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BNZ chief economist says nobody in the past five years has been able to predict interest rate levels

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BNZ chief economist says nobody in the past five years has been able to predict interest rate levels

BNZ chief economist Tony Alexander believes that fixed-term mortgage rates will rise further over the next few months - even before the Reserve Bank starts raising official rates next year.

Alexander told interest.co.nz that recent moves by the big banks on mortgage rates were mainly influenced, firstly by an expectation that the RBNZ would be raising rates next year, but more particularly by increases in the cost of funds from offshore for banks. Those rises in interest rates offshore were due to expectations that the US Federal Reserve would soon start to "taper" its quantitative easing programme.

"It hasn’t even started yet but it has already had a big impact on their currency, sharemarket, interest rates and that’s the key reason why our fixed rates have gone up so far.

"In terms of where they go it is a relative no-brainer. Unless we get foot and mouth, unless the world economy falls over – and the data most recently are actually the opposite, they are improving out there in China the UK, Europe, the US etc – unless that happens these interest rates go up and it is simply a question of trying to pick where is the peak going to be, what will the levels be, how fast will interest rates go up.

"And the very strong warning I would give everybody there is, no-one in New Zealand and probably any other country for the past five years has a record of any accuracy in forecasting interest rates.

"They are going to go up and the tendency at the start of these interest rate cycles is to under-estimate how high they are going to go."

Alexander says it can therefore be expected that there will be further rises in fixed rates - though probably not floating rates - over the next few months. Though perhaps the rate rises in the next few months would not be as much as had been seen just recently.

"…If you are looking at moving some of your interest rate exposure from floating into fixed then the incentive is to move sooner rather than later."

What would he do?

So, if Alexander himself were looking are organising a mortgage at the moment, what would he be doing?

"I would be looking for somebody maybe offering some sort of discounted rate in the three to five year area. Hey, they’ve just gone up, so, whatever I’m doing now is going to be more expensive than two weeks or maybe six weeks ago.

"I would still be looking to have a mixture of floating, sort of six, 12, 18-month fixed because that’s where the banks are concentrating their competition. You get some nice low interest rate there. Concentrate on paying down your principal. But I would want some security against what might happen this cycle.

'Not fixing at all'

"Two year is not fixing at all. There is a tiny amount of security bought there. You need to be looking at maybe moving maybe a third of your mortgage towards a three to five year area. You are going to be paying more to do that. But it is like an insurance premium against the Reserve Bank having to tighten aggressively further out. We don’t think they are going to have to. But that’s exactly what we thought in sort of 2003-04 as well and they ended up having to move a long way." 

The Reserve Bank is introducing so-called speed limits on high loan to value mortgage lending from October 1. See here for articles on LVRs.

The RBNZ is picking annual house price inflation to peak at about 10% within the next six months and then fall - to about 4% - by the end of next year. It expects that the LVR measures could trim 1 percentage to 4 percentage points - or to take a midpoint, say 2.5 percentage points - off house price inflation.

Is that a believable forecast?

"Well, not really believable, no," Alexander says.

"I’ve never seen anybody plonk in front of me what I consider to be a good model for forecasting interest rates. I’ve seen some pretty sophisticated stuff over the past couple of decades and its been completely wrong."

Likewise, Alexander believes that the RBNZ picks for the peak of inflation over the coming years - at around 2.2% - may end up falling short.

Initiatives such as the Auckland Housing Accord, with its target of 39,000 new houses for the Auckland housing region in the next three years are likely to prove inflationary.

Inflation risks

"The risk is it [inflation] goes higher than what the Reserve Bank have got there at the moment."

Alexander says the resources are not going to be there for the big Auckland build. He points to the fact that there is already strong competition for labour even with relatively high unemployment.

"You’ve got nil and Buckley’s chance, as the Australians say, of this 39,000 extra houses being built in Auckland in the next three years. It’s simply not going to happen.

“I certainly applaud all the efforts being made to free up land, to speed up the consenting process etc but in some regards freeing up land, it won’t make much difference because you might have more land available but that doesn’t do anything at all to change the deficiency of availability of the builders, of the surveyors of the engineers, of the drain diggers etc. That will be a key constraint. It will push inflation up.”

Monitoring

Alexander notes that the RBNZ have said they will be monitoring the extent not just of house price rises but of construction costs feeding through to the rest of the economy.

"The risk is [that it will be] more than they are thinking. The risk is that interest rates are going to have to be given a wallop by the Reserve Bank – not so much next year. Maybe 2015 and 16."

Alexander doubts that house price inflation will peak at just 10%.

"History would certainly say no, you are probably going to peak at something greater than that. But look every interest rate cycle, every economic cycle, housing cycle is different."

