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Monday's Top 10: Treat banks like fast-food outlets; 'inflation is good'; KiwiSaver - what we're putting in, what we're getting back; rainfall; Dilbert, and more

Monday's Top 10: Treat banks like fast-food outlets; 'inflation is good'; KiwiSaver - what we're putting in, what we're getting back; rainfall; Dilbert, and more

Here's my holiday edition of Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10:00 am today. We now have a Monday-Wednesday-Friday schedule for Top 10.

Bernard will be back with his version this Wednesday. We will have a guest posting on Friday.

As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to david.chaston@interest.co.nz.

See all previous Top 10s here.

1. 'To secure stability, treat finance and fast food alike'
Justin Fox is the executive editor at the Harvard Business Review and he makes the case that the 'success' in avoiding a complete financial meltdown in 2008 has come at the cost of inadequate root-and-branch reform.

In the early 1930s, policy errors by governments and central banks turned a financial crisis into a global economic disaster. In 2008 the financial shock was at least as big, but the reaction was smarter and the economic fallout less severe. We actually had learned something in the intervening three-quarters of a century about how the economy and the financial system fit together.

But we hadn’t learned everything - and we still haven’t. In fact, macroeconomists and finance scholars clearly forgot some important lessons along the way. And the seeming success (compared with the 1930s, at least) of the 2008 bailouts and subsequent government and central bank actions may actually dilute the lessons of the recent crisis. In the 1930s and 1940s, the financial system was essentially built anew, with tight regulation and drastically changed attitudes about risk and responsibility.

That approach surely had its costs, but it ushered in a financial-crisis-free era in the United States and Europe that lasted for decades. This time around, the system has survived more or less intact. That seems like a good thing, on balance; but it may also mean we’ll be having more learning experiences soon.

John Kay says the purpose of financial regulation shouldn't be to prevent the failure of private financial institutions, but to prevent the failure of public financial systems. Let banks go bust, even the big ones (especially the big ones) he says. But we should regulate the system to ensure that even if a big one does go down, it is just like a 'normal' failure of any other large company.

Kay points out that the desire by regulators to avoid the failure of 'systemically important institutions' is a failure of the concept of regulation itself.

Financial stability is best promoted by designing a system that is robust and resilient in the face of failure, which is why effective and implementable mechanisms of resolution are the key to meaningful financial reform. Some progress has been made, but overall very little; living wills too complex to implement at all, far less within hours, are no solution to the problem of too complex to fail.

Now we have an equally dotty, and essentially similar, proposal to fund the bailout of failed derivatives exchanges using customers’ collateral. The explicit rationale is that it is more important to keep the institution intact than to protect the interests of its customers. But the reverse is the case. The services may go on (or not: the commonest reason commercial organisations fail is that people do not want their product). But the failed organisation that provided such services need, and should, not.

This applies to fast-food outlets and supermarkets and car plants – and also to utilities such as electricity, water, and the payment system. Financial services differ only because the lobbying power of incumbent companies is so great.

2. Fed aims for more inflation
People of a certain age (me, for example) lived through a pernicious era of embedded high inflation. It was accompanied by low growth. We called it 'stagflation'. Home loans were over 20%. It just killed the saving ethic. It transformed my generation, converting us from from long-term savers to short-term spenders and borrowers. We are the ones who think of home ownership as an 'investment'. Inflation distorted us, turning our notions of good behaviour on their head.

But as we gained 'power', it became normal. Then the GFC came along and exposed such attitudes as hollow.

But now, some central banks want to re-encourage inflation. The debate will be generational - between those who 'remember' its effects, and those for whom it is academic history. More from the NY Times:

The Fed, in a break from its historic focus on suppressing inflation, has tried since the financial crisis to keep prices rising about 2 percent a year. Some Fed officials cite the slower pace of inflation as a reason, alongside reducing unemployment, to continue the central bank’s stimulus campaign.

Critics, including Professor Rogoff, say the Fed is being much too meek. He says that inflation should be pushed as high as 6 percent a year for a few years, a rate not seen since the early 1980s. And he compared the Fed’s caution to not swinging hard enough at a golf ball in a sand trap. “You need to hit it more firmly to get it up onto the grass,” he said. “As long as you’re in the sand trap, tapping it around is not enough.”

All this talk has prompted dismay among economists who see little benefit in inflation, and who warn that the Fed could lose control of prices as the economy recovers. As inflation accelerates, economists agree that any benefits can be quickly outstripped by the disruptive consequences of people rushing to spend money as soon as possible. Rising inflation also punishes people living on fixed incomes, and it discourages lending and long-term investments, imposing an enduring restraint on economic growth even if the inflation subsides.

