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Opinion: The RBNZ is underestimating the impact of the tax changes on new home building

It was pleasing to see that at the same time as hiking the OCR 0.25% to 3% on 29 July, Governor Bollard stated that further increases would be less than previously expected.
However, there is still a fundamental and glaring error in the RBNZ’s assessment of economic growth prospects.
To be kind to the RBNZ, all the 10 economic forecasters surveyed by NZIER in June are making the same mistake. In contradiction to how things actually work, they are predicting significant increases in interest rates and robust growth in residential building activity.
Not surprisingly, a leading figure in the residential building industry – Richard Carver, Director of Jennian Homes – has taken the RBNZ and the economic forecasters to task over their residential building forecasts. Here is his media release.
And this is not a case of sour grapes.
Our leading indicator analysis, which has a fantastic track record at picking the near-term outlook for residential building among other things, has identified the risk of an imminent and significant fall in the number of consents for new dwellings over the next two quarters.
The first chart below shows the number of house sales reported by REINZ each month as a useful leading indicator of the number of consents for new dwellings (excluding apartments), with the red house sales line advanced or shifted to the right by six months reflecting the lead house sales have had over consents since the consenting process was altered in 2004/05.
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The next chart below shows the number of REINZ section sales as an equally useful leading indicator of consents, with the red section sales line advanced by five months (i.e. providing a prediction for consents over the next five months).
The tumble in house and section sales over the last couple of quarters point to the risk of significant downside in the number of consents for new dwellings over the next couple of quarters.

These charts make a mockery of the economists’ forecasts for residential building, which in turn makes a mockery of their interest rate forecasts There is more to the story than the economic forecasters having a topsy-turvy view of the relationship between interest rates and residential building activity, and them not understanding how people are responding the housing affordability nightmare.
The initial indications are that the changes in property tax introduced in the Budget will have the same impact on housing activity as a 1-1.5% increase in mortgage interest rates.
If this proves to be the case it hugely undermines the need for the RBNZ to hike the OCR over the next 6-12 months.
The key question seems to be not whether this will halt OCR hikes, but how quickly Governor Bollard will realise that the RBNZ’s forecasts for residential building activity and economic growth are still way too optimistic.
See a full version of this 'Rodney's Raving' here.
Why the economists are so wrong
So what is going on with the economists’ residential building forecasts and why can they be so, so wrong! Having many, many years ago started my career as an economists working at the RBNZ, including having been involved in building a version of the RBNZ’s forecasting model, I have seen first hand what really drives the central bank’s economic forecasts. While the bank economists in general don’t even have proper forecasting models and when it comes to predictions for the likes of interest rates and residential building have a tendency to “flock”.
When it comes to interest rate forecasts (and exchange rate forecasts) the economists almost without exception predict that they will revert back to around the historical average or mean. All they are doing is predicting that the 90-day bank bill yield will increase to around the historical average level. There is no science in this, just an assumption that things will return to “normal”. The same thing is driving the economists’ residential building predictions (i.e. on average they are predicting that the level of residential building activity returns to around an average level over the next two years).
But we live in the aftermath of a speculative bubble in house and section prices that still hasn’t burst, associated with the housing bubble is stacks of debt, and we are still living in an environment in which the international financial crisis is having and will continue to have a major impact.
In short, to assume that the level of housing activity and interest rates will return to “normal” or average levels is either naïve or dumb, but probably both. As covered in the Housing Prospects reports, house prices remain extremely high compared to incomes (chart below).

This is giving people the incentive to economise on housing (e.g. young people/couples stay at home longer or move back home; people take in boarders to help pay the rent/mortgage; people convert garages to living quarters; retired people hit by finance company failures move in together).
In the 2006 Census there were 2.46 people per house on average. If the number of people per house increases to just 2.5 it means that roughly 26,400 less houses are needed.

Housing shortage a myth
This is what is currently going on in NZ and is why, as Richard Carver says, “The predicted housing shortage, at this stage, appears to be just a myth”.
