where do consumers get their
Where do consumers get their alternative protein? Grains, beans, fish, dairy & poultry which are all impacted by the same price/supply/climate issues already in play.
McDonalds, and if they run
McDonalds, and if they run out then Burger King.
KFC doubledown!!!!.....with
KFC doubledown!!!!.....with uh....carrots instead....I can so see that....not.
regards
Gummy wants the Georgie Pie
Gummy wants the Georgie Pie back ! .......
The West has mountains of
The West has mountains of extra supply, and in many places pays people not to collapse the market by over production. Introduction of quota's and subsidies for not producting at maximum gain. Even Fonterra spends much money trying to work out what to do with it's flush peak.
Quite often it the price, labour costs, and energy for fuel and manufacture of machines. (Not so much material cost, as recycling can be done, but it is prohibitively expensive at the moment). The labour cost, per prodution unit; in order to get the product to the end consumer is constantly growing - often by intervention and State overheads. However consumer choice is also a tough player - people feel the need to go for cheaper products which makes it impossible for quality providers to compete.
The size of the costs, ripple through the system. So a rise in grain price (due to drought), will result in US feedlot cows getting turned into ground beef, rising ground beef supply (drops price, as the demand hasn't caught up) and dropping the milk supply (rising the milk products price, as supply is thinner and people compete at auction.) The rise or fall, means more of less animals will be kept as they can pay for the higher grain price. However those prices get passed on to the distributors and retailers, so the customers are facing lower beef or higher dairy local prices. A rising price allows imports from futher away to compete, pushing down the local prices (less animals, less demand for remaining grain). A falling price means lower returns to the grower so not worth keeping large number of animals, reducing price on meat, reducing demand on grain.
But the annoying part is that's all price sensitive. (artifical response, not planned usage).
Because it's all rather high risk (exposure to rapid change), the market is very violatile and most people can't afford to hedge against that risk with massive silo's of grain just in case. So we end up in the situation where we have plenty of ways of making huge amounts of food, but no-one can afford to do so. (And then there's always those who hope to take the path less travelled, and make huge stockpiles, then try to push the market to recover their costs. sometimes they win, sometimes they GFC.)
"The miracle... green
"The miracle... green revolution'
how about 'hard science' instead of 'miracle.'
Brazil Deep Water Oil Find
Brazil Deep Water Oil Find ...
July 12th ..
Brazilian state-controlled oil giant Petrobras said it discovered a new deep-water crude deposit in the Espirito Santo basin.
In a regulatory filing Wednesday, Petrobras said the find was made at a water depth of 1,208 meters (3,960 feet) during drilling of the Grana Padano well, located 58 kilometers (36 miles) off the coast of Vitoria, capital of the southeastern state of Espirito Santo.
The deposit is located above the so-called pre-salt layer, a roughly 160,000 sq.-kilometer (62,000 sq.-mile) deep-water area off Brazil's coast that is estimated to hold tens of billions of barrels of crude.
The well is being drilled by a consortium in which Petrobras has a 70 percent stake and private firm IBV Brasil has the remaining 30 percent interest.
"The consortium will continue exploring the block and intends to submit a proposed Assessment Plan to the National Petroleum Agency (ANP) with the aim of delimiting the accumulation discovered and estimating reservoir volumes and productivity," the filing said.
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/12/brazil-petrobras-makes-new-deep-water-oil-find/#ixzz24EFRTh2X
JB : You must be new around
JB : You must be new around here ...... any second now , and the brushbeaters-of-doom are gonna arrive , and rain all over your parade .....
....... this is the gloomsterisation zone .......
As much as I love the good news ( and a handful of other bloggers do too ) , Bernard and the gang will be mighty ticked off with you ...... tisk , tisk !
10's of billions of barrels,
10's of billions of barrels, each another 3 months supply or offset the decline of current production. I don't see it as gloom, just very interesting
Last figure I saw for Brazil
Last figure I saw for Brazil offshore what 13 billion. The salt and the pressures will be interesting tech issues, but no projected supply-rate is a game-changer.
