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Kiwibank economists believe the Reserve Bank should hold fire with any increase of the Official Cash Rate while the country deals with the impact of Cyclone Gabrielle

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Kiwibank economists believe the Reserve Bank should hold fire with any increase of the Official Cash Rate while the country deals with the impact of Cyclone Gabrielle
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Kiwibank economists say the Reserve Bank should hold off making any increases to the Official Cash Rate while the country deals with the impact of Cyclone Gabrielle.

The RBNZ is set for its next review of the OCR on Wednesday, February 22. Most debate between economists is whether the central bank will raise the rate (currently on 4.25%) by 50 basis points or by 75.

However, in the Kiwibank economics team's latest First View publication, chief economist Jarrod Kerr says the RBNZ "should pause next week".

"The RBNZ can come back in April and resume tightening if required," he says.

He says talk of a 50bp, or even 75bp, hike "should be sidelined".

"The need to tighten aggressively from here has evaporated. Inflation is peaking at lower levels. And global inflation pressures are abating. Currently at 7.2%, inflation is below the RBNZ forecast of 7.5%. The balance of risks are tilted to the downside," he says

He concedes, however that "what we think they should do is not what they will likely do".

"We expect to see a hike, but the discussion should be around 0 or 25bps, not 50 or 75bps."

But in reiterating the belief that the decision by the RBNZ could be postponed to April, Kerr says "temporary relief, of all kinds, is needed in the time of crisis".

"A pause from the RBNZ next week would be welcomed by most Kiwi, and highlight that officials are cognisant of the economic damage being inflicted. The Government has called a national state of emergency. There is significant damage to key infrastructure, buildings and housing. And there will be severe damage to crops and farms. Many businesses and households have also lost income with an inability to trade during the flooding. Guesstimates of the total economic impact are now in the billions, not millions."

Kerr says the next phase will be the clean-up and rebuild and we will see a sharp lift in economic activity as the nation rebuilds.

"Unfortunately, the construction industry is already operating at full capacity, with a shortage of labour. Existing projects may be postponed as we divert resources to the areas most in need. And the rebuild will take many months, possibly years in parts.

"The rebuild will be inflationary, especially in construction related costs. We may find there are shortages in materials, and our capacity to deal with the workload will be tested. And inevitably, there will be implications for insurance premiums. We’d expect the RBNZ to look through the impacts of the disaster, with the spike in economic activity and inflation likely to be temporary.

"That’s what we think the RBNZ should do. What we expect the RBNZ will do, however, is deliver a 25bp or 50bp hike. We believe a 75bp hike is well and truly off the table. RBNZ officials are concerned about the path of inflation. And they may want to keep their foot firmly on the brake. But we expect to see a more moderate path for interest rates. We expect a peak of 5%, down from 5.5%."

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Vested interest brigade strikes again.. 

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Any excuse.

It isn't clear to me how a storm might slow inflation. In fact it may exacerbate inflation if farmers suffered crop losses which lifts food prices, insurers have to pay out for repairs or rebuilds which will raise material costs and government has to fix infrastructure which will increase labor. The Christchurch Rebuild was widely seen as stimulatory.

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Surely a central bank would look through that tho? 

"Well food went up because of the storm and we need to import more for a while, so we will increase interest rates and solve that" 

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Kerr isn't suggesting they just "look through" the inflation that will be caused by the floods.  If he was, he would be suggesting that the RBNZ don't deviate from their proposed rate track (i.e don't raise rates HIGHER than previously proposed, if they believe the flood recovery would be inflationary).   But what he is actually suggesting is that RBNZ should lower the projected rate track to "support" flood victims.  

There is nothing in the RBNZ mandate that provides them power to provide disaster recovery.  Why would we only provide this "disaster relief" to those with mortgages?  Why would we provide "disaster relief" to mortgage holders in cities unaffected by the floods?  

Any required disaster relief needs to come from government that actually has the mandate to provide it.

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Lets hope disaster relief is aimed where it counts. Rapid delivery of more resliant infrastructure and temporary emergency accomodation. The balance should come from personal and business insurance.

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yep 25 may be the max, but those that think it will be 75 plus are dreaming and have seriously underestimate the scale of the damage

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Depends how low you want the NZD to go.

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At this stage would'nt really care about NZD, I would be more worried about getting supplies, services and medical help to isolated communities. The rest can wait a month or two I would of thought.

