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Trades feel powerless after vocational education reforms

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Trades feel powerless after vocational education reforms
Tradesperson working in trench.
Master Plumbers CEO Greg Wallace says its members are paying much more in licensing fees than similar trades like electricians. (Image: Fiona Stuart-Clark from Pixabay)

Some trades are concerned the new structure of trades training won’t give students a modern education and say it can’t be called an industry model when they have no say on funding.

The government has undertaken a controversial and bedevilled restructure of vocational training, bringing together 16 polytechnics and institutes of technology, as well as nine industry training organisations under the auspices of the “mega polytech” Te Pukenga.

Master Plumbers chief executive Greg Wallace says these “massive reforms” had been sold to the industry as a saviour, but he holds serious concerns they won’t help the plumbing, gasfitting and drainlaying industry attract and train the people it needs.

Under the new regime, Workforce Development Councils have been set up to ensure the curriculum of vocational education meets the needs of trade industries. They are intended to be the "voice of industry" in training.

These councils can create qualifications and set standards, and advise the Tertiary Education Commission (TEC) on investment, moderate assessments against industry standards or set and moderate assessments at the end of a qualification.

Wallace says the WDC’s have been set up to be toothless, because while they can make recommendations on investments, they have no say on capital expenditure.

 “We have little or no influence.”

He says Master Plumbers was told in meetings with Education Minister Chris Hipkins and others that industry would have much more say and influence on trades training under the new structure.

“But the reality is it's not really the case at all. And that transition has been incredibly painful.”

Wallace says the reforms are not giving the industry what it needs. He points to Australia, where he says there is one state-of-the-art centre of excellence for industry where plumbing students work on modern tools and learn modern techniques. He says in New Zealand, instead, we have a proliferation of training organisations with varying quality.

He says there is investment happening now into plumbing training facilities by private training organisations and polytechnics which the WDC have no say over.

“And when I go to Australia and tell them we have 16 training facilities across New Zealand, they look at me like I’m crazy.”

He says ideally there would be three training centres for the plumbing industry that were purpose built, which would give students a better experience and also help address a tutor shortage.

Wallace says current training providers have failed to modernise, haven’t been able to get theoretical parts of the courses online and thousands of apprentice plumbers have fallen behind because of COVID course closures.

He says attendance at plumbing courses is also an issue.

“So we're not filling the spaces we should be.”

Graham Moor, chief executive of the Roofing Association, has some different concerns. He’s worried that smaller trades, like roofing, will get lost in the system.

He says, like Wallace, his industry only wants modern facilities and agrees three facilities with top-class training would be better than lesser offerings spread across the country.

“We're not seeing the innovation that I was expecting.”

Moor says young people are into gadgets and technology, and industry should be able to bridge that divide and work out how to appeal to them. He says virtual reality for example could be a way of melding technology and learning. 

“What it was promised to do and what it's delivered seem to be polls apart.”

Warwick Quinn, deputy chief executive employer journey and experience at Te Pukenga said in an emailed statement that the Workforce Development Councils have been established to be a key agent of industry.

“The reform of vocational education strengthens the employer’s voice and the ability of industry to ensure it gets what it needs.”

He said Te Pukenga will ensure industry needs are embedded within the programme and course content and they will have a strong voice within Te Pukenga. 

“We know how important it is that we reflect the needs of employers and industry in the training and learning opportunities we deliver so to that end we are currently recruiting for a deputy chief executive learner and employer experience and attraction. This role will be vital in championing the voices of employers and industry at the executive level and right across our organisation.”

TEC and Hipkins' office both referred Interest.co.nz to Te Pukenga for comment.

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Sounds like they're all saying consolidation and centralisation is necessary.

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I agree with them in terms of more consolidation needed to provide modern, well equipped specialist trades training - and it is more capital that's needed.  The competition model where every provincial town of any size thinks they need to be able to train across every one of the trades is a failed model.

They want a polytechnic for economic development purposes, not educational purposes.  That needs to be turned around.

First thing I'd do as Chris Hipkins is move all trades training out of the main cities where our housing need is highest.  Sell off those campuses for housing development and modernise/enlarge the polytechnic campuses in provincial NZ, particularly in places where unemployment and deprivation is highest, and the state of housing and infrastructure condition is lowest (worst).   For example, Whakatane, Levin, Kaitaia, Hawera spring to mind in the NI.  .  

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LOL. Those towns are only partially safe to drive though. Who in their right mind would want to live there as a student? 