Unique

Alexander says the "unique aspect" this time around is the Christchurch rebuild. But he also points to the shortage of housing in Auckland and how people will react to that shortage as a key factor this time around.

"If people are strongly of the opinion the shortage is there, the shortage is going to continue they are going to remain willing to borrow money and try and buy a property as soon as they can even as the interest rates go up.

"So, that shortage element in Auckland is the new thing and I would suggest in particular a rising awareness over time of ‘the shortage isn’t going to disappear is it?’. We’ve been looking at a shortage in Australia now for about eight or nine years and it is also getting worse.

Ongoing shortages

"Many parts of the world are moving to a sustained housing shortage situation and that’s going to be it for the entirety of this housing cycle in New Zealand."

Alexander has previously said he thinks floating mortgage rates could peak at around 8.5% in the next three or four years - and he still believes that.

"I think there is upside risk out there and that’s why if I were a borrower I would be looking at some of that three to five year fixed interest rate. You know coverage basically. Two years isn’t going to really give you protection against that.

"...Uncertainty is still through the roof out there in the world economy and when you’ve got massive uncertainty it pays to try and lock down some of your variable costs. So, even if I didn’t have the suspicion that there’s a bit more inflation out there down the track than people are thinking I would still be talking personally myself in terms of taking out some fixed interest rate cover."      

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This annoys the hell out of me reading this.

First, no definite decision has been made regarding tapering back of QE.

Secondly the OCR has not moved up, so why do banks take it upon themselves to increase rates now rather than later.

Thirdly, the offshore rise in interest rates has simply been met by NZer's while the banks maintain their excessive margins and profits.

Finally, can anyone shed some light as to whether AU, UK, US and other EU banks have lifted fixed rates as a direct result of the above three points.

Maybe then I can stand to be corrected.

The other deciding factor and perhaps the biggest factor is the rate of inflation. Do we have any recent data suggesting this has blown through 1%? Isn't this the catalyst for OCR hikes?

This scaremongering whether it be true or not makes my blood boil! Punters panic and take on inflated fixed rates - reducing competition between banks.

Now the LVR's have created purchasing power for those sitting relatively pretty to those folk sitting just below 20% equity.

I can see that some would argue the banks are protecting punters by addressing the forecasted interest rate hikes but I don't see how the RBNZ would consider sharp increases over the next two years. 

Our economy, supposedly in growth mode is dictating this idea; however, an over-valued $NZ and high unemployment 6.7% (yes - high! The Aussies are concerned there's may reach 6% by years end!!)

Watch for the next quarterly profit report from the big four - perhaps they could cut NZer's some slack and reduce their profits for the good of the economy.

 

 

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"The other deciding factor and perhaps the biggest factor is the rate of inflation. Do we have any recent data suggesting this has blown through 1%? Isn't this the catalyst for OCR hikes?"

1% ?! If they did not (wrongly) ignore property price inflation in the inflation index calculations, the answer would be obvious.

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The Policy Targets Agreement clearly sets out the terms of the RBNZ's engagement with such factors.

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You talk about policies as if they are some kind of laws of nature / physics. Unlike laws of nature, policies can be wrong, re-considered, re-negotiated and modified. Not taking property price inflation into account when calculating inflation indeces (increase in living costs) is, IMO, wrong.

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I said nothing of the sort - I just pointed out where to view the RBNZ Governor's current monetary mandate.

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I never suggested that the RBNZ ignore the property price inflation. Isn't that why there's this whole palava of increasing rates to control property prices? 

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dobrydan, interest rates are moving up because the money markets are more forward looking than you.

 

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comment of the day

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Dear Landlord,

Could you elaborate further please? What does "the money markets are more forward looking" actually mean?? Is this good for homeowners, the economy, property investors, banks????

Regards,

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Rising interest rates means our economy is showing signs of growth in the future.

A growing economy will be good for everyone living in New Zealand and a hell of a lot of people living outside New Zealand to.

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Thanks Landlord,

My one issue is that "our economy is showing 'signs' of growth in the future" does not justify premature rate hikes. Fair enough if the country was "really" shifting forward then naturally interest rates need to rise. We seem to be riding on the CChch rebuild and Auckland's housing crisis... the rest of NZ appear to be ignored when justifying any economic decisions.

Higher mortgage repayments (and rents passed on), higher $NZ (reduced earnings for exporters + greater job losses) and no 'real' wage increases means that the average New Zealander won't see too many benefits from an immediate OCR rise.

If inflation was approaching 2% then I would say fair game to an OCR rise.

 

I agree with you on one thing: It will be good for a hell of a lot of people living outside NZ.

Regards,

 

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"And the very strong warning I would give everybody there is, no-one in New Zealand and probably any other country for the past five years has a record of any accuracy in forecasting interest rates.

