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Monday's Top 10: Time to attack rentiers; more China distortions; keeping economists out of the inequality debate; the fear of wage rises; Dilbert, and more

Monday's Top 10: Time to attack rentiers; more China distortions; keeping economists out of the inequality debate; the fear of wage rises; Dilbert, and more

Here's my edition of Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10:00 am today. Sorry about the missing one again last week. I had to rush away unexpectedly. We now have a Monday-Wednesday-Friday schedule for Top 10.

Bernard will be back with his version this Wednesday. We will have another guest posting on Friday.

As always, we welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to david.chaston@interest.co.nz.

See all previous Top 10s here.

1. 'A battle the public cannot afford to lose'
Charles Morris has written a searing column on Reuters about 'rentiers'.

He uses Merrill Lynch as a graphic example; between 2001 and 2008 he claims they paid out US$50 billion in salaries and bonuses, and sold out to Bank of America.

But after a proper accounting it seems even after the terrific profits made during the financial boom, Merrill had actually lost US$21 billion - which he says must be some sort of record in the annals of unproductiveness.

Americans abhor “rentiers” - unproductive citizens who make good incomes by collecting tolls on other people’s production. In the early days of economics, rentiers were the owners of stagnating estates who partied in London on the earnings of their peasants and tenant farmers.

More recently, they are the beneficiaries of special privileges, like the web of congressional protections that protect sugar farmers from international competition. Or they have effective monopolies. Can anyone imagine that the Internet would have grown so explosively if AT&T still ruled American telecommunications?

Rentiers profit from falling productivity, preserving their privileges on the backs of the rest of us. John Maynard Keynes once mused that economic progress would require the “euthanasia of the rentiers.”

The special animosities felt toward the big banks stems from the feeling that they are rentiers — sitting athwart the sluice gates of global finance, dipping out bucketsful of glittering tolls from the passing stream.

Opposing the rentiers, in all their forms, is not the same as opposing wealth, honestly earned. It’s not envy, and it’s not sour grapes.

We need a well-functioning financial system. But not one that misallocates resources and generates crises and instability. The banks, however, are fighting a quiet, but grim, take-no-prisoners war in Congress and before the regulators to preserve their old privileges.

This is a battle the public cannot afford to lose. Rooting out the rentiers is essential for the future health of the country.

2. A strong backer
The euro is appreciating. This seems to make no sense given the deflation fears and low growth afflicting the 'old world'.

But some currency analysts think they know why and are pointing to China as the culprit.

In the drive to diversify away from the US dollar, China may be buying the euro. Certainly its has the heft to move currencies. And it wants to slow down the rise of its own. Maybe it has figured a way to achieve its goals at the expense of a currency it actually has little allegiance to. Pity the euro.

More from FT Alphaville:

First, a divergence between the onshore and offshore renminbi rates can be used as a rough proxy for PBOC intervention in the market and is generally matched by a build-up in reserves. Second, reserve growth has generally been correlated in recent years with euro strength against the dollar. Third, the recent growth in China’s reserves has not been matched by an increase in its holdings of US Treasuries, as far as we can tell from the TIC data published by the US government.

The euro’s share of FX reserves held by emerging market central banks has fallen sharply since 2009. Its share of developed country reserves has been stable – probably chiefly because of Swiss efforts to limit the franc’s appreciation. But now that the euro’s survival is no longer in doubt, reserve managers could be back in the market and those at the People’s Bank of China – reputedly more aggressive in their investment strategy than many of their counterparts – could be in the vanguard.

3. The wrong way
China is liberalising its interest rate policies and most professionals applaud. But unless they address more fundamental issues says Yukon Huang (a formers World Bank country director for China), other, bigger market distortions are possible.

Moreover, a rise in deposit rates would have some undesirable consequences. It would worsen the already serious debt-servicing problem of firms and many local governments, as banks would need to demand higher rates on new loans used to roll over old ones. If current interest levels already are indeed too high, then higher debt-servicing burdens could unnecessarily jeopardize the solvency of otherwise viable firms and investments in a longer-term efficiency sense.

Further increases in deposit rates would also encourage even more investors to pour into China seeking higher returns for their savings. The more creditworthy Chinese borrowers would borrow abroad at lower rates than available domestically, buoyed by limited downside exchange risks. In fact, interest-rate arbitrage is already occurring as Chinese companies use their overseas affiliates to gain access to cheaper external funds, while households and companies in Hong Kong are finding ways to park their Yuan holdings into higher-paying accounts on the mainland. This will pressure interest rates eventually to fall to the levels seen in the other major global markets.

