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Treasury expecting NZ$300-500 million surplus in 2014/15; Lower than PREFU forecast for NZ$1.45 billion, PM Key says

Treasury expecting NZ$300-500 million surplus in 2014/15; Lower than PREFU forecast for NZ$1.45 billion, PM Key says

Treasury is forecasting a lower initial government surplus in the 2014/15 year than estimated before the election, due to developments in the Eurozone, Prime Minister John Key says.

Meanwhile, if the absolute worst happened, and there was a major shock to the global economy, the government would look at whether retaining that surplus target would actually harm the economy by forcing a sharp contraction in demand, Key said.

Treasury's upcoming Budget Policy Statement to be released on February 16 will forecast an initial surplus of NZ$300-500 million, down from NZ$1.45 billion in the Pre Election Fiscal Update (PREFU).

Outlining the government's key priorities for its second term, Key said the 2014/15 surplus track was still expected.

"Today I can confirm that we are still on track to post a surplus in 2014/15, and the budget policy statement will show a forecast surplus in the range of NZ$300 to NZ$500 million in that year," Key said in a press release circulated to media before a speech to the Waitakere Business Club in Auckland.

"Given the events in Europe, this surplus is understandably smaller than was previously forecast. But we remain on our tight fiscal track," he said.

New Zealand was in a relatively good position to deal with any fall-out from the European crisis in the near term, Key said.

"In both 2012 and 2013, the New Zealand economy is forecast to grow more strongly than the Eurozone, the UK, Japan, the United States and Canada - so we are in relatively good shape. However, it is important that we get back to surplus and make our economy more competitive," Key said.

Global economic outlook deteriorated

The global economic outlook had deteriorated since the end of last year, and the European crisis, in particular, was the biggest potential threat to the world economy and therefore to the New Zealand economy, Key said.

“Leading forecasters like the IMF, World Bank and Consensus Economics are expecting world growth to be weaker over the next couple of years than previously predicted. For the most part, that is because of the ongoing turmoil in the Euro area,” he said.

The most likely outcome was that European countries managed through the crisis with the Euro intact, because it was in their collective interest to do so. But that was by no means guaranteed.

“As recently as yesterday, the IMF warned that if the required actions are not taken, the European crisis could spill over into a global recession,” Key said.

“Even under the more likely scenario, where Europe avoids a full-blown crisis, the Euro countries are expected to go into recession in 2012 and will be in for a protracted period of sluggish growth thereafter,” he said.

This poorer growth outlook for Europe had, in turn, contributed to lower growth forecasts for Asia, including China. Overall, growth in China was expected to remain strong, but an easing in that growth would still have a flow-on effect for Australia, because of a lower demand for minerals.

The outlook in the United States is actually looking better than it did late last year, but growth was still likely to be subdued, Key said.

“Weaker global growth, particularly in our key export markets in Asia and Australia, will put downward pressure on the demand for our exports. That will have a real and noticeable effect on the New Zealand economy, which is expected to grow somewhat slower than was predicted at the end of 2011,” Key said.

“But it won’t knock the New Zealand economy for six and it certainly won’t stop the Government pushing ahead with its priorities,” he said.

“We are a small economy doing the right things, our banks are in good shape and the Government has managed effectively through the difficulties of the past three years.”

The really difficult challenges would start to come if world growth continued to be revised further and further downwards, or if the European crisis triggered a global credit freeze.

“Those are not the most likely scenarios for the world economy but they are certainly possible and the Government will continue to monitor global events very carefully,” Key said.

Surplus

The Government wass committed to returning to surplus in 2014/15.

“Sticking to this commitment is an important part of our plan to limit debt and take pressure off interest rates and the exchange rate,” Key said.

“And sticking to this commitment is also important for New Zealand’s credibility with international financial markets. As we have seen overseas, a loss of credibility is very difficult to reverse and can have widespread effects across the whole country,” he said.

“As you’d expect, the forecast slowdown in world growth makes our surplus target harder to achieve. But today I can confirm that we are still on track to post a surplus in 2014/15.”

The upcoming Budget Policy Statement would show a forecast surplus in the range of NZ$300 to NZ$500 million in that year.

“Given the events in Europe, this surplus is understandably smaller than was forecast in the PREFU. But we still remain on our tight fiscal track. You’ll see a fuller picture of that in the BPS, which will be released on February 16. The next update after that will be in the Budget itself,” Keys said.