 

Take it easy, Tony Alexander - we have Roger Kerr, who knows exactly where rates are headed and he repeatedly tells us so.

 

I have been accused in the past by some mainstream economists of being a habitual “Pollyanna” on the economy (biased to the positive or always overly optimistic).

 

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Stephen you're right about Roger actually...but funnily enough I've been following both his and Tony's commentaries quite closely regarding interest rate movements and found that they often weren't off the same page.

When I saw them both singing in unison about 2 months ago, waxing lyrically  about long term swap rates rising, .that's when we decided to chuck our sizable motgage off floating and got a decent 5.90% locked in for 5 years.

The following week every single bank started their steady climbs with rate changes...and it's still going.

Never fixed that long in our lives but I'm almost sure it was the right call.

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Does it matter to fix or float.  If you are living in Auckland with a half million dollar mortgage.  Where you have no disposible income left after paying that mortgage.  And you aren't making any reduction significant principal reduction so essentially you will be locked in for 30 plus years.   Floating or 18 months or two years is not going to save you.  There is not much difference.

Option A.   Pray for inflation.  Pray hard

Option B.  Move to Bluff like Marcus.  And if the wife and kids won't come.  There is a silver lining in that giving up half your assets won't be hard.  You don't have any.

Option C.  Put head in sand.  Feel the glow of the wealth effect.  Increase the mortgage accordingly.   Put your name down early for a pensioner flat.  Because when you hit the older person income wall that will be where you are going to be.

 

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Yesterday's man....with yesterday's outlook.

Sure I can accept NZ and NZ institutions will have problems borrowing as we are a risky currency with an over-weight in over-priced property...substantially caused by the above yesterday's man and his ilk....

No one predicted how it was going to go? Steve Keen didnt? Paul Krugman? re-iterated by myself?

Watch the next 5 years TA.....OCR will be down, it has to, to stop us imploding....might well see the odd saw tooth in-between but past peak oil guarantee's it, its just when.

 

regards

 

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...OCR will be down, it has to, to stop us imploding.

 

NZ is already imploding - which suggests rates will have to rise to compensate for heightened credit risk.

 

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Im talking OCR, you are talking commercial rates. Which is why the banks have said they are not "hard" linked to the OCR. 

So we could see in a bad event the OCR could drop, while the commercial rates the banks borrow against rise due to perceived risk and a run for cover, yes sure.

In a good event we also see that if the FED starts to taper the money will run back to the US, hence carry trade will drop off, and commercial rates rise.  aka turkey, brazil.

We'll see...lets read the sept 1/4 inflation and then December....if its still below 1% raising the OCR seems very hard to justify......the banks of course could take severe political flak if they are forced to raise.

regards

 

 

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Im talking OCR, you are talking commercial rates

 

Please explain the function of a non-commercial rate of interest and how it operates in the banking system associated with this universe?

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What it used to do and well now is interesting. From what the CEO said I suspect it (is/was) little more than a smoke cloud the commercial banks hid behind to allow the RB to take the flak for them pumping up rates, no matter what they borrowed at.

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary_policy/about_monetary_policy/0072140.h…

"Although the OCR influences New Zealand’s market interest rates, it is not the only factor doing so. Market interest rates – particularly for longer terms – are also affected by the interest rates prevailing offshore since New Zealand financial institutions are net borrowers in overseas financial markets. Movements in overseas rates can lead to changes in interest rates even if the OCR has not changed."

regards

 

 

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well its the monthly quick fix lecture. we all know the world will follow NZ with higher rates

right right??

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well its the monthly quick fix lecture. we all know the world will follow NZ with higher rates

right right??

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Fed tapering is possible to start next week.  Central bank intervention is coming to an end or reduced intervention. What we don't know is if its going to be smooth or expect volatility. QE is likely to continue but not at the same level of money printing. Many people believe that Fed tapering of bonds will result in higher rates globally, however the impact might result in the opposite direction and rates might fall first and rebound later on.  The bond market is a concern long term as the symptoms of inflation will be more noticeable and will happen everywhere at once. 

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Inflation, not very likely, ppl need to be getting pay rises and un-employment needs to be falling...cant see much evidence of this...

If the last debacle was an indiction, very volitile.

Short term as the Fed tapers, yes rates might rise....then we will plunge into a depression and they'll floor....Fed chairman / women of the day will go.

regards

 

 

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Go well Bernard.  You have done well.

6 years of finding something for the critical common taters to rebutt.  But wait, ............  this lot would rebutt anything.    Ummmh.  Won't take that thread any further.  It's too ride even for Friday jokey time.

Anyway - looking forward to Wednesdays.   And slightly curious as to what else you are turning your hand to.

 

 

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( I think Mr KH means to have this comment over in today's TOP 10 section )

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Shhh...GBH, your gonna wake im up...!

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