As you say, not gloom (that's just for those who want a particular outcome) but interesting.
9. and really its not even
9. and really its not even started yet.
regards
#7. Since Wade v Roe
#7. Since Wade v Roe America has murdered 55,000,000 innocents.
Ergphobia
Have you considered that
Have you considered that every time a bit of knooky is missed on the right date the result is the same? no birth....
Funny thing but Libertarians would say its no ones business but the woman's....interesting clash.....
regards
Facebook Director Stock
Facebook Director Stock Sales Top $1 Billion As Lock-Up Ends
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-20/facebook-director-thiel-sold-20...
From said link: "Facebook
From said link:
"Facebook last week unlocked 271.1 million shares, the first of five insider-sale restrictions scheduled during the company’s first year as a public company. Another 1.44 billion shares will be freed up through November. "
November may well be interesting for The Facebook.
Niall Ferguson on Obama's
Niall Ferguson on Obama's Record, Romney-Ryan
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/niall-ferguson-on-obama-s-record-romney-r...
PK's comments on Neill F's
PK's comments on Neill F's words which look like outright lies if not misleads...
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/kinds-of-wrong/
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/unethical-commentary-newswee...
Not that it matters much, the rednecks will vote anti-obama no matter if it meant a Martian in the Whitehouse.
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Cramers Rant on
Cramers Rant on facebook
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48744966
Basic changes need for
Basic changes need for productive growth
The New Zealand Manufacturers and Exporters Association (NZMEA) welcome the target of doubling private research and development levels but warn that tinkering around the edges will not help it happen. The Government announced the target this morning as part of its Business Growth Agenda.
NZMEA Chief Executive John Walley says, “While our fiscal and monetary policy settings incentivise unproductive investment in assets over investment in productive activity such as research and development, not much is going to change. These policy settings have been locked into our economy for more than twenty years. This desperately needs to change.”
“The research and development tax credit was introduced in 2007 and scrapped in 2008 which dealt a blow to added value exporters and we need to see that, or something similar, restored. It is good to see some investment in the Advanced Technology Institutes, but it is worth noting that better balance and incentives to invest are most efficiently delivered through the tax system.”
“There is also a wider issue around the allocation of capital in New Zealand. Debt on property is continuing to outstrip investment in the productive sector.”
“The Economist has released its house-price indicators showing that New Zealand has bucked the global trend of declining house prices by retooling our housing bubble. A lack of capital gains or land tax is at the heart of this problem. House prices 66 percent overvalued compared to rents demonstrate that it is only tax free capital gains that keep property investors in the market.”
“A culture change is needed – no country has ever got richer by renting each other houses or borrowing offshore to inflate property bubbles. The Government needs to support its target with changes to fiscal and monetary policy so that we see a genuine shift away from land and buildings towards an economy based on high value exports.”
http://www.realeconomy.co.nz/300-basic_changes_needed_for_produ.aspx
Poor old NACT they just don't get it. Or do they...., maybe a few in NZ have simply ,".. got richer by renting each other houses or borrowing offshore to inflate property bubbles."
"Never was so much owed by so many to so few."
Who are our few?
Cheers, Les.
www.changenz.co.nz
Les Rudd - interesting
Les Rudd - interesting article and links.
I fully agree that "debt on property is outstripping investment in the productive sector". If a CGT was to be considered there are two very important opposing sides in the event a CGT is implemented, it would work for the Govt when prices increase as they would get revenue form the increase.
However the opposite occurs when house prices decrease and Govt (via the IRD) would have to refund taxes on the loss. In countries with CGT's this has been an issue.
While many see the property market as a way to get a free capital gain of which one can either leverage off the increase in value and purchase more housing stock, there have been tax advantages with this business model, the same model can work in reverse in a declining market. In a declining property market wouldn't tax credits or refunds be available.
While property investment is obviously the target of those advocating a CGT, would it not affect all business that holds property as part of that business activity?