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There's a new trade school being built in Tokoroa, will give 30 jobs to the town. 500 students, really good stuff IMO. We need these all over the place in the provences (as above where rent is more affordable). 

https://www.southwaikato.govt.nz/our-council/news?item=id:2es4jirki1cxb…

20 years too late though. 

 

 

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I don't find central Auckland and Wellington particularly safe to drive through but unis, polytecs and PTEs there don't have trouble filling up their classes.

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So you teach in a polytech in one of the main centres, RP?  Self-interest could be the only excuse for such a stupid comment.

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I grew up in one of those towns. That comment is up there with one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. 

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It's industry training.  Work integrated.  Students would go to the regional centres for their block courses, not to live.  They would work and live where they have a job with a supportive employer.

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How would the students be accommodated - perhaps build student accommodation? They would never get accommodation privately for block courses unless they boarded.

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Yes, student accommodation blocks. Our sons attended Taranaki and BOP polytechnics and both at that time had purpose built accommodation.

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I'd go for four modern training centres but not quite as remote as Kate suggests. Towns the size of New Plymouth where there is already a  WITT come to mind. (I live in NP and have nothing to do with the education system)

At $100+ per h excl GST for plumbers something needs to be done. Quite likely too much of a closed shop.

I'd also  favour low cost or free apprenticeships, not just for plumbers, with a 5-7 year stay in NZ before being allowed overseas. This would be in preference to subsidising University students.

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Closed shop, or a limited number of people wanting to shove their hands up a sewer pipe?

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When it takes a 5 year apprenticeship to become a plumber, gasfitter, drainlayer $100 + GST per hour seem cheap.  In addition it takes another two years to get your Certifying qualification - so a 7 year qual - they should be charging double that!

 

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I went to Taranaki Polytech for my first qualification. It was great, easy to get around and not an expensive place to live. I think this is a great idea. Just a couple of thoughts though - education for the kids of the people who train the tradies might need to be considered. High school education in some of the smaller towns is a bit hit and miss. How would that be addressed? Of course it might happen naturally because teachers can't afford to live in the cities on their salary. 

And jobs for the other halves of the people training also. Just thoughts, not criticism, but those kinds of plans need to think beyond the immediate service provider. 

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One of our sons went there too - for film and television.  Great course and he did it there because it wasn't his home town - wanted the living away from home experience. Loved it.

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We sort of had that didn't we?  At least for the Wellington region  CIT - Central Institute of Technology in Upper Hutt.

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No say on funding - come on, this is socialism at work.

Dear JA has centralised the power base, as clearly no-one within the industry is capable. Not.

And as to the term "workforce development council"...

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The workers are owning the means of production? Where?

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The state is trying to monopolise it. If that's not the definition of socialism, well it's not the definition of capitalism either.

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They're not stopping private training institutes from existing, just consolidating existing state training institutes and sharing services. Efficiency and stuff, a la Rodney Hide. 

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Centralisation and government intervention and control is clearly working well for Labour.

Health, auckland light rail, 3waters, kiwibuild, industry training, mental health.....  very impressive work JA. Is there any such programme showing the model works? Do they not learn from mistakes?

 

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How can they learn from them if they don’t even recognise them as mistakes?

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Wellington water infrastructure would like a word...as would much of the infrastructure in the regions.

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It is vital the Aussies understand the significance of our vocational training system because that is where most tradies are going to spend the best years of their careers anyways.

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Totally agree with Greg Wallace.  Much was promised with ROVE in terms of industry led training.  We have yet to see this delivered.  Ideally theory can be on line and done at the apprentices home thereby reducing the need for travel except for block courses which can be greatly reduced in number.  We deserve decent facilities to train our apprentices and having two top class facilities with top class tutors would be ideal.  Unfortunately our industry was really poorly served by the former ITO - and now Te Pukenga and the WDC are picking up the pieces.  The other unfortunate thing is we are seeing several of the same staff who worked at the poorly performing ITO transitioned into the new entities - so unless their way to thinking also undergoes a dramatic change we are set for more of the same.  The tail is wagging the dog and this is not what Minister Hipkins promised.  Surely one of the first things you would do in this new world is check with industry WHERE they want new facilities, IF they want new facilities and whether this is indeed a good use of government capital.  For instance do we NEED three new training establishments in the lower half of the south island - i.e. Invercargill, Dunedin and where ever ICE are looking at setting up.  This is madness and NOT what industry would like to see the precious little capital money available spent on.

 

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