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Thursday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: China's asset buying strategy revealed; Why the world needs a new Plaza accord; How QE II won't work; Dilbert

Thursday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: China's asset buying strategy revealed; Why the world needs a new Plaza accord; How QE II won't work; Dilbert

Here are my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 to 9pm, brought to you in association with New Zealand Mint for your reading pleasure.

I welcome your additions and comments below, or please send suggestions for Friday's Top 10 at 10 via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop any surplus suggestions I get into the comment stream.

1. China's real motivations - This piece from Stephen Goldsmith and Daniel Wagner at HuffPo about China's motivations when buying assets in other countries is fascinating and relevant when thinking about New Zealand.

The Haier deal to buy into Fisher and Paykel Appliances, the Agria deal to buy into PGG Wrightson, the UBNZ bid for Crafar  and the recent arrival in New Zealand of Sinopec, Huawei, Geely and Great Wall are all signs of China's expanding appetite for New Zealand assets, along with those of food producing and high tech assets internationally.

This is today's Must Read.

Chinese (outward foreign direct investment) OFDI is largely politically driven, aimed at achieving specific nationalistic objectives, such as securing natural resources, acquiring strategic assets in key technologies and service industries, and creating national champion companies. China's approach to OFDI -- which is often aggressive and brusque in nature -- is increasingly coloring its relationship with recipient nations at all levels of development and income. China has tailored its approach to OFDI based on the relative economic and political strength of the recipient country in exchange for specific benefits.The acquisition of strategic natural resources through investment in the primary sector abroad is at the top of the government's agenda.

Such investment is designed to provide supply and price security for China's manufacturing-based economy, whose ravenous appetite for oil, metals, construction materials, and other key commodities makes their supply a national security imperative for the government. Not surprisingly, SOEs conduct OFDI in the primary sector, where investments are dominated by a few giant firms such as Baosteel, the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC), the China National Petroleum Corporation, Sinochem, and Sinopec.

A second strategic objective is to spur investment that acquires sophisticated, proprietary technology, technical skills, industry best practices, and established brand names and distribution networks. The government hopes strategic asset acquisition can propel its chosen SOEs into industries at the top of the global value added chain, while obtaining the latest technology potentially for government use. Such investment often takes the form of M&A activity. Lenovo's purchase of IBM's computer unit and Huaneng Group's acquisition of InterGen are representative examples.  

2. 'A new Plaza accord' - Niall Ferguson has called for a new Plaza accord which allows America's currency to fall against the Chinese currency.

“The real currency war is actually between Chimerica -- China plus America -- and the rest of the world,” Ferguson said in an interview at the World Knowledge Forum in Seoul. “It would be much better to have some kind of Plaza-like international agreement and I very much hope that at the G-20 summit in Seoul next month this will be No.1 on the agenda.”

The Plaza Agreement reached in 1985 prompted a decline in the U.S. dollar against its Japanese and German counterparts. Brazilian Finance Minister Guido Mantega said last month that a “currency war” was under way, in which economies are weakening currencies to support exports.

“Currency appreciation is necessary,” Ferguson said in the interview late yesterday. “If you insist on building up a vast horde or dollar-denominated reserves you will create distortions in the world economy that will ultimately come back and bite you.” China doesn’t need a dollar peg, because its workers are making enormous gains in productivity, he said.

Because developed economies have already used “massive” deficit spending and monetary easing to overcome the economic slump, “the idea that there is some additional ammunition in the locker to be fired again is completely misconceived,” he said. The U.S. needs to come up with a plan to deal with its growing debt, Ferguson said.

“The United States is in a fiscal hole of monumental proportions and we have to get real about this,” he said. “At some point the Greek tragedy will happen to the United States if it carries on in this vein.”  

3. British house prices slumping - Britain is now on the second leg of its slump in house prices, the Daily Mail reports.

UK house prices continued their fall in September, new figures by the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) have shown. The group said that 36 per cent more surveyors reported a decline than those who saw an increase, up from 32 per cent in August, as the market experienced an influx of properties nationally and especially in London.

The balance of surveyors reporting an increase in new instructions almost doubled in the period to 22 per cent, with RICS attributing the increase to homeowners testing the water ahead of the government's spending cut announcement or trying to offload their property before the economy falters even more.

