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Bernard's Top 10: NZ's new cash sniffing devices; Those amazing Dutch farmers; China's new securitisation boom; John Key talking about Mr Slater; Oily cartoons galore; Dilbert

Bernard's Top 10: NZ's new cash sniffing devices; Those amazing Dutch farmers; China's new securitisation boom; John Key talking about Mr Slater; Oily cartoons galore; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 items from around the Internet over the last week or so. As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz

See all previous Top 10s here.

My must read is #6 on Dutch farming. I also hope you enjoy the political cartoons I've sprinkled through today. I needed a laugh at the expense of messrs Slater et al.

1. Renting apartments - Sometimes it's useful to look at the US housing market to understand some of the trends globally.

This CFA institute piece looks at the relative growth in building of what it calls 'multi-family' dwellings (we'd describe them as town-houses and apartments) relative to the growth of single family dwellings (which for us would be a house and land package).

It turns out multi-family dwellings are growing much quicker. Much of the growth is coming from rental property owners, rather than owner occupiers.

America's struggling low to middle income earners are less able to buy their own home, let alone an apartment.

So instead they're renting and a certain group that can afford it are gearing up to build and buy these apartments.

Meanwhile, rents are rising faster than incomes.

Not sure it's going to end well, but it's a thing over in America.

The chart below tells the story.

A secular movement towards multifamily housing led by demographics and changing preferences is a trend going forward. Further aiding this shift in our domestic housing “mix” is the relative looseness in multifamily housing credit availability compared to single-family credit, which remains much tighter than pre-crisis times.

The favorable financing environment is a great thing for the developers of multifamily housing, but the economic picture is a lot more negative for the average renter as rent prices continue to hit new highs with vacancy rates at multi-decade lows. Given that wage growth has remained anemic, renters across the country have been unable to keep up with rent increases, putting a strain on disposable income.

The investor community needs to wake up and stop waiting for a substantial rebound in single family housing, as multifamily housing has already rebounded and will exhibit most of the growth going forward

2. Remember Enron? - It doesn't seem like that long ago, but a few people hope we've all forgotten. Bloomberg reports a bunch of San Francisco accountants who formed a firm from the ashes of Arthur Andersen have renamed themselves AndersenTax.

I wonder if we'll ever see Hanover Property Finance or Bridgecorp Bank... Perhaps not in my lifetime. Mark Hotchin may have other views. And ways of disseminating those views.

The new identity is designed to capitalize on the defunct firm’s reputation for quality work -- before it was sullied in 2002 by charges of document shredding and obstructing a Justice Department investigation into book-cooking at Enron.

“Our issues with Enron were the mistake of a few,” said Mark Vorsatz, WTAS’s chief executive officer, who started the company 12 years ago with 22 other former Andersen partners. “Irrespective of Enron, we thought we were the benchmark in the industry.”

3. Cash sniffing device - This is purely for fun and because I know people love pet pictures on the Internet. I get all sorts of press releases in my in-box from ministers, but I hadn't expected this one from Nicky Wagner announcing the Customs Service had just employed the services of two new dogs.

They're specifically trained to sniff for large amounts of cash. It should remind us all there's plenty of dodgy deals going on out there in our clean little country. They can sniff for cash and drugs. Throw in truffles and these black labs would be worth their weight in gold. Not sure if they could sniff for gold though...

The movement of large sums of cash is often linked to illegal activities, so these dogs and their handlers play an important role in targeting the proceeds of crime and disrupting criminal networks,” Ms Wagner says.

Customs has five cash dogs working in Auckland (including Rajax and Xaria), one in Wellington, and one working in the South island.  All seven dogs can also detect drugs.

More than $3 million in undeclared or concealed cash has been detected since the cash detector programme was launched in 2013.

Here's Andrew Baker and Xaria.

4. Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble - I can almost hear the sound of hand-wringing from Glenn Stevens across the ditch in Australia.

The Reserve Bank of Australia Governor commented yesterday that he's concerned about a potential housing bubble in Australia.

He's not doing anything about it, but he is worried. Although, at least he's not cutting rates any more.

Despite assurances from the country's big banks and a range of economists that current house prices and levels of household debt are sustainable, a growing group of commentators is warning of the risk of a correction, particularly in the hottest markets of Sydney and Melbourne. 

"As for things that monetary policy should try to avoid, we are also cognisant of the fact that monetary policy does work initially by affecting financial risk-taking behaviour," Mr Stevens said.

