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NZIER's Shamubeel Eaqub on what to expect from an economic perspective in 2015

NZIER's Shamubeel Eaqub on what to expect from an economic perspective in 2015

By Gareth Vaughan

Another year is coming to an end and 2015's just around the corner. 

From an economic perspective, both the global and domestic pictures remain interesting. So what can we expect in 2015?

I sat down with Shamubeel Eaqub, principal economist at the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research, to discuss this. In the Double Shot interview I ask him about the global economic picture going into 2015, where the risks and bright spots are, how New Zealand's key trade partners China and Australia may fare, what's going on with commodity prices, and we also discuss a range of key domestic factors such as the Auckland housing market, migration, inflation, interest rates and the New Zealand dollar.

In terms of the global picture Eaqub points out uneven growth continues to be a key characteristic of the long post Global Financial Crisis recovery.

"We've got some bright spots, particularly in places like the US. We're starting to see some pretty concerted evidence that there is a recovery taking place there," Eaqub said.

"But at the same time we're seeing a few risks. From a macro perspective the moderation in growth in China, the renewed recession in Japan, slowing growth in Australia, which is a very big trading partner for us, but more importantly for me the stagnation in Europe coupled with the geo-political risks around the Ukraine and Russia, that's starting to become more of a risk looking forward."

"Geo-political risks are very critical because these are low probability but high impact events. And when you throw in an economic decline with geopolitical risks and financial markets, it can have far reaching consequences," Eaqub said.

"And as we saw in the last Russian financial crisis, and (in) all of those kinds of things, New Zealand is vulnerable to aftershocks."

'Unusual and unfortunate event with commodity prices'

In terms of commodity prices we've seen significant falls over recent months highlighted by the falling price of oil and declining dairy prices in Fonterra's GlobalDairyTrade auctions. Although hard to predict, Eaqub suggests commodity prices are likely to stay low for the next couple of years.

"Right now we've got a few things happening. One is supply has increased and demand has suddenly been less strong than we thought. And at the same time the geo-political tensions in Russia have meant that supply that would've gone to a big consumer like Russia, is suddenly flooding the export market."

"All of those things together are creating this very unusual and unfortunate event with commodity prices coming off very rapidly. For New Zealand there's two consequences, first of course for our (dairy) farmers it means their returns are going to be quite a bit less than last year. That's roughly $5 or $6 billion that's not going to be earned as revenue, so that's pretty big," said Eaqub.

"But at the same time we have a little bit of offset from low inflation, particularly through oil prices, that gives us a bit of a buffer. And I think that's a bigger story about what's happening in the global economy, that there is just not a lot of inflation."

"There's not enough growth, not enough demand, and not enough increases in prices and commodities. " Eaqub added. "Right now the real risk in the global economy is really about growth and the risk of stagnation and slow inflation. That's a much bigger risk."

Impact on Australia from a slowing China something to watch

In terms of China, Eaqub expects the economy there to slow to grow at just under 7% in 2015.

"The important thing for New Zealand is because growth is shifting from investment led to consumption led, in many cases it's actually a good thing for New Zealand. The demand for soft commodities, particularly for food products, remains very strong."

Nonetheless he notes New Zealand's forestry sector may face a slow down in Chinese demand.

For New Zealand's other key trading partner, Australia, and its focus on mining, the Chinese slowdown is a big challenge. Eaqub points out the knock-on effect for New Zealand is important.

"Because the kinds of things we export to Australia are so different, they tend to be much more value added, much more manufactured, much more processed. And unless Australia's growing well, more high value manufacturing parts of the New Zealand economy really miss out on the consumer."

"What we're talking about is an Australian economy that's slowing and suffering from a lack of demand. And that's a very big risk for New Zealand because it is our second largest trading partner. It means that the demand for our goods and services won't be there and we may not get as many tourists as we're used to," said Eaqub.

With the Reserve Bank of Australia pragmatic, he expects interest rate cuts if the central bank believes this will inflate demand.

"But we have to wait until the beginning of February to see that happen and perhaps the economic consequences, the stimulus coming through middle of next year."

Auckland housing 'a very big source of vulnerability'

Domestically a, if not the, key focus in 2015 will be the Auckland housing market.

"Prices have risen to such a level that they're very disconnected from incomes and rents and that remains a very big source of vulnerability," said Eaqub.