4.Why QE II won't work - Karen Maley at BusinessSpectator cites research from Hoisington Investment Management that US Federal Reserve's imminent new sweaty wodge of freshly minted cash is unlikely to fix the US economy. It may even make it worse. Here's the logic.

As a result of QE1, banks hold close to $1 trillion in reserves. But the banks don’t want to lend these reserves either because they don’t want to put additional capital at risk because their balance sheets are already too shaky, or because they face large write-offs on problem loans, particularly in commercial and residential property.

Another reason may be that the banks don't believe their customers have the capacity to take on additional debt. Similarly, non-bank corporations are sitting on massive cash reserves. For the past six months, liquid assets have accounted for 7 per cent of total assets, the highest level since 1963. But, the authors note, companies have clearly decided there aren’t too many compelling uses for these funds, and they may also be using the case to hedge against risks.

“The fact that substantial bank and corporate funds remain idle is a strong signal that US economic problems exist outside the monetary sphere.” So what will be the impact of QE2?

The authors point out that the most likely outcome is that it fails to boost economic activity: “It should be clear that QE2 and the purchases of additional assets by the Fed will, like previous purchases in QE1, serve only to bloat excess reserves without advancing income, spending, or jobs.”

They argue that the only way that QE2 will work is if succeeds in triggering a new cycle of borrowing and lending, which would result in even more Ponzi-style debt being piled onto an already overleveraged economy. A further increase in debt levels will ultimately lead to economic deterioration, an increase in systemic risk, as well as possible deflation. “Therefore, at best QE2 can be nothing more than a short-term panacea, exacerbating the serious structural problems facing the United States.”  

5. How countries circle their wagons in a world of currency wars - Frank Aquila argues at Bloomberg that America should offer a tax holiday for US companies with money stashed overseas.

He reckons this would unleash a rush of cash into the US economy, boosting growth and jobs. Countries are now looking at how to preserve and corral their own cash behind their own borders.

A tax holiday on returning overseas cash isn’t without precedent. In 2004, the Homeland Investment Act reduced the tax rate on these profits to 5.25 percent from 35 percent. Granted a lower tax rate, U.S. corporations responded by shipping back an estimated $315 billion in 2004.

Critics of any reduction in taxes on repatriated overseas profits, even a temporary one, argue that to do so would be rewarding companies for outsourcing U.S. jobs. Not surprisingly, labor unions and their allies are the leading opponents of a tax holiday. In their view, overseas profits should be subject to U.S. tax even if those profits are never repatriated.

6. This could get ugly - First we had Bretton Woods, the 1944 agreement that made the US dollar the world's reserve currency. Then we had Bretton Woods 2, the informal deal where China and oil producing nations produced export surpluses and lent the resulting capital reserves back to America, who then used the money to buy the oil and Chinese-made stuff.

That was all fine until the Americans had built up such a debt that they couldn't service it any more.

So what happens now? What will replace Bretton Woods 2 when it collapses?

Here's Tim Duy, a renowned Fed Watcher.

The time may finally be at hand when the imbalances created by Bretton Woods 2 now tear the system asunder. The collapse is coming via an unexpected channel; rather than originating from abroad, the shock that sets it in motion comes from the inside, a blast of stimulus from the US Federal Reserve. And at the moment, the collapse looks likely to turn disorderly quickly.

If the Federal Reserve is committed to quantitative easing, there is no way for the rest of the world to stop to flow of dollars that is already emanating from the US. Yet much of the world does not want to accept the inevitable, and there appears to be no agreement on what comes next. Call me pessimistic, but right now I don't see how this situation gets anything but more ugly.

7. And then what? - David Llewellyn-Smith writes about what the end of Bretton Woods 2 might mean for this part of the world and the Australian banks in particular.

1. Gold is going to the moon. Perhaps far more quickly than even this blogger imagined. Even if the Fed is, in effect, going to break all currency pegs to the dollar, all of those surpluses aren't going to disappear overnight. The reserves are going to have to go somewhere. And gold looks the likely winner.

2. There is a danger for developed markets outside of the US that the great global rebalancing will begin to raise interest rates. If emerging markets are forced to rebalance then in time ipso facto there will be less capital to export. This could prove a major danger to the Australian banks and, if they don't handle it well, the housing market.