"In our efforts to stimulate growth in the real economy, we don't want to foster too much build-up of risk in the financial sector, such that people are over-extended. That could leave the economy exposed to nasty shocks in the future. The more prudent approach is to try to avoid, so far as we can, that particular boom-bust cycle," he said.

"It is stating the obvious that at present, while we may desire to see a faster reduction in the rate of unemployment, further inflating an already elevated level of housing prices seems an unwise route to try to achieve that."

5. China's securitisation boom - Speaking of things ending (not) well, here's Rabobank explaining how China's local government financing vehicles are now rushing around borrowing in bond markets.

Sigh.

Here's the detail:

China is bringing local government financing out of the ‘shadows’ by allowing them to borrow from the bond market. That will bring down the cost of borrowing, hopefully, but won’t address the trajectory of debt (i.e., ever higher): in fact it will likely do the opposite.

At the same a Chinese securitization boom is underway, USD19.7bn in issuance so far in 2014 (backed by mortgages, auto loans, and railway loans). There’s huge further upside in that trend given how many loans Chinese banks would no doubt like to get off their books.

Luckily, economic history clearly shows nothing could possibly go wrong from shifting assets off of balance sheets into a slowing economy with a wobbling housing market,...right?

6. Those canny Dutch farmers - New Zealand has quite a few Dutch dairy farmers and the CEO of Fonterra is Dutch.

We could learn a thing or two from the Dutch. Here's an Economist piece explaining how the Netherlands is the world's second biggest food exporter behind America, which has 200 times Holland's land mass.

The Dutch are very good at using technology to sustainably increase productivity. It's no coincidence that Theo Spierings said last year that New Zealand was 10 years behind Europe when it came to environmental and sustainability issues.

Under pressure from government and consumers, new technology and improved farming techniques are cleaning up Dutch farms. The newest stables are built so that manure is instantly removed by underground conveyor belts. At 14kg per animal, annual emissions of ammonia—a measure of how effectively farmers deal with excess dung—are now second only to Denmark and far better than the European Union average of 25kg.

The newest machines developed in Dutch laboratories rely on hovering cameras to tell them which tomato plants need a dose of pesticides, reducing use by at least 85%. Some greenhouses have solar panels and are energy producers rather than consumers: carbon-dioxide emissions have been cut by excellent insulation which means excess heat can be recycled and stored for winter by warming ground water, or turned into power for neighbouring houses; over 10% of electricity in the Netherlands is produced in this way

7. Thinning out the middle class - Callam Pickering reports at BusinessSpectator on some MIT research into what robotics might mean for the structure of the workforce and wages in future. We should all aim to be bosses in future.

Rather than destroying jobs -- as is commonly reported -- Autor argues that robotics and computerisation has polarised the labour force by thinning out the middle class. The winners tend to be at the top of the income distribution -- alternatively the owners of capital -- while the middle-class has seen their opportunities and wages decline.

In practical terms, humans tend to be relative better at performing jobs at the top and bottom of the income distribution. Furthermore, new technology has enhanced productivity for some roles at the top end of the distribution, particularly for professional, managerial or technical positions.

But jobs across the middle of the income distribution have thinned. Autor finds that ‘middle-skill’ roles -- such as sales, office and administrative workers, and production workers -- accounted for 60 per cent of US employment in 1979. That share had declined to 49 per cent in 2007 and 46 per cent in 2012. A similar trend was apparent in Europe.

8. How might this end? - China's cash-strapped property developers, who are now slashing prices to clear inventory, are also now borrowing heavily offshore, Bloomberg reports.

One of the arguments made by China bulls is that China can handle its debt because it is mostly internal. I wonder how much longer that will be true for.

Homebuilders in the world’s second-largest economy got $5.9 billion from foreign banks, up 39 percent from the same period last year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Builder debt has soared to 128 percent of equity, the highest since 2005, according to a Bloomberg Intelligence gauge of 84 companies. New home prices fell in July in almost all cities the government tracks and developers are missing sales targets.

“Higher leverage on the balance sheet will give developers a higher financial burden,” said Agnes Wong, credit strategist at Nomura Holdings Inc. in Hong Kong. “That means that if presales are not going as quick as they expect it can translate into trouble more easily than before.”

