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Tuesday's Top 10: The chicken of government debt or the egg of slow growth; It's Japan vs Korea in the currency wars; NZ house prices 61% over-valued; Auckland a land bankers' paradise; How private equity deals hurt companies; Dilbert

Tuesday's Top 10: The chicken of government debt or the egg of slow growth; It's Japan vs Korea in the currency wars; NZ house prices 61% over-valued; Auckland a land bankers' paradise; How private equity deals hurt companies; Dilbert
This daily collection of links and comment was previously sponsored by NZ Mint. We'd welcome a new sponsor.

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 am today.

As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

See all previous Top 10s here.

My must read today is on whether government debt slows growth or is caused by slow growth at #1.

1. The chicken or the egg? - Does slow growth cause high government debt? Or does high government debt cause slow growth?

This is a question that has dominated economic debate over the last four years or so.

The academic research by Reinhart and Rogoff from 2008 and 2009 seemed to have settle the debate by saying the debt caused the slow growth, rather than the other way around.

The huge kerfuffle over a bad spreadsheet used by Reinhart/Rogoff has reopened the debate.

Here's University of Michigan Economics Professor Miles Kimball and student Yichuan Wang concluding at Quartz that it was the slow growth that caused the debt.

And they have a fancy chart below to back up their argument.

It's worth debating this. Remember, our government is completely focused on government debt reduction, even though at under 30% of GDP it is vastly lower than the 90% threshold referred to by Reinhart and Rogoff as the tipping point for slowing growth.

Here's Kimball and Wang:

Here is what we did to focus on long-run effects: to avoid being confused by business-cycle effects, we looked at the relationship between national debt and growth in the period of time from five to 10 years later. In their paper “Debt Overhangs, Past and Present,” Carmen Reinhart and Ken Rogoff, along with Vincent Reinhart, emphasize that most episodes of high national debt last a long time. That means that if high debt really causes low growth in a slow, corrosive way, we should be able to see high debt now associated with low growth far into the future for the simple reason that high debt now tends to be associated with high debt for quite some time into the future.

Here is the bottom line. Based on economic theory, it would be surprising indeed if high levels of national debt didn’t have at least some slow, corrosive negative effect on economic growth. And we still worry about the effects of debt. But the two of us could not find even a shred of evidence in the Reinhart and Rogoff data for a negative effect of government debt on growth.

2. Don't turn off the drip just yet - Reuters reports global manufacturing is still struggling, meaning it's too early to 'taper' the money printing and bond buying.

3. 'The gold bubble has burst' - Here's Nouriel Roubini at Project Syndicate with 6 reasons why he thinks the gold price is likely to slump below US$1,000/oz by 2015.

4 'China's silent army' - This looks like an interesting book.

The first book to examine the unprecedented growth of China's economic investment in the developing world, its impact at the local level, and a rare hands-on picture of the role of ordinary Chinese in the juggernaut that is China, Inc.
 
Beijing-based journalists Juan Pablo Cardenal and Heriberto Araújo crisscrossed the globe from 2009-2011 to investigate how the Chinese are literally making the developing world in their own image.  What they discovered is a human story, an economic story, and a political story, one that is changing the course of history and that has never been explored, or reported, in depth and on the ground.  The “silent army” to which the authors refer is made up of the many ordinary Chinese citizens working around the world - in the oil industry in Kazakhstan, mining minerals in the Democratic Republic of Congo, building dams in Ecuador, selling hijabs in Cairo - who are contributing to China's global dominance while also leaving their mark in less salutary ways. 

5. 'It's every country for themselves' - The Koreans are getting very grumpy about Japan's money printing to devalue the yen.

In response, the Japanese are telling the Koreans it's every country for themselves. Fair enough. We can't say we weren't told.

Here's FTAlphaville with the exchange:

Here’s Koichi Hamada, an economic adviser to Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, telling South Korea to get in the game and stop moaning:

“Each country can take care of itself through its own monetary policy,” Hamada, 77, said in an interview in Tokyo yesterday. South Korean officials “shouldn’t blame the Japanese central bank, they should demand the Korean central bank have a proper monetary policy,” he said.