If the second wind emerging in recent Auckland housing data, from the likes of Barfoot & Thompson and Quotable Value, continues the Reserve Bank will "clamp down," Eaqub said.

"And I'm really frightened if the Reserve Bank reacts on housing (about) the toll it will take on the rest of the economy, both in terms of other provinces but also sectors outside of housing. (It) will be quite negative, because we'll be in an environment of relatively speaking slow growth, very little inflation, and banks are probably going to become more resistant to lending to businesses."

In terms of housing across the rest of New Zealand, Eaqub suggests the picture is brightening in Christchurch with supply beginning to catch up to demand.

"We're starting to see that in the early parts of the market like rents. Rents are not growing as much. Labour cost inflation which used to be very, very, high is starting to moderate. All of these things tell us that the repair work in Canterbury is probably going to be done in the early part of next year. That'll release a lot of capacity and the Canterbury housing market, which has also been very special, will moderate," said Eaqub.

"In the rest of New Zealand, which has added almost no jobs in the last seven years, I can't see much happening. It's very much about prices have returned to levels that make sense relative to rents and incomes and we expect them to grow modesty in line with those things."

'Net migration very critical'

With immigration having hit a record 47,684 in the year to October, and tipped by some economists to reach 55,000 next year, migration will be a key factor to watch next year. The Australian economy remaining weak will mean fewer New Zealanders leave for Australia, with this impact felt right across New Zealand.

"The increase in arrivals has been quite interesting and a little bit different from what we have seen in the past. The biggest source has been students so they add a slightly different kind of demand to other people. The second lot has been returning kiwis from Australia," said Eaqub. "And the third one has been people coming on work visas, particularly from the Philippines and surprisingly from France."

In the latest immigration boom there wasn't yet evidence it was having a profound influence on housing supply and demand as a previous boom in the early 2000s did. However, Eaqub suggested this might be yet to come.

"Net migration remains something that's very critical to watch for New Zealand. Given our small population, changes in net migration can have a very big impact in terms of the underlying demographic demand drivers for the economy."

'Excess capacity'

The most recent official annualised inflation figures showed it up just 1%. And Eaqub expects inflation to remain low.

"Businesses remain very cautious about raising prices, in part because there's not a lot of those cost increases coming through. One of the biggest sticky bits of inflation tends to be the labour market, and labour cost inflation is really subdued," Eaqub said.

"There's so many people competing for a few jobs that we're not seeing that kind of sticky wage inflation coming through, and I think that's partly that unevenness story. Because the job losses were wide spread, but the job gains are concentrated in a few places and a few occupations."

"There are concentrations of inflation, but in large parts of the economy there is very little inflation because there's so much excess capacity."

Interest rates 'a hard call'

In terms of what happens with interest rates next year, he argues this is a hard call.

"If I looked at just the economy in terms of growth and inflation, we don't think there is any catalyst for interest rate increases well until the year after next, so 2016 at some stage. But the big kicker here's going to be what happens to Auckland housing."

"If the housing market picks up the Reserve Bank will react and they will snub it out. There's a real risk that the collateral damage is the rest of the economy," said Eaqub.

"So I'm hedging my bets here. If it was just the economic management side of things we would say absolutely no interest rate increases until 2016. But if the Auckland housing market starts picking up, which is a source of big risk for both the economy and the financial system, the Reserve Bank will be forced to react and they could hike by the middle of next year."

Kiwi dollar 'collateral damage'

As for the New Zealand dollar, Eaqub expects it to remain strong despite commodity prices weakening.

"Given what's happening in the global economy in terms of very, very slow growth and risks to it, it's very hard to see quantitative easing on a global scale coming back anytime soon."

"So this competitive devaluation of currencies continues and the New Zealand dollar is the collateral damage. I think our dollar will stay high because of that, and that means our exporters will still have to plan very carefully in terms of managing their revenues and cashflows," Eaqub said.

"Relatively speaking New Zealand will do better than a lot of other places, our interest rates will be higher, we are not printing money like others. All of those relative factors, despite falling commodity prices, means the New Zealand dollar will probably hang up at a fairly high level."