Premier Li Keqiang is allowing builders to expand financing channels in a bid to stem the slowdown in an economy that derived 16 percent of its growth from property development last year, according to the World Bank. Sino-Ocean Land Holdings Ltd., whose free cash flow in 2013 dropped to a third of the previous year, led the borrowing with an $800 million loan.

9. Here comes solar - Here's an FTAlphaville piece from a big UBS report on how solar power, electric cars and electric batteries are on the verge of being economically viable, which would reshape the electricity sector.

The analysts’ most controversial point is that solar really is on the edge of becoming economically viable (without government subsidies) due in part to recent complementary developments in battery and electric vehicle technology.

"Solar panels and batteries will be disruptive technologies. Solar is at the edge of being a competitive power generation technology. The biggest drawback has been its intermittency. This is where batteries and electric vehicles (EVs) come into play. Battery costs have declined rapidly, and we expect a further decline of >50% by 2020. By then, a mass segment EV will have almost the same sticker price as a combustion engine car. But it will save up to €2,000 per year on fuel cost, hence, it will begin to pay off almost immediately without any meaningful upfront “investment”. This is why we expect a rapidly growing penetration with EVs, in particular in countries with high fossil fuel prices.

"Thanks to EV-driven economies of scale, we also expect the cost of stationary batteries to drop c50% by 2020. Based on our proprietary analysis, battery storage should become financially attractive for family homes when combined with a solar system (and an EV). As a consequence, we expect transformational changes in the utility and auto sectors, which we discuss in this report."

10. Totally John Key talking in February about his regular chats with Cameron Slater. Just watch it to decide what you think about all this Dirty Politics stuff. Presented without comment. The context is that he was being asked how he found out about Winston Peters visiting Kim Dotcom's mansion. He denied it was the SIS and almost admits that Slater was the source.

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John Key has gone from saying "Cameron Slater" to "Mr Slater" to "that blogger".

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and in private he is saying "that b$#*!<>"

 

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People around the World are watching how the NZ people deal with the latest violations of our democracy and freedom..

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/09/new-zealand-crooks-buddies-whale…

 

I remember watching the heartbreaking impotence of the Greek people against the Vampire Squid- and the intelligent and feisty response of the Icelandic population. Let us all be Icelandic and reclaim our Lovely Land!!

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That is one excellent summary, everyone should read it. The NZ Herald is shown up as being, at best, willing dupes, at worst, who knows........Fran Sullivan, hang your head in shame.

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In my opinion the NZHerald is very, very left leaning.  They don't need much encouragment to slam National and JK. 

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Funny thing but that depends on where YOU sit it seems.

Personally I think they are fairly centralist or to the right a bit.

regards

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+1 for your humour.

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For six years the Herald has faithfully published National propaganda as fact and I suspect they are now a little embarrassed to find they have been duped all along. So the Herald seems to be belatedly playing catch up.

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Idon''t know about people around the world watching us but i can tell you that amongst my 30 plus co workers these violations as you call them have been mentioned to me by 3 people.More of them seem to be concerned about Labour unable to get a decent foothold in the polls despite National imploding over the last 18 months or so.So while the media might be obssessed with all this normal joe public in what i have witnessed don't seem to care.

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As politics gets more childish, does satire get harder for you?

Yes. Take Sarah Palin — so many Republicans love her. I suddenly realized that in order to actually understand that someone is not very bright — or to be brutal, that they’re rather stupid — you really have to be more intelligent than them. Most Republicans aren’t smarter than Sarah Palin. It’s true.

 

Maybe John Cleese has the answer

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Well the biggest violation to democracy and freedom is to have mob rule.....without any regards to the documents that make the individuals rights....

 

 

 

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Thank you , seeing that out- of- control screaming mob led by that German fella was enough to get John Key voted back in

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And if it takes down John Key - I can just see the headlines around the world:

 

Ex-Wall Street trader loses Prime Ministership over Dirty Tricks allegations.

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Mr Hickey - I can remember once upon a time when you would mention Cathy Odgers blog here on interest.co.nz in a more than positive light. You will have no doubt had extensive dealings with her in the past few years. Given the recent allegations that she was involved in trying to ensure the new media organization you attemped to set up a few years ago was stillborn (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10447644/Bloggers-targeted-bus…) how do you look upon her now?

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With Paunch and Judy can we assume that JK was the puppetteer ???

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Herald trying to redeem itself, latest revelations:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11319024

Collins and Slater appear as bosom pals according to this.