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Wouldnt the NZD taking a bath have an adverse effect on all that you have mentioned ?

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Time will tell. In such an uncertain world it’s re-assuring to see such prospective confidence.

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My guess is 25 increase plus a lot of warning about inflation and future rise

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Wayne Brown has a special word to describe the likes of Kiwi Bank's Jarrod Kerr.

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Does it consist of just the first and last word in your post?

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Wayne Brown has a lower EQ than Donald Trump and will be a one term mayor. 

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I know IQ is a measure of "intelligence", but what is EQ?

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Their IQ ? 

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Emotional intelligence

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😂

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Assuming he doesn't die before then

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Its a WAR on Inflation, its not going to be all rainbows and unicorns.   They go 50.

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Maybe.. though they (RBNZ) might go 75 basis points to prevent capital flight and encourage term deposits.

The NZD is looking shaky so a 75 basis point hike would likely mitigate the need for an emergency meeting of the RBNZ should things go south.

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In a war there are going to be casualties. Lets start with the mental health of the tens of thousands of kiwis who can't even place a phone call to tell Mum their house and employer both got washed out and they are unable to work.

Sorry folks, in the words of the great JA... "you are not us".

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Are you trying to summon JimboJones with that last sentence? 

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Tony combover Alexander put out another newsletter today, have you read it yet

Something I noticed, that above CPI wages growth has now caught up with house price growth. So that the ratio of wages to house prices is the same as pre pandemic. I found that very interesting. Of course houses are still unaffordable, /sarc

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Yes, that's clearly happening, but the difference is that long-run interest rate expectations are higher, driving equalibrium house price to income multiples lower.  Add to that the effect of negative sentiment and the dreaded heard mentality, and you are a way off achieving equalibrium. 

That said, it's my firm belief that long term interest rate expectations will deflate in concert with everything else.  Recent tax policy changes will keep a lid on any giddiness at the BBQ, but we should establish a bit of a floor in the RE market. 

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Yeah I bet they do

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Just replace RBNZ decision makers with a ChatGPT script that takes the inflation rate and adjusts OCR accordingly; no political interference, vested interests or anything allowed. 

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OR switch to a monetary system with predetermined issuance schedule. No interference, vested interests, or anything. Pure free market money. 

Bitcoin. 

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You had a valid point until you ended it with Bitcoin.

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But the uber rich dont want a 'free market'...  they want one that can be tilted so the majority of cash flows their way. Its why they lobby and sponsor all the political parties and why they like that those parties appoint the rbnz exec. 

Game has always been rigged .. and always will be.

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You can buy a politician for as little as $5k. Stop complaining, get out there and start influencing your desired outcomes. 

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If there's any lapse in rate hikes it will need to be in conjunction with a new government package aimed at easing the cost of living crisis because that's not substantially abated yet.

We should never sacrifice the important for the urgent. Use your Eisenhower matrix.

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Pukekohe has lost much of its veges.  How do you propose govt eases this?

Govt is not magic. If supplies are not there then the price has to go up to ration supply and cover the cost of the producer who has less to sell.

End of story.

 

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Oh, come on.  They can lower the OCR to stimulate vegetable growth.

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This does not solve the stated Interest.co community goal of making people who bought houses in the last 3 years suffer. 

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I wouldn't worry too much - life is suffering and we all have to drink from the cup.

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I'm still shocked you didn't get that motivational speakers job.

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lol, that deserves a like :)

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“Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.” Dread Pirate Roberts 

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There will always be a reason not to do what has to be done.

"We can't put up the OCR because the economy is too weak!"

"We can't put up the OCR because the economy is just recovering and that might hamper the recovery!"

"We can't put up the OCR because the economy is looking good, and putting up the OCR might stop that!

And now we get:

"We can't put up the OCR because the economy needs time to recover from The Cyclone!"

None of what's happening today is either new or unexpected. It happens, and will again. What is an old story, though, is that we aren't either prepared for it or want to deal with that.

There is no right time to make unpopular changes. And if they are due now, then delaying them will just make matters worse. The answer? Re-regulate the entire New Zealand financial system, and let the Government make the calls for the lot. Get The Free Market out of the way whilst we do what has to be done. That's fixing interest rates at a much lower level; fixing the NZ$ and bringing back Exchange Control of the Goods and Services so necessary to the long term viability of the country.

You know - exactly what China, the 2nd largest economy on the planet - does this very day.

