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The New Zealand Tax Podcast – a new Minister of Revenue, Inland Revenue wants to help the construction industry, and taking GST off food is on the table

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The New Zealand Tax Podcast – a new Minister of Revenue, Inland Revenue wants to help the construction industry, and taking GST off food is on the table
Good idea, Bad policy


This week has been a very busy week politically in the tax world, starting with a Cabinet reshuffle after David Parker relinquished his role as Minister of Revenue. In his own words, he felt that his position had become untenable in the wake of the decision by Prime Minister Chris Hipkins to rule out a wealth tax and capital gains tax for the foreseeable future.

Parker has been replaced by Barbara Edmonds, who has an interesting background in that she worked in Inland Revenue for some time prior to becoming an MP in 2020. In 2016 she was seconded from Inland Revenue to work as private Secretary to the then Ministers of Revenue, first Michael Woodhouse and then Judith Collins. (This is actually something that happens quite commonly with Inland Revenue officials working closely alongside other ministerial officials). In 2017, she then became a political adviser to Stuart Nash after he became Minister of Revenue. So, she's got a very good background on the portfolio.  

One of the things I think she might read with some amusement is what's called a Briefing to Incoming Minister. Whenever there's a change of minister the relevant department prepares a briefing to that minister, setting out their role and the key challenges ahead for as the particular ministry.  I suspect Edmonds has been involved in preparing several of those. But this time she will be receiving one as recipient. The change is probably what you might call unforced, but it’s part of the fallout of the decision to not continue down the path of imposing a wealth or capital gains tax.

Signs of strain in the construction industry?

Moving on Inland Revenue has started a pilot programme to provide some support for those construction industry, or customers in the misguided terminology, in my view, of Inland Revenue. It's intended to provide “tailored assistance” to help those in the industry through various stages of business. The intention is to have “meaningful discussions” with taxpayers in that industry about the business, how they're doing, offering guidance and support about tax and entitlements. These will also involve “promoting the benefits of having a tax agent or bookkeeper”.

Long-time listeners of the podcast will know that when Inland Revenue was in the early stages of its Business Transformation program, tax agents felt, with some justification, that they'd been shut out of the process. It's now interesting to see that Inland Revenue has realised that tax agents actually have a key role to play in the system and are encouraging their use. Good to see.

This is an interesting initiative by Inland Revenue. It probably speaks to strains that they are seeing within the construction sector, slow payments, people getting behind in tax debt, tax returns, etc.. This pilot program is an initiative to front foot those issues. I’m all in favour of Inland Revenue taking steps like this and moving forward I think it would be wrong to ever adopt the idea that any call from Inland Revenue is a bad call, that you're in trouble. Sometimes they come in and they may have some suggestions about what to do and how to manage scenarios which can be very constructive.

In every case I've ever dealt with, if you front foot issues around slow payment, failure to file returns, whatever with Inland Revenue, you will find that they are receptive to those advances. A key part of their job is to promote voluntary compliance and help the smooth running of the system. As part of this it does matter if people can build trust that the Inland Revenue is actually, if not entirely on your side, a rather fairer referee than people might expect.

Te Pāti Māori go big on tax reform

Moving on, as I said, it's been a busy week politically. We've had the effective resignation of David Parker as Minister of Revenue, and then yesterday Te Pāti Māori released their tax policy. Firstly you could not accuse them of being very limited in their ambition. In fact it’s a very ambitious policy.

The executive summary begins “We have a broken tax system in this country which has fuelled extreme wealth inequality that is only getting worse.” So, that’s the starting base point. In my view there are definite strains in the tax system, and we are seeing more and more of those emerge.

The key proposals are for GST to be removed from “kai”, lower income tax for those low incomes which is to be paid for by increasing income tax on those earning more than $200,000 and raising the company tax rate from 28% to 33% (also a Green Party proposal).  

The key revenue raising measure, which is probably no surprise, is a wealth tax. As you know the Green Party also proposed a wealth tax on net wealth over $2 million. Under Te Pāti Māori’s proposals a 2% wealth tax on net wealth over $2 million is the starting point. However, if your net wealth is over $5 million, the rate is 4% and then if it’s over $10 million the rate rises to 8%.