 

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#3 No need to train dogs my wife has been sniffing money out for years especially mine.

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I'm surprised that Labour is still keen to throw mud around, since dirty politics broke National has gone down in the polls but so has Labour.  That big beneficiaries of the whole thing is the parties not at all involved, NZ First and the Conservatives.  It's clear that both these parties will side with National after the election and both (especially the Conservatives) will force National to make a dramatic shift to the right.  The irony is if National is forced to have coalition partners NZ politics will take a dramatic shift to the right which is (I suspect) the exact opposite of what dirty politics and whaledump were planning. 

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People still claiming this is all by Labour without any evidence at all, but still seem happy to deny all the evidence against the sleazy underhand politics shown in the book. Odd?

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Your completely missing the point, this is the left's attempt to win an election, all it's doing is lurching the country dramatically to the right. 

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You should be ecstatic then!

We will all know when Winnie casts his vote.

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And you must be g-u-t-t-e-d

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Not-at-all, Buddy

Just enjoying the free- for- all  for another few days.......

......and relishing that I will be overseas and away in the Aussie bush for the election.

It's a great life trying to spend our NZ Super before the NZ dollar screws up and taking advantage of  a tanked Oz economy.

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Good to see you've finally given up on the antiquated Labour party, the sooner the Greens become the dominant left wing party the sooner the left will regain some sense of legitimacy. 

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Again, you have no evidence of this. You state it is left because their opinion is different to what you believe in or maybe it is just that certain National party MP's have been caught out.

There is evidence of dodgy dealings within National, do you believe them?

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#6 I think the bigger Dutch Farming story is the big decrease in the use of antibiotics, in a "preventing antibiotics resistant superbugs" kind of way.

http://modernfarmer.com/2014/06/abstinence-method/

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Cunliffe has been embarrassed again today as it turns out he doesn't know the details of his own CGT policy.  He's saying that unless people panic sell an inherited home within a month of the death of their parents Labour will smack them with a CGT. 

 

"Sorry for your loss, here's a giant tax bill ! ! !"

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Actually there is no need for a CGT. 

We already have one and if applied dogmatically would have far greater effect on the property market than anything envisaged by Labour.

Simple. If you own a property producing income, it is a business and it's capital value change is subject to tax even if you have owned it for many years. You expect that you are going to make a gain especially if the income is less than an alternative market is offering.

Bingo.

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the law is already clear and common use backs this, that the property if purchased "for trade" produces a profit then it is taxable trading activity.  However if the trading activity is not using the property as stock (eg rental) then the property is considered Plant, not Stock.  Depreciated Plant could be disposed of at book value without tax, If the price was above book value, but below purcahse value, then that was a profit on disposal, which is taxable (for plant and houses)!!!
 But if the Plant was disposed of, at a value higher than the purchase price then it was considered that the market itself had devalued, and so any amount above depreciated book value was reguarded as the correct depreciated value for the Plant/Property. Only the last years depreciation would need to be creditted back, and no tax was payable as there was no actual profit on disposal (due to market environment, movement)

CGT is attemptign to claim that market movement is profit on speculation, all income being equal.

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Absolutely. And where property is different is that most other plant is a naturally depreciating asset. Because property is a two headed monster ( building and land) it should be considered as it actually is. No one ever attempted to depreciate the land even under the previously available rules.

Time for IRD to wake up and try to correct the issue.

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It's not what Labour says that worries me, it's what they're leaving out.  This is just the first step, give it a year or few and it will quitely be expanded to cover anything and everything, mark my words.  In the UK they call them stealth taxes.  Every other country where a CGT exists it covers the family home, inheritance, just about everything. 

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Hypothetical question... if I were to hack the computer of a left wing blogger would I find evidence of attack politics from left wing politicians?  If Labour is claiming that they do not ever feed information to the press and bloggers they should be comfortable for a full inquiry which involves them handing over their servers and hard drives...

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Hypothetical answer. If you hacked the computer of anyone (left wing blogger or not) and found evidence of criminal activity, then your criminal actions of hacking do not negate the evidence of criminal actions you uncovered. You might uncover evidence that they are horrible people as well, and engage in attack politics, but that is different to and independent of criminal acts.

Are you seriously trying to argue that only "nice" people (for value of people who politics you agree with) are allowed to have crimes against them investigated, because that is what you seem to be aiming for with this mixing up "niceness" with "actual crimes which have actual years in prison as punishments".

