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Monday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Key staunch on NZ Super; Really ugly and well dressed cats; Rubberised felines; Roubini speaks; Dilberts

Monday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Key staunch on NZ Super; Really ugly and well dressed cats; Rubberised felines; Roubini speaks; Dilberts
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Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 past 11 am, brought to you in association with New Zealand Mint for your reading pleasure.

I welcome your additions and comments below, or please send suggestions for Tuesday's Top 10 at 10 via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop any surplus suggestions I get into the comment stream under the Top 10.

1. 'I will not be moved'  - Despite the talk of a Pensions Working Group on the weekend, Prime Minister John Key has reasserted his opposition to changing either the NZ Superannuation age (65) or its amount (66% of the average wage).

That's one way to shut down the debate.

A pity.

He has however left the door open for Compulsory KiwiSaver.

I'm not sure how you could have both a universal pension on the current terms and a Compulsory KiwiSaver, but no doubt this will come out in the debate.

One thing that should be talked about is what happens to all this extra saving we might do into pension funds. At the moment most of it is being funneled offshore.

Was that supposed to be the plan? Currently 69% of the NZ Super Fund's (Cullen Fund) NZ$15.6 billion of assets is invested offshore once cash here is included. It's 81% without cash.

As at the end of March 2009 44% of the NZ$3 billion invested in KiwiSaver funds had been sent offshore.

If we have a savings problem in New Zealand, is sending more than three quarters of this news savings overseas the right approach?

Mr Key said he was happy with how New Zealand's superannuation scheme worked and it was, essentially, compulsory. "That's a very elegant system, it works well, and we're not going to change it -- either age of entitlement or the amount that you get," he told TV One's Breakfast show.

However, 90 percent of New Zealand's debt was owned offshore, he said. "Lifting our national savings rate would be really good, the question is how you do that." Individuals lived longer after retirement now and were more active so needed more money to fund their retirement, Mr Key said.

Mr Key said the Government was aware of the problems and was looking into solutions but it was too early to say whether it would adopt compulsory KiwiSaver.  

2. 'There's no mattress big enough' - William Pesek makes the point at Bloomberg that China's widening gap between the rich and the poor is a political problem in the long run because eventually it's hard for the super rich to hide their wealth from the super poor.

And we wonder why so many Chinese seem so keen to squirrel their cash out of China and into hard assets in New Zealand such as land or houses?

Investors haven’t gotten rich betting against China. Yet China’s fragilities need tending to, and now, if its development is to be sustainable. The condition of China’s state-owned banks is a concern for investors, and rightfully so. China plans to stress-test banks to assess how a big drop in property prices would affect the financial system.

Officials should make sure the process is more thorough and transparent than in the U.S., Europe or Japan. Social unrest is a bigger risk. Much of China’s hidden income may be “illegal or quasi-illegal,” according to the Credit Suisse study, published by the China Reform Foundation. It should be no surprise that a nation growing 10 percent has a healthy gray economy running in parallel.

That’s what happens when an all-powerful, top-down government mixes with vast supplies of capital. Crony capital thrives, be it kickbacks from construction projects, gifts to officials at weddings, payoffs from state monopolies such as the tobacco industry or spreading profits from land transfers.  

3. Australia's plastic cash scandal - The Reserve Bank of Australia just can't seem to shrug off its money printing bribery scandal. Now the Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that Securency, the RBA's money printer (and ours), used an Indian middle man that was also involved in the Iraqi oil-for-food scandal that was so damaging for the Australian Wheat Board.

The agent engaged by the Reserve's banknote firm Securency - which is the subject of Australia's biggest foreign bribery investigation - is related to a senior Indian politician, Natwar Singh, and has been raided by Indian police in connection with suspect arms deals.

Securency hired the businessman Aditya Khanna and his Delhi firm, DSSI Group, to help get its plastic banknotes circulating in India, one of the world's biggest cash economies.  

4. Can we trust the CEOs and their bankers? - We're about to have a debate about whether New Zealand should adopt an Australian-style compulsory KiwiSaver scheme.

But it's worth looking closely at who has actually benefited from the Australian scheme and the A$1 trillion of savings now sitting there. Michael Evans at BusinessDay points to a report showing that CEOs and their investment bankers engineered a massive transfer of wealth during the A$100 billion of capital injections in 2008/09 through doing share placements rather than rights issues. Mates picked mates.

A review of the A$100 billion in capital injections made in 2008-09 questioned the fairness and transparency of the processes, finding existing shareholders suffered an extraordinary transfer of wealth to other investors, hand-picked by company management and their investment bank advisers.