From the work done for Treasury and Inland Revenue on the Government's abortive wealth tax we have some idea of how many people might be affected by a wealth tax. An entry threshold of $3 million would have affected 99,000. The final design modelled for the Government was based on a $5 million threshold which would have affected 46,000 people. The report estimated the number of taxpayers who would have had net wealth in excess of $10 million as 16,000. So, it's a pretty targeted group.

Te Pāti Māori have some fairly ambitious numbers on this. They believe that they their wealth tax would raise $23 billion per annum, which is a pretty significant amount of tax, in fact just a bit over 20% of the current tax take.

The wealth tax would be used to set income tax thresholds as follows:

Te Pāti Māori estimate 3.8 million people would benefit from their proposed tax cut package. They're also, as I said, removing GST from “kai”. How that gets defined is going to be interesting and we'll talk more about that in a minute.

There are several other new tax proposals. A proposed Overseas Financial Transfer Tax of 2%. This is to apply to overseas companies operating in New Zealand and will be additional to the company tax rate, which by the way, they propose increasing to 33%. This seems to represent some form of withholding tax. I imagine there might be quite a few double tax agreement issues involved in this.

A Land Banking Tax will be payable on all land that has not begun to be developed within four years of purchase. In addition, there will be a Vacant House Tax which would be payable on all properties that do not have a tenant after a six-month period.

Tackling tax evasion

One other interesting proposal is to tackle tax evasion which they say is “approximately $7 billion” annually. I think this number might also include tax avoidance which has an important distinction from tax evasion. Te Pāti Māori propose to invest $500 million into adequately resourcing the Serious Fraud Office and Inland Revenue to investigate and address these issues. This would be a colossal funding boost to both organisations. In the case of Inland Revenue, it would more than double its capacity and it would be a massive lift also for the Serious Fraud Office. So that's an interesting one proposal, which is probably off the radar, but might be one of those things that actually gets pushed through when parties sit down to negotiate after the Election.

A Government leek?

Te Pāti Māori proposals got overshadowed by an apparent leak from within the Labour Party, immediately denied, that they were considering removing GST from food.

I'm often asked about the question of removing GST from food because on the face of it, it seems a fairly obvious thing to do. This happens in Australia and in many other GST/Value Added Tax (VAT) jurisdictions around the world food is zero rated to use the correct terminology. So if it can be done elsewhere, why can't we do it here?

I'm in the group of tax policy advisers who are pretty much unanimous in thinking that after establishing a comprehensive GST, which included everything, we shouldn't be tinkering too much around the edges and introducing exemptions, particularly ones such as food, which will turn out to be pretty costly. Te Pāti Māori estimates the cost of GST free kai to be between $3 billion and $5 billion.

Marshmallows and Max Jaffa

Our objections are firstly around the principle of not upsetting the purity of GST (and it’s one for which we get a fair bit of flak). There are actually really practical reasons around this matter. Like it or not, there are definitional issues around here and listeners to the podcast will recall when I discussed a recent UK VAT case involving marshmallows which because of their unusual size they qualified to be zero rated. There’s also the famous Max Jaffa VAT case which I explained on TVNZ on Friday.

Over in Australia they've had zero rating issues boundary issues around bread. In every jurisdiction around the world with GST/VAT these issues all arise. So, thinking because this is such a good thing to do, doesn't bypass those problems.

Secondly, as I mentioned, it's expensive. What do you do elsewhere? You're giving away revenue as a tax cut so that’s got to be funded. In Britain, for example, the standard rate of VAT is 20%, and across Europe you will see rates of 20-25% and more as common. This trade off has to be taken into consideration, which is not considered too much by proponents.

And then finally, there is a very flawed assumptions that the full benefit of a cut will flow through to the customers. There is little evidence of that actually happening. The Tax Working Group looked at this issue and was not a fan.

Interestingly, the evidence it gathered from Europe was that whilst the majority of any general rate in cut in VAT (for example reducing the rate to 12.5%) did flow through to benefit consumers, in relation to specific incentives the estimate was that only 30% passed through.

