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Wednesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Allan Crafar's cow mortgages; An ugly Irish brew; Why Robo-signer may be the next credit crunch chapter; Dilbert

Wednesday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Allan Crafar's cow mortgages; An ugly Irish brew; Why Robo-signer may be the next credit crunch chapter; Dilbert
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Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 past midday, brought to you in association with New Zealand Mint for your reading pleasure.

I welcome your additions and comments below, or please send suggestions for Thursday's Top 10 at 10 via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop any surplus suggestions I get into the comment stream.

1. 'He was simply focused on the idea that land prices would go up over the next year or two' - Former Westpac lending manager David Little has told the High Court in Auckland about Allan Crafar's attitude to expansion and borrowing more money against his cows to buy yet more land. BusinessDay's William Mace has the story.

This is all about the cows that were 'stolen' when the receivership was announced. Remember the cows that were transported down south in the dead of night?

It turned out Crafar had mortgaged the cows a few times to do a land deal at the end of the boom. He hadn't spoken to the bank with the first security...Sigh...And the banks lent this chump NZ$200 million to start with.

And farmers wonder why now they find it difficult to extract money from bankers...

Mr Little said he told Allan Crafar that he "thought [Crafar Farms] were becoming stretched and they should consolidate" at the May 2008 meeting.

Mr Crafar scratched his head and jokingly asked what the word meant. Mr Little said he felt Mr Crafar "did not have his ducks in a row" to complete all the transactions and therefore asked for consolidation.

He said the banks were concerned that Crafar Farms was selling cattle in order to buy more land, and that this could affect the group's control over stock which were the principal revenue generator for the companies. Instead Mr Crafar "was simply focused on his view that land prices were going to go up over the next year or two", he said.  

2. 'He's onto it' - These comments from National Australian Bank's head of Business Banking Joseph Healy via Bloomberg about the Australian banks' preference for housing lending could easily be applied here. They're instructive.

Australia’s economic growth may be eroded by local banks’ preference toward household lending over business loans, a National Australia Bank Ltd. executive said.

“Any bias of one asset class over another has potentially long-term harmful consequences, particularly if that means there is less credit being made available to the business sector,” Joseph Healy, the bank’s business banking chief, told a finance conference in Sydney today.

Australia’s ability to tap foreign investors for funding may also weaken in coming years as economic growth recovers in other developed markets, Healy said. If local credit growth rebounds to an annual pace of 8.5 percent, new wholesale term debt issuance will need to rise A$320 billion ($313 billion) by 2014 from an estimated A$140 billion this year, UBS AG analysts said in April. “We should recognize that the Australian banks today are amongst the largest issuers” on international debt markets, Healy said.

“There is a risk that the appetite from the international investors for Australian bank paper could have a natural limit, notwithstanding our very strong credit ratings.”  

3. The gall of them - The WSJ reports Wall St's bankers are back paying themselves record bonuses with government-guaranteed profits while the rest of America labours through a new depression. Why aren't there riots in America? Maybe one day the masses will understand.

I get the feeling they're beginning to get a bit of a sniff. The big banks are about to pay employees US$144 billion.

Pay on Wall Street is on pace to break a record high for a second consecutive year, according to a study conducted by The Wall Street Journal. About three dozen of the top publicly held securities and investment-services firms—which include banks, investment banks, hedge funds, money-management firms and securities exchanges—are set to pay $144 billion in compensation and benefits this year, a 4% increase from the $139 billion paid out in 2009, according to the survey.

Compensation was expected to rise at 26 of the 35 firms. The data showed that revenue was expected to rise at 29 of the 35 firms surveyed, but at a slower pace than pay. Wall Street revenue is expected to rise 3%, to $448 billion from $433 billion, despite a slowdown in some high-profile activities like stock and bond trading.  

4. Something ugly is brewing in Ireland - The FT.com points out (via ZH) that Ireland may be about to do the unthinkable: forcing the senior debt holders of its bankrupt banks to take a loss. This has been verboten until now. Hang on to your hats if this is confirmed or gets a run on.

"Ireland has opened the door to a renegotiation with senior bondholders of its two nationalised banks despite previously opposing any such move for fear of drawing the wrath of creditors around the world."