The corporate governance advisory firm ISS Governance Services calculated that A$45 billion of the A$98.9 billion in funds raised by Australian companies as they sought to repair their debt-laden balance sheets during the global financial crisis were chosen by the company or their advisers in a process known as a placement.

Existing shareholders who are unable to take part in a placement have their stake watered down. In contrast, capital-raisings, where all investors were given the opportunity to maintain their ownership interest in the company through rights issues, accounted for A$46.2 billion.

5. Affordable housing and employment - It's intuitive that expensive housing in an area would suppress employment growth in that area because people can't afford to live and work there.

Could it be the same for a country? Until now the research hasn't been there to say yea or nay. Now Ritashree Chakrabarti and Junfu Zhang from the New England Public Policy centre have done some research on how unaffordable housing affected employment growth in parts of the United States. They say it does.

There is a general belief that unaffordable housing could drive businesses away and thus impede job growth.

We empirically measure this effect using data on California municipalities and U.S. metropolitan areas and counties. It is argued that for various reasons a simple correlation between unaffordable housing and employment growth should not be interpreted as causal.

We therefore develop some empirical strategies and employ statistical techniques to estimate the causal effect of unaffordable housing on employment growth. Our results provide consistent evidence that indeed unaffordable housing slows growth in local employment.

6. How big is that bubble in China? - One of the most closely watched hot spots in the global economy right now is the Chinese housing market. Here is an academic paper from Jing Wu, Joseph Gyourko and Yongheng Deng at the National Bureau of Economic Research which reckons prices in Beijing could fall 40%.

High and rising prices in Chinese housing markets have attracted global attention, as well as the interest of the Chinese government and its regulators. Housing markets look very risky based on the stylized facts we document. Price-to-rent ratios in Beijing and seven other large markets across the country have increased from 30% to 70% since the beginning of 2007. Current price-to-rent ratios imply very low user costs of no more than 2%-3% of house value. Very high expected capital gains appear necessary to justify such low user costs of owning.

Our calculations suggest that even modest declines in expected appreciation would lead to large price declines of over 40% in markets such as Beijing, absent offsetting rent increases or other countervailing factors. Price-to-income ratios also are at their highest levels ever in Beijing and select other markets. Much of the increase in prices is occurring in land values.

Using data from the local land auction market in Beijing, we are able to produce a constant quality land price index for that city. Real, constant quality land values have increased by nearly 800% since the first quarter of 2003, with half that rise occurring over the past two years. State-owned enterprises controlled by the central government have played an important role in this increase, as our analysis shows they paid 27% more than other bidders for an otherwise equivalent land parcel.

7. Speaking of cats...(below) - America's economic recovery has been of the rubbery feline variety, the Economist's Ryan Avent points out with this handy chart (left), particularly compared to previous recoveries.

He has some startling stats on how employment has previously bounced back very strongly...but not this time.

From 1934 to 1936, the American economy grew by 10.9%, 8.9%, and 13.0% per year, respectively. From 1983 to 1985, annual growth came in at 4.5%, 7.2%, and 4.1%. For now, it seems the American economy will struggle to grow by 3% in the first full calendar year after the recession.

This is uncharted territory for the American economy.

We have already observed the ways that the weak and jobless recovery has strained budgets and labour market institutions.

It will place transformative pressure on other political and economic institutions as well before the unemployment rate falls back to "normal" levels  

8. Roubini speaks - Nouriel Roubini spoke to Andrew Patterson at Radio Live last week about the rising risk of a double dip recession in the US economy. He sees more money printing from the US Federal Reserve, but doesn't see it making much difference.

Interest rates are already near record lows and borrowers aren't credit worthy enough. The only other option is government stimulus paid for with bond issues, but America's public debt is already very high and it's politically difficult to push it much higher than the already ruinous track.

Roubini is well worth listening to by those a tad sceptical about the 'new normal'.

"You cannot force a horse to drink," Roubini says.

"We cannot go back to high economic growth any time soon until this massive multi-year deleveraging has taken place."

He sees anaemic growth for two or three years with a lower risk of a slide into a Japanese-style depression.

9. Totally irrelevant pictures - This is how some of the richest people in America live. These cats below were in a fashion show to celebrate another cat's birthday in New York. Poor little buggers.

Halebop is a cat from New York. They have way too much money there.

 

This is just too good not to put in.

