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Monday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Australian milk price war; Buffett upbeat; Faber sees hyper-stagflationary collapse; NAB's breakup campaign; 'Sell now to fleeing Cantabrians'; Dilbert

Monday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Australian milk price war; Buffett upbeat; Faber sees hyper-stagflationary collapse; NAB's breakup campaign; 'Sell now to fleeing Cantabrians'; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 past 12pm in association with NZ Mint.

The cartoons are back in earnest. We must take our pleasure where we can find it.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz .

1. Australian milk price war - Coles Myer has launched a price war on milk in Australia.

I wish we had one here. It's causing all sorts of strife in the retailing scene.

'Foreign multinationals' are being told they need to accept lower profit margins, although, curiously, Fonterra is not named.

Here's the Sydney Morning Herald's Phillip Coorey with the political fallout, because everything eventually gets political in Australia.

We could do with a third supermarket operator here.

Dear Aldi: please come to New Zealand.

As the milk price war rages, executives from Woolworths have met the National Farmers Federation in Canberra and both parties agreed that as the price cuts are likely to be permanent, either the processors of the dairy farmers will eventually have to absorb the cost cuts.

Coles has forced Woolworths and other rivals into a price war by dropping milk prices to A$1 a litre, almost half the cost of brand milk.

Industry sources estimate that Coles is absorbing losses of between $300,000 and $400,000 a week to sell the milk. Liberal MPs, the National Party, the Greens, and independents in both houses are angered by the price war. They say the price cuts will eventually be passed on to dairy farmers already operating on slender profit margins and drive them off the land.  

2. Watch out for Europe - Jeremy Gaunt from Reuters points out that Libya is not the only concern on global financial markets right now. The European debt crisis is coming to a head again.

Although nowhere near their peaks of last year, euro zone peripheral yield spreads over German debt have widened in February. Italy has swelled by about 50 basis points and Spain 40 basis points. Significantly, Portuguese five- and 10-year yields remain above 7 percent, levels which previously forced bailouts in Greece and Ireland.

This suggests that a series of debt auctions in the week ahead will be closely watched for what they say about confidence in Europe's finances. Belgium, which has come under some pressure, auctions 2014, 2018 and 2021 bonds on Monday. Spain, one of the potential hotspots, will auction five-year bonds on Thursday, and investors will be particularly watching a Portuguese buy-back on Wednesday for signs of a fire sale.

3. Buffet upbeat - Warren Buffett has released his widely-anticipated annual letter to shareholders where he has said the doom merchants like me were wrong and he's got itchy fingers to spend his cash pile. Here's the WSJ with reaction.

The most interesting aspect for me was that Buffett was bragging about capital spending. For ardent Buffett followers, this was probably a bit of a shock since throughout Berkshire’s early days, high capital spending, specifically in the textile holdings, significantly decreased Berkshire’s returns.

The difference now is two-fold: Today’s high capital spending is in the railroad industry where Buffett expects outsized returns, and in utilities. Secondly, Berkshire is so large that the universe of potential investments has shrunk. Berkshire’s low cost of capital is a significant advantage in capital intensive industries. The challenge for Buffett and his successors is to find more companies like Burlington Northern, and fewer textile mills.

4. 'I think we're all doomed' - Marc Faber, the investor who writes the Gloom, Doom and Boom report, has sketched out the gloomiest scenario yet. Read it and weep.

“I think we are all doomed. I think what will happen is that we are in the midst of a kind of a crack-up boom that is not sustainable, that eventually the economy will deteriorate, that there will be more money-printing, and then you have inflation, and a poor economy, an extreme form of stagflation, and, eventually, in that situation, countries go to war, and, as a whole, derivatives, the market, and everything will collapse, and like a computer when it crashes, you will have to reboot it.” 

5. Worth watching - National Australia Bank (under former BNZ boss Cameron Clyne) has launched a big drive to poach by customers from the other big 3 banks. It's calling it the "Break Up" campaign. It's launched a website and everything.

NAB is offering to pay A$700 towards the early exit fee for CBA and Westpac customers switching to NAB.

Here's the fallout as reported in the Australian.

And here's the video on Youtube.

6. The bite is on - BBC reports Britain's fourth quarter GDP fell 0.6%.

And the swingeing budget cuts have yet to take effect.

And the Bank of England is preparing to raise interest rates to fight off inflation. The British outlook is just plain ugly.