This would be a huge change in strategy, and if effectuated, would mean that Ireland (for lack of an alternative) would be forced to do what the US was terrified of doing when Citi, Fannie and all the other still-bankrupt companies were on the brink. While the US never impaired the senior debt, for fear of enraging creditors (mostly China) who would have experienced their first capital loss on US-debt, it seems the dominoes are about to topple for Ireland as Irish eyes are about to stop smiling and take their bitter medicine, which our own Uncle Sam will avoid until well past the bitter end.

Alternatively, this would also mean the end of the strong EUR regime once again, as the ping-ponging burden of proof of solvency shifts once again to Europe.

5. Why Australia's house prices are a bubble - Leith van Onselen, an investment banker in Australia, writes a great blog on house prices.

This missive is packed full of juicy charts and detail. Read it and you'll at least question the BIS Shrapnel forecast today of 9%-20% rise in Australian house prices over the next three years. Check out the chart below showing New Zealand's household debt to disposable income being higher than the US, Canada and Germany. Our household debt is actually higher than Japan's was before it went into its couple of lost decades.

The bottom line is that the downside risks to Australian house prices far outweigh the potential upside.

Housing is simply the wrong asset, at the wrong price, at the wrong time.  

6. Currency wars bulletin board - Thailand is set to impose a Brazilian style tax on foreign investments in local bonds as the Currency Wars continue to cause nervous reactions on global currency markets, except for New Zealand, of course. Reuters has the report.

The G20 meeting in Seoul next month looks crucial.

Asian authorities anxious about currency appreciation moved to stem foreign capital inflows on Monday while a European official stepped up rhetoric about a strong euro after IMF meetings failed to defuse tensions about exchange rates.

With interest rates in the developed world at record lows, investors have poured money into higher-yielding emerging market assets, driving up local currencies in the process. Governments, afraid that rising exchange rates will hurt exports and stunt economic growth, have tried to limit currency appreciation, sparking fears of a "race to the bottom" that may trigger trade tariffs and a sharp decline in global growth.

"If each country insists on its own interest during the recovery phase, it will bring about trade protectionism and will cause the world economy very big problems," South Korean President Lee Myung-bak told foreign journalists during a lunch meeting at his residence. World finance leaders made no headway on currency disputes at a weekend International Monetary Fund meeting, and Lee urged an agreement before his country hosts a G20 summit next month.

7. Corn prices surging - This is worth watching. The last time food and oil prices jumped like this it triggered a global recession. This time they're jumping as investors hunt for anything that's not made of paper. 

The last time this happened milk prices rose as dairy farmers in America struggled with higher feed costs. Seems a bit of a roller coaster. Here's the New York Times report.

Corn futures surged on Monday, hitting two-year peaks and leading other agricultural commodities higher on the second session of strong gains after the government slashed its crop outlook, initiating worries of higher prices for food and biofuels. Copper and gold prices rose as well, lifting the 19-commodity Reuters-Jefferies CRB index, which extended Friday’s two-year high even though crude oil fell.

Corn rose 5 percent in Chicago futures trading after soaring 9 percent on Friday. Soybeans, sugar and coffee also had sharp gains in the two sessions on worries that agricultural supplies would tighten from smaller harvests forecast for this year. Corn is the main feedstock for ethanol production.

The biggest two-day run-up for corn since 1988, it brought back memories of early 2008, when record high grains prices led to sharply higher food prices. “For sure, with higher feed grain prices there is potential for upward price pressure particularly on pork, poultry and beef,” said Luke Mathews, commodity strategist at Commonwealth Bank of Australia.  

8. Everything you need to know about the Robo-signing crisis - John Carney at CNBC has an excellent backgrounder on this.

Check out the last line. "This could be the beginning of the second leg of the credit crunch."

What does this mean for the banks?

In the first place, the slowdown in foreclosure sales might hit the revenues of the banks. The defaulted loans aren’t spinning off revenue and now the foreclosures aren’t producing revenue either. If the foreclosure freezes last long enough, this could it the bottom lines of the banks. At the very least, banks should be adjusting the estimates on the likelihood of short-term recovery values for their mortgage portfolios.