“The Budget will set out the Government’s revenue and spending, and show exactly what we are doing to meet our fiscal targets, get back to surplus and start reducing debt,” he said.

“If the international outlook worsens between now and the Budget we may have to do more than we are currently anticipating to reach our surplus target, bearing in mind that the target is still three years and many forecast revisions away,” Key said.

“If the absolute worst happened, and there was a major shock to the global economy, the Government would look at whether retaining that surplus target would actually harm the economy by forcing a sharp reduction in demand,” he said.

“But outside that scenario, we remain firmly committed to our target for surplus in 2014/15.”

(Updates with extract from speech, video)

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26 Comments

"Considering that the level of demand is being support by ever increasing levels of more expensive debt, I can't see how much more damage dould be done....."

Not true! 

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/keygraphs/Fig5.html

Servicing costs have fallen drastically, about 25% since 2008. The floor has fallen out of demand because the debt peaked and has gradually started to decline. Increased debt was creating a portion of demand, thats stopped, decreasing debt means there is now 'missing' demand in the economy. Thats going to keep going and probably accelerate until the total debt has shrunk considerably.

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@ Nic - not so fast with the claim "Not true!" 

 

As Bernard noted yesterday @#1, foreign debt expanded considerably in the latest RBNZ release , mainly due to government borrowing replacing household debt over the last 12 months.

 

And yes rates have certainly fallen but not net volumes - it's just a collective responsibilty rather than an individual one. And I am tired of lending cheap money to deadbeats who cannot afford outright what they desire today so my kid can repay it in the future.   
 

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Stephen Hulme - debts come in more than just monetary form. It includes externalities.

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Yes you are right - the sun will eventually evolve to dwarf status.

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..... before or after the cricket test in Napier finishes ?

 

Dontcha hate it when the umpires stop play for bad light .......

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No, thats totally irrelevant. The increase in government debt has not really dented the de-leveraging in private debt. The total government debt is a fraction of private debt anyway. Also considering that the statement was "Considering that the level of demand is being supported by ever increasing levels of more debt, I can't see how much more damage could be done..." the government debt couldn't possibly be relevant. The author of that comment was clear implying that the country is getting deeper into debt (per capita) which is simply false, and demonstrably so.

"And I am tired of lending cheap money to deadbeats who cannot afford outright what they desire today so my kid can repay it in the future."

I should also point out you didn't lend money to any (so called) deadbeats. What you have done is lend money (unsecured) to a bank. From there its their money and they will lend it where they believe its going to be most profitable to them, probably where they can allocate the most debt. If you are lending your money this is entirely your choice, nobody is forcing you to keep your money in a bank account.

The point that these people became 'deadbeats', is also interesting. It co-incides with the financial crisis, and as you will see from the RBNZ graph is actually the point at which the 'deadbeats' class stopped getting deeper into debt and started paying it down. But if anybody is responsible for understanding the economy and the missallocation of funds which is the housing bubble, its the financial sector. So be careful what you wish for, as John Key was saying if you push the 'deadbeat' class further into repayment then more financial institutions will collapse, and the economy will deteriorate further.

 

 

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Alex / Bernard - please lift and store this comment..

NZ WILL NOT RETURN TO SURPLUS, EVER. SIGNED, PDK, 25 01 12.

 

We may well default - most indebted countries will - but that's not a return to surplus. I'd further predict that things turn to custard within the current year. The only alternative is that we are in a 'continued extent and pretend' scenario come Xmas.

 

I only started commenting, when I was sure we'd passed the point of no return.

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I agree with powerdownkiwi.  Numerous parts of JK's statement are naive and don't tie in with what is actually happening with the world economy.  As far as Treasury staff are concerned why do we pay these clowns for producing this rubbish.  How many of them will, in the future, be sacked because of their incompetent forecasting?  No doubt JK and Treasury officials will already be working on their excuses for why their predictions didn't work out.  When these Treasury forecasts are proved to be wrong will pdk and I get jobs there as we have proved that our forecasting is superior to theirs? 

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Taken logically, no fiscal system but a growth-based one, could have been formulated in the growth period. Logically, the growth perion was the first period. Equally logically, if you can't uncouple your growth from the physical - and their oil, gas, lignite, aquaculture, tuna, toothfish, mining, 'land supply', all say it's coupled - then the physical will limit the growth at some point. Lopgically, that point is not when things 'run out', it's when things peak in supply-rate. Typically 50% of the way through a resource.