4. 'Don't leave the debate to elites'
We debate the problems with growing inequality, even if all the evidence for this 'new trend' (?) is in other countries. But income inequality is far too important an issue to be left to the economists, writes Thomas Frank. This is a people’s war and he doesn't like that it is a debate being monopolised by economists.

What really defines our time is the simultaneous soaring of inequality and the maddening inability of most progressives (there are exceptions, of course) to talk about it in a way that might actually inspire anyone to get off their ass. Start with the word itself: Like “neoliberalism,” another favorite lefty term for many of these same developments, “inequality” is confusing. It is euphemistic and aloof. It gets easily muddled with other, similar-sounding issues like marriage equality, gender equality and equal housing opportunity. Its tone is also needlessly clinical, giving the whole debate a technical and bloodless air.

Still, to read around on the subject is to get the feeling that certain liberals like it that way. “Needlessly clinical” is exactly their style. The subject, for them, must be positively cloaked in wonkery. They don’t talk much about “class,” like some troublemaker from the ’30s; they talk about “inequality,” which is a delicate and intricate signifier. Oh, it is extremely complex. It requires so many charts.

5. Ready for the Treasury benches?
It is election year so we are going to get all kinds of 'innovative' policy ideas. On of the first is from the Greens and their promotion of bike lanes. The 'innovation' is to not discount the future benefits they claim - apparently discounting is a trick only used by nasty finance types.

So, Eric Crampton has a deal for them.

If the Greens are happy with this kind of no-discounting cost-benefit analysis, I have a proposition for them. For the low low cost of $1,000,000, I will pay them $25,000 per year for the next eighty years. If we roll up the 80-years' benefits, that's $2,000,000: a 2:1 benefit-to-cost ratio! Sure, it's not 20:1, but it's still pretty good. Two is bigger than one. Right?

6. Fear of wages
Paul Krugman didn't like the policy responses to the GFC and now he is unhappy with the responses by policy makers now we seem to be returning to the new versions of 'normal'. In fact, as I read it, he is seeing sinister 'class interests' in the growing acceptance that interest rates need to move back up after their unusually long low levels.

Presumably he sees Graeme Wheeler as an agent for the 'elite classes'. His NYTimes column is well worth a read however.

Suddenly, it seems as if all the serious people are telling each other that despite high unemployment there’s hardly any “slack” in labor markets — as evidenced by a supposed surge in wages — and that the Federal Reserve needs to start raising interest rates very soon to head off the danger of inflation.

To be fair, those making the case for monetary tightening are more thoughtful and less overtly political than the archons of austerity who drove the last wrong turn in policy. But the advice they’re giving could be just as destructive.

O.K., where is this coming from?

The starting point for this turn in elite opinion is the assertion that wages, after stagnating for years, have started to rise rapidly. 

7. Why the ECB should Buy American
European (Euro-zone) QE is not a popular idea in many member countries; the ECB apparently has no authority to issue bonds. If their interest rates are already close to zero and they are facing the threat of deflation, what can they do?

Well, Jeffery Frankel has an idea - the ECB should buy US Treasuries. I had a double-take when I read that, but actually, be makes some interesting points:

What, then, should the ECB buy if it is to expand the monetary base? For several reasons, it should buy US treasury securities. In other words, it should go back to intervening in the foreign-exchange market.

For starters, there would be no legal obstacles. Operations in the foreign-exchange market are well within the ECB’s remit. Moreover, they do not pose moral-hazard issues (unless one thinks of the long-term moral hazard that the “exorbitant privilege” of printing the world’s international currency creates for US fiscal policy). Finally, ECB purchases of dollars would help push down the euro’s exchange rate against the dollar.

Such foreign-exchange operations among G-7 central banks have fallen into disuse in recent years, partly owing to the theory that they do not affect exchange rates except when they change money supplies. But in this case we are talking about an ECB purchase of dollars that would change the euro money supply. The increase in the supply of euros would naturally lower their price. Monetary expansion that depreciates the currency is more effective than monetary expansion that does not, especially when, as is the case now, there is very little scope for pushing short-term interest rates much lower.

Depreciation of the euro would be the best medicine for restoring international price competitiveness to the periphery countries and reviving their export sectors.