3. Payback time
I thought the eye-popping JPMorgan US$13 bln settlement made them the bank who has paid the biggest penalty for the subprime disaster. But I was wrong on two fronts. Firstly, BofA is way ahead in the penalty stakes. And, these things aren't 'fines' as such; they are substantially orders to force these banks to pay back those they took advantage of. Just like in NZ the regulators may have been slow out of the blocks, but they are getting a roll on now. The Economist has a set of charts and this one is helpful:

JPMorgan Chase, America’s largest bank, has provisionally agreed to pay $13 billion to regulators to resolve investigations into its mortgage activities. It is the latest in a string of hefty settlements.
 
Since 2008 financial firms have agreed to over $95 billion in mortgage-related penalties. But things could get worse. Bank of America may soon reach a $6 billion settlement with housing regulators. And JPMorgan’s announcement may not stop ongoing criminal probes into its mortgage activities.

4. German house prices
There's been a bit of talk recently about using Germany's approach to the housing affordability problem. Here's a graphical update, and more from The Atlantic/Quartz:

Nearly half of all Germans rent, which makes the nation a somewhat odd candidate for a housing bubble. But there are signs that officials are concerned about puckish surges in housing prices. In its October monthly bulletin the Bundesbank warned that prices of apartments in cities such as Berlin, Hamburg and Munich were as much as 20 percent higher than economic fundamentals could justify. An analyst who spoke to the Wall Street Journal said apartment prices in Berlin are up some 80 percent between 2009 and 2012.

Observers blame an inflow of international capital for the price jumps. Investors have used low interest rates to invest in homes in Germany, a bastion of economic stability within the eurozone. Goldman Sachs analysts point out, however, that overall "given that house prices are just coming off a low base, national house prices are unlikely to be significantly overvalued at this point."

5. KiwiSaver fees
It was very disappointing to see the release by the FMA on Thursday headlined by them "KiwiSaver assets jump 30 percent to top $16.5b". Most non-expert readers would have concluded that KiwiSaver returns were 30%. The press release doesn't say that of course, but headlines like the FMAs are the type of spruiking the FMA was set up to control.

If the returns aren't 30%, then what are they? The FMA report doesn't say. In fact, it deals with the 'year to March 31, 2013' which makes it kind of out-of-date as far as returns are concerned.

But it does have some useful statistics. For example, it shows that the funds management industry took $178 million out to run these schemes for the year, a 1.4% expense ratio. Here is an extract we modified from the FMA Report:

6. What we have put into KiwiSaver
Before we get to the actual returns, let look at what now makes up these KiwiSaver funds. The IRD has more up-to-date data than released by the FMA; the IRD data is up to June 30. That shows employees, employers and the Government have contributed $15.030 billion, funds paid over to the scheme providers by the IRD.

If we update the FMA valuation data at March 31 with the RBNZ valuation data at June 30, that lifetime contribution of $15 billion is now worth $17.203 billion. That is, fund managers have grown the value of the contributions over the six year the scheme has been in operation by $2.17 billion. Now we are back to the initial question: what sort of return is that? It certainly wasn't "30%" in the year to March, as some people may have assumed after reading the FMA headline.

7. Taxing KiwiSaver
There are two things to keep in mind about taxes on KiwiSaver. Firstly, there is a complicated split on how earnings are taxed. Some taxes are paid by the funds themselves, but under the PIR regime most are not assessed in the fund but are paid by you in your KiwiSaver account at your PIR rate. In the end, that is good for you, but it makes talking about after-tax fund returns fearsomely complicated.

Assuming you are on a 17.5% PIR (which applies for people earning between $48,000 and $70,000), in 2013 about 8.8% tax will be paid by the funds, and the balance to your PIR rate, or a bit under 10% will be paid by you in your account. Look at your account transactions and you will see these tax liabilities deducted from your fund balances.

The other thing is that while you and your fund are paying tax, the government is collecting it. In 2013 they will get back from KiwiSavers something like $200 million. Our calculations show that since KiwiSaver was introduced, the government of the day has gotten back less than $400 million in tax payments. The government also needs to have fund managers do a lot better because that will increase their tax revenues.

8. What we are getting out of KiwiSaver
Of course, the answer of what 'returns' are being earned will very much depend on what Fund you are in. We have comprehensive data in our KiwiSaver resources on this website. There are some great ones delivering outstanding returns, some that generate volatile returns over time, some that give slow and steady returns, and even some that are dogs losing money for their 'investors'.