If there is a characteristic of totalitarian states, it is that those in power are not subject to the laws that everyone else is. Why are you seeming to be such a supporter of those in power not having their evidence of crimes investigated?

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straw man argument, I said nothing of the sort.  What I said was if you're going to investigate, investigate everyone.  This election could be decided by anonymous bloggers and unproven accusations, people shouldn't be making decisions on such 'information'.  Why wasn't this info released 6 months ago so it can go through proper channels and be properly filtered...  The timing was designed to ensure minimum criteque but maximum PR damage, the truth be damned. 

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There is no evidence to investigate for Labour though, where woudl you start? Open acces to all their communications?

 

Now, National have been caught out, are you denying they should investigate where there is shown evidence?

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Great point!  Where do you start...  you would need someone to illegally hack into Labour's computers, just like what was done to Slaters.  But that's illegal, isn't it, which is wrong, but OK if you sit on the left of NZ politics and it suits your goals.   

 

The average Kiwi can smell that this reaks of hypocrisy, that's part of the reason Labour is going down with National in the polls. 

 

"Open acces to all their communications?" - yes, we've seen Nationals dirty laundry, now lets see Labours, and Winstons, and everyone else.  

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The foundation of your argument is "illegally hacked"

 

That has not yet been proven - it's only Cameron Slaters say so - but you believe it

 

It is quite possible that Slater has a turncoat in his midst - his own Corporal Bradley Manning - if you will - who copied the internal office copies onto a USB memory stick and handed it over to Rawshark

 

a traitor in his midst

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exactly my point and the problem with the current politics in this country, trial by media and the bloggisphere. 

 

"That has not yet been proven - it's only Cameron Slaters say so - but you believe it"

 

I could just as easily say:

"That has not yet been proven - it's only Nicky Hager say so - but you believe it"

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.. ..latterly , I've become such a conspiracy theorist that I don't even believe that you really are happy ...

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No I don't think you can say that the Hager+Hacker revelations are unproven - as any number of the people who have had their conversations posted have indeed stated that these were their conversations.

 

See for example, today's subject posts between Jordan Williams (a lawyer and Exec Director of the Taxpayers Union) and Cameron Slater - and Jordan Williams' Facebook apology for saying some of the things he said;

 

https://www.facebook.com/jwilliamsnz/posts/562601247631

 

He even thanks the hacker for redacting some of the more offensive bits and protecting the identities of those that he had said things about.

 

Anyway, point is, I think we can safely say that the conversations are genuine.

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No need for an inquiry then?  No need for a judge and jury...  Just lock em up and throw away the key... 

 

Kate's own Guantanamo Bay. 

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No, I think whatever influence Cameron Slater and his non-governmental cronies might have had in the past has been well and truly sunk. They are persona non grata no matter who wins the election.  As for the government officials (both elected and non-elected) the OIA will be used extensively in future (again no matter who the government is and/or whether there is a government appoiinted Royal Commission or not) to root out any official corruption over time. I suspect the Ombudsman's office will receive additional funding to ensure this potential additional work can be got through in an efficient manner where reluctance on behalf of those officials to release such information is concerned.

 

In other words, the back has been broken on government corruption - all that remains to be done is for the perpetrators to lose their jobs in future.

 

 

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I have an acquaintance who used to work in the National party and we had been discussing the changes over the past few years.  One big one, not liked, was those with the, 'eye on the future'.   That so many are now trying to get into politics because they see it as a path for personal advancement, its just a stepping stone.    Look at the likes of Shipley and Clarke, many want to follow in the footsteps of Blair and the Clintons. Use their time in parliament to make good contacts which you then leverage off when you leave, become an ambassador perhaps.  This opens a can of worms re coercion and manipulation. They are not representing the best interests of the electorate, the days of working to make NZ a better place become second fiddle to self interest and greed.  It attracts the wrong sort of person into politics and then reinforces poor behaviour.   Even Fed Farmers and Meat board executives find themselves on world trade delegations upon retirement.    Where has integrity gone?   “Real integrity is doing the right thing, knowing that nobody’s going to know whether you did it or not.”  ― Oprah Winfrey   “There are seven things that will destroy us: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Religion without sacrifice; Politics without principle; Science without humanity; Business without ethics.”   — Mahatma Gandhi
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Great Gandhi quote - a real prophet, that man.