3. That may be offset to a degree by the Michael Pettis scenario outlined in Unpleasant Scenarios a few days ago, which is looking increasingly likely. That is, if the Fed is going to break the currency pegs and destabilise emerging markets export-driven growth, they will face a choice: Growing job losses, or stimulate by easing monetary policy. The latter looks far more likely so we're going to have a world awash with fiat money. Inflation and asset bubbles look a good bet for emerging markets with commodities the likely winner.

8. Rent is v.cheap in Dubai - What happens after a bubble? Rents fall. Here's Bloomberg on what's happening in Dubai, where office property vacancy rates are around 40%.

Some Dubai office buildings are so ill-conceived and poorly located that they will never be occupied, while others may command no more than the cost of maintenance, according to CB Richard Ellis Group Inc. “Some buildings will be permanently vacant and will never be let because they are wrongly located, they are of poor quality or have the wrong legal structure in place,” Nicholas Maclean, Middle East managing director for the U.S. property broker said in an interview.  

9. Totally relevant video - The boys at South Park look at the problems with banking in the United States. Now you see it. Now you don't.

10. Totally relevant video - This video is slightly disturbing, moving and funny all at the same time. It's a video of a homeless man in the United States lip-synching to the song 'Under Pressure' with a couple of Kermit the Frog puppets.

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Martin Wolf at FT.com is a must read again on the Currency Wars http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fe45eeb2-d644-11df-81f0-00144feabdc0.html

We can consider this rebalancing on two dimensions. First, the erstwhile high-spending, high-deficit advanced countries need to de-leverage their private sectors on the journey to what Mohamed El-Erian of Pimco, the investment company, called “the new normal”, in his Per Jacobsson lecture. Second, the real exchange rates of economies with robust external positions, strong investment opportunities, or both, need to appreciate, while expansion of domestic demand offsets the consequent drag from net exports.

Aggressive monetary policy by reserve-issuing advanced countries, particularly the US, is an element in both processes. The cries of pain now heard around the world, as markets push currencies up against the dollar, partly reflect the uneven impact of US policy. Still more, they reflect the stubborn unwillingness to accept the needed changes, with each capital recipient trying to deflect the unwanted adjustment elsewhere.

To put it crudely, the US wants to inflate the rest of the world, while the latter is trying to deflate the US. The US must win, since it has infinite ammunition: there is no limit to the dollars the Federal Reserve can create. What needs to be discussed is the terms of the world’s surrender: the needed changes in nominal exchange rates and domestic policies around the world.

Recipients of the capital inflow, be they advanced or emerging countries, face uncomfortable choices: let the exchange rate appreciate, so impairing external competitiveness; intervene in currency markets, so accumulating unwanted dollars, threatening domestic monetary stability and impairing external competitiveness; or curb the capital inflow, via taxes and controls. Historically, governments have chosen combinations of all three. That will be the case this time, too.

 The US is seeking to impose its will, via the printing press. The US is going to win this war, one way or the other: it will either inflate the rest of the world or force their nominal exchange rates up against the dollar. Unfortunately, the impact will also be higgledy piggledy, with the less protected economies (such as Brazil or South Africa) forced to adjust and others, protected by exchange controls (such as China), able to manage the adjustment better.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fe45eeb2-d644-11df-81f0-00144feabdc0.html

cheers

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Here's Rortybomb on the Fraudclosure crisis.

This is arguing that the sale of the mortgage, the “true sale”, never happened. So in addition to the uncertainty and delayed processes from the current fraud, we now have a small percent chance that we could see a Lehman Brothers style weekend.   Tail risk being generated weeks before a very rough midterm election.  Oh boy.

http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/more-systemic-risk-worries/

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And here's Felix Salmon on why there is a growing risk of a systemic crisis in America's banking system...

Mortgage-bond documentation generally says that if more than a minuscule proportion of notes in a mortgage pool weren’t properly transferred, then the trustee for the bondholders can force the investment bank who put the deal together to repurchase the mortgages. And it’s looking very much as though none of the notes were properly transferred.

But that’s not even the biggest potential problem facing the investment banks who put these deals together. It also turns out that there’s a pretty strong case that they lied to the investors in many if not most of these deals.