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Things are slowing down anyway and they haven't put the ocr up since November 

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You prove my point. Yet another reason not to do what has to be done, "Things are slowing down anyway"

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"Inflation is only 7.2%"

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".. less that the 7.3% value that many market commentators were expecting .."

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"only 550 basis points higher than the target" 

This is fine! Cut the rate!. /s

 

Mortgage payments are safe for anyone flooded out of their house, that is what insurance is for. 

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Maybe they do but I for one wouldnt want to live in China and deal with their economic planners

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No, they really shouldn't. When you fight on inflation, you'll need to take every opportunity to act. Spend a bit time to relax will cause more inflation and higher rates in future. They cannot afford to soft their tunes or delay their actions. Government should be the role to support whatever is needed for society to recover from this disaster, but RBNZ's role is about price stability and sustainable employment. It's not their job to compensate and support the nation to deal with disaster. If they do, there could be some serious consequences in future. Remember what they did when covid happened? Now we are facing the inflation consequences. The inflation is still really high and barely moved...

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Total agreed! Sacrifice is necessary. I am feeling sorry for a lot of people lose life and house in this natural disaster however the inflation is the only matter now. Nothing else. RBNZ need to target the rebuilding process to make people extremely difficult to get any funding for rebuilding. RBNZ increase OCR to 10% paat least next week and 20%pa  by end of this year until the inflation become negative and they can relax a little back 15% pa .

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Why not drop the OCR by 200 points, and restart printing money and send huge payouts to anyone who wants it?

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I don't have a problem with that as long as the proceeds can't go into one particular asset class.

If we used the funds; the Debt, for nation (re) building and productive enterprises, then go for it.

But if it's for asset backed speculation, then as we should know by now, that has to be smothered at birth.

As I suggest above, do all you suggest, AND regulate the entire market so that we direct the funds into the right direction. Would that work? Not on your nelly. Because there's a whole financial industry out there just looking for loopholes to exploit. Jarrod Kerr, of all people, knows that - he works for one of them after all.

So we will get back to the only thing we understand - financial and economic pain - and that comes courtesy of OCR hikes. A lot of them.

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Stocks, bonds, commercial property, corporates, small businesses, rural or urban, and homeowners with floating mortgages are all recipients. 

Are you thinking that it is only residential property investments that will reap positive outcomes 

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Disciple of the Erdogan school of economics?

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Yvil, you are no doubt referring to the covid support payments. They were targeted at those that needed it. Remember the clause that said you were only eligible if you exhausted other options such as borrowing or raising capital? No doubt some unsavory citizens just ignored that inconvenient part, took advantage of the scale of the situation, and pushed their snout up to the taxpayers tit.

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Pretty sure the cyclone will be inflationary. Food prices will skyrocket after all the damaged crops, rents will go up as heaps of damaged houses, government will have to spend to fix everything.  None of that spells prices dropping.

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.oh yes it does.  Housing, boats and non essentials to the floor.

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With every tradesman, roadworker, roofer, construction worker and arborist in the upper/mid north island looking at 6 months of full time reconstruction/repair work from the storm?  Can't see fizzboat, jetski or ute/ 4x4 prices going down anytime soon personally.  

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The interest rate on those guys boats, houses and trucks have gone from 2.5 to 6.5 and will be 7.5 soon enough.  This rebuild, which will take 2 years, will prop them up. 

Lots of houses in flooded areas that have had their market value go from $1.40m to $0.04m. insurance will pay out the home rebuild value. Not sure if eqc will come to the party for the land value.

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If you don't stop inflation now, the fire that is in the process of being put out will reignite, which in time will cause more damage to people's wallets.

Don't stop the hikes. 

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And whose wallets don't need stressing at the moment? Those who are suffering from being displaced or face having to rehome themselves. Do we really want to make if more expensive for them by ramping the price of property they will have to buy back up by not raising the OCR? Because that's what will happen if the OCR rises are paused.

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Short term pain, long term gain.

What is a few months of higher interest going to do when it will take years to rebuild? I know it sounds harsh but if you aren't paying more on your mortgage you will be ending up paying just as much at the supermarket.

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If the mortgage for the same house is $250,000 and not $500,000 that changes the sums entirely.

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Has the  penny not dropped yet that this is not a one off.  That we are getting ongoing so called unique events very regularly.

If they pause...just what are they expecting to pass?

It will be crisis after crisis now on in.