 

We're there now. So there has to be a new system, attitude, approach, impact.

 

A steady-state 'economy', a sustainable form of agriculture, a sustainable input/output balance with the biosphere.

 

In that scenario, I'm not sure a 'Treasury" even has a place. A seed-bank will be 'worth (desired more) than a money bank. Still, in the transition phase, I'd be happy to be a co-adviser, but I work from home. Can you cope with scoping by skype?

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"Can you cope with scoping by skype?" - For the megabucks that treasury staff are paid - no problem.

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I'm inclined to agree with you, unless there's an energy revolution like fusion I just can't see how we'll be able to grow our way out of this one.

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Given what I know I also agree, but just because we can't see a way out, it doesn't mean there isn't one.

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Very true, but doesn't mean we can't start to think about the implications should this 'saviour' technology fail to materalize.

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To remedy this what can they do other than slash and burn and tax everything that moves?

Not looking good. I can't see how there will ever be a surplus - might stay longer in HK - at least the temperatiures over the past couple of weeks, 6 to 10C, make me feel right at home.

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The surplus has shrunk by 1bln in the past couple of months, at this rate the deifict will be about the same as last year.  Which is what many people that are attatched to reality have been saying. 

 

Is he lacking the nuts to tell it how it is?  A gutless wonder, or does he imagine he is telling little white lies, that the good outwieghs the lying.  Borrow away then, because deficits don't matter, how about that tax cut now please.

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Listen to Hardtalk 1&2 - 10th May 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfUozKMgA-Y still megalomaniac  economic ambitions in 2012 – how stupid.

 

Do they learn ? How severe will our economy suffer under the mismanagement of the government ? How will rates/ taxes influence our life’s, when revenue is drying up ?  How big will our account deficit be, before we are all forced to enter a sensible new economic strategy ? – shown in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQqDS9wGsxQ – it all comes too late PM.

 

I can hear Key in parliament saying - again and again  - I reject that proposition.

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End of economic growth requires sensible economic transition phase.

Snippy – that is the reason why I’m saying - it is too late - as explained, we don’t have in this country an economic transactional 2-3 years phase adapting well enough to worldwide occurring events.

 

You don’t sell machinery, but introduce know-how and unique, quality products and eliminate unnecessary expenses adapting to market and other situation - shown in the video.

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Alex / Bernard - please lift and store this comment..

NZ WILL RETURN TO SURPLUS BEFORE WE REACH EVER. SIGNED ,GBH , 26 01 12

 

We probably won't default , as our government has very little debt . Most of our debt is private , held as mortgages over houses , written by Aussie banks . Those Aussie banks may have a problem , sometime in the future . But who gives a rat's arse about them !

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Careful Gummy

BIG MOTHER & BIG BROTHER are watching our every move! Someone just gave me a new phone - a Samsung Galaxie, might have to trade it in on a flock of pigeons.

http://wikileaks.org/the-spyfiles.html

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Gummy says: "But who gives a rat's arse about them !"

Are you saying the “Aussie banks” are dealing even with parts of rats over there ? That would be disgusting, but it shows how desperate they are dealing with such animals.

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"Given the events in Europe, this surplus is understandably smaller than was previously forecast."

That seems like a weak excuse to me. Europe hasn't imploded and commodity prices are still high. I would say Europe is doing about as well as could have been reasonably expected. Yet the supposed surplus has dropped from 1.45b to 300-500m?

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Agree a very weak excuse especially when key has repeatedly argued nz has decoupled from Europe. China and aus our main trading partners have been relatively strong. It is to a large extent domestic policy failure which is failing nz, but of course a pm would never own up to that

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Phew, that's all right then Guv. 

Richard Koo says we should all just chill out too. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/koo-concerned-keynesian-class-contracting

Perhaps he is right, he is a clever chap after all.

On second thoughts he thinks the people in charge will do sensible things! Jeez, how daft is that?

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The Treasury slime balls are as bad as their political masters.  Nothing new has happened since before the election.  All this was known back then.  It just did not suit the politicians election campaign, so a craven Treasury served up a politically desirable PREFU.

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Fat salaries at stake CM...and bonuses....and a rise for being well behaved....and promotion....

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Yes Chris the system is basically corrupt. Assumptions can be easily massaged to provide the desired projections

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