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Federated Farmers has attacked the main trading banks, saying it was "extremely disappointing" the banks were building profit margins at the expense of New Zealand's productive sector. Federated Farmers made the comments as it released results of a survey of farmers showing overdraft rates have fallen just 78 basis points to 10.4% since the Reserve Bank cut the official cash rate by 150 basis points to 5%. "Federated Farmers is extremely disappointed in the trading banks that the average overdraft rate for farm businesses is 10.40 percent, or over twice the current OCR. That's a massive margin banks have and continue to build at the expense of the productive export sector," said Philip York, the Federation's economics and commerce spokesperson. "We think Dr Bollard was mindful banks were dragging the economic chain when he warned financial institutions on 4 December to "˜do their bit', by passing on OCR savings to their customers. Banks seem to have interpreted this as meaning their retail, rather than business customers," York said. "The banks are literally farming the farmers to keep their profits high. They know farming in particular is relatively low risk yet have built up fat margins nonetheless. With the last cut in the OCR, bank margins have grown by 72 basis points alone and this is unacceptable," he said.

"By cutting overdraft interest rates by only around half that cut from the OCR last December, there appears to be a degree of profiteering. The banks are price gouging farmers who generate most of New Zealand's export wealth. This is money being sucked out of the provincial economy." York said the banks' refusal to pass on the OCR must be of great concern to the Reserve Bank and the new National-led Government. "Federated Farmers feels a rocket needs to be put under the banks to get these critical business overdraft rates down," he said. New Zealand's biggest rural bank, the National Bank, responding by saying it sought to help its farmer customers by cutting costs where possible and that the market was competitive. "However the reality is that we are operating against a backdrop of an unprecedented global credit crisis," National Bank said in a statement. "In setting rates banks have to take more than just the OCR into account. The OCR is certainly one indicator, but it's not a "one-for-one" measure. An important factor is the cost to the bank of accessing funding from the wholesale market. These costs have risen dramatically in the last 12 months," National Bank said. "Equally, when we contemplate accessing offshore markets using the NZ wholesale guarantee we will be paying an additional fee of 1.4% (or 140 basis points). As for all our commercial lending, rural lending is evaluated on a case-by-case basis," National banks said. "Our overall pricing also reflects our assessment of risk and the security being offered. We are operating in a challenging economic climate and we're working hard to support our rural customers while managing our business in a prudent, sustainable way to suit the current - and changing - market conditions." What I think Federated Farmers are right to point out that farm overdraft rates have not fallen as fast as the Official Cash Rate and that mortgage rates appear to have received more of the rate cuts than business and farm overdraft rates. But farmers are not right to accuse the banks of profiteering. Farmers should be grateful they have received more of the OCR cut than other businesses and have still been able to borrow an extra NZ$4.6 billion more from the banks in the last six months, double the new lending into households. Overseas, business lending has slumped. However, it is true that bank profit margins on lending have risen sharply. Reserve Bank statistics (RBNZ table C10) show that the combined spread or profit margin for the New Zealand banks has risen from a record low of 1.63% in January last year to a three year high of 2.17% in November. This takes the difference between what it costs the banks for their money (funding costs) and what they receive in interest payments from their customers (claims receipts). This figure takes into account the total cost of funding, including cost of retail deposits, local wholesale deposits and foreign wholesale deposits versus the total receipts in interest payments.  Federated Farmers is also right to point out that banks have given more of the 'benefits' of the cut in the OCR to home owners in the form of lower fixed mortgage rates and lower overdraft rates. Reserve Bank figures show (RBNZ table B3) that since July the variable mortgage rate (a weighted average compiled from the banks) has fallen from 10.90% to 8.05% as at the end of December. That implies the banks have passed on 285 basis points of the 325 basis ponts of cuts in the Official Cash Rate since July. Our data shows that the average 1 year fixed mortgage rate (which should be less connected to the OCR than the variable rate) has fallen 299 basis points from a high of 9.86% in April to 6.87% at the end of December. Kiwibank has just announced a 5.99% 1 year rate. Meanwhile the weighted average base lending rate charged by the banks to businesses has fallen just 65 basis points to 13.25%. Federated Farmers says its survey of 385 members found their average overdraft rate dropped by 78 basis points to 10.40% between the 150 basis point cut in the OCR on December 4 and the survey period from January 5 to January 12. There was no Federated Farmers survey in July so we can't tell the total size of cuts. So Federated Farmers is right. Home owners have gotten almost all the OCR cut. Farmers and businesses have received about half to a fifth of the OCR cut. Credit card holders have gotten nothing. Reserve Bank Statistics show the average credit card interest rate is unchanged at 20.2% since May.  But is the Federated Farmers right to say the banks are profiteering? The banks are making a judgment about the relative risks and returns. They are essentially saying they think home mortgages are now much safer than business loans, farm loans and credit card loans. That may or may not be true. I think risks of dairy farm default in particular have risen sharply in recent months as the expected dairy payout has collapsed and the outlook for exports deteriorates. Credit card loans are riskier. I'm not so sure business loans are that much riskier given corporate balance sheets are stronger than farm or household balance sheets, although business earnings are much more volatile than salaries and profits are being squeezed hard.  There is an argument that the last thing people will not pay is their mortgage and the bank effectively has a tithe over a borrower's salary when they have a mortgage, regardless of the value of the asset, whereas a mortgage over a farm is wholly dependent on a much more variable farm income. The other question worth asking is whether banks increasing their profits is a bad thing. I'd like my banks to well capitalised and strong rather than weak and vulnerable. Compared to the UK and the US right now, our banks are a model of stability and generosity. Farmers should not forget that banks lent an extra NZ$4.161 billion or 10% to farmers between May and November, while banks lent an extra NZ$2.027 billion or 1.2% to households in the form of mortgages over those same 6 months, according to Reserve Bank figures (Table C5). Lending to business has also increased sharply since May, rising NZ$5.771 billion or 7.8%. Lending to businesses and farmers has not dried up to the same extent it has either overseas or to the household sector. Credit card lending has also grown slower than for farming and businesses. It has risen just NZ$179 million or 3.5% to NZ$5.291 billion by November.  Farmers should be a little more circumspect before accusing banks of profiteering. The credit risk of farming has risen and the banks have supported farmers heavily over the last 6 months with a massive increase in lending. Farmers are also taking much less of the pain than other businesses, who have seen just 20% of the OCR cut passed on to them. Farmers should also put their situation in the context of what's happening internationally, where banks are actually refusing to roll over loans and actually reducing their lending and leverage to businesses.  As Fred Dagg might have said: "They don't know how lucky they are mate...they don't know how lucky they are."