 It’s going to be a very long time, I think, before the banking system is going to be free and clear of the nightmare it created during the boom.

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/10/13/the-enormous-mortgage-bond-scandal/

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Jesse's Cafe on the coming QE II

Anglo-American financiers to the Rest of World: We've a Gun to Our Heads, Better Surrender.

"To put it crudely, the US wants to inflate the rest of the world, while the latter is trying to deflate the US.The US must win, since it has infinite ammunition: there is no limit to the dollars the Federal Reserve can create. What needs to be discussed is the terms of the world’s surrender: the needed changes in nominal exchange rates and domestic policies around the world."

Destroy the world economy by trashing the global reserve currency? Yes we can.

I hate to make light of this because it does offer a useful vignette of the deployment of opposing lines and basic strategies in the currency war, at least from one perspective. Several years ago I forecast that the Bankers would make the world an 'offer they cannot refuse,' or at least that the Bankers think that they cannot refuse. Hank Paulson made such an offer to the US Congress, and now it appears that the financiers are extending a similar type of offer to the rest of the world.

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2010/10/financial-times-martin-wolf-offers.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+JessesCafeAmericain+(Jesse's+Caf%C3%A9+Am%C3%A9ricain)&utm_content=Google+Reader

cheers

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To put it crudely.....? I think plainly is what  you were groping for.

Just how many posts have I  made in the last year saying this is where it was going....uh duh...and once again proof that the human condition dictates economics not the other way round...

Maybe that's why I'm starting to see you as a little slow on the uptake.........or maybe you don't read as many posts as I thought....

The  trick is to see it far enough out to ....try....to seek a position of advantage......lucky not too many investors read here to look for ..............NEWS........... that may yield advantage or shelter because it's usually pouring before .....you're........... talking  umbrellas.

Disclaimer.......I have no link to support that statement.

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It must get to a stage where sellers wont accept US$. You want my oil I want Aussie $'s,the yanks go to swap US$ for Aussie$ but the Aussies dont trust the US govt so they get security on an aircraft carrier or such. Just me thinking out loud.

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I wish..........

Maybe settle for food for oil....Hey Saudi, you give us oil, get lamb, milk, wheat in return....sounds fair.

regards

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I remember when we swapped butter for a Lada or two.  

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Fonterra is selling butter again in to the Ukraine after a 10year hiatus.  Now what do they have that we could want to barter our butter for??????

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I remember the Dairy Board swapped Butter for Trains. When the trains unloaded in Wellington the first one was wedged into the first tunnell out of town for being too tall.

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 A large can opener would fix that. Im trying to think what we could swap with the Ukraine, Girls come to mind some sort of swap would be best. My friends in the Ukraine always say that they should swap the men in the Ukraine with the men in Spain and it would then be an even match.

 Nuke's they have a few, then we could negotiate a better trade deal with Aust.

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Satyajit Das on a bunch of crisis books. He's always worth a read.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/10/satyajit-das-pleasant-unpleasant-truths.html

cheers

Bernard

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Here's Steve Keen on another idea for financing housing

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/property-loan-debt-income-bubble-housing-leverage-pd20101011-A52A6?OpenDocument&src=sph

If we instead based the level of debt on the income-generating capacity of the property being purchased, rather than on the income of the buyer, then we would forge a link between asset prices and incomes that is currently easily punctured by rising debt. It would still be possible – indeed necessary – to buy a property for more than ten times its annual rental. But then the excess of the price over the loan would be genuinely the savings of the buyer, and an increase in the price of a house would mean a fall in leverage, rather than an increase in leverage as now. There would be a negative feedback loop between house prices and leverage. That hopefully would stop house price bubbles developing in the first place, and take dwellings out of the realm of speculation back into the realm of housing, where they belong.