The fact that banks securitized loans but did not get proper assignments of the mortgage notes may find themselves liable to lawsuits from investors. A typical mortgage bond issuance includes representations and warranties that all the proper documentation has been obtained. Banks could find themselves liable for a breach of these warranties. This could also turn into a fight between investors of junior and senior tranches of mortgage bonds.

What does this mean for the housing market and the economy?

Get ready to hear the phrase “pig through the python” a lot. For example, “We need to get the pig through the python very quickly so that the market can be free of uncertainty.” This is the favorite metaphor of bankers discussing the foreclosure crisis. The idea is that anything that slows down foreclosures will unsteady the housing market. There’s a lot of truth to this. Buyers will hesitate to bid on foreclosure sales if they are not confident the foreclosure is legitimate. Other buyers may worry that the lack of foreclosure sales in an area is a false indicator of the health of the local housing market.

Banks concerned about the recovery values of their mortgage portfolios and higher capital requirements, may pull back lending even further than they already have.

In short, this could be the beginning of the second leg of the credit crunch.

9. Martin Wolf and Gillian Tett talk at YahooFinance about financial reform. Joseph Stiglitz and George Soros also chimed in at a recent FT conference that the financial system remains broken.

"I would've thought letting banks make their own risk models would have been a non-starter" after the bursting of the credit bubble, Stiglitz added.

Repeating a familiar critique of the "perverse incentives" on Wall Street, the Columbia professor and Nobel-prize winner said the "widespread misunderstanding of risk...creates an opportunity for Wall Street to exploit [regulatory loopholes] and dump risk on the taxpayer."

Piling on further, Soros and Stiglitz warned of the risk of firms being not only too big to fail, but too interconnected. "Things have gotten out of control, have not been brought under control by what has been done" on the regulatory front, Soros said.  

 
10. Totally irrelevant video - This ad for Old Spice in America has become an Internet phenomenon. The one below that is the compilation of one phenomen ('Will it blend?') with this one. Don't try this at home. HT Alistair Helm via Twitter.

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Here's Diana Olick from CNBC on foreclosure fraud.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39634568

It's worse than you think, she says. There are now questions about who owns all these trillions of dollars of mortgages that were sprayed around from 2002 to 2007. Oh boy..

The real issue is ownership of these loans and who has the right to foreclose. A source of mine pointed me to a recent conference call Citigroup had with investors/clients.  It featured Adam Levitin, a Georgetown University Law professor who specializes in, among many other financial regulatory issues, mortgage finance. Levitin says the documentation problems involved in the mortgage mess have the potential "to cloud title on not just foreclosed mortgages but on performing mortgages."

cheers

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I have to say, that if i was currently paying a US mortgage I would be insisting that the purporting mortgagor show me their supporting documentation, prior to any further mortgage payments. If 60% of all mortgages really are not actually assigned to the mortgage trustee (as Levitin claims), then this is armageddon for the US banking/property industry. On the plus side a huge number of people might end up (eventually) getting all or most of their exisiting mortgages wiped. At least thats some sort of "main street" bailout, even if its assymetric and represents debtors being bailed out by savers.

Mind you the Fed would probably have to bail out all the banks too at that point, so the real losers would  end up being foreign holders of US$ and bonds. Which makes this a political win-win for US politicians as pretty much the entire country wold be happy to give China a bloody nose....

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Na, if they cant find a way to get round the courts, they will [try again to ] legislate....bound to....there is no choice.......they have been bought....soon I guess it will be barrow loads of $ arriving at the legislators door.....

China, does it deserve that bloody nose? I'd suggest not....

Also who would the US borrow off? so just who gets the bloody nose? not so sure...

regards

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Also who would the US borrow off?

QE versions 3-7 ought to do the trick. (Once you accept that you are going to print to buy your own debt, suddenly all other creditors become irrelevant).

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And meanwhile, people who probably haven't made a mortgage payment in months live mortgage/rent free indefinitely. 

At what stage does someone become a mug for continuing to service their mortgage?

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More on that Citigroup call on Robo-signer and the risks of a wider crisis

Yesterday, Citigroup's homebuilding team hosted a call with investors in which the guest speaker was Adam Levitin, an associate professor of law at Georgetown University. Far from providing the "all green" call participants had desired, Levitin said that what we have recently seen and heard in the news is “just the tip of the iceberg” and that the foreclosure halt may well cause a "systemic problem"

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/citigroup-call-implications-foreclosure-crisis-just-tip-iceberg

cheers

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MIT's Ian Lamont explains why China won't revalue the Yuan. This ain't pretty.