Oh and this is a shocker too

10. Totally irrelevant video - This made me smile. Clever video wordplay. HT EricaLloyd va Twitter

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This is worth watching.

In an interview with WSJ's Kelly Evans, Gluskin Sheff's Chief Economist David Rosenberg warned that the chances of a double-dip recession are greater than 50-50 and that the recession may not have ended last year at all. He also called for the cutting of corporate taxes to spur job growth.

http://online.wsj.com/video/the-big-interview-with-david-rosenberg/156F…

cheers
Bernard

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Wow 10yr note at 2%. Good interview.

Who would have guessed Keynesian Economics and socialist policies to centralise control of the economy by the Obama administration dont work. huh....

What they need to do is cut government spending and cut taxes.

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uh no....

The blow up was because of Greespan/Rand/Reagan and the broken neo-classical economics model....its this that has been shown to be broken

The recent Keynesian easing was an attempt to flog a dead horse...shot in the head by the above.

regards

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How can you say a free market/laissez-faire type economics have caused this problem (which is what I assume you mean by Rand/Regan comment) when the Federal Reserve has been operational manipulating markets since 1913? How is that free market?

To be fair though Greenspan kept rates too low for too long and deserves more credit for current troubles.

 

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Thats because the hikers/hawks are wearing extreme right wing / neo-con political blinkers....and have well paid jobs well above ground zero... ie they dont see and dont care.

The USa has seen 30 years of Reaganomics and its buggered thinks up tremendiously...now we see claims that actually the reason this has failed is because it wasnt radical enough....

Hopefully the voter will decide otherwise, but that's tehir choice.

regards

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These are haunting images of a housing boom gone bust. Beautiful, mostly new, homes and estates (subdivisions) in Ireland left to rot as they remain empty.

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2010/08/11/photo-tour-irelands-ghost-esta…

HT Russell via email

"I saw an interesting slide show on the problems in the Irish housing market , as they say a picture paints a thousand words have a gander it may quench the thirst of the blood thirsty property bulls . It is interesting as New Zealand is compared to Ireland so often. There are issues around Irelands membership of the Euro that do not apply to New Zealand but the pictures are pretty unnerving."   cheers bernard
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A good point....

Ive looked at the pensions plans I took out when young and to be honest Im sure I can do better.....in fact in the last decade Ive been buying shares and Ive seen a better return when I sold them all in June. A compulsory scheme would force me and others to use an approved company run by morons rather than rolling my own....and that just sucks.

Also you should be able to offset against a mortgage, it makes no sense to be forced into a plan and only see say 3 or 4% return if paying your mortage at say 6% its losing you net money....

regards

 

 

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The graph of employment growth after recessions is a bit of a worry.  If wages fall as a result of a recession, then employers should replace workers they have laid off with new people at lower wages, and re-establish with better terms of business (perhaps by selling at lower prices for example), ready to launch into the next boom cycle.

However in a globalised labour pool, employers don't re-employ with local labour, and each successive recession erodes the workforce in high-wage countries such as the US or NZ.  Either because operations are re-established in other countries, or because local businesses fall over and are replaced by importers.

Prices are a function of scarcity, and college/university qualified unemployed people are not scarce in the developed western world or in China/India and the other emerging "Knowledge Economy" countries.

Employment/wage growth has been sluggish in the Western world because we (the workforce) no longer do things at a rate that we (the consuming public) are prepared to pay for.  We don't eat our own dog food.  I think it's great that my neighbour runs a small manufacturing business in Penrose, but my wife doesn't buy his stuff at the $2 shop.

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Well the beauty of a lower standard of living is that it's a policy that pretty much implements itself - you don't have to worry about getting people to accept it.  The tricky thing is coming up with something scarce and desirable to flog off to whoever is left holding the money.

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"Wages are going to have to fall here" - Of course you do realise that NZ wages are already well behind those of developed countries? And that the wages already are way too low compared with the (high) cost of living? I can only imagine how tough everyday life must be for people on average wage (let alone on lower than average wage) and I don't think I want to imagine what it'd be like if wages were to drop even more.

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So how do you explain higher wages in, say, Europe? Manufacturers also have to compete against competition from China/Asia. How do you explain that they can do it then(not only survive but make a profit), and we can't?

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Actually, I think that the size of our local market may be a factor. From my limited manufacturing experience, getting into overseas markets is very difficult but making the product cost me the same here as it'd have in Europe/the US (books, designed here, printed in China). We have fewer potential customers so maybe that's one of the reasons why wages are lower.