8. What a gas
Electric cars are here but hydrogen (fuel cell) cars are coming and the implications could be large. Todd Woody has an interesting (long) review of the current state in the world's tech capital. He says, don't bet on Tesla (and electric) winning the competitive drive to replace hydrocarbons.

Powered by a fuel whose supply is practically inexhaustible - every nation can be the Saudi Arabia of hydrogen - fuel-cell cars convert pressurized hydrogen gas into electricity that powers the vehicle. The hydrogen cars now coming onto the market have triple the range of most battery electric cars and can be refueled in minutes rather than recharged in hours. And hydrogen technology can be scaled up to fuel buses, long-haul trucks and other big vehicles that most current battery packs are too puny to power. “We don’t see any reason customers wouldn’t adopt this technology in exchange for a gasoline vehicle as there’s no trade-offs,” Craig Scott, Toyota’s US national manager of advanced technology vehicles, told Quartz.

9. Major change is looming
We started tracking the aluminium and copper prices daily in January 2008. Today, in NZ dollars, the copper price is the lowest its been since May 2009 and the aluminium price is the lowest since we started tracking it. Aluminium in NZD has fallen 54% since its 2008 peak and copper has fallen 44% since its 2011 peak.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Rio return for more concessions at Tiwai Point. These masters of the universe have a bad business there making 'solid electricity'. We shouldn't deal next time, although if Rio do walk away the taxpayer will be left with far, far too much electricity generating capacity.

Electricity generation is a poor business too and the taxpayer should get out of it as fast as they can. In government hands, future prices will be much higher than they will need to be 'protecting the investment'. I would rather the private sector takes the looming losses. The role of the State should only be regulation in the interests of consumers. The present arrangements inhibit innovation around PV and other solar. The generators and network operators are powerful enough - they don't need the Government in their camp too as a majority owner.

10. Today's quote
"There are plenty of ways to get ahead. The first is so basic I'm almost embarrassed to say it: spend less than you earn." - Paul Clitheroe

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#1 "Opposing the rentiers, in all their forms, is not the same as opposing wealth, honestly earned. It’s not envy, and it’s not sour grapes."

agree.

regards

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#8, if you have a rosy and un-realistic view of the "green" world, electric batteries are merely a bridge until the likes of hydrogen is ready.

Interestingly,

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/?_ga=1.123155215.587491338.13…

A princely sum for 3 years Leasing.

The Q is just how many ppl can / will be able to afford it?  

ie the old classic demand v supply economics.  Toyota etc are doing the classic costs plus margin == what ppl will pay without looking at what they can pay.

Also somehow there isnt much mention on where the input energy comes from....and the costs for that.

but a 95% reduction in costs is some going...

regards

 

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I do a lot of mileage and if that Hyundai was available in NZ at that price I would consider it. No maintenance, depreciation and fuel costs are worth a lot.

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Oh yes, sure horses for courses.  So if you spend $100+ a week on petrol then $500USD a month for a lease that includes fuel and many other costs isnt a bad deal.  Of course it doesnt mention what the EROEI of it is (or if its profitable or not) ie we get "hydrogen" and put it in the car and off we go. The advantage of an EV on the other hand is you get a 40amp socket at your house and you are more or less done....for me for instance, ideal, except the MiEv cost of $65k of course.

regards

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Steven I would need to talk to some of my engineering friends but I think hydrogen production could work well with wind power because it gives another storage option, other than our hydro lakes.

 

But I do like the self sufficiency option of EV in that you could run it off your own solar panels...

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Most charging would be overnight however?  Im assuming the EV would be a commuter. So wind yes makes sense, tide, yes as thats when the EV would be plugged in? 

Also there is what makes sense at the micro level ie "you" and what makes sense at the macro level ie the nation.  By this I mean installing lots of micro installations may not be cost effective. 

Otherwise yes I do like it as well.

regards

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Can Hydrogen work?

1. Suppose we generate the hydrogen by the electrolysis of water. First we must "rectify" the grid's AC electricity into DC, at a cost of about 2% to 3% of the energy contained in the hydrogen.

2. Now we can electrolyze the water, but that process is only about 70% efficient, so we lose another 30% there.

3. Now we have hydrogen gas, but it takes up a lot of space. We could compress it to around 10,000 psi to make it fit in a reasonably sized tank, which costs another 15%. But even then, it would only have about one-fifth of the energy density of gasoline, and the pressurized tank needed to store it is very heavy, large and expensive. So if we wanted to use it in a vehicle, we would have to liquefy the hydrogen by cooling it down to about -253°C and keep it in a pressurized, insulated container instead. This process would cost another 30% to 40% of the energy in the hydrogen.