6.  Auckland is a land banker's paradise - So says Macrobusiness' Leith van Onselen in this well argued piece referring to Anne Gibson's Weekend Herald article about the NZ$111 million in profit that the Yi Huang Trading Company is sitting on from land banking in Manukau. 

He makes a good point about lifestyle blocks. I'm not sure unlimited sprawl is the only answer though.

Here's Leith:

It’s not like Auckland and its surrounding areas doesn’t have ample land that could be made available for development. Nearly all of all Auckland’s regional rural land is held as unproductive lifestyle blocks which are in effect super low density urban residential lots appropriate for subdivision. In fact, the number of lifestyle blocks has exploded across New Zealand, increasing by around 75,000 to 175,000 over the past 13 years, and now consuming roughly 873,000 hectares (8,730 sq km) of land, compared with only around 180,000 hectares (1,800 sq km) of land used for urban uses.

In short, it is the Auckland Council that is primarily to blame for land banking and the city’s sky-high land/house prices. If they allowed open competition between land holders and developers, land prices would be much lower and homes would be far more affordable. This isn’t rocket science.

7. So over-valued - This OECD report shows New Zealand's house prices are the fourth most over-valued in the world behind Belgium, Norway and Canada.

Our houses are 61% over-valued relative to incomes and 23% over-valued relative to incomes, the OECD's spreadsheet says.

Here's what the OECD is saying about the category NZ is in:

Where houses appear overvalued but prices are still rising. This is the case in Canada, Norway, New Zealand and, to a lesser extent, Sweden. Economies in this category are most vulnerable to the risk of a price correction – especially if borrowing costs were to rise or income growth were to slow.

Now what if interest rates start rising...

Could that have an effect...

8. What happens when interest rates rise? - We are about to find out in America.

The US 10 year Treasury bond yield has risen around 50 basis points over the last month and now US mortgage rates are over 4% again. 

American households have done a lot more deleveraging than ours, but even so, what will happen when interest rates rise?

That is the big question. Many are confident the Fed will time its exit perfectly and remain a strong 'put' underneath stock, bond and property markets.

Here's WSJ's musings:

The recent spike in rates conjured up fears of a bursting bubble in bonds, a rapid and disruptive increase in interest rates that would produce big losses for individuals and institutions with big bond portfolios and raise borrowing costs across the economy. There were more than a few references this week to 1994, when Alan Greenspan's Fed raised short-term rates after a long hiatus, bond markets around the world tanked and Orange County, Calif., ended up in bankruptcy court.

But the Fed remembers that, too. Fed officials stress almost daily that they won't move abruptly and they aren't going to move unless most policy makers are confident the economy really is doing better.

"We are not sitting in Jan 1994 about to get hit with the first rate hike," David Zervos of investment bank Jefferies wrote clients Thursday. "We still have a long road to recovery and there will be fits and starts. But most importantly, we are not dealing with a Volcker or early 90s Greenspan Fed here," both of whom raised interest rates aggressively at times.

"This is the Ben and Janet show!" he wrote, referring to Mr. Bernanke and Vice Chairwoman Janet Yellen. "These guys have long advertised a policy of not removing accommodation too quickly."

9. Private equity doesn't actually improve company performance - The old lark of gearing up a company to improve its return on equity, slashing costs and then flicking it on to a buyer/stock market after a few years was all the rage from 2005 and 2007 in New Zealand and elsewhere. It's Graeme Hart's modus operandi.

We saw it used with the likes of Mediaworks and Yellow Pages to disastrous effects.

Now a study by a British university has found that private equity (which usually means debt funded) deals actually worsen the performance of a company relative to its peers. The red line below is private equity. The blue line is the rest.

Professor Wood, who is Professor of International Business at Warwick Business School, said: "What we found was the promised productivity gains of a takeover rarely materialised. Rather, there was evidence of private-equity buy-outs reducing the number of workers and squeezing wages, without making the firm more efficient.