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... he forgot the 8'th thing that will destroy us :

 

Marlboros without filter tips ...

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What caused Judith Collins to 'resign' wasn't the 'whaledump' by Rawshark but copies of Judith's emails supplied by Cathy Odger regarding a Serious Fraud Office investigation.

 

Nothing to do with illegal hacking and not caused by Cameron Slater.

 

This also can be seen as corroborating evidence for the Dirty Politics book.

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Precisely

I was puzzled by that

Do you think Odgers has turned on Slats

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I don't know. Maybe Key needed something bad but not too bad and this deniable 'evidence' was available. Maybe there is no honour among thieves. I note that Mathew Hooten has turned on the conspirators too.

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It is not like Collins will actually be gone- she is number #6 on the party list. If national get back in and don't need NZ First, my sweepstake is the second major cabinet reshuffle.

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dh, I normally agree with everything you say, but Collins political career is surely toast forever. Her only small chance at redemption is to admit that her behavior has been absolutely disgraceful. She doesn't seem the type to make that admission.

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aside from Labour's computers actually being hacked by Slater and Ede (accidentally posted down thread) Slater was not hacked because he was from the right, he was hacked for being a horrible person (in the words of the hacker to the Herald).

Based on what the Hacker has told the Herald this was not about politics, it was about when Slater called the dead west coast man a feral that was better dead. As a result of him being hacked for that, the evidence of illegal actions by the Government was uncovered, and the hacker seems motivated to use it to take down Slater and his "network". 

to give you your own hypothetical If a employee is cooking the books, and is carrying the evidence in their briefcase, and get mugged, then the briefcase is later dropped by the mugger, gets handed in to police and the police look at it to see who the briefcase belongs to. you seem to have this weird argument that the evidence of criminal action should only be used if  the employer can make public all thier accounts. What has the employer got to do with it? Other than being a victim? What has labour got to do with it? Other than being a victim?

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Sorry dh,  when did someone hack the Labour website ?  I think I've missed that news somewhere

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It is not the gossiping between MPs and bloggers. It is the manipulating of public services. The way offical documents are released. Undermining investigations and so on.

It is a problem of governance not political party's.

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Allegations...  Nothing proven in a court of law or by any other reasonable measure.  What if it turns out that JC's if totally vindicated and it turns out that dirty politics and it's anonymous friend made it all up.  It wil have effected ...our... elections without being proven, trial by media and the bloggisphere. 

 

Another hypothetical, if I start anonymously blogging that DC has been, say, stealing tax payers money, and because of my info he loses an election that, before the release of my info, the polls show he would be winning.  After the election it turns out it was all made up, is that fair?  Should the election be re-run?  Is Rawshark just the next level of dirty politics?

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I'm not stalking you - honest.

But the counter to your arguement is that JC, Slater et all are not denying anything, they are just saying it is like it sounds and the left are muck spreading. Maybe they should come out and deny it is all true?

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Maybe someone should hack the computer of a left wing blogger and see what attack politics the left has been carrying out....

I've said on here many times, I believe politicians (both left and right) use the media, including bloggers, all the time.  If it comes out that the left has engaged in dirty politics also will you lot be crying foul just as loud?

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Happy you are going around in circles. John Key had a chance to explain himself in a sensible way. To explain issues like how SIS documents got released. He chose not to have an intelligent discussion with the public and now he is suffering the consequences.

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I note you neatly dodged the point of my last post, why shouldn't the left also be hacked and all their private emails exposed?

 

If we're going to talk about dirty laundry, lets see everyones....

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Because there is a big difference between the gossiping of MPs and bloggers and the undermining of trusted public institutions by their own Ministers.

 

Labour is not in government so it is impossible for them to undermine public institutions for their own political ends. It is the governments responsibility to account for its goverance practices. That means John Key who is the leader of the government.

 

Happy123 you are cynically throwing the sh...t around as a continuation of Dirty Politics. You know the more cynical that the public becomes of politicians the more it helps the 'right'. By lowering voter turnout and eliminating centerist politicians. That is the whole theory as expoused by Lusk in the creation of the Dirty Political machine.

 

You Happy123 are a small cog in that machine and I can smell the stench from here.

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"undermining of trusted public institutions by their own Ministers" - prove it in a court of law, till then it's trial by the media which, I hope, you don't condone. 

 

"know the more cynical that the public becomes of politicians the more it helps the 'right'."