All countries exploit the dynamics between their political and economic systems. But China’s situation is exceptional. For three decades, the government of the People’s Republic of China has perpetuated a grand political dream, claiming a single-party political mandate from the Communist ideals espoused by Mao Zedong, while simultaneously drawing power from the capitalist canon. Beijing has been able to pull it off, largely through the promise of spreading wealth and opportunities to even the poorest of villages and maintaining benefits for cadres and workers in state-owned enterprises which cannot easily be absorbed into the capitalist system. A high rate of GDP growth is required year after year to maintain this state of affairs.

A sudden change in the value of the Yuan could have the effect of throwing a wrench into the works, potentially setting off a chain reaction of factory closures and layoffs across the interconnected networks that drive China’s export-oriented economy. In the short term, China might be able manipulate legislation, the banking sector, and welfare levers to prop up key industries or regions. But in the long term, it is uncertain if these steps would be enough to preserve social stability or continued loyalty to the Communist Party.

http://baselinescenario.com/2010/10/01/why-china-is-unwilling-to-revalue-the-yuan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BaselineScenario+(The+Baseline+Scenario)

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Alistair Helm has a piece at Unconditional on Refund Real Estate, a new Australian based real estate franchising system that offers refunds to buyers and sellers...

http://unconditional.co.nz/blog/new-real-estate-business-model-emerging-for-2011/

cheers

Bernard

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So good you post it twice!!

In addition to Alistair's concerns, I think the banks might have something to say about this too. The RE commission comes out of the purchase value, which in turn determines the amount of debt secured against the property. By recycling cash back to the borrower, the  bank ends up with a loan that has a higher LVR than it thinks it does. At its logical conclusion this sort of kick-back becomes outright fraud when the purchase price valuation becomes far higher than the true (un kick-backed) open market value.

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That household debt graph is interesting - I was under the impression that NZ had very high houshold debt and very low government debt (well until Bill started borrowing at least).  But it looks like Aus and the UK have higher household debt than us, as well as higher government debt. 

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   China under its present incarnation will not revalue, because to maintain its present incarnation it cant...Well anyone who has a few brain cells left after the party of the last two decades must realise ..That things aint looking to good.The new boy on the block is no dumb cookie, his strategies were well thought out and well executed.It saw where the seeds of Capitalisms destruction lay..then the seeds were sowed.They flourished in the soil of our own greed..and were nurtured by the sweat of their cheap labour.

  This has brought America to an unprecedented point of indebtedness..Its true state of Unemployment is around 20%..Its Property market is Terminal.Their Democratic president is looking like a lame duck...Most of his advisors have been sacked..most were jewish but not all..I think that he genuinly dosn't want the coming Middle Eastern fireworks but I fear events will overtake him.  http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/06/will-israel-bomb-iran-this-summer/

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http://www.fool.co.uk/news/investing/2010/10/11/this-is-the-riskiest-market-ive-ever-seen.aspx

The funding of livestock through the stock finance firms has always baffled me, its a loan to the farmer but who claims the GST?

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This is more than a little noteworthy - NZ parliamentary researcher publishes peakoil warning:

http://www.nzx.com/news/economy/4228359/Dwindling-oil-supplies-threaten-economies

The NZ pollies cant say the warnings isnt being waved right under their noses, this is an inhouse report.

The original report is here - it is a reasonable summary of where we stand:

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/ParlSupport/ResearchPapers/4/6/a/00PLEco…

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Here we go again - Peak Oil is just around the corner - yeh Right !

The wonderful thing about humans is they can adapt and adapt we will by making - yes making oil from Limestone and water using Nuclear Power and have the additional benefit of having no net CO2 emissions by using the lime byproducts to re-absorb the CO2 from the  emissions generated by burning the fuel in a closed cycle.

Not economic as yet and requires IV generation high temperature nukes on the drawing board that have already run as prototypes.

Oil will be more expensive - BUT we will NEVER run out.

