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Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Baby-boomer selling to drive stocks lower for 10 more yrs; Greek bank run fear; Theresa Gattung's golden deal; Dilbert

Tuesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Baby-boomer selling to drive stocks lower for 10 more yrs; Greek bank run fear; Theresa Gattung's golden deal; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 11.30 am in association with NZ Mint.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.

I like the last Tullet Prebon link on how consumerism and debt is a problem.

1. The baby boomer effect - The San Franscisco Federal Reserve has published a paper saying the retirement of the baby boomers could hold down stock markets for another two decades as they sell stocks to finance their retirement.

The Fed's researchers worked out that stock market valuations in price to earnings multiples have actually closely followed the cohort born from 1946 to 1964.

One of the reasons stock markets boomed in the 80s and 90s was younger earners were saving for their retirements in stocks.

Now as they get closer to retirement they are selling stocks and buying bonds, just as classic life cycle theory would suggest they do.

That has helped drive the 10 year US Treasury bond yield under 2%, despite a credit rating downgrade.

What does that mean? Lower interest rates. Very weak or lower stock markets.  The best preview is Japan, where this ageing has happened sooner than in the West. And the next one to worry about is China, where its one child policy and no migration has created a similar ageing problem within 20 years or so.

Historical data indicate a strong relationship between the age distribution of the U.S. population and stock market performance. A key demographic trend is the aging of the baby boom generation. As they reach retirement age, they are likely to shift from buying stocks to selling their equity holdings to finance retirement. Statistical models suggest that this shift could be a factor holding down equity valuations over the next two decades.

The model-generated path for real stock prices implied by demographic trends is quite bearish. Real stock prices follow a downward trend until 2021, cumulatively declining about 13% relative to 2010. The subsequent recovery is quite slow. Indeed, real stock prices are not expected to return to their 2010 level until 2027. On the brighter side, as the M/O ratio rebounds in 2025, we should expect a strong stock price recovery. By 2030, our calculations suggest that the real value of equities will be about 20% higher than in 2010.

2. America is crumbling - Bloomberg reports on what happened in the Californian city of Vallejo after its city council went bankrupt and it had to halve its local police force.

Prostitution took off.

And now this has led to the growth of neighbourhood watch groups to replace police.

Here's Bloomberg (HT Troy via email):

Prostitution became a growth industry in Vallejo as the San Francisco Bay city slashed its payroll, cutting police by a third, to 90 from 134. The largest municipal bankruptcy in California since Orange County in 1994 has forced law enforcement to focus on violent crime at the cost of so-called “quality-of-life” issues, residents and officials said.

“When you have half the number of people, you can only do half the amount of work,” Robert Nichelini, Vallejo’s police chief, said in an Aug. 15 telephone interview. “Where it’s taken a toll is the lower-priority crimes, which have had to take a back seat.”

The sharp reduction in city services has prompted residents to fill the void, particularly in law enforcement.

3. Greek bank run avoided - Just. Zerohedge points to a paywalled FT article on how Greece only just avoided a bank run recently.

 From the FT: "Greece’s four largest banks agreed to take up a €50m convertible bond to help recapitalise Proton Bank, a small lender, the central bank announced this weekend, in what is being seen as an attempt to avert a run on the country’s fragile banking system..

.“In this environment, it was essential to prevent Proton from collapsing and creating a mood of fear with unpredictable consequences,” said one banker, explaining the rationale for the take-up of the Proton bond." In summary, Greece was lucky... this time around, they had enough cash to save the smallish lender. The next time around they will not be so lucky.

4. Good to see the South Australians push back - SkyCity has asked for extra gambling licenses here in exchange for a new convention centre. It also tried the same thing in South Australia.

It's good to see the Australians push back. There's even a reference to a frank exchange of views. Would our Prime Minister do that?

Here's Nick Krause at Stuff:

SkyCity Entertainment Group's $300 million development plans in Adelaide are in doubt after South Australia's state treasurer said the government would not negotiate on a review of gambling taxes in exchange for the company's investment.