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Good report Eaqub.  I am hoping that as commodities prices and the Kiwi pulls back against a basket of currencies that our Tourism sector will pick up and help lift other parts of the country outside the main cities. Maybe the last Hobbit movie can keep us floating along in 2015 with more tourist arrivals and the Rugby World Cup in England may encourage more people to come to New Zealand after they win the World Cup.  Even if the New Zealand economy does relatively well in 2015 the currency may still come back as it will probably follow the Australian currency lower.  But agree the level of drop will be gradual and not massive.     

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The NZD is going to keep climbing as NZ is the only developed country not cutting interest rates or into QE.   Asian money is pouring into the country unrestricted, the NZD is used as a nice parking spot.    The 'real' exporting ,economy has little bearing on the NZD value. 

 

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Unless of course, this is an external shock, which based on historical observations will see NZD get smashed, particularly against JPY despite their money priniting. And of course, the Australia and NZ banking system have been the most adventurous globally since the GFC based on the faith in the monetary system that supports their business model.

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Totally agree. NZD may not climb much, but is unlikely to fall significantly. 

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What you are saying is that an external shock is unlikely. In other words, the probabbility of the event is low. For those reasons, betting on the event typically has a good pay-off. But that is not recommended to your individual investor, even though it is likely that they will carry the burden of carrying the load with the masses. 

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Asymetrical plays, yes indeed. 

The thing is when many people believed in say significant inflation coming (and bought gold) based on well at best an inadeqaute economics model (Austrian) V a proven keynesian model which said no, its almost a dead cert.

Even if there is no payoff (ie the risk of short selling) there is no loss, so the gold bugs buying at $1800 convinced inflation and $300/oz was coming lost their shirts, by not buying, no losses.

Not sure I'd positively bet against such things because the human aspect and hence timing is un-quantifyable.

So I'll stay floating mortgage for some time yet.

regards

 

 

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When asked " what do you think the reserve bank will do to tackle futher house price inflation in Auckland and what do you think they should do"  I am still surprised no-one seems to mention implementing different leaning rules for Auckland and the rest of the country.  If more anti money lending tools are bought in, this could really hurt ( even more so ) the rest of NZ that isn't going through a real estate boom.    

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Surprised he neglected to mention the looming current account blow out. This will be the 5th in the last 50 years and remember we have had the US $ down to less than 0.50  twice in the last 15 years. 

 

You can't have exports falling 5% - imports growing 12%  from a trade balance near zero without  consequences.

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Some are doing their best to upgrade the hidden and under ground economy.

Though that maybe a little uneconomic with the truth. Some people can spend their way to success with 'other peoples' hard earned money, it seems.

Economy means nothing in the language of todays so-called public servants.

They do not mind taking on debt, for hidden agendas, though the debt is yours, they win, you all collectively pay.

Wellington here we come, super city, super inflated egos, super inflated rates. You have been warned, do not take it lying down.  Or your cupboard will be bare, but theirs will be overflowing with the booty.

No small wonder they cuddle up to the wrong people, in this fair land.

They all have hidden agendas, that cost us all a fortune, whilst they tunnel their way out..

It pays.

Grand designs of the public servants, hidden agendas, just 30k to 90million.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11370148

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Here is the future for NZ, as a result of our high interest rates, low household spending, high household debt levels, low incomes, open doors to corporate monopolies/duopolies, unfettered foreign investment into all types of property, unresolved debt and unresolved insurance non-payouts in Chch, Govt spending cutbacks, etc

Stagflation, deflation and stalled economy  - as per Sweden. 

Helen Clark always wanted to model NZ on Sweden,  .... Be careful what you wish for! 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102239007

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11370442OCR predictions 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=113…

lower for longer

or cuts needed to avoid deflation?

since Auckland house inflation is unfixable 

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I'd suggest we will sit as we are until an external event(s) rocks out boat.  Though the dairy price is a worry.  So much debt needing such a high payout, throw in leverage and oopsie.

regards

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I remember young Shambeel strongly advising against buying real estate in AKL two or three years ago, based on his usual concoction of all sorts of "economic" indicators which have a scientific whiff around them, but are practically meaningless. 

 

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Yes, I remember this, too. Rent, he said, you'd be silly to buy.

Then this year he changed his tune.

I, too, take what he 'predicts' with a grain of salt.

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So put your nuts on the line as it where, what do you advise FHBs to do today?