It's a great transport fuel

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Thanks JB your post illustrates brilliantly why we will go howling over the energy cliff with the cry Hooooocooo

                            ooooooddddddaa

                                                            nnnnnnoooooodddddeeeee

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....making oil from Limestone and water using Nuclear Power...

Oh for Christ's sake. Just walk us through the chemistry of this would you?

CaCo3 + H2O +energy -> what precisely? Sure as hell not hydrocarbons of any form...

I think you would be well served boning up on some basic premises of the physical sciences before making a total tit of yourself on a public forum like interest.co.nz...

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In 1914 H. G. Wells predicted ...a new age of plenty, based on the availability of cheap and unlimited energy. ...if, say, natural hydrocarbons were replaced by hydrocarbons derived from limestone, water and energy..."

It's the HG Wells bit that's the clue!

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/24239/alvin-m-weinberg/nuclear-energy

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Indeed, this being the same HG wells who proposed taking a Hot Air Ballon to the moon....

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Oh dear - here we go again.

Peak Oil is NOT ABOUT RUNNING OUT OF OIL it is  more specifically about the peak in global oil production. Note the difference.

Knock yourself out
http://www.energybulletin.net/primer.php

and if you are up for the intellectual challenge - take on Robert Rapier - go on I dare ya.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7017

I would say that your oil from nukes idea will produce about zero barrels of oil.

Look up EROEI.

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Chris Martenson's Crash Course also includes an eye-opening overview of the likely implications of scarcer, more expensive oil.

See: chaps 17a, 17b and 17c

http://www.chrismartenson.com/

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OK - Oil from Limestone ... with no net CO2 emissions  ...

Limestone + Heat  = CO2 +  CaO   

(Heat comes from a high temp nuke ie Molten Salt  Reactor that ran for some years)

CaO back to the mine where it absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere

Sabatier Reaction:  CO2 + 2H2 = CH4  ( Methane or Natural Gas )

H comes from water  + Heat ex the Nuke - well known process

Natural Gas to Oil very well known  (Synfuels / Sasol / Shell NGL )

Oil to market vis existing distribution systems

Produces CO2 when consumed to atmosphere

Cycle closed

Not yet economic - but well known technologies at each stage.

Apology please

 

 

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Gee and after all that processing how much would a litre of that syn-crude actually cost?

It would be too expensive to burn and not be produced to any great degree. Just look at existing Syn plants for scale issues.

Once again hard EROEI questions need answering, before a lab experiment can scale up to the way we are using the stuff now at a price that is 'do-able'

Technical possibility doesn't mean jack when our entire economy was built on USD$20 a barrel of crude. We haven't been there since around 1999.

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Do you realise the scale and quantity of the nuke plant needed to generate the output (even if it worked?) 100mbpd (say)....even 10 would be hard....

Or simply use the reactors to produce electricity and shove it in a battery and drive around....way easier and cheaper....

The problem is partially one of scale, a huge one of time and financing but the nasty one is the economics of it....ie even if we spent the trillions we as a modern oil based civilisation need oil significantly  less than $80USD....

The economics dont stack up to carry on doing as we do, so the only alternative is to change our lives to work with the energy we have or will have in the future...wind, tide cyclical, so work to those patterns....we have got lazy frankly to having unlimited energy on tap and cheaply....

regards

 

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I would apologise if i could see any water in the above reactions....

Now, you could produce hydrogen by reducing water to H2 + O2 (by e.g. electrolysis), but that's not a reaction between limestone and water - its a reaction between carbon dioxide and hydrogen (which doesn't occur naturally, but can be formed from water if you put enough energy in). Producing Hydrogen always has an EROEI of less than 1 - generally about 85-90% for electrolysis. Of course you can also steam-shift water over biomass or coal but then you have to get rid of all the nitrogen afterwards, or it will poison the downstream processes. Good luck with that....

To be fair EROEI is not necessarily a killer for transport fuel (you can't put a hydro dam or wind turbine in the back of your car, and nuclear cars are inadvisable). But really - why not just promote hydrogen fuel if this is the route you are suggesting? Hydrogen storage technology  is much further progressed than what you suggest here.