That said, from experience in another area as an employee, I have noticed that employers in NZ often want to pay little and hope to get away with it. Eg, get a new graduate to do sthg for cheap and hope he'll be as efficient as someone with 12 years' experience. The truth is, they probably end up paying more (new graduate = slower + probably lesser quality design = issues with the product/software = need to hire the more experienced person anyway to fix the mess = higher cost after all).

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The cost of shipping will rise significantly, oh and China's labour costs are rising....but its the former that will kill globalisation.

Peak oil simply settles all arguments in its favour....

regards

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Elley "I can only imagine how tough everyday life must be for people on average wage"

You do realize that 80% of us earn less than the average wage don't you Elley, 70% earn less than $40k and 50% (obviously) earn less than the median of  about $27K, this is pre tax BTW. Most kiwi households are stretched to breaking point.
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Kiwidave, yes I do and I feel very sad about it. Once my husband and I have managed to grow our business and hire employees [and it's a when not an if, I may be completely optimistic and maybe it will never happen but I am of the opinion that if you decide to take something on, you have to put all your energy into it if you're gonna have the slightest chance of success, and that includes a positive frame of mind], we have every intention to give them better conditions than expected (higher salaries than expected, flexibility because we know what it's like to juggle work and a young family, and other perks like more than minimum sick/paid holiday, profit sharing etc). Why? Because we believe that this will (hopefully) mean that the employees will be more motivated, will feel like doing a good job will actually make a difference to their purse (as opposed to the bosses cashing in all the benefits) and will be less enclined to go elsewhere. As everybody knows lower turnover rate = more expertise kept in the company = more efficient = better profits. Well, that's our take on it anyway. Call me a dreamer but hey, I like dreams.

The best (Scottish) boss I had, in the UK, was not only a great businessman but also knew how to deal with people (rare but such an advantage for a CEO). He grew his company from scratch big time and guess what, he paid more than other employers, gave out pay rises of no less than 8% (I got double-digit pay rises for 3 years like most other people), paid out a profit share each year based on the company's profit (around 2 extra months' salary) and dealt with people on a case-by-case basis regarding their "needs" (eg family problems, desire to take a sabaticcal, go part-time etc). Did he go bankrupt? Hell no, he was very successful and did extremely well even during the recent downturn. The employee turnover was extremely low (no wonder) and his belief was that the happier his employees were, the better his company would perform. He was right. He's now retired, I'm still in touch with him and I consider him to be a model as far as managing a company is concerned. Of course, his attitude required a vision (which goes a little bit further than the very short term!).

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Thanks. The "employees" bit is probably a couple of years off but we know what we want to achieve and when we get there we'll make sure to be careful when hiring then! Anyway, we're young(-ish) so we've got to try things and set ourselves a few challenges or life could even become boring (that'd be shocking).

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Good for you Elley. I sold my thriving retail business over ten years ago, asking round I find that wages now are no better than I was paying then. Living costs of course have probably doubled, particularly the non discretionary things like electricity, car rego, rates and housing costs.

The neo feudal business round-table are constantly lobbying for lower minimum wages and downward wage pressure through more immigration. The guy charged with lifting our relative wealth and income (Don Brash) thinks we need to lower the minimum wage to below subsistence level.

Guess what, a low wage economy leads to low productivity (seen the way they build roads in India) less capital accumulation and a hard to correct downward wealth spiral. 

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Elliot,

Not much you could put your finger own. My wife and I own the house we live in. I'm investing my time and effort in this business, interest.co.nz. That's it, apart from my default KiwiSaver...

cheers

Bernard

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The producers of the movie "Secret of Oz" have made it available free now on the internet here:

http://www.secretofoz.com/

If your unfamiliar with the movie its about The Yellow Brick Road (gold standard) and the Emerald City of Oz (greenback money).

Also the movie talks about an alternative monetary system where money is issued debt-free..

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This long article gives an analysis on how China has followed Japans investment led growth but the bind it is getting its self in to. To keep growing China has to invest but as consumption falls to 35.6% of GDP who will buy the production and service the debt. The answer is Household Income but that is also declining.

http://mpettis.com/2010/08/chinese-consumption-and-the-japanese-%E2%80%9Csorpasso%E2%80%9D/

"by the early 1990s Japan had generated so much investment-driven growth that it had grown from 7% of global GDP in 1970 to 10% in 1980, and then surged to nearly 18% at its peak in the early 1990s.

twenty years later...Japan is about to be overtaken by China with only 8% of global GDP."