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Are you always that positive and chirpy, rastus?

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yes I am actually a very humorous person  :)

At the same time I do get called out as a bit anti chirpy - so you're onto it!. But unfortunately I believe what I say.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

 

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Yeah, this is the new normal until the Thwaites ice shelf really starts melting. The government needs to put together some sort of land retreat plan. Some communities will end up not earning enough to pay for the repeated infrastructure rebuilds.  

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What’s the damage? Who cares ? Our main purpose of RBNZ is completely destroy inflation by sacrificing everything. RBNZ need to increase OCR to at least 10% next week.As rebuilding will bring inflation up , RBNZ need to do everything they can to destroy the rebuilding process. We don’t need to rebuild. We need to bring inflation down to 0 or negative. RBNZ need to go extreme aggressive. 

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As The Fed might also now realise. Let's hope the RBNZ is still ahead of the game.

So much for immaculate disinflation. January CPI data make clear that inflation is not dropping to 2% without a recession raising unemployment above 4.5% and this underscores the view that the Fed erred by downshifting hikes. Money is not expensive on a pre-2008 basis and slowing the hikes to 25BP eased financial conditions, thereby reducing the Fed’s squeeze on an economy powered by asset inflation. A mild, mid-year recession is still the base case, believing that higher carry costs, lower equity prices, and inversion of real yields are still disruptive enough in total to weaken high skill employment and wages. In turn, spending slows and kicks off a small inventory cycle. The NY Fed’s latest Survey of Consumer Expectations reveals that this dynamic is beginning. If there is no recession, the Fed will rue its choice. The Fed is operating from its 2004-07 playbook – targeting the funds rate to reach some high real level using steady 25BP hikes, then keeping high real rates steady for an extended period while waiting for unemployment to rise to cut rapidly. This is not the same economy. The recession trigger resides with the asset side of household and corporate balance sheets. Further, there is today a structural labour supply/demand imbalance sustaining high wage growth that has the funds rate far from where it was in 2006-07, relatively speaking. Scheduling 25BP rate hikes every six weeks on into infinity is a gradualism that can morph into “perpetualism” . The slow pace can allow inflation to accelerate anew, underwritten by an upturn in credit creation.

 

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But the banks have been wrong about a lot of things over the last 3 years. The inflation rate is far higher than the band it should be. It maybe slightly less than the forecast, but the fuel tax never got reinstated, which would have increased it, so it is artifically lower than it should be anyway. People can always cherry pick stats to support a position, and banks want to sell more loans. That is harder when interest rates rise.

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So Kiwibank economists state: "The rebuild will be inflationary"

Which I wholeheartedly agree with, and they conclude:

The RB should pause OCR rises

It's beyond belief really… WTF ???

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How long should they pause, 6 weeks or 6 months. Did Jarrod say

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"The RB should pause OCR rises" - by Yvil | 16th Feb 23, 2:49pm "It's beyond belief really… WTF ???"

Yvil, is this more about a fear of being proved wrong with your 0.5% OCR forecasted increase for next week?

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Yvil wants to be like yourself, always right 🤣

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Ha-ha-ha, you can talk! 🤣

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Retired poppy: "my accurate predictions" ... the same ones you repeated every year for 20 years. Oh that's immaterial 

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HW2… it unlike you to be abrasive and argumentative. bad day? 

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Lol! there's nothing more comical tham being scrutinised by someone who's already been issued several conduct warnings from the editor because they hate being wrong 😆

Nobody likes to be wrong. It's how we handle it that matters 🥶

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My sparring buddies at it again.

Easy to see when I've hit a nerve 

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Then it's easy to see what your sole purpose in life is 🤡

This has all been said before. You're unlikely to change. 😆

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Right back at you 

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No it's not at all about "being proved to be wrong", I still believe that the OCR will rise by 0.5% and I have maintained this call since mid January.

My comment was simply that if they expect the cyclone to be inflationary, then it makes no sense at all to pause OCR hikes, that's the .

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Wrong. It definitely can make sense. 

It’s quite possible to recognise that the rebuild effort will be inflationary, but to look through that at this point in time due to the economic impact on both rural and urban economies across Northland, Coromandel, East Cape and Hawkes Bay ( and parts of Auckland). 

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Surely there is a way to divert spend/people from other projects for the rebuild. No extra spend required. There are tons of new build roading, infrastructure projects that can be delayed for a and funding diverted. 