But we can calculate the averages, and they are not very impressive. Half the 2.1 million members will be getting these unimpressive returns or worse. Frankly, its not very satisfactory and very disappointing. As an industry, fund managers have a huge opportunity to make a much better contribution. Most have failed to add significant value, although 2013 was the first time we saw any noticeable improvement.

However, there is something important you should realise when anyone talks about 'returns' - as a member you (and your employer) are making monthly contributions to your fund. It is typical for scheme managers to talk about the type of returns their funds earn on a stable capital sum. Even the new MBIE guidelines make fund managers calculate returns for a "$10,000" fund. But that is not how your situation works - you are most likely in a 'regular savings' pattern. Returns on your relatively low balances early on will be much less important to the returns on your current balances because those latest balances will be much larger. 

We can, however, look at the overall KiwiSaver industry on a 'regular savings' basis and calculate returns. That shows:

4.5% before tax ? !! We compared these returns with average one year bank TDs and they returned 4.4% before tax over the same period. To be fair, you can't walk into a bank with $17 billion and expect to get the carded rate - you will be offered much lower if you had much more than $4 million. But still, it's hardly a ringing endorsement for the funds management industry. 6.9% is better in 2013, but still nothing like what the Super Fund achieved ( an exceptional 25.8% return in the year to June 30, 2013 and over the whole period 13.9%).

The results at the NZ Super Fund set a benchmark. Fund managers may not like it, but it is one here to stay; it is an unavoidable benchmark for managers. It is strategically important for the country that this industry does better. Failure to do so will undermine public and public policy confidence in their capability.

The establishment phase is over. Members must demand better returns. Some managers are delivering. Members need to get active and shift funds away from under-performers. The key is long-term results but don't let the industry use that as an excuse for current poor performance. They must do better, starting yesterday.

9. Measuring a key asset
I read the other day that "The overall NZ rainfall is the same as the whole of Australia and is 2.5 times that of the whole of the UK." Actually it is an interesting comparison, but it's not - nowhere close - even in a dry period in Australia. More like, NZ can be compared to WA.

Both the ABS and StatsNZ publish national and regional Water Accounts so you can check claims like this.

NZ's rainfall is a key and unique national asset. Letting too much of it run out to sea and get contaminated with salt is pure waste.

10. Today's quote
"There is a very easy way to return from a casino with a small fortune: go there with a large one." - Jack Yelton

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#3 last I've read on it, there was still debate if the JP Morgan settlement was going to be tax deductible.

 

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As Bob Jones once said  " There's nothing wrong with a good healthy dose of inflation"  (or something along those lines).

If inflation is trucking along at ,say, 5%  -  then consumers will be spending, money will be flowing & investors/businesses will be investing in capital & staff in anticipation of higher prices etc etc ....

Now we have had 20/30 years or so of smashing down economic growth domestically all in the name of the politically-correct economically orthodox dogma of "suppressing inflation".

There is currently no inflation in NZ at all from normal healthy sources  -  ie more consumers seeking more goods&services than can be supplied.   The property market is the only growth sector due to unfettered foreign investment  -  & NZ-ers are being punished for this phenomenon.

Deflation is so much more damamging than a little inflation.  Deflation has a downward spiral effect  -  which is happening in our domestic economy. 

 

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Mortgagebelt...

I totally disagree with you...

If inflation is trucking along at 5%....   why should that make consumers spend more..??

Inflation would be great in helping the "deleveraging" of debt.....BUT.that is about transferring wealth from savers to borrowers......  

The last thing the "powers that be" would want, would be "wage rate" inflation..... 

It is average wages that has lagged everything else over the last 20/30 yrs.

I supposed we need to define what inflation is....    For me it is the reduced purchasing power of money which results from incresing the money supply.

ie. 1985 M3 45 billion       2013  M3 256 billion ....   this is a 6% annual growth rate.

House prices have mirrored this growth in money supply.

Wages have not...   eg secondary school teacher earnt $34000 in 1984....   compound that at 6% and it would be $174, 000 today

Actual salary today is about $70,000  ....which is about a 2.6% compounded rate.

http://www.ppta.org.nz/index.php/collective-agreements/conditions-of-employment/1107-salary1980-2009

It gets worse.....   because of the nature of exponential growth rates..   ie. it is only after a period of time that the difference in growth rates starts showing dramatic effects...

In the 1970s....  a single income household was enuf

in the 1980s  a Double household income was enuf

In the 1990s to mid 2000s' a Double income plus borrow heaps gave a household a similar standard of living.