"A year before the firms were taken over the average gap between them and the control group in terms of turnover per employee was £29,000. Four years after the buy-out that had widened to almost £89,000."

Professor Wood and his team of researchers found private-equity buy-outs underestimate the importance of the workers they end up making redundant.

10. Totally Jon Stewart on the freedom of the press.

 

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Number 4
Yeppy Dooo .. Auckland to close its Waitakere-Swanson rail service because it cant find $6 million to upgrade the stations while Yi Huang Trading Co make $112 million ..  no trouble http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10888164

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Number 4
Ooooh, it's better than that .. it's a currency play .. the Taiwan Dollar .. also known as the Yuan .. and it's pegged to the USD .. if you bought 20 years ago when the NZD/USD was somewhere else, down there .. and now its up here .. and the USD is starting to turn upwards .. and the Federal Reserve is about to cease printing ... what would you do? .. you're sitting on $200 million plus .. or there-abouts .. take the money and run ..

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Listen to the chatter ..
Pay attention now little chillins .. when the inscrutables start selling .. be careful ..

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Watching with great interest...

Lets assume the "inscrutables" are far more business savvy and think longer term than us westerners (which IMHO they do). So yes at some point they should start to profit take and bail....the only thing is, where do they take their money to?  back home? doesnt strike me as wise having got it out. Anyway lets not be surprised if they sell to kiwi developers who think they will make a killing and instead get burned...and since it will be debt financed our banks and in turn us the tax payers.

regards

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#4 The problem here is that Len Brown and his cohort in Auckland Council DO BELIEVE that they ARE Rocket Scientist. !!!

 

So a simple soluton to Auckland's housing affordability CANNOT be as simple as just letting more land be developed at the fringe...What will happen to all the fees to be paid to various "consultants" and "committees" and not to mention staff at the Council Planning unit will be unemployed !!!

 

This can all be clearly seen with the current complex and impossible to reconciled "Unitary Plan" discussion underway.

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Sorry it should be #6

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Number 4

NZ is in this play. Direct immigration to Auckland and the follow up with the old folk so that over 40% of Chinese immigrants are 50 years or older (and are able to get the pension after 10 years after perhaps never working here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10879156)   will continue until the Chinese diaspora will be able to strongly influence local and national governments. It will all end in tears I am sure. Sabre rattling between USA and China will at some point force our hand to choose between the two and how is that going to play out with social relations in NZ?

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Re #1 I have seen analysing of the R&R's data that the relationship fits much better if slow growth precedes high debt, via looking at time lags in the data between growth and debt.

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Hugh

You've done some great research with Demographia on housing affordability.

I much prefer your evidence-based approach to policy like this.

What's your evidence for this statement: "Kiwis have no intention of living in apartment rat-holes"

Have you done some research to back that up?

Spoken to any young New Zealanders in the likes of Auckland and Wellington who live in these houses? Not everyone is a young family wanting a back yard.

How does your view that the only good dwelling is a family home with a back yard and a three car garage tally with the undeniable change in family structures and the need for single person/couple households aimed at the young and the old?

Welcome your thoughts.

I enjoy a good debate Hugh. Let's keep it civil.

 

cheers

Bernard

 

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Bernard, why on earth do you think we need to do surveys of what people want and then draw up central 10 year plans to deliver it?

What markets in the world actually work this way?

Do you not understand how a quota system leads to the elimination of consumer surplus and the creation of economic rent, even if the quantities have been carefully calculated by some bureaucrat somewhere?

Do you disagree with the theoretical discussions I have posted here in the last couple of days about how supply and transport and markets work to eliminate economic rent and create consumer surplus?

Please explain where you disagree.

Or do you not understand me?

Or do you not even bother to read it?

 

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To be fair Bernard, Hugh asked questions first. Why would you expect him to answer your questions if you do not answer his?

 

I find it irritating that the same arguments are constantly rehashed and nobody seems to learn anything.