The casino operator has offered to commit A$250 million ($312m) to support redeveloping Adelaide's Riverbank Precinct, part of a huge project involving state investment to transform Adelaide Oval into a 50,000 capacity multi-purpose stadium and upgrade the nearby Adelaide Convention Centre. In exchange, SkyCity wanted a review of the South Australian government's tax rate on gaming machines of 43.5 per cent, the highest in Australia. The group said the average in other states was 28 per cent.

The proposal is similar to a deal announced in June in which SkyCity would fund a new $350m international convention centre in central Auckland in exchange for the government changing gambling regulations. In an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, South Australian treasurer Jack Snelling said SkyCity would not be offered any special deals in return for its support.

''It's fair to say there was a frank exchange of views,'' he told ABC. ''As far as I'm concerned they now understand that there cannot and will not be any connection between any changes to their regulatory arrangements governing the casino and their investment on the Riverbank precinct.''

5. 'You've been warned' -  The Age's Matt Wade reports a couple of Chinese economists have warned the Reserve Bank of Australia at a private briefing there is a risk of another Asian Financial crisis in the next 20 years and that China would not be able to stimulate its way out of trouble again in the same way it did in 2008.

Distinguished Peking University economists, Yiping Huang and Bijun Wang, presented a paper at the bank's annual closed-door conference that assessed Asia's economic performance over the past decade and looked ahead to the prospects for the next 10 years.

The good news is they expect Asia's economic ascendancy to continue. But they warned the next 10 years or so could be bumpier than the past 10. "It is quite possible that Asia or China will experience a new financial crisis in the coming decade or two," their paper concluded.

Huang and Wang say the GFC, which hit a decade after the AFC, showed that Asian economies, including China, had made "limited progresses" in limiting financial and macro-economic risks. "Chinese policymakers used fiscal and monetary policies to boost economic growth during the GFC," they said. "But these policies have backfired in terms of high inflation, high local government debts and possibly large non-performing loans. It is almost impossible for the Chinese government to repeat what it did during the GFC."

6. 100,000 job losses - Merill Lynch has forecast 100,000 job losses in Australia as it struggles to deal with the high currency and weak household spending. Merill now sees the RBA cutting its cash rate by November at the latest. Yesterday's 1,000 job losses by Blue Scope are just the start. HT Alaninteractive via Twitter.

Steve Keen is looking more and more right by the day.

Here's the Australian:

On Merrill's numbers, about 50,000 job losses are consistent with another 0.5 per cent jump in the unemployment rate, which Mr Rocks said "would make an irresistible case for a rate cut".

"Anecdotes suggest that official employment data is lagging a material change in labour market conditions," said Mr Rocks. "We have tallied 7000 announced job losses since June, which are unlikely to be in the official numbers yet. This would be a subset of total losses since not all layoffs are announced.

"The RBA would ease rates once it becomes aware of this new trend in the labour market - we expect this by its November meeting but financial dislocation could force a more immediate response."

Bluescope today said it would cut 1000 jobs due to the high Australian dollar and soaring materials costs, as it became the latest in a string of companies to announce job cuts in recent weeks, including Coca-Cola Amatil, Westpac, Premier Investments and Ten Network.

7. Gattung a canny inveswtor - The Australian reports Theresa Gattung sold NZ$1 million worth of Telecom shares when she left as CEO and bought NZ$1 million worth of gold. It's looking good now.

The irony here is she was the CEO of the NZX 50's most prominent company. And her personal choice was not to reinvest in the stock market...

It makes you wonder about stocks.

The gold price has risen 140 per cent, or more than 25 per cent a year, over the past four years amid the market mayhem of the global crisis and now the more recent return of wrenching volatility to international sharemarkets.

"It was basically a defensive strategy that has turned to gold," Gattung says with a smile, although she is quick to add that there was nothing scientific about her investment strategy. Luck played its part.

"I am a conservative investor. I look to property, cash and precious metals. I've certainly missed the peaks of the market, but I've also missed the troughs."