All business has some form of property/land involved in the activity and has benefited by the increase in valuations. Most business has leveraged off this valuation increase somewhere down the line regardless of how they are structured. The only business activity that does not get any leverage is the business who does not own any property asset and has a lease or similar agreement with a landlord for the supply of property. Many of these small operators end up leveraging off the family home to obtain start-up capital.
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In regards to the unproductive investment in assets regarding property, Supply and demand issues are actually the main driver of this market. I am quite surprised that the NZMEA who clearly understand supply and demand have not mentioned this in the above. If the NZMEA wants investment dollars into productive activity then it would appear to be in the interests of the NZMEA to propose alternatives to the current land shortages in Councils district plans. Perhaps the NZMEA has already done this but it needs to keep being active until alternatives are implemented which assists in getting the desired cultural-change from investing in housing to investing in the productive sector.
Unfortunately for any business involved in the product export industry, you are competing in one of the most hostile complex environments that are affected by internal and external factors beyond the business's control.
I did read an interesting article recently in regards to those offshore Companies who are repatriating funds from NZ earnings and the effect of this on the NZD. I can see why Bill E is wanting Kiwis to invest offshore - a bit of counter balancing in the equation.
RBA badly misreads bubble
RBA badly misreads bubble dynamics | | MacroBusiness
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2012/08/rbas-ellis-badly-misreads-bubble-dynamics/ - comment-171015
Hugh Pavletich says:
August 22, 2012 at 4:12 pm
It seems clear to me the Reserve Bank of Australia is terrified of the Australian housing bubble bursting – because the consequences are just as clear to them, as they are to the majority of MB readers.
Leith’s response to Ms Ellis of the RBA is outstanding. A classic.
Indeed I would go so far as to say Leith is a global leader in urban economics, with the rare ability to articulate these issues with exceptional clarity.
Anything above 3 times household earnings or 1.5 times Gross Domestic / State / Metro Product is bubble territory, as I explained in the SMH early last year with REPORT: HOUSING AFFORDABILITY OUT OF SYNC WITH INCOMES –
http://news.domain.com.au/domain/home-investor-centre/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m.html
The Annual Demographia Surveys ( 8 to date) are not the most popular documents at the RBA !
Hugh Pavletich
Co author – Annual Demographia Survey
http://www.demographia.com
http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
Good article Hugh - thanks
Good article Hugh - thanks again. Everyone blames property investors which has detracted from the real issues of supply and demand and of course the politics that is entrenched in our society.
My old French G Grandfather who lived in Kurow knew a bit about supply, demand and politics. I think he used the bad-child, yell and bellow and you get what you want trick but I know he wouldn't have tolerated the rubbish that goes on nowadays. The PC mumbo-jumbo political and bureaucratic brigagde need to be dismissed.
Why cannot New Zealand
Why cannot New Zealand replicate what Norway has done with its oil resources? We may be floating on oil but we end up exporting all our sweet crude offshore and the profits go there as well (with a very minor amount to government royalties and some to the richest family in NZ). What did Norway do right and how can we do the same?
Too late really. Required
Too late really. Required payment in wealth, not debt. (or if paid in debt, the parcel had to be on-passed before it proved worthless.
That era has passed.
And 'floating on oil' ?????? You a tout? Let's stick with reality.
NZ doesnt have anywhere near
NZ doesnt have anywhere near what Norway has
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We export our sweet as its
We export our sweet as its owned by a private company(s) and import sour as our plant is designed for sour which is also cheaper.
Its extremely unlikey that there is much oil in or around NZ....so really not worth a huge effect in worrying over.
If we did have a decent number of barrels then we should leave it in the ground for our grand children, they are going to be desperate for energy.
regards
OMG_WTF - different political
OMG_WTF - different political structure. Lots of referendums.
New Zealand should be
New Zealand should be taking urgent strides towards Energy Independence.
A major step to take in this direction is to install 100% renewable electricity NOW. There is no need to wait for technological breakthroughs in renewables and alternatives, we just need to do it now!
We don't want to depend on Aussie for our gas supply as well!