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Bernard The thing is that

Bernard

The thing is that unlike any other business 'Banks' feel they have an inalienable right to a profit and there is some basis for this, we would not consider our money 'safe' in the the bank if it was at risk, ie the bank could make a loss and lose 'our' money.

A deposit guarantee scheme in some respects skews this obligation, the bank can now make a loss because our money is safe guaranteed by...us.

The point of this is that I know the National Bank 'lost' money on its retail deposits last month (first time in living memory), I assume this is because the interest rates are dropping so fast they are still paying historic high rates, so I understand why Bankers with this 'we must profit' meme don't cut a captive market, business overdrafts/credit cards any slack, but then any more govt intervention could punish/disadvantage any other group with its unintended consequences couldn't it.

Neven

"They know farming in particular

"They know farming in particular is relatively low risk yet have built up fat margins nonetheless."

What a load of crap, theres that word "relatively" again. The Feds and their farmers have no credibility making statements like this, they are just trying to pass the buck, by blaming banks for the farmers lack of profitability. Farmers lack of profitability was driven by their greed for capital gain.

The problem is that farms prices need to fall 70-80% to be able to operate profitably. Bank have lent 50% of asset value so they now also have considerable exposure to a falling market, which is why, for now, it is easier to keep throwing out the cash, rather than bite the bullet.

I wrote this on another

I wrote this on another thread this morning

What is amazing is that we have not seen a large drop in land values. Its incredible to be in the position where many farms are making significant losses and yet the banks chose to ignore it. This is the first time I have experienced this situation. In my past if you missed a payment you got attention if you missed lots and there didnt look like much chance of returning to profit then you where out. Today many people are sitting on non performing assets making large losses and the banks are just sitting watching, dishing out more capital. There are walking dead amongst us how long will we allow the banks to go on borrowing offshore to prop up unprofitable business at the taxpayers and countries expense. The high cost of assets is not good for our country they should have fallen significantly by now but banks have lent against unrealistic values and wont admit it and take their medicine. The result is new investment sitting on the sidelines and hopelessly indebted businesses continuing to run at a loss. This needs to stop for the good of NZ. Our banks are no longer symbiotic but parasitic.

Farmers are not guilt free there willingness to increase borrowing by %27 compounding for 10 years has got them here. Now we need a clean out but is it going to happen or will farmers be left in peonage?
Interest is going out that should be spent in our local communities, as long as this debt continues to exist, we will see our rural towns and communities suffer as the debt payments consume all income.

Steve, banks know that bullet

Steve, banks know that bullet contains cynanide, so they will do anything to avoid biting it. If farmers or the Feds can work that out they may be able to see things more clearly.

this is what our banks

Well this should give the

Well this should give the banks food for thought before they lend anymore money to dairy farmers:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/4316726/EU-butter-mo...

Frank Brenmuhl, vice-president of New

Frank Brenmuhl, vice-president of New Zealand's Federated Farmers, said the measures undermined the basis of current World Trade Organisation talks which are regarded as essential to economic recovery.
"We thought we had it sorted, or at least in terms of the ideals behind it but at the first whiff of change they've brought them right back again," he said.

Well the taxpayer spent a lot of money on trade ambassadors, business class travel and 5 star hotels for what? If they got performance pay they would have a net loss.

Im asking the same old question, with the Uk, broke what is in it for the EU to continue to allow NZ privileged access to their markets for no gain to them? Its illogical and the French have noticed they are about to poke us in the eye with a shovel!
We should have been preparing for this day for the last decade.