8. The amazing Zerohedge - I often link to Tyler Durden from Zerohedge. We don't know exactly who Tyler is, or whether it's a collection of people. But Zerohedge is often provocative and breaks news, courtesy of connections deep inside the markets and a collapsetarian view of the world.

Now the Globe and Mail has taken a closer look at Zerohedge after a post about the stability of Canada's banks caused a stir. HT Amanda.

Here's the Globe and Mail citing Zerohedge's extraordinary disclaimer. Fair enough.

Reading what Zero Hedge calls its non-policy on conflict of interest, you should assume that's what they are doing. They say as much. Here's alink to the policy, but here's the upshot, in Zero Hedge's inimitable style:

"So how do we plan to handle conflicts? We don't. You should assume that at all times we are so totally just talking our book it would shock and awe you like the unexpected, early-morning arrival of a cluster of BGM-109C Tomahawks (were you a believer in the importance of "optics" that is)."

And if that's not clear enough, Zero Hedge goes on to say:

"The reality is, critical readers should read analytic posts and the rest of Zero Hedge with the blanket assumption that the author is totally 'conflicted.' (Phrased more logically, that the author stands to benefit from being right- imagine that)."

9. Refreshing from a stock broker - The Guardian reports a broker saying the London riots are a symptom of debt-fueled consumerism gone wrong.

The recent riots in London and other big cities were the product of an "out-of-control consumerist ethos" which will have profound impacts for the UK economy, a leading City broker has said.

The report by the global head of research at Tullett Prebon, Tim Morgan, is part of a series in which the brokerage analyses bigger issues for the UK. It details recommendations to resolve what it sees as a political and economic malaise: new role models, policies to encourage savings, the channelling of private investment into creating rather than inflating assets, and greater public investment.

It warns: "We conclude that the rioting reflects a deeply flawed economic and social ethos… recklessly borrowed consumption, the breakdown both of top-end accountability and of trust in institutions, and severe failings by governments over more than two decades."

The note pinpoints the philosophy behind the riots as consumerism.

10. Totally Jon Stewart on a probe into ratings agencies. "Revenge is a dish best served with a great deal of paperwork."

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Robert Kiyosaki wrote an excellent book a few years ago on the impending share market crash when the baby boomers start retiring, called Rich Dad's Prophecy. From memory it predicted a bear market from around 2014.

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 Bernard, not sure you saw my post earlier , here is something that needs to be investigated.

Why is South Canterbury's Performing Loans Book being sold off at what looks like about 65 Cents in the Dollar ?

Any self respecting Banker will tell you that a performing loan is worth parity at best and about 95 % at worst .

An alternative would have been to underwrite the loan book on sale at parity , and deal with any future non performing loans as they arose .

I would like to see the due diligence done by the recievers on the book being made public , and subjected to public scutiny 

At these deep discounts , the Crown finances (NZ taxpayer)  gets shafted yet again.

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Boatman

Many thanks.

Are you involved at all? If we're going to be transparent, that would be useful.

Where are you seeing 65 cents in the dollar? I may have missed something.

I would also love to see the due diligence made public. But would you allow your due dilgence to be made public if you were bidding for something?

cheers

Bernard

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FYI this looks like an interesting book called: "How to run the economy as if the future mattered"

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9402.html

Saving and investment will need to be encouraged over current consumption. Above all, governments will need to engage citizens in a process of debate about the difficult choices that lie ahead and rebuild a shared commitment to the future of our societies.

http://www.europeanfinancialreview.com/?p=3548

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 I think the NZmedia should push for changes and force the government to make changes. Broadcasting standard/ quality of the national channels here in NZ are absolutely shocking. Minister N. Coleman has to answer a lot of questions.

I made a number of proposals how to bring the media/ government closer to the NZpublic years ago. It seems to me the government/ media is increasingly divorcing and living conditions for Kiwis increasingly harder – not a positive scenario.

 What we need in this country are weekly 1-2 hours programs during prime time – the NZpublic, politicians, experts debating issues of national interests.