One of the primary objectives should be to to resist the construction of a LNG (Liquid Natural Gas) import terminal as a contingency for when our gas supplies in Taranaki run down (we have maybe 10 years of gas reserves at the current rate of consumption because we are burning this valuable resource to make electricity, an inherently wasteful thermal process). Construction of a LNG terminal is the current plan of the gas and electrical industry – this will tie us down to a volatile international LNG market for many years and make us dependent on fossil fuels for our electricity. We already depend heavily on imported Crude Oil for our transportation – It is probable that any LNG supply contract signed by “New Zealand” companies would be indexed in some way to the Crude Oil price – we must not let ourselves get into this situation.
http://freenrg4nz.wordpress.com/
new needs to be self
new needs to be self sufficient in more than energy.................what about banking the banks have just ripped off $8 billion in profits out of new zealanders economy for 2012/13 years
aussie banks cost our economy
aussie banks cost our economy $8 billion a year that is what they are taking out of our economy to the australain economy..................................:(
New zealanders have been
New zealanders have been sucked big time, time to wake up and become self sufficient in every area........................
We have it all in new zealand
We have it all in new zealand the land of plenty why we need these offshore leaches?
We have food, water air all the material we need
we used to produce most things here why not again creating work here in nz and profits for new zealanders.
Lets get rid of the offshore BS
you do realise that nz was
you do realise that nz was rich before because it the UK would buy it all up. there was less competition from other countries ie china and other eu countries.
I went to buy my fish the
I went to buy my fish the other day now it comes from vietnam not good enough:(
Yes, I walked away I wont buy
Yes, I walked away I wont buy any food and especially fish from china/vietnam/Thailand. If the chinese dont from preference then that should tell us heaps.
Also what's here in NZ fish (flounder) is so small now its worthless...I have not bought NZ sea fish in 3 months except some farmed salmon. I may have to take up trout fishing......anyone got a hand grenade?
;]
regards
I went to buy a tea cup the
I went to buy a tea cup the other day to have a cuppa it was made in china not good enough..:(
China makes very poor china :
China makes very poor china : Buy Temuka china from Temuka , instead ; it is closer to New Zealand than China . And it is very good china .
...... do you drink Ceylon tea , or China ?
I went to buy a snack bar it
I went to buy a snack bar it was made in america....not good enought..
why did buy a piece of junk
why did buy a piece of junk food. why not cook something yourself
he culd have brought real
he culd have brought real junk food. at least that would be made in NZ
I went to buy my oranges they
I went to buy my oranges they where made in australia......:(
I went to buy oranges and I
I went to buy oranges and I bought nz ones. not very hard to do.
yep, though I buy OZ produce
yep, though I buy OZ produce if there isnt any NZ.
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yep, though I buy OZ produce
yep, though I buy OZ produce if there isnt any NZ.
regards
yep, though I buy OZ produce
yep, though I buy OZ produce if there isnt any NZ.
regards
I went to buy my cooking oil
I went to buy my cooking oil is was made in italy not good enough :(
I went to buy some furniture
I went to buy some furniture it was made in thailand
make it yourself
make it yourself
I am, but the tools are made
I am, but the tools are made in china and the wood as well....
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i went to build my house most
i went to build my house most of the products where made in china, now after 5 years they are all falling to pieces
I went to buy my new car it
I went to buy my new car it was made in france not good enough
Walk ! ....... oh , it's a
Walk ! ....... oh , it's a French made car ...... you'll be walking soon enough , then ....
went to fill my car with
went to fill my car with petrol it was made in saudi araba
Until now , I didn't know
Until now , I didn't know that the Saudis made cars ...... we live and learn ....
You not remember the saudi
You not remember the saudi quattro?
let get made in nz going
let get made in nz going again to create jobs and profits.......................!
..... we can't get NZ going
..... we can't get NZ going again ....... I think the starter motor has crapped itself ......
Me thinks Gummy might be a
Me thinks Gummy might be a good mechanic. But clearly you've given up. Too bad your heart's here though.:)
Gummy given up ? .......
Gummy given up ? ....... fiddlesticks ! ..... having a sabbatical , .. meeting new folk , sampling the world's cuisine , doing some conservation work , and upskilling at the local TAFE ....