 

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Don't worry. The effects of monetary policy takes ages to flow through. They can raise 1% now and the cyclone will be forgotten when the raise is felt.

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Shock and Orr might make a comeback. I say 100 points and leave it, above the Fed's peak, for year or two. 

Inflation is going nowhere. Is he joking? 

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Its going to soak up unemployed in res construction into res repair, in many ways its a massive stimulus so the RBNZ should feel free to go as hard as they need with CPI at 7.2.    Its going to make it hard to see the labour market roll over in the next 12 months.

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Agree. The upcycle needs to continue until inflation is contained in the 1-3% band. The storm fall out will be inflationary, as insurance money rolls in to fix peoples houses and buildings. Not sure about the roading infrastructure on the state highways. Are they even insured? How much will need to be borrowed for this Any borrowing is going to effect the NZ dollar (not in a positive way), and that will further increase inflation if we don't put rates up.

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Agreed Jeremy.  Any assistance to flood victims should come from the government not the Reserve Bank.

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We are so lucky we got to spend 60 billion borrowed dollars on a non-emergency over the last two years.

Now we have an actual emergency and very limited capacity to fund a recovery.

 

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agree

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That's a good point that hadn't really crossed my mind until I saw your comment - we've fired off all the ammo (and then some) before the enemy has even come into sight.

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and now we are shooting blanks

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Called it on Tuesday and was laughed off the forums. 

No raise at next meeting. 

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Yeah. I haven’t called anything firmly, but I have been saying there is a good chance RBNZ either won’t raise at all, or only raise 25BPs. 
Almost no one has been expressing this viewpoint.

I think it points to a total misunderstanding of political economy. 
Whether you think it is the ‘right’ decision or not is besides the point.

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Yes, to political economy - so good to have you here, HM..

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That would be a mistake.  The floods have been tragic but monetary policy is not an emergency relief fund. The target is inflation.

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Targets demand side. Demand to rebuild and replace is not going to depend on interest rates. 

Supply side constraints feeding inflation is also 100% immune to interest rates. 

So inflation will not be increased by pausing now, just some relief for many many businesses and households effected by the biggest natural disaster since chch 2011. 

Laugh me out this time 

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Bigger, much bigger than chch 2011, I suspect.

I get you and no way am I laughing.

My many relations in Florida are in disbelief on this one - they say they can't even imagine the geographic scale of it. 

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Starting to think if they don't get a lot of people out of Napier etc they are going to have a health emergency, need to get a road access open so people can self evacuate as needed.    2 weeks without power , limited gas for cooking and huge petrol queues = disaster coming up in 3.2.1

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There is now 72 available rentals in the whole of hawkes bay with a population of 180,000. Even when services are up and running, all those displaced will have to go somewhere else

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Why has no one pointed the finger yet at Transpower! One substation near a river gets wet, no redundancy, whole of Hawkes Bay is out of power for weeks. 

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I recall after Chch there was a register set up (by MSD I believe) to register your home as available to house the displaced temporarily.

Yep, we've got to get people out as the risk of a typhoid fever outbreak is on the cards.

I haven't seen such a register to take in those displaced, but I am hoping it is coming.

 

 

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Sounds to me like Kiwibank want to avoid having to increase interest rates on savings and term deposits, and are making the cyclone disaster a scapegoat.

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The floods will push inflation higher. The RB should stay the course, anything else is a sell out to the vested interests of housing speculation and high bank profits. ASB's announcement this week highlighted that.

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The Monetary Policy Committee’s remit allows it to look through events that have a transitory effect on inflation into the medium term. This severe and  damaging storm could *potentially* be considered to qualify as such an event.

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As economist Bill Mitchell states on his blog,

“As a tool for limiting demand, monetary policy turns out to be primitive, blunt and unfair.”

http://www.billmitchell.org/blog/?p=60624

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I think ANZ's take on the likely outcome of the disasters on the OCR are much more "on the money" if I may say.

https://anz-singletrack.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/NZ_Insight_infl…

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What storm?

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Storm in a teacup? 

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To be honest, RBNZ won't hike the rate at all in the first place if they ever had a choice. Unfortunately their hands are tied after the decades of loosen monetary policy, the demege is done, it's payback time now.