It is just a myth even if some of the economic forecasters don’t realize it yet.
People responding to a major incentive, like extremely expensive housing, is the sort of thing that economists are taught should happen when they study at university, but for some reason they are too willing to assume this sort of behaviour away in their desire to predict that things will return to “normal”.
The housing market isn’t the be all and end all of economic growth. The story at the moment is about the economic recovery that started in the housing market and export sector filtering around the economy.
This is the “broadening” of the economic recovery driven by the “economic multipliers” of text book economics we discuss in the Interesting Times reports. However, as this chart below shows, cycles in residential building activity are critical swing factor in economic growth cycles.
If residential building activity falls significantly, economic growth will slow significantly.

Residential building on its own doesn’t make up a large share of economic activity – only 3.6% in the year to March 2010 (normally around 5%) – but it feeds many other industries including significant parts of the manufacturing sector.
If residential building activity falls as much over the next few quarters as the fall in the number of REINZ house and section sales are predicting, negative economic multipliers will start filtering around the economy over the next coupler of quarters. This means that economic growth will be well below the 3.6% predicted by the RBNZ for the 2011 calendar year.
Property tax changes mean few OCR hikes are needed
But there is more to the story than the economic forecasters having a topsy-turvy view of the relationship between interest rates and residential building activity, and them not understanding how people are responding the housing affordability nightmare.
The changes in property tax introduced in the Budget have had the same impact as a 1-1.5% increase in mortgage interest rates, which hugely undermines the need for the RBNZ to hike the OCR over the next 6-12 months.
Why has the number of house sales reports by REINZ tumbled back towards the trough levels experienced during the 2008 recession?
There is an inverse relationship between the number of house sales and the average mortgage interest rate.
More than just interest rates drive house sales, but interest rates are the most important cyclical driver.
If all other factors are stable, a 1% (one percentage point) increase in the average mortgage interest rate will result, with around a three month lag, in a 1,150 drop in the number of houses sold each month.
In that context, part of the sharp fall in the number of house sales this year can possibly be attributed to the earlier increase in the average mortgage interest rate.
However, with floating and short-term fixed mortgage interest rates remaining low, the increase in the average mortgage interest rate driven by rising medium-term and longer-term fixed mortgage rates, shouldn’t have had as large an impact as normal.
And even if we assume the increase in the average mortgage interest rate had the normal impact, it still only explains around half of the fall in the number of house sales.
Falling net migration is part of the story, but the main candidate for the fall in house (and section) sales is the property tax issue. It came to prominence early in the year and we have no doubt drove the tumble in the number of sales in January, when investors took fright at the prospect of tougher tax treatment of property investments.
In our assessment the property tax changes have had the equivalent negative impact of a 1-1.5% increase in the average mortgage interest rate.
RBNZ 'way off the mark'
If the fall in house and section sales is roughly mirrored in the number of consents for new dwellings over the next couple of quarters then the RBNZ and economic forecasters will have to make major revisions to their residential building, economic growth and interest rate predictions (i.e. life will go on a normal).
The key question at the moment is not whether this will halt OCR hikes, but how quickly the RBNZ will realise that its forecasts are way off the mark even after suggesting they have downgraded them on 29 July.
We discuss this in detail in the Interesting Times reports and the Monetary Policy Briefing reports, which provide the best available insights on things like economic growth and interest rate prospects, why we don’t expect short-term wholesale interest rates to increase anywhere near as much as the economic forecasters are predicting.
Contact Rodney if you want to know more about any of our reports, while if anyone wants to know what really drives economic growth there are some spaces still available at the Economic Workshop he is running on 3 August (see here for info).
* Rodney is the MD of Strategic Risk Analysis, which prepares and sells reports on housing, construction, monetary policy and exchange rates. He produces a regular 'Rodney's Raving' which is available on his site here.

73 Comments
I heartily recommend people
I heartily recommend people read this piece. It's long and detailed, but challenges the RBNZ view on where new home building is going, the need for new house building and the impact of recent property tax changes.