 

What is the purpose of this website? Is it just to sell advertising space or do you see some social responsibility to be part of a democratic debate to resolve the important problems that we face?

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But isn't Bernard risking killing the golden goose. The reason the volumes are so high is that people are sick of the cynical MSM, if we learn interest.co.nz is just as cynical then there is always somewhere else...

 

How long can he milk this housing issue for hit volumes before it becomes obvious he is not interested in helping move the debate on?

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I wrote about Lowell Mannings article that "he is a trained economist who is ignoring evidence which he must be aware of. That would be like a Doctor writing about a particular illness saying we just have to accept it, even though in parts of the US the incidence of the illness had been reduced by half, by utilising a particular treatment strategy. And the Doctor was ignoring a major NZ study on this issue which in its latest survey had its introduction written by the Minister of Health.  
 

We wouldn't accept this sort of quackery in health care but seem to accept it in economics."

Benards in the same danger of being labelled as a quack if he continues to write/comment on housing issues without acknowledging what has been emprirically proven to work elsewhere.

There is plenty to debate how this could be applied in New Zealand. So we should be moving in that direction with this debate.

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Hugh, Bernard doesn't need to say that he agrees with all things Hughy. I'm not sure I agree with all things Hughy.

 

But he does need to acknowledge that the sort of growth containment models that Auckland and Christchurch are attempting do not work. That the Demographia surveys has proven this causes unaffordable housing. That the evidence from Christchurch is the tight rural urban boundary is causing leap frog sprawling to satelite towns and lifestyle blocks. So the up development isn't actually happening. Basically they do not do what they promise to do.

 

So we need to replace the urban growth boundary with something less restrictive. There is some room for debate on how this might work. Who manages it, local, central government? Or new institution like MUDs. What does it mean for transport? What about having higher density zones on either side of designated transport corridors? What about future proofing for high fossil fuel prices? Should we be encourage splatter development of small villages that could be self sufficient? So not everything is clear cut. But Bernard is far too general.

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Harrrrrrrrrrrhahahaaaaa....

"A Ministerial Inquiry into the failed school payroll system has found key ministers were misled in an Education Ministry document they read prior to signing off on the go live."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10888323

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I would say Harrrrrrhahahaaaaaaaaa..........if those that did the misleading were fired.

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Re 7. Interest rate rises might pull house prices back. The problem as I see it is nz's economy won't be strong enough to justify sustained rises

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I agree, which Im hoping the RB is watching closely.  With an inflation rate of 0.9% they have to be (I hope) aware that some areas have to be under stress and deflating to get that average....and if that is made worse by rasing rates those areas might just pull the lot of us in.

I mean if council rates and power is +5% ish then somewhere that suggests there are sectors with -2% or more....ikky....

regards

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1. Actually, the rooster's dead.

2. fiat issuance doesn't build fiats.

3. no, it's always a flight-to-safety destination, and will be again before '15.

4. The opium payback. It was there in the tea-leaves, for all to read.

5. yep - and so far it's just fiscal, wait till it's fisticuffs.

6. Those who bet on trends, are just being part of the invisible hand thingy. The lifestyle blocks are a sustainable size per dwelling, and thus more sustainable than urban cram/sprawl. But - they could be allowed smaller, winter on-site drainage is the key to size. By the time you have that, you have enough ground too be self-sufficient, and more. Remember that the writer makes no mention (spinners/skewers never do) of the support acreage required for each urban dwelling. Globally, that's 2.8 hectares (more for our lifestyles, less for others.

7 that change is permanent. There will be winners, losers, but it ain't coming back, and the underwrite will keep decreasing.

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3. However that probably does not take into consideration the over-selling of buying gold as anti-inflationary from the gold bugs convinced that we were going to have huge inflation.  Problem is we have no previous model to look at to decide whats likely...

 

regards

 

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WW3 opens on the trade front!