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Bernard - good find. If you drill that link, look at Keen's earlier article:

'Curing the credit cancer' 

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/debt-credit-monetary-system-stocks-property-pd20101004-9W8HX?OpenDocument#Scene_1 Also very interesting. "Bankers especially might not like this analogy, but it's apt: banks are effectively debt pushers, and trying to control bank lending at the source is like trying to control the spread of illegal drugs by directly controlling the drug pushers. If there are drug users who want the drugs, then there'll be a profit to be made by selling drugs, and drug pushers will always find ways around direct controls. So if you want to stop the spread of drugs, it's far more effective – if it's at all possible – to reduce the desirability of the drugs to end-users." [and he goes on to explain his very useful ideas.] Keen's comment on the AMI's proposal to end fractional reserve banking: "The proposal itself is functional. It would convert our current banks into institutions like building societies, which when they lend money to a borrower, have to decrement an account they hold at a bank so that no new money is created by the loan. Under the AMI's plan, banks would have accounts with the federal government (the Federal Reserve, which is currently privately-owned, would be incorporated into the US Treasury), and could only lend what was in those accounts. Money creation would then be exclusively the province of the government via deficit spending. And in the UK, more of the same: 'Douglas Carswell's UK banking reform bill, first reading (2010-09-15)' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGr-OuXihg Some are calling him a latter day Wilberforce, maybe, but methinks more like a latter day David given what he's going up against. If only our Tories had the balls. Cheers, Les. www.mea.org.nz
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LOL South Park do it again.

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Bernard , Regarding Octobers on the share and capital markets ,  I wonder how many people feel uncomfortable about the Share and Bond market right now  . What is disconcerting is that you dont know what to read from current trends . 

We know from a textbook economics viewpoint every action has a reaction. We try to understand cause and effect . The problem right now is that markets are behaving somewhat irrationally . On unchanged and poor fundamentals Stockmarkets from Sydney to  Johannesburg and Mumbai have reached three year highs . Euro denominated bond yields have an unsustainable spread with massive arbitrage opportunities ( not for the faint hearted )   The US housing market collapsed three years ago yet Wall street continues to climb . World currencies are in chaos . Views on likely outcomes of currency manipulation  are so divergent , that  we are not going to get consensus . The last time gold got this high , was when the US was in the Jimmy Carter-era  recession 

When I dont understand something and it makes no sense I tend to walk away . What I dont want to believe is the parallels between now and October 1929 and October 1987 . There are too many similarities for comfort  .

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1 - Get over it.

The Japanese did this to our Tourist, Fishing, Forestry and to a small degree Meat Industry no body cared. If I recall they invaded the pacific a few years back.

What threat does Chinese investment in NZ pose?

If you buy a company sure you can rape it for its Intellectual Property and Transfer Price the profits aware.

Why does it matter about the origin all of a sudden?

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What threat does Chinese investment in NZ pose?

Where do I start Goldie? China is a fascist state that is committed to world domination. They are obsessive racists, serial polluters and over-exploiters of natural and human resources. When you acquire ownership you acquire power and, thanks in part to our foolish free trade agreement, very difficult to resist.

Notice the sickening acquiescence from our gutless leadership  towards China?

Observe increasing Chinese influence and control over our pacific neighbours. This is not about access to resources, they can be readily bought on the open market. This is a neo colonial drive that is all about ownership and control. Ignore it at your peril.

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Nothing to disagree with there Kiwidave. A small observation - on a recent trip to Tonga we could not help noticing that the Chinese had spent a large amount of money building a substantial consulate which seems to dwarf those of other nations. Odd you might think given that there are very few Chinese in Tonga - less odd when you consider that Tonga has (blissfully) 'undeveloped' marine resources just waiting to be signed away by a corrupt Royal family eager to line their pockets. Throughout the Pacific I hear similar stories. It is of course a re-run in minature of what the Chinese have been doing in Africa - google southern Sudan/ China to see the story of Chinese 'investment' in that continent.

It would take the resources of an entire second planet to lift the entire Chinese population into 'middle class nirvana'. There isn't of course a second planet available - what follows on from that should be obvious to all but the most blinkered.

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..a small oberservation, but an important one - well said andyh.

The West is not only losing the currency, the trade, but also the political war.

Unless the West isn’t more productive, but increasingly more depended on Asia, how on earth can we improve the imbalance ?

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At least they are not using guns and cannons like we did in the days before the sun set on the British empire. It's a little more refined I'ld say.  However both we and the Chinese pale in comparison to the Wall St bankers.

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Well not yet at least, give em a chance, mind you now days there are things called nuclear bombs.