....... sometimes the brain-drain works in reverse , and Kiwis come home ........with greater world knowledge and qualifications .....
The Gummster will return ..... eventually ......when Hugh Pavletich becomes PM !
Looks like GBH has gone to
Looks like GBH has gone to the gloomterism side, finally.
Never gonna happen , Anndrew
Never gonna happen , Anndrew R .... too many wonderful people in the world , superb cuisines , and amazing breakthroughs in science , communications & medicine .....
....... the Gummster is positively fizzing with excitement & anticipation ........
But before all that , let's clobber the Wobblies on Eden Park : Go home Dingo Deans ..... haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !
let bring the jobs home to
let bring the jobs home to nz...........................
of course if someone will pay
of course if someone will pay for the job here ie. customers,
Bring home our troops that
Bring home our troops that costing us a fortune for zero return......?
.... no , not a zero return ,
.... no , not a zero return , .... our biscuit manufacturers stand to make a fortune ; since our troops have discovered how to grill an Afghan .....
There is no shortages of oil
There is no shortages of oil peak oil is BS.
What nz should be doing is becoming self sufficient then we would not need to think about such BS.
self sufficient new zealand green and clean................................
Don''t panic NZ Heads To
Don''t panic NZ Heads To Finance...
Your taxes and bureaucracy were 100% made in New Zealand.
(and you say your tea was made in china? no pun intended?)
Love it Mist42nz - just wish
Love it Mist42nz - just wish I could have hit that vote up button several times.
Now there's a sales opportunity exporting our taxes and bureaucrats. Certainly no need to worry about the exchange rate.
Now there's an export
Now there's an export commodity we could all get behind. I wonder how much we'd have to pay.
I am ready to lead NEW
I am ready to lead NEW ZEALAND FOR NWE ZEALANDERS.....................................! :)
... . you may as well ... ..
... . you may as well ... .. no one else seems to want the job ....
i WENT TO PAY MY POWER BILL
i WENT TO PAY MY POWER BILL IT'S NOW OWNED BY SOME WALL ST OUTFIT IN AMERICA
Hi, This is the Enron NZ
Hi,
This is the Enron NZ (2012) how may we help you?
regards
mY FRIEND GOT JAILED THE
mY FRIEND GOT JAILED THE OTHER DAY, I FOUND OUT THE PRISON IS RUN BY SOME OFFSHORE AUSTRALIAN COMPANY FOR HUGE PROFITS......not good enough.................
I went to put my undies on
I went to put my undies on this morning i found they where made in china...................bring jobs of making undies back to nz make nz rich.....................................
I went to have a cuppa this
I went to have a cuppa this morning and found my tea bags are made in india..........what happen to bell tea made in dunedin......................not got enought.....
I was overseas and saw that
I was overseas and saw that meat was from nz. not good enough. it should have been local.
Bell Tea was made in Dunedin
Bell Tea was made in Dunedin .... but I have a niggly-naggly feeling that it wasn't grown there ...... the tea plantations had to make way for the new sports stadium ....
I stayed in an out of the way
I stayed in an out of the way motel the other day. The place was so old the light bulbs were still made in New Zealand.
NZ Heads to Fin... will be
NZ Heads to Fin... will be happy if you report that the cockroaches were also " made in NZ . "
I filled my glass full of
I filled my glass full of water this morning surrounded with beautiful fresh air, is that all what is left in nz........................................
I found the water was made in nz...........................
well why dont you make
well why dont you make something yourself and sell it?
I'm sure he could make
I'm sure he could make water.....but he'd be selling into a very small niche market.
Glad you enjoyed it , 'cos
Glad you enjoyed it , 'cos I'm the guy who sticks the little " Made in NZ " labels on your tap water ....
..... you gotta be fairly nippy , to stick a label onto running water .....
We get the labels made up in Thailand ...
500,000.00 thousand kiwis
500,000.00 thousand kiwis living offshore, they where made in nz..................................8% of the population..........................................!
i like the decimal places.
i like the decimal places.