"The European Commission has used its trade defence powers to unilaterally impose an immediate tariff of 11.8pc, rising by another 35.8pc unless Beijing agrees to increasing prices, a gambit that is undermined by widespread opposition to the import duties."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10098961/Brussels-fires-shot-in-China-solar-trade-war.html

 

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Hi Bernard,

 

Making some points: A detached home can be retrofitted into 2 flats (or more, I suppose) at any time the demand might want to move in this direction.

 

Population projections and consumer demand projections are spurious - how much immigration will the government want in the future? (of which is a bottomless pit of demand, depending on who we want). We don't know what future demand is...but, we do know that currently, today, over 85% of the market wants a detached home (ref: link). But, of course, they won't want it if they simply can't afford it (the situation of which is the Unitary plans goal). 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10879448

 

The fact is we are in a housing crisis. Young people's live are being ruined "because" we have decided in our crystal ball that we know what people will want in the future...even though these inherently spurious projections don't need to be much of our business. Housing stock can be flexible.

 

Also, promiximity won't be much of a concern soon regardless - stay tuned on the driverless revolution - it's coming! In fact so close serious commentarors can't (and don't) ignore it.

 

And don't forget there is a liberty issues here. How would you like it if I cut your house in half because Mr Andrew decided you didn't need it. You get my point.

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...And Hugh is right. The bottom line is: "How much does it cost, per square meter, to build a house in the first place".

Put housing affordability back (which is most truly and effectively defined by apples-to-apples new-build costs) and let the demand speak for itself, from there.

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AA - Hugh isn't actually interested in per-sq/m costs, not enough to bother investigating, anyway.

 

I did 135sq/m for 50,000 (ex labour, but it would only have taken 4 of us a week if you took out the extra fun suff I did) in 2005. It rates an 8 on the Homestar Rating - and I defy you to find higher. I could still do it well under the hundy, without even trying. It was holding a 20deg split over the outside frost this morning, no artificial heat applied. (but, I suppose you don't think in terms of ongoing cost?).

 

Offered the man to visit, talk, view. Not interested. Which I found rather telling.

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You got me interested in SIPs a while back PDK so I came up with a simple pavilion design of approx 100m2 and went looking for suppliers and builders. I got one quote for a completed shell with 100mm thick walls and 150mm roof, double glazing etc for $66k +gst. But talking to an architect who uses them extensively for coolstores, ACC and I presume other councils now require a 50 year guarantee on a house's frame, and as the SIPs are the frame and are only guaranteed 15 years would be very difficult to get approved. Now looking at them as cladding and roof only on a steel or timber frame.

 

I and I'm sure others here would be interested in pictures of your place and some of its features like the tromb wall you have incorporated.

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PDK once put up some links to some pictures .. can't find them any more .. would like to have another look .. nice .. interesting

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Who provides the 50 year guarantee? Who? The builder? Phoenixing? I can just see them being around in 50 years time. The suppliers? imagine all the guarantees the builder has to pass on to you. Will the supplier still be around. Or will they re-incarnate into another form.

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Presume its the suppliers. Axxis for instance now offer a 50 year guarantee on their steel frames. Haven't read the fine print. Builders, including self builds, require a 7 year water tightness guarantee I think. Good luck chasing anybody after 25 years let alone 50 years. How many of the materials suppliers have come to the party over leaky buildings?

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Try this link for a SIP construction that would provide the entire shell. http://www.magroc.co.nz/

 

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Brendon - looks interesting. Our stuff is steel/styrene/steel, and it's tongue-and-groove - the panels just lock into one another.

 

Don't worry too much about the lack of learning - this is what happens when a paradifm shift hits a society; there are the pre-warners, the catchers-on, the don't-get-it's, and the dogged prior-mantra chanters. The old man used to say it took 3 generations for an idea to sink in - the first to think it up, the second to accept it, the third to know nothing else. We don't have three generations - if folk like me are right, we don't even have the one.

 

That's how it goes. You can spot the flawed ones pretty easily - if they start from a needed/wanted point of view, then all else has to be skewed to that point of view, no matter how ridiculous. Also, in a phase-change, it's 100% certain that the old-guard will be 'wrong'. Just logic, really.