4. We lose some more during storage because hydrogen boils off above -253°C, so it's very difficult to keep it from escaping its container. In vehicles, about 3% to 4% of the hydrogen boils off every day. And at least 10% of the hydrogen will boil off during delivery and storage.

5. Then we burn the hydrogen in a vehicle's fuel cell at an efficiency of about 50% (for a proton membrane fuel cell stack).

6. And finally, we lose another 10% of the energy that makes it to the electric motors driving the wheels, because they are only about 90% efficient.

7. In the end, about 80% of the original energy generated in order to produce the hydrogen is lost, for an EROI of 0.25. Since it doesn't pay to have an energy regime with an EROI of less than one, hydrogen cars seems a permanent improbability.

 

I remember in the early 2000's when hydrogen was being touted as the next big thing,  unfortunately the energy investment needed doesn't add up. The quoted passage above highlights that a substantial amount of energy may be needed to generate hydrogen fuel. We know renewables are unlikely to scale up to produce anywhere near the energy we currently enjoy now from fossil fuels, so it seems unlikely that hydrogen will enable continuation of our current transport system. Reminds me of when people said ethanol would replace oil.

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Plutocracy, if solar panels continue to get cheaper so does the cost of the hydrogen. Your arguement may have made sence in the early 2000s but with solar panels coming out of china as low as .50USD per watt it doesnt any longer. The only limiting factor is the price of the H2 car which will be down to $25k by 2020 according to toyota.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/171299-hyundai-will-sell-a-hydrogen-…

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Re: "We know renewables are unlikely to scale up to produce anywhere near the energy we currently enjoy now from fossil fuels"

 

Not true for NZ.

 

I have put this information out before, but it seems I need to do it again. Here is an email from an engineering friend re electric cars for NZ.

 

NZ vehicle km travelled (VKT) is 37Bkm in 2012. This is for cars and light commercial vehicles (LCV).

 

http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork/tmif/transport-volume/tv002/

 

Electric cars do about 15kWh per 100km. So that’s 4650GWh per annum if all those vehicles were electric. That’s about the same energy as the aluminium smelter uses.

Those cars would best be charged by wind farms, as when the wind is not blowing the existing hydro storage can be used. This is because the short term variability in wind is very small compared to the seasonal variation in hydro, for which we already have storage.

 

If each car cost $30K, then the cost of wind turbines to charge it would be about $2000. I used the 37B VKT /3.1M (cars and LCV - http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork/tmif/transport-volume/tv004/) = 9000km per annum. This is 1350kWh per annum on average. A wind turbine has 0.35% capacity factor so to get 1350kWh of wind energy in a year you need 1350 kWh/8760 hours in a year / 0.35 = 0.440kW of wind capacity. Wind capacity costs about $2700/kW. So the investment is $2700*0.440=$1200. And I doubled it almost to pay off the landowners (it can’t be that much paid to landowners or wind generation would be too expensive already).

 

So to build wind farms fast enough to supply electric cars you need to spend money on new generation at a rate one fifteenth the rate of the people buying the cars in the first place. Is that affordable to the industry? If the entire fleet was replaced in 10 years, you’d need about 500GWh of investment per year in wind generation. Total demand is about 40000GWh so that’s 500/40000=1.24% pa. Which is less than the historical electricity demand growth rate. (Fleet age is 13years in 2012 http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/The-NZ-Vehicle-Fleet-2012-final.pdf pg 9)

 

Is there enough wind? Prior to the recent flattening of demand there was about 9000GWh of new wind generation consented or undergoing consent. There is about 90000GWh of potential wind generation taking the good sites only. All of it on already modified farmland, far from dwellings and near existing transmission. The grid can handle the capacity as its largely already been built for peak, and the entire fleet can be charged without increasing peak demand loading. So that’s the NZ electric car situation in terms of supplying the electricity.

 

Other issues – is there enough material to make the batteries for the world fleet, can they be made cheap enough fast enough, can you smelt the steel to make the wind turbines without emitting too much CO2?? Can you drive far enough in an electric car that it would be a true transport system?? What about agricultural machinery??? Shipping??? Air travel????

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Brendon.  You have nailed it brilliantly.

If we could get this past the likes of PDK.  Who finds a solution most threatening.  And if  we could get it past the crony monopoly promoting government.  This could all work quite well.