We export new zealand made
We export new zealand made people to the world, then we import asians, islanders arabs to replace them welcome to chinanz.......chinz..........................not good enough.......................
i said to lock the gates!
i said to lock the gates! both ways!!!
My plan as out lined on this
My plan as out lined on this site is how i will create an evolution in nz and bring this land the prosperity that it always has had before the offshore mob of banksters and cons took over this country and enslaved new zealander .
Out they go within 48 hours of my election...................................
It takes a brave person to lead, and that is what we need we need to lead the people of new zealand out of this swap of sorrow that this offshore mob has driven new zealanders into.............................
new zealand free of debt disease............................................
we will beat North Korea in
we will beat North Korea in its isolation. down with North Korea. Nz only for Nz!
Faith + Action =
Faith + Action = Success................... $uce$$
At the moment there is no action.....
The present polices are the same old same old making nz go backwards into debt enslavement.................................................
no no - Faith and Work Units
no no - Faith and Work Units are the future. the present polices are mind control. no one has any choice. down with FEEdom/ more choice!!!!
We will beat the world with
We will beat the world with my ideas and action new will be no one again under my visionary leadership....................................
you leader. master leader!
you leader. master leader!
you not make trouble for our
you not make trouble for our master leader .... you not become master baiter ....
We don't need to be part of
We don't need to be part of the world.......The world needs to be apart of new zealand.......................
yes yes -lets be the first
yes yes -lets be the first country to leave earth!
At the present time we talk +
At the present time we talk + talk + talk, + glosssy reports,+ lot of fee's paid out and that = zero ......................not good enough............................
The present system breeds
The present system breeds laziness, non production, poverty of the mind, speculation, non creation of ideas, lots of talk and no action and banks riding on the pigs back leading nz into the big mess it's in
Lets get nz working and producing again..................and .................working again for new zealanders
too funny. and complainers
too funny. and complainers like yourself.
Low growth, self sufficency =
Low growth, self sufficency = Happiness
Why we need all this growth, the only growth i see in in bank profits.......
cant wait to build my own
cant wait to build my own computer - bit of no 8 wire should do the trick
and a room full of trans
and a room full of trans sisters.
Think Bletchley Park.
Growth + Bank Profits =
Growth + Bank Profits = happiness for bank shareholder and unhappiness for new zealanders who create those profits from their hard work...................................
Growth + Bank Profits =
Growth + Bank Profits = happiness for Kiwi investors who purchased common stock of Aussie banks ...............................
Bank CEO earning $136,000.00
Bank CEO earning $136,000.00 a day......while new zealander average daily pay is $109.00 per day...............................not good enough i will change that........................!
$ 109 pay per day for a New
$ 109 pay per day for a New Zealander ...... that guy must be getting lots of overtime , lucky sod ...
Enslavement does not =
Enslavement does not = Happiness............................new zealanders are enslaved in their own land............................not good enough i will change that.................................
Happiness = Freedom Fee_dom =
Happiness = Freedom
Fee_dom = Unhappiness
I will bring back fairness for new zealanders
Good luck with that ......
Good luck with that ...... we'll still be here , when you've succeeded in your mission ........
....... goodbye , then .........
Money is a form of
Money is a form of enslavement................
I think there is more to life than chasing money, buying stocks, chasing never ending growth...
We are here to learn, experience and enjoy mother earth...
We are not here to own things that is not a himan quest..................
la la tra lal la la. though
la la tra lal la la. though for sume it certain is a hymen quest
Meaning you're in the pro
Meaning you're in the pro creation camp?
oh I'm jsut refutting his
oh I'm jsut refutting his 'not a himan quest' I thought he made a spelling mistake.
New zealand needs to lead the
New zealand needs to lead the world........not follow the world......i will help new zealanders to achieve that...........................
Leadership is what new zealand needs, we have enough sheep!
NZ does lead the world - its
NZ does lead the world - its the 1st major country that gets the sun each day!
Human quest......is to
Human quest......is to experience.....learn.....enjoy.........