As money supply keeps increasing at 6%+ per yr .... I can predict that things will get tougher and tougher for the average person... 

The CPI does not really "capture" or measure the effects of money supply growth.

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I have argued that today’s Bubble is by far the most dangerous yet (the “granddaddy”). Unprecedented concerted efforts by the Bernanke Fed, Draghi ECB, Kuroda BOJ, the Chinese and others have fomented a systemic mispricing of finance around the globe and throughout most asset classes. This creates another key fragility that was not nearly as prevalent in previous Bubble periods.



The Fed and global central bankers collapsed short-term interest-rates, forcing savers out of “money” and into the risk markets (or, in the case of Chinese savers, to “shadow banking”). Initially, central bankers were hoping that a shot of monetary stimulus and some asset inflation would stoke “animal spirits” and spur economic recovery. Their plan just didn’t work. So we’re now well into the fifth year of unprecedented stimulus, with the initial shot becoming a long-term binge addiction. This has nurtured a most dangerous “Monetary Process,” whereby generally risk-averse finance has flowed for years (and in increasing quantities) into progressively more distended Bubble markets. 



We saw an indication in June of how quickly sophisticated “hot money” and the unsuspecting small investor can clog up the exit in the event of even modest market losses. How long do central banks believe they can sustain levitated markets? Do they realize that the more these markets inflate the more prone they become to instability and  dislocation? 

 

http://www.prudentbear.com/2013/10/fighting-good-fight.html#.Um29MpTk80M

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I farmed in the mid 80's and always thought I had a handle on inflation and that I could deal with it and handsomely profit if it returned.

 Today I don't think we have inflation, my farm costs are increasing at over %6 a year but most of that is coming from increasing costs in transport taxes, fuel taxes, rates etc., ie, its from the growth of government. 

 The real world is in a bubble both in peoples asumption of values and their perception of risk versus reality.

  One day soon, we will wake up and everything will have changed.

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"Changed", it changed in 2006, it was peak oil.

Your deisel and petrol costs? 

$20~$30 in the 1980s, now $100, 5 times the cost, that all feeds through, govn needs energy as do ppl. 

Fertilizer costs?

fossil fuel based.

Servicing massive debt?

What was the debt then V now?

I certainly agree with risk...

Growth in Govn or its cost to provide? more or less the same, or both?

Yes there is more regulation, we as a society choose to have that.

regards

 

 

 

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Steven, I agree with you and PDK, ive been slow to realise the impact of high fuel prices on my business. I thought it was just the diesel in my tractor, or petrol in my car.

   Now im aware the cause of most of the inflation of the 70's and 80's was the Opec crisis, and the time lag it took for the cost of energy to seep through the economy .

Then the banks yelled inflation and interest rates went through the roof benefiting ?

 In the States I can get a Semi Truck to drive 12 hours for $800, in NZ the cost is over $2.50 a km.

 Road user taxes and high taxes on fuel in NZ are exagerating a problem.

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Yep and costs of roads is mostly oil....

regards

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AndrewJ...    Im reading Warren Buffetts book at the moment... great read .. ( almost a book on economic history as well )

http://www.amazon.com/The-Snowball-Warren-Buffett-Business/dp/0553384619/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1382935237&sr=8-6&keywords=warren+buffett

Just got to the 1970s part of his life....     oil was part of it...   (inflation )...Vietnam war was part of it.... strength of Labour Unions was part of it...   Monetary policy was part of it ( Bretton woods ending ..Fed allowing excessive credit growth)...

In the same way ...  I don't really agree with Stevens point of view about Peak oil in 2006  having "changed" the world.

 

 

 

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832 pages!

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Yeah... its killing me !!!!

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... think laterally , dude .. when the Jehovah's Witlesses knock on your door , grab your good book , and start reading it upsidedown ( the book , not you ! ) at them ...

 

Gotta fight fire with fire , my friend !

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Fair enough....what pray was the july 2008 event for oil at $147US collapsing afterwards?

It has changed (its why we are in this mess)  and will even more btw....profoundly, most just have not clicked yet, might take another gfc or so.

regards

 

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Broken pice discovery mechanism due to rigging of commodity securities market, flooding ovf capital away from U.S. housing market into commodities, turmoil in Middle East and Africa, poor government policies which encouraged wasteful energy use in emerging economies and Unite States and then panic selling when some trends reversed and once people realised prices didn't reflect current fundamentals. 