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Brendon,

Very good summary. Solar is already about $3k per Kw, so also meets your benchmark.

Am looking forward to electric cars becoming more readily and economically available. Have heard that Tesla is entering the Aussie market in a few months.

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Thanks guys, I just asked, actually pestered someone who knows about these things until he gave me a proper answer.

 

I think we are blessed here in NZ and if we got rid of the rentiers it would be even better.

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Ahhh, the old energy density problems rears its head, good to see someone understands that.

 

Always look to the military, energy is a huge tactical issue so if there are answers you will see it there first.

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The organization, based in Kansas City, Mo., had been exploring the idea for years. In 2007, it hired Jay Waldvogel, formerly an executive at New Zealand dairy giant Fonterra, to lead its international business development.

Waldvogel linked the Dairy Farmers of America to Chinese buyers and helped find a New Zealand firm to design the whole-milk powder facility, the likes of which had never been built in the United States.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-feeding-china-dairy-20140315,0,5345274.story#ixzz2wAPYqEez  

The milk powder factory stands on 40 acres of old pasture land not far from Fallon's town center. Billboards greet visitors with the 10 commandments, and F-18 jets from the Navy's "Top Gun" fighter academy nearby occasionally dart across the skies.

The factory is designed to process 40 tanker truckloads of milk a day. The fluid will end up pumped through high-pressure nozzles into a heating chamber that looks like an inverted Apollo spacecraft. So fine is the spray from the needle-sized nozzles, partially evaporated milk is instantly converted to powder as it's jettisoned into the 400-degree crucible.

The powder can be used for infant formula or mixed into ultra-high-temperature processed milk or yogurt.

 

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OPINION: Last week I wrote how Fonterra needed more capital. The balance sheet as at June 2013 shows total capital of $NZ14.4 billion, liabilities of $7.6b and equity of $6.7b.

This is much better than in 2009 when liabilities were $9.3b and equity was only $4.8b, but it still leaves only modest capacity for funding further investments from borrowings. So if Fonterra is going to grow with any rapidity, it is going to need more shareholder funds.

Fonterra's solution for 2013-14 is to siphon funds from the theoretical milk price, as calculated using the rules in Fonterra's Milk Price Manual.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9834038/Fonterra-needs-a-…

 

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They need more capital to do what?
To make bulk commodities to pay for the capital that they going to need to pay for the next tier of bulk commodities that they need to make to pay for the the capital that they...

That is the commodity supply trap.  Unless they get a value-add premium (definitively impossible in a commodity) it will be a mouse wheel.  Each tier pushes down your price, and demands more capital upgrade - customers demand more freebies, And so you chase productivity and investment more - and the cycle repeats.
Fonterra, NZ and dairy farmers can't afford to get on that Depression style train journey.

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According to your Vanity Fair link (which is great reading) Merrill Lynch culture was transformed from 2002 under Stanley O'Neill - "His burning ambition was to transform its Mother Merrill culture, which he viewed (correctly) as bloated and soft—“not adequate to the times,” he once told a colleague—and he wanted to put new emphasis on trading.". "Mother Merrill, pre-O’Neal, had always been fearful of taking on a lot of risk. "

 

Now we know Key left Merril Lynch before this era (as he was in parliment by then), so when you claim he was "a product of the Merrill Lynch culture" do you mean the pre 2002 culture or the culture that came into existance after he left?

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So what is the point of your post? - why insinuate that Key is tainted from having worked somewhere that went rouge after he left under different management? 

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Are  we here on interet.co.nz the nemesis. I think this could be fun....

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Lol! John Key is unthreatening and not arrogant, but you can tell your wife that if she had a relationship with him then over time she would come to be sickened by his ability to just "look the other way" when it suits him! A truly nice person has a SPINE!

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Does the term 'Rentier' include power generators, who charge huge amounts for electricity from hydro stations built cheaply in the 30s and 40s. ? 

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Good point, of course the cost of new plant to meet the demand/replacement should dictate the cost charged.  Meanwhile, yes the Govn enjoys a rentier level of income by using smoke and mirrors in re-valuing its assets.

The only Q is really would it have been cheaper to pay for new infrastructure via general taxation or via power prices.  The latter is of course more regressive in nature.

regards

 

 

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Suppose you were to inherit a Van Gogh painting from a deceased great-aunt.  Similar paintings have recently been sold for $20 million.   Would you consider yourself a "rentier" if you sold it to a willing buyer for $20 million?