Otherwise it seems you cannot understand risk and impact, and sit there with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

You know sky diving and aqualung diving are classed as the most dangerious sports and standard life insurance policies will not cover them?  Why? because they are both perfectly safe until your equipment fails and then you are dead (just lost the husband of a life long friend last year to equipment failure)

a) A mortgage is a 25~30 year event not 3 years therefore you have to consider the risk over that time period, or at least a possible drop in valuve v your LVR ratio time period.

b) The past always has a 20/20 vision so looking back 25 years and saying the next 25~30 years will be the same is somewhat risky.

c) Prices are not normal, they are x2 therefore buying at the top of the bubbleis risky and if like the USA it bursts and drops 35% that is bad news.

regards

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What's odd about Mr  Eaqub changing his mind, or at least no longer advising NOT to buy, is that nothing much has changed, ecenonomically speaking. Houses are still overpriced, and the economy still hasb't recovered.

So why did he change his mind?

I don't think Peter was against FHBs buying, or for them not buying, for that matter, he was just commenting on how a 'leading economist' changed his tune, for o apparent reason.

A bit of a pity there are no repercussions for economists getting it wrong, and having potentially lead astray FHBs  years ago before LVRs came in, and prices were 20% lower.

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Mr Eaqub is the face of NZIER and first and foremost represents their views

 

The NZIER presents itself as a "leading economic think tank"

It is increasingly becoming a "lobby group"

 

One has to wonder in hindsight whether the views he expressed were those of the Institute istself or his own

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Has he changed his mind?

for instance,

""Prices have risen to such a level that they're very disconnected from incomes and rents and that remains a very big source of vulnerability," said Eaqub."

doesnt strike me taht he has changed his mind, what have I missed?

I certianly dont think its wise for FHBs to be buying btw....

Not sure what you are saying in your last sentence. As an example. simple really I v many in here have opposite opinions so a 3rd party should relly be making their own minds up on what to do, ditto economists.

Do note however that I think Mr  Eaqub's outlook is similar to Steve Keen's one of the few economists who got it right over 2008 meltdown.

Your view is what? no risk? buy buy BUY!!!!

good luck with that.

regards

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More people die fishing than sky diving.

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In % terms?

seems strange if so.

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Easy to fall off rocks or out of a boat.  And a boat problem can cause multiple fatalites..
Skydiving is done by trained individuals, often who supervise each other carefully, and has huge risk aversion factors so practionicers take very few chances.    

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Ah I should have added "all else being equal"

f*** wits can always do themselves or others terminal harm, Darwin at work it seems.

regards

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My advice to FHBs in NZ? I was asked that a few years ago in AUS and I adviced in favour of buying. Not because I was convinced that prices (back then) were rational, but because I felt that the banks, central banks and governments would make sure that prices did not dip too much while keeping out when prices rally. I think that guy was quite happy with the advice - in hindsight.

 

Now I can do as our Chief Economist does and babble something of "vulnerabilities" rah-rah ... many words, not much advice. Wont, of course.

 

The answer depends a lot on the individual situation. How safe is the job/cash flow? Married, kids, planning to have kids? We rented a shoe box in Takapuna for some years so the kid could get into a good school. Moneywise it was pathetic, but that was not the primary driver. If the school zone does not matter then there is still reasonable value to be had e.g. in some areas of the West. North Shore, I feel is overbought and also losing much of its charm due to more dense living and changing demographics. Outside AKL I would definitely rather buy than rent.

 

One thing I have learnt over the past years is not to underestimate the role of central banks and their willingness to print money to bail out debtors. Ok, real estate in AKL went down by what, 20%, around 2009. If it came to the worst and NZ was exposed to a major contraction (like the 40% in Spain or the US), I believe the RBNZ/govt would print money and do whatever it takes to pump up the market. 

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Similar to Robert Schiller in 2004 when he was harrangued by the media for suggesting that people should tread carefully when house prices were rising. Of course, Schiller turned out to be right and everyone forget about what the media was saying and the never-ending squad of cheerleaders.

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Even Schiller says these days that everything is expensive and it turns his stomach, but he cannot think of much else but buying stocks (or in NZ real estate) even though they are not rationally priced.

 

 

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and that is the rub, so when everyone is in, then for me I want to be out.     You are not compelled to play, but somehow peer pressure forces it, it seems.

regards

 

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Agree.

Seems ppl have this illusion that buying something and selling it to a great fool is productive, rather than making an actual good.

regards

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