Japan has lost all most all of its relative growth from 1970

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#4 "Can we trust the CEOs and their bankers?" - I assume this was a rhetorical question.

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Paul Holmes on NZH again.. good read:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/economy/news/article.cfm?c_id=34&objectid=106…

Love this quote:

"Let me tell you about economists, in particular those we hear on the radio and on television and read in the newspapers. They are fundamentally, intellectually dishonest. They are not to be trusted because they are deeply compromised.

For a start, they know nothing anyway. Flash talk never necessarily means a person knows anything. "

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No, the rebound (dead cat bounce) is looking over....I think we are looking at new lows myself and a lot lower...un-emplyment in double figures etc....

regards

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Economists don't cause the economy to tank. Jesus I'm sick of juvenile perspectives like these.

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I did not glean that from the comment Chris......? while I think he is pulling a long bow....there is no doubt many of the economists trotted out by Bankey boy to the media  are frankly  just full of shit....I apologise for the use of  the word shit ...but shit ...I don't know what else to say about some of these pinstriped turds...... yes Corrin...recovery bla bla...wer'e doing fine bla bla...we'll just keep mentioning how bad the U.S. economy is BLABLABLA.......... and I just get to the point where I want to shake the bas%*&d and tell him to shut the f$%k up you idiot.

a little juvenile ....yes, but somehow I feel a little better....thanks for listening. 

And economists do not cause the tank but may have a responsibility to apprise us of the situation as it ..............is.

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Economists tried relentlessly prior to the GFC to warn people of an impending debt bubble, and people chose not to pay attention to them. I'm not sure what else you expect of them frankly.

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As I pointed out in another thread Chris....people like Nana and others have and did try to warn the collective...... but they were not the economists who had the ear of those who had no stomach for what would be required politically to ...avert..?...cushion the impact..?....because intervention and regulation is foul-speak to banky boy and I am in no doubt as to who ...............

 

It is always the question that policy is created for.......In whose interests..?

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The problem isn't economists - it's politicians who elect to surround themselves with Yes-men.

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Very few economists saw the approaching GFC, the vast majority were clueless pretty much like they are today. Of course once the crisis hit they all put their hands up proclaiming to have predicted it.

So here's a question for you.. how many economists are trying relentlessly to warn us of the next collapse .. ie end of the Keynesian economic system?

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Some did some didnt, those with no political agenda certianly that looks a fair comment...

regards

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They should replace all those statistics they quote with the only statistic that counts: how many minutes it takes to find a carpark at a Westfield on Saturday.

 

We could have all sorts of amazing graphs charting that against time, rainfall, house prices, the lot!

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Another Monday and another week of govt BS and spin. We might get the 6 part strategy speech again to laugh at. Should be a survey or two pointing to a wonderful light at the end of the tunnel. No doubt some Labour fool will blurt on about the need to raise the minimum wage and benefits and for the govt to borrow more and splurge on job creation Barry Obama style. Who gives a shite!

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You ...that's who Wally( as it is ..your...rightful name) and keep giving that shite ...ya scamp there will be a place for you  in the my Dictatorship......  just as soon as we bring down the horse...or in this case the DonKey..........chin up Wally.

El Diablo cago en tu cara otra vez

 

Viva El Presidente"

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That did not translate into a pleasant image at all Christov!.....go and have a read of that stuff on the link I posted at the end of this thread.

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The one that hasnt burst but has been with us for decades,  the fossil fuel bubble.

regards

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Probably because Weldon is a shill, which explains why no one with any brains invests on the NZ sharemarket. Just a theory.

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Don't get me wrong Anon, I'm not saying there are no good companies on the NZX - there are many. But the management of the NZX and the deceitful practices and old-boy nature makes me dubious of the exchange itself, not to mention many of the participants.

 

And I'm certianly not advocating property over NZX investments - I am no property bull, and probably never see myself as a property investor (at least not directly, though some of the listed property trusts have been outstanding performers). But I would prefer to deal on more transparent and honest exchanges like the NYSE and ASX.

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Well put.

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Top thought..investo/s...and yet that is all a lot would do about it ...imagine..! 

but  Amen to the idea.

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Re. #1 - The problem that no-one seems to mention is that this large pot of future superannuation savings has to be invested for a positive return.  As far as I'm concerned there are very few, if any, fund managers in NZ capable of doing this.  It could well be that future savers get little or no return on their money and in the worst case actually lose money.  BTW I support a compulsory super scheme.  Also isn't it ironic that Winston Peters was demonised for proposing this in the late 1990's and how much better off would NZ now be if his proposals had been implemented at that time? 