Reducing CO2 is also difficult and very low yield and requires stupidly high temperatures (i believe you need to get to about 3000C+ to reduce carbon dioxide - although there was a recent paper using a ruthenium based catalyst at ~100C that produced a ~1% yield over a 48 hour period) . As has been pointed out by others, the energy required is monstrous. Quite apart from the fact that the rate at which limestone will take up CO2 from the air can be measured in hundreds of years (although you might be able to accelerate that by making Ca(OH)2 solution and bubbling through that).

Frankly the ultimate solution seems more likely tobe Electric cars + Electric Rail for freight. That has an EROEI of less than 1 too, but is still way more efficient than above. Driving habits and infrastructure will have to change a little bit (although not as much as people think). Whatever it will be a lot more expensive than current petro-technologies (I've seen crude estimates of 2-5 times as much per km based on todays dollars - but trying to work out what happens to relative prices and  inflation in an oil-constricted world is nigh on impossible so that number is probably meaningless).

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Wouldn't bikes be better...with bike only zones...!

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'Tis a bloody long bike ride from Christchurch to Blenheim, Wally!

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All the better for losing the fat Crissbee!

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re 3 The Gall of Them

If history's any guide, I'd go long on guillotine supplies.  And Knitworld.

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FYI HT Andrew

This from Michael Hudson

http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson10112010.html

"Finance is the new form of warfare – without the expense of a military overhead and an occupation against unwilling hosts. It is a competition in credit creation to buy foreign resources, real estate, public and privatized infrastructure, bonds and corporate stock ownership. Who needs an army when you can obtain the usual objective (monetary wealth and asset appropriation) simply by financial means? "

"All that is required is for central banks to accept dollar credit of depreciating international value in payment for local assets. Victory promises to go to whatever economy’s banking system can create the most credit, using an army of computer keyboards to appropriate the world’s resources. The key is to persuade foreign central banks to accept this electronic credit."

cheers

Bernard

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'The key is to persuade foreign central banks to accept this electronic credit." 

And the defence is to accept it and flick it off.  Here's hoping that Bollard and Key understand this and do the right thing.

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    Yeh Bernard its good up to a point, but what happens when it really gets stupid. We get food and goods because of the Incentive to profit. For the producer to profit his puchacer has got to have the means to pay him.The real gain in international trading must exist when the players have more or less balanced output, and the profit is the fluctuations around the margins.This stimulates creativity and design and,competition, etc..what happens when,the imbalance just gets so big,and unmanagable,and the balanced system dosn't work anymore.? The game you were playing takes on a totally different mood.Globalisation has done us in.The Chaos is well past its starting point.

  Some Russian profesor had put all the existing factors in the Computer..and kept coming up with the Answer that  America would essentialy disintergrate.That is the Rich States would break off and cease to support the poor States,in a Federal sense, thats was if the present status quo played itself out.You know what I think will happen.Just type in a search.".Iran israel war diversify your investment portfolio"..and you'll get an ezine article that has interesting reading.

 

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Nikki , After Hudsons article,Heinz could be a goer?

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BANK SHOT

"Is it indelicate to say that the USA as an enterprise has its head so deeply and firmly up its ass that the all the proctologists alive on planet Earth could not extract the collective cranium from the collective cloacal chamber even with the aid of a Bucyrus-Erie 1060-WX bucket-wheel excavator? Like, where were we the past ten years? Surely not everybody in the nation was doing bong hits while playing Grand Theft Auto, or watching The Real Housewives of New Jersey, or downing tequila shots and Percocets in the parking lot of the Talladega Superspeedway, or cooking meth in the family room, or whacking it to Internet porn, or searching for "excitement" in one of America's 450 commercial gambling casinos."

http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/10/bank-shot.html

Has a way with words does Kunstler as this week he opens up on the vacuum that is the  current US Banking System.

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ooo did you read the comment from "Loanauditor"?  It beggers belief that these instruments ignored basic property law.  Just so they could bounce things back and forwards between themselves and clip the ticket every time.  If it was not so scary I'd say they might be going to get what they deserve.  There should be pitchforks in the streets over there by the end of this one.

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oopd that was meant to be posted under

"Here's Diana Olick from CNBC on foreclosure fraud.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39634568

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An excellent comment and response

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gold-surges-after-japan-says-it-consid…

Iain did you see that bit in the news about NZX and RBNZ agreeing to have competing settlement systems.  So how does what you say above relate?

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