He is saying the RBNZ has underestimated the impact of the tax changes and doesn't need to hike the OCR as much because of it. He is saying the tax changes are 'worth' up to 1.5% of OCR increases.
If true, and the RBNZ has to change its forecasts because of this, this would reduce the likely peak for the OCR and suggest the housing market and the economy is in for a very rough time.
Many thanks Rodney.
cheers
Bernard
Maybe this is why AB is
Maybe this is why AB is saying an OCR of max 5%?
If this is the case then it would seem the Govn's aim to reduce the advantages for PIs is going to be more effective than expected...
The housing affordability should be sending huge alarm bells IMHO...it cant keep going up for ever and I cant see it staying high...
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Hi Bernard (and Rodney). A
Hi Bernard (and Rodney).
A great piece and article, this message could be scene as a blessing from the Reserve bank. Lets face reality our housing is too expensive - so lets just assume for a moment that those people who profited through the boom are about to loose their shirts.
Yes a couple of "innocent", home owners will fall with the wall, but it was their own judgement of their individual circumstances which lead them to purchase in the first place. Most people effected will be people with skin in the game - people like Olly Newland.
Looking at a fallen Rome (as you often do Bernard), the opportunity is then to create change. Allot of people blame government or in this case the reserve bank for bad decisions how-ever in this case it is the people who are writing the policy.
We have a comparatively good and stable with Key and Co. They are only setting policy / or talking to collect votes and to stay in power so how can we bring about the real change needed to steer this country back to prosperity?
Firstly, I think we need to re-establish that the 1/4 acre dream of living in a city is a myth. If you want to live in a four bedroom house in say Remurea or Ponsonby great, but you should expect that your neighbor resides in a 20 story apartment block which has no trouble getting resource consent.
The second thing I would free up if I were the collective majority vote is urban planning limits and the price we pay as property owners and tax payers for the indulgence of driving past green empty grass fields 30 minutes from Auckland city.
Thirdly, I would establish that products such as beds and couches that can be crafted under normal circumstances in NZ be made only under license - so Italian or German (for example - luxury), designed products could only be sold if built in NZ.
Fourthly, I would try to establish and answer the economics of opportunity lost - for instance the cost to NZ for the councils decision not to open up the water front to our people here in Auckland. What is the value to you of living in cities where councils can provide better services for both locals and tourists and I ask the question given the major importance of creating a 100 year vision for such places, how much are we prepared to spend to develop these sites to their maximum potential.
I agree with Rodney. Thanks
I agree with Rodney. Thanks Bernard for providing this.
An excellent on the button
An excellent on the button report, I agree RBNZ needs to adjust its grip before it take the next shot.
Excellent analysis Rodney and
Excellent analysis Rodney and confirms my view that Bollard is handling this like a normal cyclical downturn instead of the multi generational debt deflation we are facing. He just needs to look at the latest credit (debt) figures from his own outfit to see that the nearest parallel is the 1930's. Interest rates in the US/UK/Euro/Japan are at multi century lows with no real upward pressure.
WTF is the go with our RB starting to "normalise" in these circumstances?
he's "starting" He could
he's "starting"
He could stay low and then do massive hikes later but small hikes send a signal early....and are less likely to need over-correction..
Yes the big economies are in dire straights with from low OCRs but that doesnt seem to be impacting us a lot yet....so its an unknown....yes it could be huge....but i dont see how you allow for it today.
Bollard also seems to be talking about the downside risks....so he is watching them....
regards
Surely multi-decade lows....
Surely multi-decade lows....
A very interesting piece, the
A very interesting piece, the graph correlations are very good, hard to argue against. I agree that we are coming down from a period of extreme volitility and aftermath of a meltdown...so its justifiable to crtisise the RB and others in predicting a return to normal, we are in anything but normal times, volitile, chaotic, transient ,,,,but at the same time you are projecting forward yourself.......I will watch your success in predicting this with interest....
regards
I am a Rodney convert! Loved
I am a Rodney convert!