Well perhaps predictably as global

Well perhaps predictably as global trade collapses, simmering tensions and protectionism come to the fore - the EU move on dairy is just one aspect. Another is the US/China relationship - will Obama turn out to be a protectionist? this labelling of China as a 'currency manipulator' is pretty quick off the mark if you ask me:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5EaHQZG_KJA&refer=home

The EU bringing in dairy

The EU bringing in dairy price supports is just the thin end of the wedge - protectionism/trade disputes go with the territory during Depressions. Note Obama has acted with unseemingly haste to label China as a 'currency manipulator' (or rather his apointee has) - the Chinese will be less than impressed. Will Obama be a closet protectionist? Why wouldn't he be is perhaps a better question.

Speaking of China Nouriel Roubini (rgemonitor.com) has just opined on what those latest 'growth figures' from China really translate as - and it ain't good:

"The Chinese came out today with their 6.8% estimate of Q4 2008 growth. China publishes its quarterly GDP figure on a year over year basis, differently from the U.S. and most other countries that publish their GDP growth figure on a quarter on quarter annualized seasonally adjusted (SAAR) basis.

When growth is slowing down sharply the Chinese way to measure GDP is highly misleading as quarter on quarter growth may be negative while the year over year figure is positive and high because of the momentum of the previous quarters' positive growth.

Indeed if one were to convert the 6.8% y-o-y figure in the more standard quarter over quarter annualized figure Chinese growth in Q4 would be close to zero if not negative.

Other data confirm that China was in a borderline recession in Q4 and that it may be in an outright recession in Q1: production of electricity plunged 7.9% in y-o-y basis; the Chinese PMI has been below 50 and close to 40 for five months now.

And with manufacturing being about 40% of GDP , manufacturing is certainly in a sharp recession (negative growth) and the overall economy may be close to a recession

So the 6.8% growth was actually a 0% growth "“ or possibly negative growth "“ in Q4; and the Q1 figures look even worse. So China is in a recession regardless of what the highly massaged official numbers claim".

Wasn't China the last great hope for growth?

Bernard, Speaking of profiteering, I

Bernard,

Speaking of profiteering, I would really like to hear more about early repayment fees as mortgage rates drop. I've been looking at breaking a $210k mortgage with Westpac on a rental property that matures in 03/2011. The current rate is 7.9% and if I refixed to the same term, it would be 6.85%. The difference in interest is roughly $7300 but Westpac are asking for a break fee if $16,008. As interbank lending rates drop and bank margins are higher than ever, where is the justice in this!?

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Of course the banks are

Of course the banks are profiteering. The banks profiteer and screw everybody.Anyone who is interested in seeing how the worldwide, fraudulent, fractional reserve banking scam works need only do a Google search on 1) Money As Debt, 2) Zeitgeist Addendum and 3) The Money Masters. All 3 movies can be watched free of charge on the internet. I would draw readers' attention specifically to 2 parts in the Zeitgeist Addendum movie. You will hear mention of a publication called "Modern Money Mechanics" and a court case, "The Jerome Daly case" which took place in Minnesota back in 1969 which is also referred to as "The Credit River Decision". You can find both items by doing a Google search and it is possible to download and print out "Modern Money Mechanics" In Money As Debt, you will see how banks can create $90,000.00 worth of debt, and charge interest on it, while having only $10,000.00 in reserves. In Modern Money Mechanics, which was, believe it or not, put out by a US Federal Reserve Bank, it describes exactly the process shown in Money As Debt. It really is amazing. Happy reading
Geoff. Waterhouse
P.S. A Kiwi poet wrote this "He who impugns the usurers imperils the state." Now ain't THAT the truth?

Why can't farmers own their

Why can't farmers own their own co-op bank? I think they lost the social spirit years ago and become a self-serving population group like real estate agents. It is not surprising to see farmers pay the price from time to time being at the mercy of the banks. Remember we live in the land of milk but still pay more for our milk compared many other countries.

No easing for farmers in

No easing for farmers in sight. Latest news from major rural lenders national bank. They a setting kpi's and offering insentives to get rural managers to take their clients off the swap rates they had on offer. National bank was offering a lending rate of 100 points over the 90 day bill rate, nice and clear. Now they are putting cockies back onto the "undisclosed margin" and cranking the rate up to 150 points.

Expect to see a federated farmer beating his head against a bank wall near you!

National has to take into

National has to take into account the increased risk

a) asset values are falling
b) incomes are down a mile and the world recession is only starting
c) they have been careless lending to nearly anyone
d) they are having to source funding offshore at a high cost
e) the yield is opening up and the world Govt's need to borrow trillions this year, so depositors will have choices where they put their money,banks look very high risk.
f) shareholders are getting nervous that they may be wiped out, by hidden off book losses
g) they are complete idiots and dont want anyone to find out

The only solution they see is make them pay more the only real solution is destruction of debt.

I think National bank exploits

I think National bank exploits the moral hazard of government guarantee, which is nothing but the insurance policy sold by Titanic ship captain to its passengers. :)

Geoff, You saved me a

Geoff,
You saved me a lot of typing :)

The Banking Illusion. It all works fine until someone lifts all the shells LOL
Steve