 

One place SIP'S may shine, is in retro-fitting existing houses with super-insulated roofs. Placing panel over a roof-off doll's house is nearly as fast as re-cladding in corry. Lends itself to simple pitches, at it's worst with dormers etc, but it would be a 'go'. My stuff is 11kg/sqm, so you can damn-near throw it up.

 

 

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Interesting. I am not such a practical man as you are. But I have been looking at all this brick houses around where I live.  Thinking that if you put SIP panels around the walls. And replaced the single glazed windows with double. This would bring a huge amount of thermal mass inside a proper thermal envelope. Making the house much more energy efficient and comfortable. It is not quite ideal from an earthquake point of view. We shouldn't be building from brick at all. But might be a good compromise solution, given what we have. Especially if we have a roof solution...

Put up any links or information you have on your housing.

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Brick is usually a stack outside a wooden frame, I think. (it's not my thing, brick). If that is so, just lose the brick and replace with panel. Too easy. There will probably be a 50mm or so space between - enough for fingers.     :)

 

I've just put together some pix for a presentation at the Uni next week. If you get in touch via my blogsite I'll post you them on a stick or disc. I'm at the end of 400 metres of thin copper in the countryside here, too slow for that caper.

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If you are in line of sight of anyone with broadband, within 30 km, or even the local exchange, you should be able to do a piggy-back share-job with wireless broadband

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PDK, what I have always found "telling" about YOU, is your unwillingness to discuss why people who want to build anything at all on one tenth of an acre somewhere around where civilisation already exists, have to pay $250,000 for that one tenth of an acre.

What is the point of building something out of recycled materials as you have, to keep the cost down to under $300,000 and call that "affordable housing", when there is nearly $200,000 of "fat" for land bankers in the original raw land cost that is the main problem?

Did YOU pay $1 million per acre plus for your lifestyle block; would I have to if I bought one, and if not, why not? 

If your theories about the causes of land price escalation (resources running out) are correct and mine (planning boundaries) are incorrect, the price should be expensive anywhere anyone can build a house. 

Point is, a "PDK house" in one of  those affordable US cities I am always talking about, would be under $100,000 all up, AT the urban fringe, not miles beyond it on a rural-zoning mandated 20 acres plus. Which mandate, along with the remote location, kind of destroys the "affordability" aspect for most first home buyers. 

I said once before, your ideas are indeed part of the solution as we go forward, but you refuse to reciprocate the compliment and admit that my ideas on ending straight out gouging and rackets on land prices, are also part of the solution. The price you paid for your acres and acres of land, per square foot, should not be inflated by more than a factor of 2 or 3 by proximity to the existing fringe of a city. It is being inflated by a factor of some thousands of percent.

This is about the zillionth time I have attempted to explain this to you.

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wtf - gidday!   I used macrocarpa poles as the structure (we have snow-loading requirements down this way) and did it all portal-style, inboard of the walls like steel in a gym. Too simple.

 

but

 

As I recall, the manufacturer has a stack of approved fittings, joint details, assembly. Just copy them off, it's NZ approved I seem to remember. That leaves going to a civil engineer for the bracing bit. No biggie - it's way better than screws and glue-dobs on plasterboard, as far as bracing goes. Then it's a matter of keeping it from rusting - coloursteel is coloursteel; if it can't ne nursed through 50 years, what can?

 

I've just seen one go up new, I'll ask how they got around things. Will report back.

 

 

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Nice one Hugh but it's ugly...and check out the location....see how close it is to the Gulf...ask yourself what a cat 5 Hurricane slamming that region would do for you...no thanks.

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What about Chicago? 4th biggest GDP on the world, ranked 7th on list of international cities. Rated in the Global Cities Index as Alpha+ (Auckland is Beta, Houston Beta+ and Atlanta Alpha-).

 

It too is development constricted (someone put a whacking big lake in the way!) yet the average house price is US$200,000 which is NZ$252,000.

 

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