Loved how he tackles head on the housing shortage myth (are you reading Tony Alexander?)
the conventional wisdom is very often wrong!
Bernard for PM, Rodney for deputy PM! Great piece
"Conventional wisdom"? The
"Conventional wisdom"?
The only people I ever hear claiming a housing shortage are PIs, real estate hacks, and the other desperate property spruikers.
Everybody elseis aware that there is no housing shortage, and never has been.
Called in for Chinese (meal,
Called in for Chinese (meal, not farm) on way home. Leafed thru current real estate dead tree edition.
Quelle surprise.
A Lot of listings down 20-25% on RV and (Chch, all prices are local...ymmv) a Lot of prices starting with 1. As in hundy, not milly.
Looks like the investor cleanout of non-cash-flow positive rentals is in full swing.
A Lot of 3-beds for mid-200K in non-leafy suburbs.
At these prices, builders in the low-mid brackets are simply gonna cross the ditch. No profits, no prospect of any.
And even section prices are sharp - low 100's. Competition is such a marvel. Especially when the vendors are bleeding principal all over the agents' carpets.
Bernard, yer 35% may yet occur.....
Buyers - why hurry?
Oh, and the priceless comment
Oh, and the priceless comment on one water-view section with Estuary view, way up Mouunt Pleasant, complete with - drum roll - half-finished architect-designed home:
"Vendors have had a lifestyle change and are very motivated to sell".
So which of the Fours D's have we here?
Yikes. I reckon the thing PI
Yikes. I reckon the thing PI types ought to be most fearful of is that "Number of people per dwelling" graph!
http://www.interest.co.nz/sites/default/files/embedded_images/image/Full...
If we ever go back to the days of at least five people in every house, while maintaining roughly the same national population count, there are going to be A LOT of empty houses around the country!
Bloody hell!
Aging pop = less people per
Aging pop = less people per house. Much smaller families then 40 years ago. It might creep up a little as the boomers kids have their families but I'd be mighty surprised if it tops 2.6 until boomers gone.
- Aging population, increased
- Aging population, increased proportion of elderly requiring care...
- Decreasing number of younger people with time to care for them (too busy paying the cost of supporting the elderly and down the elderly BBers debt)...
- Much of the aging population going into (existing) rest homes as a result...
- More people sharing the same property in order to reduce living expenses...
Result: Number of people-per-property will increase, leaving vast numbers of houses empty.
So many BB PIs assume they will be fit and healthy forever, or that they will be able to continue Lording it up from the comfort of their own home (and beach houses) while their kids and grandkids remain at their beck and call.
Guess who's in for a bloody rude shock in a few years time?
Anon good nurse - I beg to
Anon good nurse - I beg to differ.
I'd say the majority of the population believe there is a housing shortage and believe in the myth that house prices always go up.
I know this because 3-4 years ago I had BIG arguments with people who were of that belief, when I differed. And so many people I talk to still hold that view. They see the last couple of years very much as a blip
And I would still maintain that most people still think house prices will shoot up again, because "They don't make land anymore" (the big land shortage cliche)
There is no housing shortage.
There is no housing shortage. There has never been a housing shortage.
Right now, the number of heads-per-house is the lowest it's ever been in NZ history.
With the economy in the doldrums and showing little - if any - sign of improvement, and with immigration levels also very low, the likelihood is that the number of people per household is going to increase dramatically, which means there will be far more available property.
Yes, I know, you don't want to hear that, it keeps you awake at night, but it's time for you to abandon your wee PI fantasyland and face the facts.
Whoops...apologies...I read
Whoops...apologies...I read the first line and automatically assumed you were just another idiotic spruiker.
Sorry mate. :(
Now we all know anon good
Now we all know anon good nurse doesn't bother to read people's post before he comments.
He will have great credibility from here on.
Re: numbers per
Re: numbers per dwelling.