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I agree and that's the main problem with Kiwisaver.

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If you love puzzles inside problems done up in knots...have a read of this:

 http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article21916.html

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You rate Prechter don't you Wally.........I'm still out with the jury on him....sometimes it's almost like they couldn't have mismanaged things this well..... unless working to a plan of ground Zero..................and away we go again and all bets are off.

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Oh open up the sky and let me through!

It's all over now Baby Blue.

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HT to Andyh for this link put into the stream in Friday's Top 10

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/08/august-13-2010-bubble-psy…

Well worth a read for those who think the GFC is over.

It makes comparisons with what was being said in 1930.

"We are just past the point labeled 'Return to Normal', which corresponds to just after the end of the great sucker rally of 1930. Clearly we have a long way to fall in the next leg of deflationary deleveraging that is now underway, and the effects on the real economy will begin to be felt in the not too distant future."

cheers

Bernard

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Interesting piece on how the baby boomers will have to cut back in their retirements because they've lost their jobs, the retirement incomes have been hammered and future stock market earnings will be low.

As of 2008, the latest data available, people aged 65 to 74 were spending 12.3% less than they did ten years earlier, in inflation-adjusted terms. They cut spending on cars and trucks by 46%, household furnishings by 35% and dining out by 27%. At the same time, they spent 75% more on health care and 131% more on health insurance.

The impact isn't limited to people on the verge of retiring. Younger people, too, will have to reduce consumption now to save enough money to get by in retirement. That's one reason Richard Berner, chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley in New York, estimates that even after the economy recovers, consumer spending will grow at an annual, inflation-adjusted rate of about 2% to 2.5% in the long term, compared to an average of 3.6% in the ten years leading up to the last recession.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703321004575427881929070948.html?mod=rss_economy

cheers

Bernard

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Consumption as in "toys" they dont really need?

Looking forward I think the hit is even bigger, food is going to be significantly more expensive (50% more in real terms if not higher), taxes higher, utilities costs higher, rates higher, medical costs higher....all these are for want of a better word, compulsory spending....this means a lot less disposable income......all this will frighten gen X and Y and even the BBs when it really starts to impact ie about 5 years from now.....

regards

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Stop spamming me!!!!
 

Oh and BH Im so sick of being spammed I want to remove my account....if I cant post here in the future....well its the lesser of two annoyances....

regards

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Steven,

Amir will be in touch. Key thing to avoid email notifications of all comments on a thread you've commented on is not to tick the box asking to be notified for all comments.

You can tick the box for only comments on that particular comment.

cheers

Bernard

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Steven

This should be solved now.

Email me at amir.bashir@interest.co.nz if problem persist.

Cheers

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Commiserate with how you feel , steven . Hate those spammers . Hate 'em .............

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FYI The Companies Office has decided not to appeal the Feltex decision. Tail between legs.

http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=56158

cheers

Bernard

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By all means make saving for retirement compulsory, BUT.......... Give me back the tax I have payed for the last 30 years please as a CASH sum and then let me choose where that money goes after that in the form of a SAVINGS account with no/low RWT to pay on interest.

Any other arrangement  John Key and you sir will be  'stealing' from me. Do this right or don't do it at all.

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Seem to be some who continue to believe in the growth-and-investment-forever mantra.

Try this:

http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything/2010/07/where…

There was an intellectual construct a whiles back, taken as gospel by most. Called the 'Flat Earth', it failed to ever explain the phenomenon of ships sailing over the horizon.

Economics is now, where the flat-earth idea was when Magellan's crew straggled back to where they started. Even when presented with the fact that the crew were worshipping the Sabbath a day out (thus proving daily rotation and anticipating the need for a Date Line) the penny didn't drop.

The planet, by being proven spherical, was also proven finite. It wasn't a rocket-scientist stretch of the imagination from that point, to anticipate a peak of resource-based growth (and isn't that what consumption is? Look at the Nat's moves - which don't involve physical resources?).

Why do these folk not listen? Are they descendants of the flat-earthers?

Amir - how about no-tick being the default option? You are seriously diluting the viagra ads in my junk mail. It won't work as well. Just another example of the limits to growth.

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I agree, its like the huge elephant sitting in the corner that everyone one ignores...

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I always need the light hearted irrelevant video to save me from the depression of the rest of the news. :P

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