 

Your clutching at straws, National never started throwing the mud around, the left did and now it's hurting you in the polls and you want it to stop.  Here's a couple of headlines for you:

 

"Labour's support among men has fallen to just 18.4 per cent in today's Herald-DigiPoll survey, taking a traditional gender gap in support for the party to a new low.

When David Cunliffe took over as leader in September last year, Labour was polling at 37.7 per cent and it was supported by 32.2 per cent of men.

National's polling has barely flickered in the three weeks since the Dirty Politics book was launched"

 

You Brendon are a small cog in the lefts online propaganda machine and I can smell the stench from here.

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Like it or not John Key and his Ministers will face trial in the Court of Public Opinion. There will be an election in two weeks and every 3 years after that. I not only condone it I am incredibly thankful for the fact we live in a democracy.

 

Given our constitutional arrangements whereby the accused (John Key and his Government Ministers) get to decide what they are charged with and who will trial them then I am very doubtful that our 'Courts' can do justice by this issue.

 

Labour is probably being damaged as much as National with the media attention on dirty politics. Especially because they need media time to explain there new policies, such as KiwiBuild, Kiwisaver/Reserve Bank changes and so on. Given how a lot of the media can't discuss anything longer than a 30 second sound bite these issues are difficult for them to address.

 

I see that you deny that a faction of the National party has been engaging in a style of politics of 'giving back double', 'attack politics' or 'Dirty Politics'. That this approach is a deliberate campaign strategy promoted by the political consultants such as Simon Lusk.

 

Simon Lusk openly acknowledged this negative dumbing down style of engaging with the public lowers voter turnout, drives out centerist politicians and polarises the political discourse. The 'right' wins due to their supporters being more likely to vote in low voter turnout elections. As a country we all lose because the issues we should be debating are ignored by the dumbing down process.

 

There are many on the right who disagree with this approach, including Bill English. I suspect many honourable people here on Interest.co.nz whose natural inclination is to the right find it distasteful being associated with this strategy (even if indirectly).

 

As to whether I am a small cog in a propaganda machine. I am probably left of centre in my political inclination. I am not connected to any political party. Many here know that I have an interest in affordable housing, infrastructure, decentralisation and pluralistic constitutional arrangements. I promote these viewpoints as is my right as a private citizen.

 

I don't think I am smelly.

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>50% reduction in battery prices in less than 6 years?  Dream on.

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That's what Tesla is planning, helped by state subsidies. Nevada is the successful bidder.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-nevada-gigafactory-20140903-story.html

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Watching John Key's eyes is a very good way to tell when he is is stirring or when he is fudging the truth.  When he is just talking he blinks normally but when he is fudging he seldom blinks at all.  It is so obvious.

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totes

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And the lick of the lips - just before he says "Heaps". (of bloggers he talks to)

 

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Big call Patricia.......if you are being asked random questions that require recall of information then it is quite normal to not blink during the process as the brain brings the image or data to the fore. Some people will blink and or close their eyes for a brief moment which is done to clear other information that is present to allow the necesary recall.

Normal blinking patterns is short pieces of information that is easily accessed.

 

The body follows the mind....the mind follows the breath....if you don't believe me try inhaling and talking  or singing. And if you try inhaling when someone tell you their name you'll remember it.

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The great thing about visuals is after being on the planet for some decades you start to tell if someone is being thruthful or not.  Personally I find like Patrica the more you watch someone the more you can fathom their body langauge. Some ppl are of course better at it than others, (and some at hiding it or not, JK, not IMHO) obviously this is another one of notyourstrengths.

regards

 

 

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I have no issues in people putting up or debating the facts......it adds interest and variety....but really you do need to grow up a lot.I'm starting to think you are a vitiate vocabulary vulture!!!

 

 

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A huge amount of human genetics and brain power goes into interpreting the real intentions of other humans.

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Agree, watching his body language and listening to his words I dont think he's a good poker player or actor.

regards

 

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the left, in fact the actual Labour Party, were hacked. We have the messages between Slater and Ede (who was working for the Prime Minister at the time) congratulating each other on not getting caught. 

If they had found anything illegal, I think they would have made it public.

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The farce begins with a stoush in the High Court with

11th Century common law versus 21st Century modern technology

 

Slater wants to injunct all Media preventing them from publishing his emails

 

The basis of his claim is again his Gmail and Facebook accounts were hacked

 

Trouble is he can never prove how the emails were obtained

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The best hacks are accomplished using social engineering...which often means the person with the end data hasn't actually committed any crime.