Remember that the higher fertility rates are coming from the Polynesian population, who disproportionately live in state houses, or in private houses with more overcrowding.
So much of the population growth is going to be accommodated in more crowded state and existing private housing, rather than placing pressure on need for new private housing stock
Yes, and as people
Yes, and as people increasingly feel the pinch of an ailing economy, they are likely to try and save money by spreading accommodation costs amongst a larger number of people-per-household.
I live in South Auckland, you
I live in South Auckland, you would not believe how many families, let alone people, we can cram into a house here!
thats OK good nurse, you
thats OK good nurse, you should know by now that Matt in Auck is a Big Bear :)
Very good analysis. The
Very good analysis. The number of heads per houshold is a very nice statistical slant on the supposed housing shortage. It puts paid to a lot of the nonsence out there. Untill wages rise in value versus the cost of housing I expect there to be not much intersest in new houses.
I suspect space saving furniture will be a better investment.
Does the people per household
Does the people per household graph take into account apartments or not? I think the number of apartments is skyrocketting so if it includes them it could actually influence the result a lot. Auckland City has a glut of apartments and small townhouses which is only going to grow larger must are occupied by 1-2 people maybe 3 at most.
When have so-called
When have so-called "economists" ever been correct? Anyone? I can't see any. Any "establishment" economist is a paid hack for the system, in the end. A f-cking CHEERLEADER. "Everything is ok, folks! Spend! Spend! Spend!" It's by design, and so few people see that. A lot of people are losing their arse right now, or soon will be.
Any so-called economist that doesn't have his balls on the line with what he is saying, with his own cash at risk, is not worth listening to. That's why I like Hugh Hendry. It's fun to watch him chew up and spit out economists who work for univiersities on tenure....or nobel prize winning economists. All paid hacks as far as I'm concerned.
What we really should be looking at is the system that created this.
"Fascism is really corporatism" --Mussolini
Steven Keen in one....most
Steven Keen in one....most these days are of the neo-classical mold who live in the world of their faulty model....What's sickening is these neo-classical bozos not only still have jobs but have considerable influence when in fact they should be out on their ear signing onto the dole queue....or maybe dring a cab...
Hugh Hendry is one of my favs as well....though I think Steve Keen still comes in at one forme...however HH aknowledges peak oil, im not sure on SKs view...
regards
The house to price income
The house to price income multiple graph is the only one worth studying. If you draw a line on the lower part, where the lows touch, I reckon that prices will fall to somewhere between 4 and 5 times income, as a multiple, and it won't be safe to buy anything until at least mid-2013. I'm a buyer if it falls below 4. Until then, I make more money doing absolutely nothing. I don't want to be sweating about tenants not being able to pay their rent because of a job loss. I feel for PI's, even though I am one with a property that I simply can't sell- no buyers. The last property I sold is now going into foreclosure, I reckon. I saw the writing on the wall and got out in 09, at a smaller than hoped for profit. Glad I did.
Buyers do get scared and simply stop buying. Banks do get scared and simply stop lending. Fecal matter sometimes does hit the air reciprocating device.
Mate, I sold the last of my
Mate, I sold the last of my investment properties towards the end of 2007.
It would have been gone by late 2006, but my wife took a lot of convincing.
Her circle of friends thought I was mad for selling-up and getting out of it.
However we caught the last of the suckers I think and got a good price in the end.
But love a duck, if we were trying to sell it now..... Damn glad we are not.
No way can we complain because we got in early and we got out in the nick of time and did bloody well.
My son and his wife are looking for a house and I told them to wait a few years and save right now because then they will be able to get in to the game when prices are low then sell again when the prices come back up.
The property cycle goes up and down and right now it is heading down but it is only just starting.
It will come back up again don't worry but it is going to be quiet times for a few years now.
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"..we live in the aftermath
"..we live in the aftermath of a speculative bubble in house and section prices that still hasn’t burst, associated with the housing bubble is stacks of debt, ....In short, to assume that the level of housing activity and interest rates will return to “normal” or average levels is either naïve or dumb, but probably both."