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Billy - take a look at the expansion of the Chinese navy that is going on at the moment

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/china-plans-major-navy-expansion-…

As resources become increasingly scarce economic wars tend to morph into rather more physical conflicts.

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Goldenfox, I think most people aren’t adverse to a bit of overseas investment, especially when it comes to helping create new products or industries, and creates NEW jobs.

But when it’s just wholesale bulk buying of raw land, which if anything would probably reduce NZ jobs at least.
Like the attempts we are starting to see which is mostly driven from a communist government, that openly flouts world trade rules, and with the biggest cash reserves ever built up, then if you aren’t worried now you never will be, or are probably just too blind or ignorant to care.

In saying that, I’m pretty against people from other countries doing the same thing, but they don’t seem to be on the same scale.
Although I find it very disturbing that the US government is trying to influence our government around this issue, trying to say we can’t have any restrictions at all, another typically hypocritical statement from the US.

This is another cause for extreme concern, and actually makes me quite happy that we have that guy that has set up save the farms.
The amazing thing he is the one being criticized by Kiwis, and the not the massive Chinese and US governments he is up against that are blatantly trying to our influence our sovereign government to make it’s own policy, just bizarre.

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I love the South Park....frighteningly apt....

Of course it couldnt happen here.....oh wait isnt that what ANZ / ING did....?

When I look at whats happening in America I get the impression that now the veil of profit has disappeared they seem as corrupt as Greece....or China...

 

regards

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Is China the proverbial red herring to divert attention away from the root cause of the current economic problems - THE BANKS ?  What is the common denominator in the GFC, Foreclosuregate, freddie/fannie, PIGS, QE1/QE2?

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Ha Ha Ha another round of China bashing from sore loosers...

1. Is it wrong for a country and it's people to work hard (for a pittance i may add) to produce good wanted by another country's people?? remember this is FREE Trade...nobody force those countries to buy Chinese goods

2. Is it wrong then for these same poor people to save whatever they could from their earnings to prepare for theirs and their children's future?? (Unlike some countries the Chinese don't have Goverment paid pensions aka Super/ social Sec etc etc.

3. It is wrong for a country to save it's foreign exchange earnings earned form the hard work of it's population and then invest this savings in foreign Goverment bonds. Please note because the hard working Chinese do not want to spend their hard earn money but rather save it for the future, and because their earnings is in foreign currencies that they cannot use in their own country they have to exchange it with their country's central bank. Their central bank then has no choice but to invest those foreign currencies in the country of origin...ie US, EU etc etc

4. Now after only 2 decades of such hard work and savings and investment the country that benefited from the Chinese hard work and frugal spending is saying it's all the Hard working and frugal Chinese workers fault for being Hard Working and Frugal !!

5. Imagine a customer coming into your restaurant and after eating a good and sumptious meal refuses to pay and even accuse you that it's all your fault the he owed you a big bill because you are such a good cook !!!

6. China's investment overseas is no different from other countries investment oversea. Every country has a right to seek security of resources for it's own country's food and production capability....The US and EU countries has been doing it for centuries...at least as Billy remarked the Chinese  did not use guns and bombs.

As to the classic red herring about China's political system...I am no supporter of china's communist rule but the western countries esp the US are no different in their method (what about US support for Middle East dictators?) but at least the Chinese don't go about preaching democracy and human rights while all along abusing it once your back is turned ?? 

Get a life ...start accepting the fact that western countries had overspend and undersave and underwork the past few decades and rebuilt your work ethics....you have a choice of being Grasshoppers or Ants...nobody can force you (not even the Chinese) to be a spendthrift if you are not inclines to be one in the first place. 

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Unfortunately Kin none of your arguements about what other nations have and haven't done (which of course have elements of truth to them) alter the facts.

1. China has a massive population, with a rapidly growing middle class.

2. Its economic model (mercantalism) depends on its industry sucking up huge amounts of raw materials (many of which are increasingly short supply) from around the globe, which it then turns into goods for export.

3.China has realised its own resource base is being rapidly denuded and so it is aggressively (and sensibly, if your Chinese) attempting to obtain the rights to said resources in overseas territories.

4. Given its size and growing political clout and given the ever declining availability of such resources it would be astonishing if China did not subsequently seek to use increasingly aggressive means to obtain them.