As a result of such open and public debates, I think we could see some stunning, quality improvements within our society. 

 

 

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  Bernard, considering your answer, it seems you are more interested on “crazy lowburner’s” comment, then on people participating seriously of one of your topics you publish here. I’m astonished. I excepted at least a short response to my comment to keep the topic going.

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Above all, governments will need to engage citizens in a process of debate about the difficult choices that lie ahead and rebuild a shared commitment to the future of our societies.

To put that into context - you are even contradictive what you’re saying.
 

 

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... " crazy lowburners " .... ? .. Tch tch , Walter .. that is a very rude comment . But I don't mind so much , 'cos I know that Count of Christov is tough , ... he can take your criticism .

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I can't say what it is you want me to reply to Walter...I have been complaining  for the longest time about a lack of robust political debate....as it was in the seventies but with the advantage of  internet media we have now to research fact from fiction.

We currently have a very weak political system  where  accountability  to the public is almost non existent  due to the publics distractions with what they see as their own problems.

Walter the Administrations thinking on media's role for the people is to keep us amused...distracted..occupied..peripherally informed only.....they know full well people (generally) may have a passing interest on any given topic....but will...do...little to become involved even when it has a direct impact upon them..

On any number of occassions i would like to think one or more of my more serious post have had some small influence...but I would not hold my breath on that being the case

...Walter you can only come here say what you've got to say n hope for the best....

That said you also have to enjoy coming here...and the fact is GBH just makes tha a little bit easier..along with his polar opposite PDK..and a cast of stars from time to time....along with of course some very good journalism from the Big guy and his team.

Do what you ...can do....Walter.....but if your not enjoying what  your doing  and it frustrates you...rethink  your plan of action.

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Bernard : On Amazon.com her book only got 4 reviews , and an average 3 star rating .... which in of itself was odd ,  'cos none of the reviews actually gave 3 stars ... a 1 , 2 , 4 & a 5 out of 5 .

.... Diane Coyle's other economic book may have greater appeal for  you , Bernard , " The Soulful Science "

Soulful kind of chappy are we , Mr Gloomsteriser ?

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Just call me the Barry White of gloomsteriser...

;)

cheers

Bernard

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I forgot to bring my glasses today. For a minute there i thought you said Betty White????

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Betty Crocker ! ... the big guy has a sweet tooth ... ..  hmmm , time that I was scarce ....

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I have heard that Bernard is very partial to a bit of crumpet every now and then!

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it is an average:

Arithmetic mean is commonly called as average.Mean or Average is defined as the sum of all the given elements divided by the total number of elements. ( I copied this bit from the interweb so it may be a right wing lie..who knows but from the numbers you have given , the total is 12 devided by the number of reviews, gives you 3.

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For those who ever wanted to look fear in the face........guaranteed to give you pinball eyes..!

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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oh god my eyes!!!!!  arrrgggg!!!...........my eyes....my eyes........

Thanks great link, made it to my favourites page.

regards

 

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Steven I don't want you treating that page like a Beyonce pinup in some secret part of your cubicle....................it's only gonna make your eyes worse...not to mention people are gonna start to wonder where all that ticking n moaning are coming from.

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Count : I thought that we looked fear in the face every morning when we clicked on the  " 90 seconds at 9 " ...

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While I know your right about that GBH...............I just couldn't help staring at it  and thinking about nooses and razorblades and how long will my car idle in the garage....I do wanna be clean n green...........ish blue. 

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Tell me about it.....Im having huge arguments in the Green facebook page over the hard left policies they think are er...desired.....oh and Im a stinking facist landlord it seems.....

LOL....

Seems they want warm rentals but dont want to pay more rent for it or use the heating.....

They are at best slighlty more rational than PhilBest.....I think.....

regards

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Look Bernard - where your interesting book mentioned earlier 12:09pm ended up - ridiculed !!!

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No Walter I thought the link he put up was a good read....what GBH and I were talking about was the link I put up and if you'd gone there you'd probably understand why Princeton is engaging in the idea  of more involvement from citizens.