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"Where are we going and what's with the handbasket ?"
It would be interesitng to
It would be interesitng to see what the "numbers per dwelling" stat has done over the last 12-18 months. I'm sure it will be rising. Lot of uni grads still out of work, they will be staying at home. Unless we see a miraculous turnaround the same will be happening next year as another wave of grads struggle to find work
Not just grads either. Money
Not just grads either. Money just doesn't go as far as it use too, and the range is constantly decreasing.
Many who were previously out on their own are either moving back into the old room at their mum and dad's place, or shacking up with others to reduce the rental share.
There must be a lot of empty rental property around at the moment and it can only get worse.
A mate has just told me that
A mate has just told me that he and his wife and their two small kiddies have decided to leave our small SI town and go to Ashburton to live and work. The local business which used to employ him has lost a lot of their work as a result of the dairy conversions around the place and had to let him go, along with three others. Since the beginning of the year, this town has said goodbye to fourteen families out of what *was* a total population already below 300. You can't even give the houses away around here.
A sad tale indeed anon. But
A sad tale indeed anon. But those who rented in the wee town are free to move. A lesson for all families there...renting is good. Next thing the school roll will drop too low and the shiney bums in wgtn will close the school.
Wally mate I don't see any
Wally mate I don't see any mention that the guys is renting. It says they can't even give there house away. This stuff is happening all over now mate no need to put the boot in to people who have to leave there homes to support the family!
Not one to put the boot in
Not one to put the boot in Bill. Just making a point that renting has its good points. So many small NZ towns have been through such changes. They can be nice places to retire to if not too far from the big smoke. Any losses in equity are likely to be way less than the amounts going down the tube in those coastal "see the sea" lifestyle McMansion hot spots. Ditto even in Central. Remember back when properties in Southland were going for $10!
I reckon they will be lucky
I reckon they will be lucky to get a tenner for them soon. But bad for these young families with houses and morgages who have to move. If you can't sell the thing you are stuck paying for it and renting a house somewhere else you have gone to for the work! How do the poor buggers afford it. And there are rich people there parents age who own scores of houses the greedy buggers.
No Bill they are not "greedy
No Bill they are not "greedy buggers". They made hay when other boozed or were at play.
Does a bankrupt remain holding a mortgage debt..not sure...for some it would be the right move...along with emigration.
Most bankrupts shovelled the
Most bankrupts shovelled the property assets sideways before the assignee arrived! There must be a "how to" book on it somewhere, the frequency with which it happens.
It's high the Govt started to
It's high the Govt started to hack away at the construction materials duoploy here to improve affordability. The big boys have been rorting Nzer's for years for building materials including our own Fletchers. Its hundreds of dollars less per Sqm to buld in AU using the very same materials under similar codes.......oops no leaking building issues there maybe even more stringent codes across the ditch. Reducing the cost of building a new home will improve affordability in the first leg of the chain with near zero population growth demand or lack of it will solve affordability at the other end as well.......BTW great article it's a pity we don't have more of this straight forward approach at the top. C
oops High time
oops High time
A couple of years ago, mate
A couple of years ago, mate of mine, house builder, contacted some Chinese mob that would send you all the bits you needed for a new build (not the preframe, concrete etc) in a container and it worked out 30% less than buying here . He sent his specks; container arrived on site, and off he went!
Theres a Canadian bloke in my
Theres a Canadian bloke in my town who imported his house materials from Canada. Its pretty nifty looking place I must say but no idea how much it cost him to do it.
Bill the best options mate
Bill the best options mate are rammed earth or strawbale, or both. Requires a raised platform. The northern timbers are a better option than Rhubarb.
It's the 'Soros
It's the 'Soros syndrom'...it's what people think that matters....and right now people think they have been lied to...gosh what might have caused that!....that the recession is not going to "go away" and that the "6 part strategy" is 5 part BS and one part spin. It takes a while for the message to sneak past the media and for enuff people to home in on it (pardon the pun). Once the public brain has the "fear", it's the end of the line for the govt spin machine. The sales message is hammering home on the box every day. The downturn is turning down.