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I came to that realisation just as the GFC started, while researching the US market and the inter-dependence of the various manufacturing sectors for materials and their reliance on energy for manufacturing and distribution.

 

The dawning only sheeted home back in 2010 thanks to PDK and steven.

 

As a simple exercise take a simple product such as a packet of seeds, the type you can get off the shelf at a supermarket or a garden centre, and then working backwards try and work out the "energy" and oil content of the ingredients that go into that one small packet, from tilling the soil, to sowing the seed, to harvesting, to distribution, the foil in the packet, printing, packaging, distribution etc etc

 

I get to a figure of at least 80%

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He did say "healthy" inflation.

There is push and pull inflation, pull is spending by consumers as they have $s.

Push is where its costing more but consumers have no more $s...

Im hoping the RB's realise this.

Not so sure.

regards

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Re 7 . I hadn't thought about the tax the government gets on investments in Kiwisaver. Let me see now $200,000,000 per annum on an investment of $5,093,200,000 = 3.9%. This makes the governments contribution seem more like an investment rather than a bribe, but I'm still in shock at the magnitude of the government contribution. Any idea how much tax the government would have got without the bribery of the populace and the fining of the employers to plump the bonuses of the financial services sector?

 

Really, the discussion about Kiwisaver is just appalling.  Is it functioning as a form of employment penalty tax that transfers money from productive business into the pockets of the finance industry? Presumably that leads to a net loss of jobs as employers are penalised for employing people, not to mention acting as unpaid tax collectors. Is there a net gain here really? How do we know? What do we need to measure?

 

Would the government have done better to spend the money on infrastructure, or, I know, not sold the power companies? Where is the discussion on this? Everyone is told Kiwisaver is a good thing, but who are the people who benefit from its promotion? Where is the evidence that it is not just more central planning inefficiency, stupidity and wastage leading to stagnation and decline?

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Hi Roger

What an amazing an eye-opening link!! Thanks. Would it be possible to bring one of these kits into NZ and legaly erect it on a section?

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House kit for US$5000 to US$10000, complete kit including all fittings. Makes you think doesn't it, and they look just like ours, well almost.

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My dad came back from the UK last month, he got 2 taps sets in B&Q for 9 Sterling, here a replacement one was $63NZ.

Probably not to NZ earthquake stds, even so a heavier build cant cost that much more.

regards

 

 

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Someone, surely, could send our earthquake standards to a Chinese manufacturer and produce kits to our code- and then bring shiploads of them into NZ????? I would love to buy a complete house kit for $15,000 to $20,000 nz dollars! and I'll bet I am not the only one. Those houses look fine to me- inside and outside.

 

Maybe we just all have to go $500,000 in debt so we have a place to sleep (NOT).

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Not to EQ stds....

But I wonder on how hard it would be to sheet it in ply to meet....hardly that expensive.

regards

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Possibly not to EQ standards, as you say. Against that they do have earthquakes in China you know and the manufacturers give them an earthquake rating of 8.0. As you say, most residential earthquake strengthening amounts to a few sheets of ply to brace the structure. They also have rain in China too, I believe, so they may also be watertight. Are we just being snobbish?

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But it depends on what market they are made for and frankly knowing chinese made items they will be made to as minimum a spec as possible, and if you dont specify it they will find a way to do it cheaper.

For instance buttons on clothing, specify a button is attached with 24 threads and expect them done 1 at a time? and no, the chinese will do 24 at once and then the buton falls off really quickly.

The other thing would be wood treatment. H1 for the walls H3.x for all the window trim I think is std....from china, it might not be treated at all.

Then there is the power and lighting cables, have to be to std....lots of nasties...

Snobbish, interesting Q, Im sure those with "more money" will turn their noses up. Lockwood has always sold homes here and having seen one, well its fine, Id live in one if thats all the money I had.

Also of course its living in "the right area"  From what I can read/see I think ppl are being un-realistic, a decile 10 scholl area is always going to be expensive.

regards

 

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Yes, shonky and made in China do tend to go together, but that used to apply to made in Hong Kong, Made in Taiwan,  Made in Japan, and made in Korea.

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Im sure that with adequate spec'ing it could be done, trouble is that the manufactuer would want to make 10000s of units and not 10s of, which would be the NZ market.

The big thing here is there is in-sufficient demand and no competition as a result, my Dad's purchases in B&Q in the UK show that.

So NZers earn less and have to pay more.

ouch....

regards

 

 

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better than in a garage or under the bridge, be great returns on a rental. Bigdaddy is goning to love this.