 

 

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Absolutely. That's the whole point. The painting isn't the issue, any more than a rental house is the issue,.

 

The real point is that your $20, 000.000 then expects to be able to buy real stuff - as does the landlord. The painting hasn't changed, neither has the house. Your increased expectation - in both cases - that there will be more planet-parts to purchase, is not supported just because you have upped the numerical representation.

 

Putting it simply: at the point of ultimate scarcity, increasing the numerical description of the proxy will make zero difference. Mind you, it may fool you and bluff the competition - the US outbids North Korea for energy, but one is bidding with debt, the other is not allowed into the bank.  It works for the US, but it doesn't solve the ultimate scarcity problem.

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PDK makes the point the Van Gogh paintings are scarce.  Or some point. Maybe.

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KH if you don't understand the point either ask for clarification or don't comment. 

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Planet Parts. Nice. I like that. Sums it up in two words.

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No it's not.

A rentier still owns the property, bond or investment,  ie principal.

Selling the paint is a sale, which the gain is from the trade, not from operating a trading house (ie making a profit from facilitating the trades).
 

After the sale, you do not have the painting, thus you are not (no longer) a rentier.
A labourer sells time, which is also gone.

The landlord has ownership rights, which some rights are sold, but the property remains.
Therefore the landlord is profiting from the operation of a faciliation, not from the trade itself.

c.f. value-add

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Exactly Ms.  Which was the point of my question.  It was a genuine question, rare enough on interest.co.   But I was trying to formulate my thoughts in the 'rentier matter'

I do think the power generators are overpaid currently for cheap old assets.  But what should I think when I discover the Van Gogh in the garage.  Help me form the opinion folks.

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In the context of the article on Merrill Lynch, I'm not sure the power companies are rentiers, apart from one element to their pricing model.

They do produce a very useful commodity; electricity, where banks producing money do not. You can't eat money, nor power a car with it, nor actually live in it, even if it does enable you to buy all of those things. The article notes, and I agree of course, that money is critical to an economy's functioning, and that managing it is an important process, that should have a fair return.

Managing it to give some stakeholders (the managers) huge pay and bonuses, while they destroyed billions of shareholder and customer value, is clearly not being well structured.

Where power companies have artificially raised the value of their pre existing assets, and charge more because they have raised that value, then that feels like being rentiers. Especially when their product is an essential one, and their pricing model is based on regulations and not a truely competitive market. The raising of the value has not delivered anything extra in practice.

Ms de Meanour's Van Gogh example is something of a red herring. the painting's value increasing doesn't add anything useful to an economy or society; but it is not essential to anyone, while its scarcity is so rare that its economic impact would be negligible. 

In our economy, arguably property owners/speculators riding a wave of price increases, either in the value of their assets, or in rents, would seem one of our biggest categories of rentiers. 

 

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you cant eat electricity.  nor can you power cars with it...even the most electrical car will need a battery to make that happen, not just electricity.

power companies make and sell power.  well a few do.  but we've moved from that model to a manufacture, market, distributor model.   The cost of manufacture and profit from sale is trade, the distribution and development of staff, market, generation etc facilitates production, and is thus the _rent_ier.      

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My point was that in a market the economic value, or the "price", of something is not related to what the seller paid for it.   What it is, is the price at which a seller is willing to sell and a buyer is willing to buy.   The seller will want the highest price he can get, the buyer will want the lowest price he can get. Neither is under any obligation to do the other a favour by accepting a less favourable price than he could get from somebody else, although of course they can be charitable if they wish.

 

When the buyer isn't "willing" to buy at the proposed price but is forced to do so anyway, by Government mandate or the presence of a monopoly, that's rent and it's an economic inefficiency.  (The same applies when a seller isn't "willing" to sell at the proposed price but is forced to do so by Government or the presence of monopsony).  I don't think that is the case here.

 

With your Van Gogh, you may of course, if you wish, donate it instead of selling it to me .  Similarly, you may, if you wish, donate all of your life savings to me.   That would be a transfer of wealth from you to me, making me better off and you worse off, rather than a market exchange, in which we'd both be better off.   Some people prefer wealth rearrangement rather than wealth creation and if you are one such, I will be happy to accept your contribution to my retirement fund, thanks ;-).