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I can see why politically it might be a golden opportunity to "be kind" and in doing so earn some votes by holding the OCR. Economically, and hopefully, the RBNZ will act independently the Cyclone is inflationary so along with current economic data this should support a solid rise in OCR. On a humanitarian level, cyclone support should be specific, meaningful and highly targeted; but most importantly should be from central government not the RBNZ.

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Yep the RBNZ should be thinking about inflation not being kind. It’s a pretty cruel blow to those affected but also to the fight against inflation. After the last Napier floods it was very expensive to get a tradie, it will be much worse this time. 

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Sadly, the cruel blow will be for those who bought a house at a very over inflated price in 2021 which has now flooded and needs serious work done. If owners cant get back soon after the flood subsides to remove the under floor insulation and air out under the house, there can be structural damage. a relative of mine just did a carpet job in Westport and the owner of the house had been living above theirgarage waiting 18months for tradies to get in and do the work after the Westport floods e.g builders, gib stoppers, plasterers, painters, carpet, imagine what it is going to be like in Hawkes bay for the next 1-2years. I for one feel for them, as if the mortgage interest cranking up and cost of living wasn't hard enough already on them.

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If rates don’t go up be sure NZD will sink below 60 against USD and inflation will climb very quickly and in the end rates will have to go even higher for longer.

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How do you think all those poor souls who have lost their homes, commercial buildings and businesses will feel on the 22nd February 2023 if he puts up the OCR. Not only have they lost their improvements but they are required to carry on making payments if they have loans secured against those improvements. I for one would be gutted. Stop arguing amongst yourselves over petty matters and stop trying to get one over the other. Start thinking about those a whole lot less fortunate than yourselves.

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Pretty sure you cant carry a mortgage on property without having insurance.  Most have business interuption insurance as well. 

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esk valley will never allow residential houses again, vineyards and commercial ok, but not residential

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They are meant to be independent though. Inflation is not good for anyone. Part of the reason we are in this mess is because they didn’t raise rates during Omicron even though inflation was evident. 
maybe a 0.25% or 0.5% says “we are still trying to battle inflation but don’t want added costs passed on to flood victims”. Either of those would cause a decrease in swap rates as they would be less than the already priced in rate. 

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Almost everyone who comments here seems to think The CPI is their one and only decision making reference point.

Earth to commenters - it’s not.

Their mandates also include financial stability and employment. What’s more, their CPI mandate is a medium term one.

Further, while these are their overarching decision making reference points, they don’t have to be 100% bound by them, especially in terms of short term considerations. They still have quite broad discretion.

Having said that I am not saying the RBNZ will, or should, not hike or only hike by 25BPs. I just think there is a reasonable chance they will, which most here seem to be dismissing outright.

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Please re-read my comment - especially the last paragraph. 

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What an idiotic take

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The bank of Kiwi has spoken...now let's see what actually happens.

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Agree with the headline, didn't even need to read the article (but I did anyway).

 

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Don't expect any mercy from the Orr brigade who want to engineer a recession...

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Why is Kerr constantly out in the media campaigning for a low OCR? Does Kiwibank have a high proportion of mortgage customers teetering on default?

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People keep comparing this with the EQ. But extreme weather events are predictable, and we have been predicting them to become more frequent and more extreme since the 70s. Certain people like to kibosh projects to mitigate or adapt to climate change, because they see it as a political issue, rather than one of science. I really hope that the climate change deniers take this opportunity to look deeply at themselves. It's so ironic that farmers are protesting measures to save the environment awhile also believing they are entitled to support when he inevitable comes.

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What is it that you want the farmers to do, that they are resisting?

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Reduce their emissions by moving to regenerative farming and help to restore the water quality and biodiversity of our country as a whole. As opposed to putting green crosses on the side of the road and stonewalling any conversations about the path to net zero.

I come from a rural background and follow the farming nz facebook pages. The rhetoric around environmental initiatives, net zero, 3 waters, the green party etc. is disgusting. They aren't doing themselves any image favours, and will run out of social license at this rate.

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The greenies are the biggest menace to a functioning community. The forestry slash is but the latest example

The last 2 or 3 years during covid, has had vastly reduced emissions, from air travel, manufacturing pollution, and fuel sales. Much much more reduction than less cows will produce. So where is the climate improvement

And look at the PM, as soon as climate change policies start to hit urbanites in the pocket he backtracks for political reasons, in other words, so he can be re-elected.

No doubt the ruminant animals will pick up the tab

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guess not. Property doubles every 10 yrs, fact bro ;)

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