The Chinese would no doubt claim (with some justification) that they are just acting in their own national interest - just as a host of nations have done in the past. You could substitute "China' at moments in the past for 'Great Britain',  'the US',, etc etc.

However that in no way helps us in the here and now - using the past excesses of other nations to provide justification for aggressive actions today (particularly if we in NZ might be at the sharp end of such actions), is frankly an apologists' arguement.

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Fully agree Andy.

This is totally about defending what we have from foreign ownership, control and protecting, in the end, our sovereignty.   I believe our government are being extremely naive if they believe we can have a high level of overseas ownership of our infrastructure, businesses, resources and land while maintaining genuine independance. Recent sickening examples of Government groveling prove the point.

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Andy and kiwidave,

Based on your logic, it seems that just because China has a big population, the Chinese people therefore cannot or do not deserve to have a standard of living on par or better than their peers in the west?? What about India which has almost the same population ? Do they too not deserve a better live through hard work and careful living ?

If your grouse is about China buying up resources from all over the world to provide jobs for it's citizen please note that all these resources actually landed up in western countries in the final stage. All these just to pander to the western world's hedonistic fancy from flash clothes to ipods. In total the Chinese labourer makes barely enough to live a comfortable living akin to the west. Talking about ingrates !! What about Japan ? It imports almost everything needed for it's export too....are they wrong to utilise their labour and technology for it's citizen's benefit ?? Or are non western countries only meant to be resource exporter with no hope of advancement up the technology ladder ? Not every country want to be like middle eastern Arabs only exporting their resources to feed westerner insatiable need for energy.

It boggles my mind that west seems to think that China and the other non western countries deserve only to be their servants and serfs.

Nobody is taking away your "sovereignty". Business investment to secure resources is just another business especially if they pay overvalued prices for it. The only defence western countries need is defending themselves from their own failed leaders leading them into a life of Grasshoppers and final ruin.

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Kin - I suggest you acquaint yourself urgently with the subject of resource depletion. That is the essential issue here - and indeed the Chinese authorities are fully aware of it. Please dont put words into my mouth about wanting the Chinese to remain serfs. Want I may or may not want is irrelevant to the issue - there simply are not the resources available to lift the entire Chinese population (or even a sizeable part of it) into middle class lifestyles - or for that matter the Indians, the Cambodians, the Vietnamese or any of a dozen other nations. Its a simple fact of life. That will not stop the Chinese authorities trying to obtain these resources (they have to, otherwise they will face civil disorder at home, as they have raised the expectations of the populace). Its in the obtaining of those resources that the conflict will lie and New Zealanders urgently need to wake up to the fact that they desperately need to be protected in the age of global resource depletion.

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Yes - of course work hard, manufacturing high quality products. But how does that work here in beautiful NZ with a calculator mentality/ culture - thousands of people sitting in their offices, selling houses to each other or dealing with goods imported from overseas countries ? It just bad business, isn’t ? How much NZ$ 250’ 000’000.- a week – great ! Sorry folks we aren’t productive enough !!!!!!!!

The majority of Kiwis are not going to university, aren’t doctors, lawyers, scientists etc. Why does New Zealand not produce more of their infrastructure needs. With the support of the government awarding such contracts to NZ companies and not to foreigners would secure full employment and youths would have a better prospect for apprenticeships. It would also lift skill and therefore important - wages. What about foreign dependency and national security ? What about the national supply increase on widgets for exporters and other companies ? What about the attraction with people with entrepreneurial skill starting up their own business ? What about science having more access to resources ?  What about adding a functional sustainable manufacturing sector in order to get rid of bubble scenarios coming from other sectors? What about having a variety of solid, long lasting industry sectors ? The list of positive impacts on our economy, as I explained many times, is almost endless.

New Zealand – please replace the "Calculator Mentality" hurting Kiwis with a manufacturing mentality or live within the means - stop spending and live a modest “Takaka life-style” without more roads, broadband, power use, shopping malls, etc. – powerdownkiwi

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Some food for thoughts: "Acceleration In Autumn"

http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=812

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Fine link Gertraud - You and I could be one of the authors - hmm!

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@Kunst

I don't know about you, but   I ? ..........NEVER  would I be able to write anything like this.

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Gertraud, often women make more sense then many of us - stupid males.

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