As to the media in N.Z. in the main ...they will remain the govt of the day's mouthpiece untill more mom's n dad's get savy with a wealth of research available to them on the internet ...to help them determine fact from propaganda.

But you see Walter that brings us full circle to apathy of the people...and i have been prclaiming it as the true enemy of the people "here"  since the earliest posts I placed.

so No...his item was not ridiculed...it perhaps was not indulged by many although interested were left feeling well what can I do.

For you..!    Cynical realism is the intelligent man's best excuse for doing nothing in an intolerable situation. ..........................Huxley

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Christov - and why not continue the issue Bernard brought up and make some practical and valuable proposals to improve the situation where it is needed - right here in New Zealand ?

I just cannot see that.

What is the reason of this forum ? I guess it's exchanging information and knowledge, but also to stimulate debates and make efforts for practical improvements within our society.

Christov, please make a comment on my earlier proposal 12:42pm

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No this forum is for little more than a small group throwing mud at each other. Nz media this site included are only about not rockin the boat to keep revenues ticking over & maybe getting an "exclusive" of some sort.
Not until the country has some independent media who can get the access afforded the mouth piece media asking hard questions while informing a Moronically childish Nz public then nothing will change. When I am in Nz I cringe at the level of news , it is tragic. But as a country we get what we ask for, or not as the case may be.
My guess would be anyone who tried to ask hard questions as a msm or independent journo , they would be moved along quickly. Shame on Nz, very sad !

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Absolutely right LloydM1 - NZ is run by an oligarchy, either "left" or "right", rorting the country, where people think they have a genuine voice once every three years. Not so.

The MSM are the oligarchs' poodle. There is scarcely a real journalist in the country.

To Bernard's great credit he allows all views to be aired here. 

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OMG - This site is very informative, BH does a good job I agree, but he can't rock the boat too much or his site will suffer for it. You can see the limitations of working inside such an arena. I am sure BH would love nothing more than to go nuclear while interviewing from time to time, but it would be suicide I imagine.

I am trying to change my next trip home to avoid he election garbage following the RWC. I simply cringe while listening to some of my clever friends discussing politics, they simply do not understand the scam of the political/electoral system. Same applies to many on this site, and you can now reasonably expect to be called a conspriracey theorist for the post you made above.

Nah mate its all above board in NZ, our vote matters, democracy is not a sham, NATO dont steal sovereign nations, bankers are not crooks, NZ was not the original globlalist experiment, USA is not being collapsed deliberately,  Pentagon don't run the Opium trade or help launder the drug cash, ETS will save the planet (cos the billionaires you pay the money to say so), IMF, WTO, WHO, World Bank are all there for the betterment of the worlds people, nah its all conspriacyy maaaaaaate!

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Amen, LloydM1, well said. I have had first hand a very unpleasant experience of the oligarchy in action and it really opened my hitherto rather naive eyes. I may yet write a book about it.

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.... for Bernard's sake , just turn your experiences into a cartoon .... he has the attention span of a manically depressive gold-fish ......

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As I posted above LloydM1....couldn't agree more..!

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Christov, the apathy as you pointed out is the worst part of it all. Most of those who are apathetic also have opinions on subjects they know little or nothing about, or form their opinions from what they have seen in a snippet of TV1/3 news in the evening. Works well for the system though, as you clearly are aware of!

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Here's what British banks lost in market cap since August 2006: 

  • -94.54% (-58.10% in past year) 
  • Barclays: - 76.85% (-53.08% in past year) 
  • RBS: -96.83% (-54.15% in past year)
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http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/    
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Zerohedge was a good site for alternative news and views, but it's turned into just the hyperbolic, hysterical, ramblings of a mad man (or persons). It's editorial line influences this site (and many of its readers) far too much.

ZH loves to point out how it was the first to break this, that and the other, but it never goes back to all the end-of-the-world-any-minute-now predictions that it makes on an almost daily, if not hourly basis. The only reason I check it anymore is for its occasional links to worthwhile hedge fund newsletters like that of GMO's Jeremy Grantham.