Joe public is waking up to the crisis and he don't feel so good. He is either content to go on saving having felt he survived because of that...or he has that sick feeling in the guts knowing the promised property price rises are gone for decades and he is stuck with a hefty mortgage. So he spends less.
The promised export recovery leading the country back to bubble era activity with all the froth...just so much hot air. English will have to 'own up' soon and report an end to the borrowing and the start of the austerity in the public sector. We simply cannot carry on pretending the economy can afford to run at a loss.
just been to an auction this
just been to an auction this afternoon at 41 sturges rd, Henderson Heights, CV 495, sold for 447... bidding stopped at 430, but only after a lot of BEGGING, did the bid go to 445, and was on the market at that price....
10% under. Even bidders at
10% under. Even bidders at $430k were probably were paying too much! 6% interest, plus costs ( say $5k p.a.) = $615 p.w. Would it rent for that?
PI's would think so!!!
PI's would think so!!!
Anon .... good point , you
Anon .... good point , you can rent a 5 bedroomed mansion in Greenhithe for $600pw. The buyer in Henderson is clueless , he has bought into what is fast becoming a falling market .
common sense article. Great
common sense article. Great to see another economist doing his own thinking. When you read this sort of stuff you have to wonder about people like Alan Greenspan.
Greenspan wouldnt have got
Greenspan wouldnt have got anywhere if the Pollies didnt want to hear what he was saying......it suited the Reganomics mantra of the day.....its just taken twenty odd years for ppl to realise what a stitch up it was.......
Now of course Grenspan is trying to back peddle, of course the great think is the Internet where his speeches are all available to read....lying bastard has screwed us well and proper...
regards
Rodney, the OCR should NOT
Rodney, the OCR should NOT (infact NEVER) be a tool too solely propped up a property ponzi scheme funded by the greedy deluded and unproductive people in society. It's a tool for controlling 'inflation' and should be used to make sure your NZ dollar is still worth something in 5 years time. Home owners made a choice to throw their money at banks in the form of interest payments. What choice do they have when they find their dollar now buys bugger all compared to 5 years ago?
It is a very rare event,
It is a very rare event, indeed unique, that I agree with Mallard. The pitball thinks Carter is crook..in the head...that nothing else could explain Carter's daft effort at getting rid of the fill in. My agreement arises not because Carter had a go...but because he thinks Cunliffe is the one who can win for Labour.....yes yes I know it's just too funny for words, but putting this fabulous comedy to one side, we can see an opening for National to get its finger out and make with the action man moves. Labour are now preoccupied with the task of keeping Goff's image intact without tarnishing Cunliffes knowing neither one has a chance in hell of winning any election this side of the 22nd century.
So, we can ask the govt, will there be some real action to rebalance this economy NOW, or is the govt determined to waste this golden own goal by Labour.
You forget National has a
You forget National has a mandate of steady as she goes....
They have no mandate for a lurch to the right, time and time again its shown that a lurch either way is a death nell for the Govn of the day....
regards
Also you would be insane to
Also you would be insane to try massive changes at any time let alone right now....and look at Govns (not nz especially) success in fixing things...like abysmal....
Sensible, thoughtful, middle of the road boring keeps the bond vigilates happy....and the peeps...
regards
Carter is right Goff has
Carter is right Goff has little chance against smiling asassin Key........
Love or hate Key, or HC they had/have a bit of class, a presence, something Goff wouldnt know if he fell over it, charisma in a word.
regards
For all her many faults,
For all her many faults, Clark had presence and some serious intellect. Dunno what can be said for Key. He appears to have neither. If he does, he's hiding it well.