Podcast listeners will know that I've cited Dan Neidle and Tax Policy Associates in the UK’s review of a couple of initiatives where VAT was reduced to zero. In one case the reduction in e-books, they saw no benefit passing through to consumers.

Well meant but poorly targeted policy?

Removing GST from fresh fruit and vegetables is a good example which VAT/GST specialist Professor Rita de la Feria of the University of Leeds has pointed out is a well-meant but ultimately poor policy.

Ultimately in my view the question about wanting to do something about cutting GST comes back to giving people some more money. Now we can do that through income tax cuts or with properly targeted payments to assist the low-income groups that are hardest hit.

This is something for our politicians to actually front up and address, because when you read the officials’ analysis (and it was in the papers relating to a tax-free allowance), they usually suggest it's better to give more targeted reliefs in the form of direct benefits rather than widespread initiatives. And every time the politicians shy away from such proposals for whatever reason, maybe they think there's no votes in it or whatever, but the principle still stands.

So, it will be interesting to see what Labour's actual tax policies will be, whether they will run with removing GST on fresh fruit and vegetables. The proposal certainly seems popular.

But I'm actually quite glad to see political parties thinking big about tax and saying we need to do something radical in the area. Te Pāti Māori is the latest alongside Act, the Greens and TOP. All have made serious suggestions about significant changes to our tax system, whereas the two main parties seem to be just offering little more than fiddling around the margins. Anyway, we'll no doubt see more in the coming weeks. And as always, we will bring you the news as it develops.

That’s all for this week. I’m Terry Baucher and you can find this podcast on my website www.baucher.tax or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for listening and please send me your feedback and tell your friends and clients. Until next time, kia pai to rā. Have a great day.

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GOOD IDEA, The gnats let the chipkins cat out of the bag

There should be no gst on those home gardener bags of fertiliser, if the gst is coming  off fruit and veg

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You could start to wonder if Robertson & Parker, thwarted on their pet wealth tax imposition, have put a torpedo across Hipkin’s bows not only out of pique but more importantly because they know full well such adjustment to GST is not viable , a burdensome over-complication that will soon be nullified by such as the supermarkets steadily returning prices at retail to as they pre-existed. Because, if Hipkins does now announce the proposal the thunder has been stolen by National and he then just confirms that his caucus/cabinet has sprung a rather nasty leak. And if he doesn’t, then he looks weak because he has backed down, been overruled somehow. Bit of a bind,  at times, politics surely can be.

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Very good FG, makes sense

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You are literally picking the eyes of the whole gst on food from marshmallows to ebooks. Wow like most of us are feeding our families on that. Remeber how tax experts economists and opposition political parties said that when Labour first got in and changed the law on overseas buyers of properties. How everyone said no to difficult all our FTDs and overseas buyers will jump up and down etc etc well it didn't happen. Food should not have GST especially fruit and veggies and you can definitely tell the difference from that to a KFC burger. Also let's look at the overall benefit. Obesity and the health issues KFC and the like cause yetbecause its cheaper than fruit and veggies is consumed more put those figures in the grand scheme of things when balancing the books and makes what you put forward a bit obselete

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He's in good company with talk back hosts Heather and Kerre. But seriously the idea is a waste of time and effort. Its a gonner sorry to say

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If we are talking about taking GST off kai to save money and improve health outcomes then why not take it to the extreme? As a thought experiment, instead of taking 15% off everything (coke and lollies included) just make 10 fruit, veg and staple products free? (ie banannas, apples, potatoes, broccoli, kumara, carrots, milk, wheatbix, bread, frozen mixed veggies)

Healthier communities, no possible complaining about cost, no more excuses for KFC, reduced burden on the health system, no more school lunches required, no more hungry kids, better educational outcomes. 

As a tax payer if it is going to be a costly solution I would prefer a specific, measurable, positive outcome I can point a finger at.

A long forgotten 15% discount that will be absorbed by all the hands along the production chain, be a nightmare to implement, and the Maori party and Greens will be beating the beating the same drum with a new "solution" next election cycle. 