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What cracks me up most about Zerohedge is how respondents like good 'ol BH will quote "Tyler Durden" at zerohedge says"... Not realising that whilst we all thought Tyler Durden was Brad Pitt.....it turned  out to be the other guy.... no hang on...it was neither of them...just another conspiracy monster raving looney blog......Tyler Durden is really...Wolly...noooo!

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Vera Fayed knows every single event in the world, has researched them, and stated "its all a conspiracy" Job done then no more need to research, just listen to Vera!

Vera if you want to learn something try tarpley.net or get some podcasts, you tube videos etc of Webster G Tarpley, as a start. Try Bob Chapman theinternationalforecaster.com to brush up on your lacking global economics/finance/history etc

Bernard, you can shut the site down now, Vera has it all covered off...Cheers

 

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Thank you Lloyd. Good to know all my hard work wasn't in vain. And to get recognition from the great LloydM1, himself.... I'm speechless. Hugs for you.

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Just wondering what  Bernard thought about the timing of Fonterra dumping the organics...just as commodity prices start to fall heavily........it would now appear their initial interest was purely of a cosmetic nature........

Is that me being cynical..?.....or was it them....?

that said...................could be worth a look at how many invested in farm upgrades.....now finding themselves with a rapidly diminishing market support.

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Christove

Interesting. Haven't thought about it much. Haven't dug around at all.

I wonder though if tougher times and higher milk prices reduces the willingness of consumers to spend even more on Organics.

cheers

Bernard

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Wouldn't disagree with the logic there Bernard.....but a big part of Fonterra's push into Asian markets is based on  the purity of product .......and involvement  in  development of cleaner greener produce.

I would doubt  they are going to recant the Market Speak they are using in foreign Markets........just a case of neglecting to inform those markets of their withdrawal from projects of that nature.

http://www.fonterra.com/wps/wcm/connect/fonterracom/fonterra.com/Our+Business/Sustainability/

the link is just the baseline of what Fonterra is peddling to the world markets.

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Really hope you had a look at the link supplied Mr.Hickey...it would make you cringe with embarrassment.........You'd swear Fonterra are funding the Greens......dear oh dear...I mean there's enough bullshite here to generate emissions of the webpage alone. 

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from anecdotal evidence i've heard from taranaki organic milk is barely more expensive to produce than non-organic.  CasualObserver would be the go-to on that one i think.....

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Hmmm Ah dunno about that Vanderlei...CasO thinks I'm a bit anti -Fonterra...so I tend to get the party line.

My axe to grind if there is one...is that The GOVT...as in we the people have got into bed with a corporation...who...have at intervals appeared to be able to dictate./alter./or have their interests placed above the wider well being of the N.Z. export industry .

I am satisfied that there would have been occassion for both Bollard and English to consider impact upon Fonterra's interests before the introduction or non-implementation of policy....that may have eased the burden many many exporters have found themselves faced with.

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RBNZ point the finger re housing affordability:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10746926

"The pace that new housing can be built is a "critical factor" for house prices, and needs to be the focus of any long-term policy, the central bank said in its submission to the Productivity Commission's investigation into home affordability.

That comes after recent local and international research shows New Zealand's housing supply hasn't been responsive to big swings in housing demand." 

Strangely enough there appears to be little discussion about the influence (or lack thereof) by prudential and monetary policy, funny that.

And, Gareth Morgan and Susan Guthrie get pointing too, on taxation:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10746808 

"Our tax and welfare policy is in urgent need of reconstruction so it ensures equal opportunity for all to participate and fully realise their potential in society in its widest sense - whether it be the paid or the unpaid workforce."

 

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That Gareth Morgan article is a spot on about what has become of economics;

Ever since moral philosophy and economics parted ways and mathematical advances reduced the subject of economics to answering "what if" questions, we've suffered from a vacuum of understanding of why we tax and why we distribute the proceeds via state transfer payments. 