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#6 Speirlings has forgotten to mention NZ dairy farmers are more than 10 years behind in receiving subsidies from government compared to their Dutch counterparts.

#9... I'm sure I've heard that before...in fact I know I've heard it about every ten years like clockwork.

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and the future is

http://www.frieslandcampina.com/english/financial/milkprice.aspx

Meadow Milk - as if

Cows in the meadow are a typical feature of the Dutch countryside. FrieslandCampina promotes outdoor grazing by offering its member dairy farmers a special premium. Starting from 2012, this outdoor grazing premium has been increased from EUR 0.05 to EUR 0.50 per 100 kg of milk. To receive the premium, the dairy farmer must allow his dairy cows to graze outdoors at least six hours a day on a minimum of 120 days a year. There is also a partial outdoor grazing arrangement for dairy farmers who do not meet the meadow milk standards, but do allow a quarter of their herd to graze in the meadow on a minimum of 120 days a year.

and (Seeing Is Believing)

Stichting Weidegang

Stichting Weidegang (Outdoor Grazing Foundation, Dutch website) was set up to promote the visibility of cows in the Dutch countryside. The foundation provides member dairy farmers with advice on outdoor grazing. To encourage outdoor grazing, farmers who meet certain conditions also receive a special outdoor grazing premium. FrieslandCampina is one of the initiators of Stichting Weidegang.

 

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100kg milk = 10 kgMS approx.
0.50 Eur = 0.50 * 1.57 = 0.78 NZ cents
so about 7c NZ per kgMS.

What do they do with the effluent/.nitrogen, because the Dutch were very tight on that recently

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oh its all Claas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3habKgcnmbU

 

much lease financce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GotSIagKWp0

 

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ysE_h67org

see how the whole thing pivots to stop tracking + the variable tyre pressure on the run.

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-hZFO7J_So

 

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but tarmac we like the 

Hovertrack Luctor 544

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGGt7JHexI

(2:35 onwards)

 

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I meant for the "cows that are seen" in the fields.

Although I suspect that Claas machine probably cost more than my entire operation, including costs for at least a year

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Awesome thesis,(wow real science, is that allowed?)
Reminds me of what I was trying to do 2 years ago.  Rather than buy "fertiliser", I attempted to get the major of nutrient inputs via supplimentary feed - since supplimentary feed, while a primary cost, is a positive profit center (through basic production) if done right.
 Then i'd only have to buy (an pay to spread) the difference.

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there are examples of 2,000kg/ha+ folk doing just that (fert via feed).

but if its  2009 type payout their eyes will be watering 

 

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I ran into the problem that the infrastructure here is all new.... 40 years ago.
When I took over the races were good (but the gates were all stuffed) and at least half the troughs weren't going.  The previopus sharemilker used to just use a "pot spreader"...if he could be bothered shifitng it more than once a week.    the paddocks were all fenced for a herd three times the size, and they'd just been leaving temporary fences to chop them down to size.
 the milking plant which had been grade free, A+ under the owner 15 yrs ago, was routinelyt picking up C's and D's.   the calf sheds are re-purposed old pigstys and stable housing, not so bad if you've got someone else to focus their attention on the calves.

That's what happens when stuff is bought on 30yr mortgage, and kept going with #8 wire mentality.   When the owners had paid off most of the morgage, for some reason they didn't want to redraw and start again 25yrs later...  Which point they leased out, and the leasee took on a lower order sharemilker.

I've almost got the Giant buttercup under control.

But it's like having a 15yr old production line car, and expecting it to meet the specification of a modern hybrid vehicle.   While I'd like to see good routines that would let me build Dutch level businesses I don't think Fonterra are able to close that kind of sales,  and since they're the paying customer... Why would I pour good money into updating farm?

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Keeping Stock (10,188 comments) says:
May 13th, 2014 at 8:18 am

@ martinh – “most likely” being the operative words. Peters is all bluff and bluster, and I don’t believe that the PM will have to go on TV and apologise to him any time soon.

I’d love to play poker with Peters; he’d be an easy take, because he’s always bluffing. The PM on the other hand; he’d be a superb poker player

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/05/general_debate_13_may_2014.html

 

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the PM would just "forget" to play every time you called him.

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