 

 

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Lots of good discussion of the rentier class over here at interest.co.nz

 

by dh | 16 Mar 14, 4:40pm

Speaking of free markets being captured

 

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by Brendon | 17 Mar 14, 12:27pm

Steven I would need to talk to some of my engineering friends but I think hydrogen production could work well with wind power because it gives another storage option, other than our hydro lakes.

Or running the overflow hydro water through the turbines to generate hydrogen instead of letting it flow downriver when the lakes are filled to the brim.

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That would be seasonal however, and maybe not even annual. 

At least wind generating hydrogen overnight whle there is a lower demand makes some sense in terms of plant  utilisation.

The point still remains that really the EROEI for hydrogen isnt even 1 to 1 so its a conversion process whereby we rob peter to pay paul for the input.  Lets say it gets to 2 or 3 to 1, we still need 6~8 to 1 to make it standalone viable. 

So teh Q is like using food for mexicans to make ethanol, what are the tradeoffs and can we accept them?

Americans seem happy to starve mexicans so they can continue drive their ethanol guzzling SUVs.

Now consider NZers are fairly poorly paid so we are sort of upmarket Mexicans competing with ppl with more money who dont care about the impact on us as long as they can continue to indulge themselves.

regards

 

 

 

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The term used in the US movie circles is NZers are "Mexicans with cellphones"

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  Although of course day on day wind is very very  variable the interesting background is that year on year wind is very reliable and predictable.

Hydro is much more variable year on year, although it has the advantage of storage.

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same as every storage medium to date.
poor return.

H2 storage would be good idea, but technology on H2 storage is proving tough.  Long term its hard (energy expensive) to store.  
I think it is the future, just not the near future - because its cleanliness.  That means little real waste product. So if we don't mind lossy storage of excess we can convert backwards and forwards without pollution effects s much as its convenient.

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#1

unfortunate choice of cartoon

Depicting Senator Arthur Sinodinos clipping the ticket

He's not simply clipping the ticket - he's dining out on the whole roll (of tickets)

 

Currently one of the stars in the latest NSW ICAC corruption investigation

 

See Twitter

choosing ‏@ch150ch
#auspol MT @Kate_McClymont:
Senator Sinodinos stood to get up to $20 mill if NSW Liberal government passed AWH (Australia Water Holdings) contract. #ICAC

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ICAC&src=hash&f=realtime

 

Rentiers? - Try lobbyists

Australian Water Holdings was employing 5 lobbyists when it couldn't pay its tax #ICAC

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#9.  Assume Tiwai falls off the perch RT currently (sorry...) has it nailed to.

 

1/7th of NZ's generating capacity comes free.

 

Hmmm.  Here's a plan (I'd link it but Interest's finangling with the linkerator plus the new Surface Pro 2 don't like links suddenly any mo'...the pop-up window persists despite clicks, bangs and swipes).

 

  • Spend the $30 million or so which Tiwai currently (sorry...) demands via subsidy, on workforce retraining - say 5,000 warm bodies at $5K each makes - um - $25 million.  Retrain for electrical services, transmission line building, electric car leasing/sales.
  • Swap a few hundred tonnes of white powder for one a them Candi Car Dispensers, per major city.  Google "Kandi Geely electric car China building" in the absence of workable linkerators.
  • Extend transmission capabilities by re-routing the Manapouri feed north rather than currently (sorry...) south.
  • Give one a them Kandi cars to each Green MP as a condition of service - nothin' like eating yer own dog food, as the guys at Alpo like to say.
  • If a transition period is needed, or Peak Everything strikes before Tiwai completes it's Dead Parrot sketch re-run, then just dig up x% of Southland's lignite and liquid-fuel it - Google "Southland Lignite Transport Fuel Crown Minerals" - there's 300 year'sd worth at current 9sorry...) consumption rates.

 

Hey, it's got every buzzword going for it:

 

Re-use.

Regional Development.

Future-proofing

Better links with our new masters.

Workforce Upskilling.

Continued Persoanl Mobility - whoops, scratch that, not in the Approved Hymn List.

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ermmm, Watt?

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Waymad: Linkerator is no longer active - not being supported by its developers. You could try using Linkepedia ...

Hope that helps.

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NASA funded study: industrial civilisation headed for irreversible collapse

www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14   (anybody else have problems with the paste option?)

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Good comedy, the Granuiad's been great at that, perhaps not intentionally, for a coupla decades now.  As have the 'models' which attempt to simulate Gaia......

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What's it got to do with the Guardian waymad?  It is merely reporting the results of a certain publication which may be quite pertinent.  You don't like the message so you mock the messenger?