Must get the book.

 

 

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phew..! about time I think I just heard a squillion Japanese shout. 

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why - has Labour tapped him to replace GGGoff ?

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The Japanese P.M's glad they are not being old fashioned about it...he'd be gutted.

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Getting back to whether retiring boomers will be a negative for sharemarkets,   I'm not so sure.

Bernard has talked a lot late lately about interest rate repression , meaning that those owning deposits in banks are getting a low return . The thing is, they normally do. It was the period when the RB here was trying to throttle the property market that got savers used to very high real after tax returns on term deposits.  Most of the time real returns on money in the bank have been negative.

 

Retirees wont be able to cash up and depend on interest to live on for thirty years. They are going to have to hold assets which act as an inflation hedge as well as produce some sort of income. That really means property or equities . That also means some sort of risk.

 

We have lots of problems in this area in this country with poor quality financial advice , thin capital markets and a fair bit of dodgy business practice. Big issues for Governments to deal with but there seems to some sort of start being made with recent upgraded regulations around deposit taking and  financial advice.

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They don't have to live off the interest alone. There's 30 years worth of capital attrition to factor in as well :) The objective being, to spend your last cents on the nails for your coffin lid.....

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You are quite right Nicholas . Retirees should be spending the kids inheritance. In many cases though they wont because they know they cant replace the savings spent and they do want to leave something behind.

There is often little realisation that inflation is spending the money through stealth anyway.

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At the moment, inflation is. But as the Japanese elderly have seen, those who sold their stocks and property 20 odd years ago achieved a high nominal price that has deteriorated ever since - by 90% in some extreme cases, and 60% in most. Our society ( all Western societies) is likewise aging, fast. And deflation is the best store of a lifetimes effort if released at the right time. I'd suggest that was 3 years ago, and in fact anytime from now on....

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I guess that depends on whether we will see nominal reduction in asset values in a deflationary environment , real reduction after rampant inflation or modest real appreciation.

Tough call to make looking at a 30 or 40 year time frame.

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As a retiree I would love to spend the kid's inheritance but damn it I don't know when I will die and I haven't the courage to organize it. Over my lifetime, and I am in my 70's, I have found it interesting how little people actually inherited compared to what they thought they would. So I wouldn't bank on your life being a lot different when your parents do die. Most people I know have their money in property and many are looking to downgrade or sell rental properties because they don't want the worry of looking after the family home (it is now too big) or maintaining rental properties. In my view property will decrease in value as the baby boomers age. There are just not enough younger people to buy them at the prices the baby boomers want.

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A look at this article will help explain what Bollard and the big banks here are up to as well as point to what they will do in the future.

 http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article30051.html

The NZ economy is and has been for some time a toy owned by the banks and through their policies it operates on credit that promises them a constant fat return from the NZ GDP.

The RBNZ and whatever govt we have are both puppets being jerked every which way by those banks and by Bernanke.

Therefore you should expect a continuation of the debasement policies and those which prop up the dependence on credit. Expect the BS and spin to be flavoured with the "saving is great" spice because this helps hide the scam going on.

In truth if you are a saver, you are being screwed. The policies in operation favour the indebted and encourage more borrowing.

To that end, OLLYN is likely to be right about quality property. Nothing has changed. This was and will remain a totally unbalanced turd of an economy.

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 "Nearly 7000 submissions have been received on the Waikato Regional Council's proposal to impose a regional rate so it can contribute $6 million towards the cost of the National Cycling Centre of Excellence to be built around a Cambridge velodrome.

Submissions closed yesterday. ...... The regional council has employed two temporary staff to help handle the submissions" stuff.co.

Isn't it wonderful...job creation excellence award to the ratepayers...2 so far...how many by the time they have forked out the interest each year to finance the borrowing of the $6million.

Next up will be the high rise carpark...then the new super doopa pool complex with knobs on...followed by the museum of knitting and weaving history...and on and on and on........

The only way for Waikato rate payers to remove the fingers from their wallets, it to vote the buggers out.

 

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