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Yep, though when you look at the actual putting up,

"But enough prelude – what's the price like? A larger three-bedroom transportable costs between $250,000 and $300,000, though that varies hugely.

Bulk production creates some economies of scale, Bell says, but the real advantage is quality, not cost effectiveness."

"quality" ho hum, marketing cw*p(TM) Ive seen some of these, quality didnt spring to mind....

The Q is whats the cost of a Lockwood as a kit in a container delivered to site, which then has to be put up V this American price. 

Container shipped to NZ btw would be $4~5kNZ thats added to that cost I'd assue.

$250k sounds OTT for a Lockwood or equiv.

regards

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they could put a couple of guy's in the container with the kitset, they could put it up when they arrive for free and then just hang around.

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LOL....

ah the nigerian method....

NZ builders and subbies seem to want $35~40 an hour. So it might save a bit of labour....trouble is they also look to make lots of %s on the side of everything.  So Unless its delivered and can be assembled by semi-skilled labourers.........

Which brings us back to not achieving much of a win.

:(

regards

 

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That's true. Remember my mum talking about the reputation of Japanese products in the 1960s. Pencils that always broke, general poor quality. Same improvement may well happen with some Chinese goods, especially with the inflation of labour and manufacturing costs. It will pay to produce a better quality product and charge a bit more for it.

 

Talking about houses, and the general race to the bottom to get things going for the poor refugees of the Auckland property boom, how about these stylish Ikea designs? As used in Kobe Refugee Camp, southern Ethiopia, on the border with Somalia and used to house Somali refugees (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/ikea-shelters-house-somali-re…).

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If I was going to do new, this would be my first hard look at option, or similar.

http://www.ecotechhomes.co.nz/

Really though PDK's method looks very economical and worth a serious contemplate, but of course its not up to what we "expect"

regards

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'We've reached the end of antibiotics': Top CDC expert declares that 'miracle drugs' that have saved millions are no match against 'superbugs' because people have overmedicated themselves

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Not ppl, the medical profession, they happily gave out drugs for decades...

regards

 

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Two causes. One, people going ”I feel better now" and stopping taking their antibiotics, leaving the hardest to kill bugs still alive. Two, prescriptions when they are not needed (childhood ear infections and industrial farming stock food supplement, I'm looking at you).

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I am sorry I can't let 9 pass without comment.  The statement" (l)etting too much (water)  run out to sea and get contaminated with salt is pure waste"  demonstrates a fundamental failure to understand the hydrological cycle. 

 

Rivers carry dissolved salts to the ocean. The salts come from weathering of the land. The water in rivers is already contaminated with salt.  Water evaporates from the oceans to fall again as rain and to feed the rivers, but the salts remain in the ocean. Salts become concentrated in the sea because the Sun's heat distills almost pure water from the surface of the sea and leaves the salts behind. If we interupt the cycle by stopping the water before it gets to the sea and dump it back on land then we dump the dissolved salts on the land ultimately leading to desertification.  I assume that in adopting policies encouraging water storage and irrigation that the powers that be have considered this risk and determined that our high rainfall will mitigate the risk of salinisation of our soils.

 

 

To quote from Oregon State University http://people.oregonstate.edu/~muirp/saliniz.htm

 

 

"Problems with salinization are most commonly associated with excessive water application, rather than with too little...All irrigation water contains dissolved salts derived as it passed over and through the land, and rain water also contains some salts. These salts are generally in very low concentration in the water itself.

 

However, evaporation of water from the dry surface of the soil leaves the salts behind. Perhaps you have seen the whitish salt crust that can result on the surface of soils?

 

Salinization is especially likely to become a problem on poorly drained soils when the groundwater is within 3 m or less of the surface (depending on the soil type). In such cases, water rises to the surface by capillary action, rather than percolating down through the entire soil profile, and then evaporates from the soil surface.

 

Salinization is a worldwide problem, particularly acute in semi-arid areas which use lots of irrigation water, are poorly drained, and never get well flushed. These conditions are found in parts of the Mideast, in China's North Plain, in Soviet Central Asia, in the San Joaquin Valley of CA, and in the Colorado River Basin; all areas where the soil profile never (or rarely) gets well flushed.

 

It is hard to find consistent estimates of how much of the world's irrigated acreage is affected by salinization -- you can find credible sources claiming anywhere between 8 and 32%. Ten to 20% seems to be mid-line for the estimates, globally. Salt concentrations are high enough in much of this irrigated acreage to decrease yields significantly. In extreme cases, land is abandoned because it is too salty to farm profitably."