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The problem defining what is and what is not healthy is actually really difficult; you could like live on KFC (and even lose weight on it) simply by counting your calories. It's not what people are eating, it's how much they eat. Additionally who is more healthy, a vegan or someone on the carnivore diet? You'll be surprised to hear the carnivore diet is arguably healthier. Fruit is very unhealthy if you consider the amount of sugars in a serving of fruit.

Government shouldn't define what people should eat though, but through a tax they could pressure people to make healthier choices, but again - the jury's out on what is actually healthy. So it's probably better just to tax everything but give citizens bit of a break by changing tax thresholds, since NZ can't live within its means. Left wing governments (and left wing ones running small countries in the middle of the pacific with no experience specifically) don't need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to these policies.

October will be interesting to observe, but can I have popcorn? is that okay to eat?

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While a agree with you in principle. The facts prove us wrong and are getting worst. Obesity and poor health are going to only go up in costs. And as we know any govt dept that puts a figure on anything is usually well behind the 8 ball. And like my example in my first quote on the govt changing laws on overseas buyers while every so called business intelligent know it all said no you can't do that. Well they did good or bad they still did it. We have had this same excuse since GST first came in yet has things improved nope they have got way worst and will continue to do so. He'll will have too freeze over before I vote for TPM or the f...wit greens but on this I do agree with them

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I don't see why they try to intimate they have to reinvent the wheel. It can only be about delaying and obfuscating, considering they could just follow Australia like they so often do for everything else.  It's all on the ATO's website for them to copy...https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/GST/In-detail/Your-industry/Food/GST-and-food/?anchor=GSTfreefood

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Clearly there should be no GST on the gardening page of my local newspaper.  But of course GST applies to the other pages.

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Not all of them but enough to cause 20+ percent increases in house price every year for several years

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Take GST off New Zealand grown food only, has to be fresh food (fruit and Vege) not processed (apart from frozen, not tinned etc). Only processed food allowed is NZ milk, cheese and yogurt. Not ice cream or cream based products

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... and any food beginning with F, on every second Wednesday, but only for people with names totalling between 6 and 14 letters. 

A complicated system simply adds cost to retailers and most importantly doesn't flow to consumers necessarily. 

 

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Any wealth tax would violate our double tax agreements with countries like the United States.  Those treaties would have to be re-negotiated. The greens and Maori Party seem oblivious to this fact.

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If anything should be subsidised or even provided free it should be steak. Behold how packed with vitamins and minerals the steak is: The Ribeye

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Sensible to include meat.

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Be watchful. During a time of long hours and high executive stress  I relied on an easy quick meal grilling porterhouse or rib eye virtually nightly along with steamed veged . Exercise was half hour hill runs &  C1 squash four times a week. Once retired got hit with bowel cancer. Now that might have been stress as had been in bare knuckle fight with EQC & insurers but I apart from a bit of lamb now and then, found I had developed an instinctive aversion to beef steak. Just me & my body of course but keep those colonoscopies going

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The website simplenewzealand calculates that 'Depending on the location, a single person in New Zealand spends between $107 and $134 weekly on food, while a couple will need $230. A family of four should budget $400 weekly to have a healthy diet.'

The GST on that ranges from $13 a week to $17.50 a week.

It might be more efficient to pay everyone in New Zealand a $17.50-a-week UBI to help with the food bill, and leave the GST alone. There would also be the advantage of targeting: excluding people with high incomes.

The cost would approach $5 billion a year, but so would the cost of taking GST off food.

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I think you could easily send low income citizens a benefits card they could swipe at the checkout to cancel out their GST.

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Or even better, you just increase the lower tax bracket by $250 and then everyone pays $17.50 less in tax.  

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Food affordability is not a tax issue. It's a competition issue. The focus should be on why the government is wheeling out failed tax policies from elections ago out of sheer desperation, when it should be fronting up over how poor its Commerce Commission market study responses have been, and whether they ever really contemplated using them properly or if they were just announcements to head off bad news when National looked like they were getting momentum.

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What failed tax policies is this government wheeling out? and rumours made up by National's Deputy Leader don't count.

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I like the idea of no GST on fresh vegetables, not processed so frozen peas, carrots, etc are not fresh. The biggest problem is that the supermarkets and vege shops will play fast and loose on 15% saving and that is the only reason not to implement it.

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