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Waymad nearly got there, for a while. Slipped back into a comfort-zone lately, though. Old dogs and new tricks comes to mind.

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 KH said:  "Although of course day on day wind is very very  variable the interesting background is that year on year wind is very reliable and predictable.
Hydro is much more variable year on year, although it has the advantage of storage."

 

The great thing about both wind and water is that we'll be getting a lot more as climate change continues.

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Hi Hugh,

I'm know I'm not being very constructive in saying the following, but because I work at Wellington airport I often see the odd politician walking past, including John Key a number of times. The distinct thing I notice about them is the apathy. They virtually all look like they're sleep-walking through their lives. Do these people really care about anything???

The impression I always got off John Key is that of an intuitive man who has serious potential for "connection" to the voter (he knows how to fake it - and what to fake) but not a truly serious thinker (not like Don Brash). I reckon Key wants to do the "right thing" in his own mind, but his conviction is heartless...behind it all he's quite deeply apathetic to anything other than his own craving for stardom, which is the lifeblood of his existence (in my bold opinion). And I reckon that apathy of his is the reason why he can't get priorities in perspective....he simply forgets what is and isn't important.

That's my take!

 

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He was apparantly in Uni at the same time as my wife, and he was rightwing, selfish and self-centred then and I see no sign that has changed today or during his career.     "(he knows how to fake it - and what to fake)" indeed, but he's shallow and not very good at it...because he doesnt believe it. He has to remember rather than act from the heart or belief. You can see taht IMHO in the deelay as he tries to think of waht he should be appearing to do rather tahn what he wants to do.

Im not sure why you think Don brash is or was a serious thinker, blinkered far right winger, blindly following the failed rhetoric that has been proven useless and un-wanted, yes, thinker? no.

regards

 

 

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Certainly disagree on Don Brash. He has a very clear mind, and knows when something does and does not make sense. He does his homework and is not shy of civil debate either - with anyone. He has a Facebook page if you want to check it out.

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Ahh no Don Brash doesn't have a very clear mind at all. He seems incapable, as do most economists, the effects of interest. I argued this point on his facebook page using his own scenario and demonstrated the concept to him that would be beyond doubt to anyone capable of serious thought. Despite this I bet he still doesn't comprehend.

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Yeah right, his ACT election disaster speaks volumes for his "clear" mind.

Oh, maybe you meant empty?

 

regards

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You decided all that after simply watching them walk past you at the airport? 

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Humans are social animals and we have finely attuned skills at assessing peoples moods and even at 'guessing' what people are thinking.

 

A computer could easily beat us at chess but program it to assess if someone is happy or sad is not so easy...

 

This apathy thing is something I feel from most of our politicians. Recently I asked if anyone here had experienced a genuine conversation with a politician. GBH said he had a good discussion with Ron Marks from NZ First at the local A & P show. But he is now retired. So maybe I should reframe the question, has anyone had a genuine conversation with a current politician?

 

Democracy only works if the voters and politicians genuinely engage with each other. Zombie politicians going through the motions are not good enough.....

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Happy123: Of course not. But I have learnt to have a lot of faith in my instinct. People really do "reek" of what they are. You just gotta use those mirror neurons :)

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#1 An interesting article by Dirk Bezemer and Michael Hudson on the rentier economy.

 

http://michael-hudson.com/2012/09/incorporating-the-rentier-sectors-int…

 

"The FIRE sector is today’s form that the rentier class takes. Rentiers are those who benefit from control over assets that the economy needs to function, and who, therefore, grow disproportionately rich as the economy develops. These proceeds are rents – revenues from ownership “without working, risking, or economizing”, as John Stuart Mill (1848) wrote of the landlords of his day, explaining that ‘they grow richer, as it were in their sleep’."

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http://michael-hudson.com/2013/07/the-bubble-economy-as-a-2-part-play-f…

 

"In place of a new bubble, financial elites are demanding privatization sell-offs from debt-strapped governments. Pressure is being brought to bear on Detroit to sell off its most valuable paintings and statues from its art museums. The idea is to sell their artworks for tycoons to buy as trophies, with the money being used to pay bondholders.

The same dynamic is occurring in Europe. The European Union and European Central Bank are demanding that Greece sell off its prime tourist land, ports, transport systems and other assets in the public domain – perhaps even the Parthenon. So we are seeing a neo-rentier grab for basic infrastructure as part of the overall asset stripping."

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