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I assume that in adopting policies encouraging water storage and irrigation that the powers that be have considered this risk and determined that our high rainfall will mitigate the risk of salinisation of our soils.

 

Afraid not, we have a much better scheme. Import expensive fertiliser ready laced with heavy metals and spread freely around. All approved by the soil scientists, so it must be ok.

 

It turns out we have plenty of the useful stuff in lumps in the mud on the seabed on the Chatham Rise, but actually using it would entail seabed mining so we can't have that now can we. I mean, mining is just so nasty and dirty. Our stuff is not laced with so much in the way of cadmium so presumably it won't get us back to the stone age as fast as the imported stuff, that and it would mean we had to borrow less from overseas bankers, so you see it really is just not a good idea at all really.

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NZ's rainfall is a key and unique national asset. Letting too much of it run out to sea and get contaminated with salt is pure waste.

 

An agreed contestable  point.

 

And I am still wondering why NZ's rainfall is unique.

 

If 'Letting too much of it run out to sea and get contaminated with salt is pure waste' then surely we ought to be addressing the problem at source in Fiordland. Fiordland must be accountable for John Key's statement along the lines of '95% of rainfall flows out to sea'.

 

But full marks to DC for debunking some of the other rainfall myths.

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Spot on, Julienz.

 

The Makgadigadi Pan in Botswana is an example of what happens when you have low water flow, which in this case doesn't even reach the sea. All that salt just collects over the millennia; nothing much will grow in it, and little on the margins. Other examples are Etosha Pan in neighbouring Namibia and Salar de Uyuni in Bolivia. All massive quantities of salt, and lithium which is useful for our love affair with portable power souces in the shape of batteries (http://www.westernlithium.com/what-is-lithium/where-is-it-found).

 

See Google Maps for the Makgadigadi Pan (https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Makgadikgadi+Pan,+Central,+Botswana&hl…).

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Oh dear , it's not Labour's Day ...

 

... the latest Fairfax-Ipso Facto political poll has Little Johnny & the Gnats on over 50 % support ! ... Labour is trailing by 17 points ... way way back on 33.6 % ....

 

... the Cunny honeymoon is over !

 

[ as reported in the NZ Harold ]

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I am going to express some doubts about the comparability of Ipsos polls to other polls- you can see that in their undecided voter rate of 17-21% compared to other polls finding a rate of 5-8%.

That said, if this poll reflects reality it would be a truly remarkable turn around for National to have achieved.

 

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Ha Ha ha GBH...don't chew go gettin yerself all excited fer nothing ..Jonny n the Nats is all washed up , done fer.

 Ain't no poll gonna fix that, people being what they are will decide he had a turn and their lives didn't change 1 iota...no Sir just same horse shit from a different horse.

 Now we only got two horses , a pony an a rocking horse, to choose from aside from a foul minded preacher, an a criminal impersonating Biggles, so it's always going to be up n down till the people decide whether or not they can spare the time to have their say.

But don't you worry none , the No vote will be the leadshot in John Boys belly, wheter he pretends it don't matter none or not. 

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... settle down yerself Count , ain't no call fer gettin' all in a tizzwold ... ole Gummy b'aint voting for those candy ass pinko leftie Gnats ...

 

Nedder has , an nedder will ... least ways , not until they regains the grit , girds the loins , and gets back to supporting the free market mechanism ...

 

... hooooo yeah , baby ... come 2014 , when it's voting time again .... Gummie's gonna drag out the flippin' coin once more ... can't seriously be admittin' to voting in good conscience fer any dem Labour & Gnat goombahs ...

 

No sirrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeee ! ... b'aint that the truth ... lawdy lawdy , amen brother ...

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They are a bunch. When is any of these weak kneed commie journalists going to shine a light  on how overpaid the people in the NZ government really are? In general they are paid more than their equivalents in economies many times the size and yet this is never questioned. John Key gets $410,000, David Cameron gets GBP 142,000 for an economy 12 times the size. His pay is reasonable by comparison to the senior civil serpents pay.

http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-the-prime-ministers-salary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

http://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs/government/elected-government-represent…

 

The chap in charge of the RBNZ gets paid more than the chap in charge of the RBA or the Federal Reserve of the USA. This is a bizarre form of cultural cringe.

http://www.kathylien.com/site/ecb/salaries-of-central-bank-governors

 

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here is an interesting speech by Charlie Munger......  about academic economics and to what extent it is a little bit...  crazy... (quite a few failed ides have come out of academic economics.)

http://www.tilsonfunds.com/MungerUCSBspeech.pdf

 

Especially page 14-17 ..where he talks about higher order effects  ( unintended consequences).

eg. One of the principle reasons for free trade is Ricardos idea of comparative advantage.