Wally.... if you recall I
Wally.... if you recall I called this one as far back as when Cunnie was a guest poster....Carter has nominated Kun Li the usurper as a means of best chance of a return to the party as it were and in that Carter is only interested in Carter.... what a Boob... the hysterical outburst would have had more impact in a dress methinks....however do not underestimate Kun Li he is as ambitious as he is cunning....... he will be looking at the Philistine with veiled contempt and plotting his demise albeit quietly..slowly....in the interim he will remain the good servant top the King of silly walks.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bus
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10662827
Who wrote the title for this
Who wrote the title for this article? The 'but ' should be an 'and'
"But" means, there's no need
"But" means, there's no need to panic."And' would mean, do so!
It should say: Prices are
It should say:
Prices are down, but property still taking longer to sell.
yes I saw that title too -
yes I saw that title too - terrible writing
In March 2008, BH describes
In March 2008, BH describes Bollard contending strongly that the OCR should stay at 8.2% throughout 2008 as NZ food prices had risen. Hello AB, the world was about to meltdown but I guess you had your orders to screw as many families and persuade them to fix at 8 or 9% before you got your orders from IMF etc to drastically drop the OCR later.
Meanwhile in 2008 BH was warning all home-owners that house prices were about to drop 30% plus. Also BH was warning home-owners that the banks were about start knocking on their door because their 20% equity had fallen - and that we would be facing 11 or 12% interest rates.
This site must be full of the most misleading, negative mis-information in a NZ forum. Noone knows what the future holds, and past trends are less valid in a global crisis.
NZ will go into emergency mode shortly - as NZ Banks are now dealing with many people in financial crisis with lost jobs, retailers liquidating, small business closing, and like the USA people will be cutting their utilities, phone etc, stop driving their cars to survive. Then AB will reluctantly have to lower the OCR to try to resucitate the patient.....
Oh well, it may focus us on the important things in life rather than earning, saving & having a comfortable nest ... and with no property investors then all these smug renters with their wheelbarrows of cash to buy a loaf of bread will have to live on the street ....
If there had been no
If there had been no international monetary crisis interest rates would not have fallen to the emergency levels we have now enjoyed for some time.These low levels of interest rates look like all they have done is postpone the pain we are now enduring in NZ in both business and home balance sheets. Too much debt in a lot of them and now we are seeing a devaluation of both business and residential assets. This decline is now really getting into its stride. I would not be too quick to criticise BH for his 30% prediction. Some parts of NZ are already there and others have seen a decline in the last two months that is rapidly gaining steam.
Yes it is an interesting
Yes it is an interesting article. I have followed Roneys reports for some time and he does give good detail and analysis.
However i think he has a bee in his bonnet with the RBNZ. He did work for them for a while. I wonder what happend?
In some of Rodneys earlier ravings he criticises the RBNZ for not acting soon enough which created inflation and a housing bubble and suggested they should be a step ahead of the economy. Now they are a step ahead he still wants to critisize their actions.
Yes the property market is slow but Burnard has been constantly reminding us that we need real growth and not debt fueled growth. Doesnt the OCR rise help to reduce any growth from a debt fuelled activety?
Nice one Rodney..{:>)
Nice one Rodney..{:>)
Re Rodney Dickens’
Re Rodney Dickens’ piece on the wisdom of the latest RBNZ hike, is this the same guy who wrote back in April that the RBNZ should hike rates, and quickly, so that it didn’t repeat its mistake of being too lax over the last cycle? To quote, Rodney said back in April, when the RBNZ was becoming upbeat and hawkish that ”This time around the RBNZ’s forecasts for economic growth, the unemployment rate, inflation and interest rates are more realistic. The RBNZ’s latest forecasts suggest that Governor Bollard will not wait until inflation gains a foothold before starting to hike the OCR. However, again encouraged by a number of bank economists, the RBNZ is still going to be slow out of the blocks.” Or is this guy just good at making himself look good when it suits him?
Any mention of inflation here
Any mention of inflation here Rodney? A quick search revealed not one hit. Lets not forget that controlling inflation is the primary reason the RBNZ exists.
At the top right of the home
At the top right of the home page the number has now changed to 73.