He uses the example of USA and China and concludes with a talk he had with George Schultz.

Initially Comparative advantage has made USA consumers better off... but the longer term consequences (higher order effects ) are/will be disastorous.

This speech was in 2003

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I'd say the way pollies have perverted economics to their own ends has been far more prevalent and disastrous.

regards

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Excellent top 10 from David Chaston. Congratualtions.

The writeup on Kiwisaver has lifted my understanding.  I think as balances rise and there will be a higher interest in the minds of savers.  Interest.co is leading the way in the general rise in financial IQ that will be an outcome from Kiwisaver.

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Inflation.  Been there, done that.  And have not forgotten it's horrors.

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No. 8 -  where does  the average figure of 4.4% before tax for 1 yr term deposits come from?  I looked at the list on interest.co.nz and would estimate the average to be more like 3.9% for one year.

The NZ Super fund is a great big lump of money that is invested for the long term i.e. several decades.  One bunch of people decides how that is invested.

KiwiSaver is about 2 million different lumps of money that might be cashed in tomorrow, next week, next year, or at any time up to 2078.   2 million people decide where that money is invested.   Totally different kettle of bananas.

 

 

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Austin:

 

The 4.4% (actually 4.42%) comes from weighting the actual average TD rates from 2008 in the proportion of each year's average FUM (Funds Under Management). Yearly, from 2008, the TD rates are 8.64%, 4.86%, 4.82%, 5.15%, 4.30%, 4.18%, all gross for a 1 year term.

 

Although in theory everyone could show up and withdraw at the same time, that is not how a professional money manager would work it. They would calculate the 'replicating portfolio' and know that most is in for the long term, and make a [small] provision for expected redemptions.

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David - Thanks for the explanation.  I see what you mean on reading it again.

On your other point, the NZ Super scheme took a right hammering post GFC (-22% in 08/09) and was also negative in the following year.    This is fine for a fund like that.   Would individual KiwiSavers have been comfortable with that kind of volatility?  

A KiwiSaver member who wants long-term aggressive performance with all the volatility that comes with it, could reasonably compare the performance of NZ Super.    As most members do not fit that description, I think the comparison is not suitable across-the-board.     

 

 

 

 

 

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#9 - right on, DC.  Ignore the rent-a-quoters.Took meself a leetle road trip in the big SUV this very weekend,

  • Waitaki was running high and dirty. 600+ cumecs
  • Rakaia wide, high and dirty.  Been 1500+, down around 500 now.
  • Waimak wide, high and dirty.  Been 1200+, down around 400 now.

 

And dinnae ferget that there has been small-scale water abstraction for around 130 years - races, stock water, limited irrigation - in all these catchments, especially down-country.  Deleterious effects would have shown up by now.

 

So, taking those luvverly flood peaks off into stilling basins and storage, is just absolutely common sense.

 

Just ask one of the main proponents of this exact approrach - Ngai Tahu.....

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"Deleterious effects would have shown up by now."

 

Perhaps they have:

In Canterbury, from 1995 to 2004, nitrate concentrations in groundwater have increased in about 20% of wells, most of which were in the lower plains. If it is in the water then it is also in the soil. We are hearing advice that mothers in Canterbury towns should take great care before using well water to mix baby formula because of the risk of blue baby syndrome.  Anything to do with all those irrigators on the way to Mt Hutt?

When I discuss salinisation I am not meaning table salt but rather the wider chemical defintion of a salt - a chemical compound formed when part of an acid is replaced by a metal or something like a metal.

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"prime area" Auckalnd, is this why we are getting a boom? its a global effect?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/sheiks-and-princelings-and-…

 

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andrewj said:

"increasing costs in transport taxes, fuel taxes, rates etc., ie, its from the growth of government. "

Wrong, wrong, wrong.  Those fees and taxes were increased substantially by your Nats so they could give their mates billions in income tax reductions (for those of them who actually pay income taxes).  Just their tickle up policy.

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While I can appreciate your point, not really. Yes there is some clawback via these which is regressive, but really labour have been no better....and show no signs of improvement.

So Id class boith as incompetant, just in different ways , the end result is the same, the mess you see.

Outside of that our problems come down to expensive energy and minerals....and its going to get worse...and there is no profit in it, taht leaaves financial wizardry, so the mess will get worse.

regards

 

 

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