This is what happens when you transfer private debt to the public balance sheet and then cut public services to pay for it.

The public backlash will follow, as we're seeing with the UKUncut movement.

7. 'Sell now to fleeing Cantabrians!' - A less than subtle real estate agent from Boulgaris Realty, James Doole, sent a letter to homeowners in Remuera and St Heliers over the weekend telling them Cantabrians, Brisbanites and Indians were keen to buy property in Auckland's eastern suburbs (as they fled floods and earthquakes and poverty).

Sellers should sell now because interest rates were low and there was plenty of interest from buyers in the wake of the quake and the floods... HT Ana Samways via Twitter.

"Certainly not wanting to capitalise on the Canterbury Earthquake and naturally my thoughts are with everyone affected by this disaster; however the purpose of my letter is to inform you of the overwhelming enquiry our office has received from families on the move to the Eastern Suburbs seeking a better lifestyle. Enquiry has been generated from these three specific locations: Brisbane, Canterbury and India.

"Family are requesting property in Remuera and across to St Heliers, generally in preferred pre-schooling locations. This has sparked new life into our market and long may it last. Mortgage interest rates are at favourable and tempting levels for buyers and sold signs are visible as we drive about.

"The quarterly sales statistics will be out soon and I will keep you posted on trends and sales in your immediate neighbourhood. I won't say the obvious..."

Please don't James. It's obvious to us all what you're interested in.

8. Watch this too - Hardly anyone has noticed this in New Zealand...yet. China's Prime Minister Wen Jiabao has gone onto an online forum to announce China has lowered its growth target from 8% to 7%, BBC reported.

He also stressed the need for social harmony and said any growth must be sustainable and fair. He was also very worried about containing inflation.

The tone is interesting. Reading between the lines, it seems the Chinese leadership are very worried about social unrest in the wake of inflation.

Mr Wen said the growth rate change would "raise the quality and efficiency of economic growth" and conceded that one factor was the impact on the environment.

"We absolutely must not any longer sacrifice the environment for the sake of rapid growth and reckless roll-outs," said Mr Wen. "That will lead to production capacity gluts and deepening pressure on the environment and resources so that economic development will be unsustainable."

He said the purpose of economic development was "to meet the people's growing material and cultural needs, and make the lives of commoners better and better."

Maintaining social stability was also central to the country's foreign exchange policy, said Mr Wen, requiring a step-by-step increase in yuan flexibility so that Chinese businesses could adapt to the change.

9. And this as well - Also worth watching in America is the reaction to the reaction.

The Tea Party movement spawned a bunch of Republican-dominated governments that want to slash budget deficits by cutting the size of government.

They were quickly subverted by large corporate interests intent on reducing taxes for the rich and for companies, and to castrate what is left of the union movement. The focal point for this debate in America is in Wisconsin. A Republican governor there is trying to pass a law stripping rights from public sector unions.

This seems to have mobilised the left. The biggest protest march since the Vietnam War was held in Wisconsin over the weekend. Here's the background from Reuters.

What began two weeks ago as a Republican effort in one small U.S. state to balance the budget has turned into a confrontation with unions that could be the biggest since then President Ronald Reagan fired striking air traffic controllers nearly 30 years ago. Republicans still must push the measure through the state Senate, which has been unable to muster a quorum for a vote because of a Democratic boycott.

If the plan is approved in Wisconsin, a number of other states where Republicans swept to victory in the 2010 elections could follow. Already, other legislatures including Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Idaho, Tennessee, and Kansas are working on union curbs. Unlike previous protests, the rally on Saturday brought out thousands of union workers not directly affected by the bill, including the state's firefighters, exempted along with police from the Republican proposal.

Dozens of private sector unions were represented as well at the event.

10. Totally relevant video - Nouriel Roubini and Ian Bremner explain the 'Fiscal Trainwreck' facing America on CNBC They also talk about a G Zero world where the G20 has given up trying to lead the world.

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Marc Faber's got it right.  $ in the bank may soon be worthless.  Accumulate stuff that can't be manufactured or printed.

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And do what with it? Eat it? At some stage, whatever 'stuff' you have you'll have to swap it for food. And to do that you'll need an intermediary, like..."$ in the bank"- cash. Those with it ,will be able to buy food; those without it will have to eat their 'stuff'. In the mean time exploding interest rates will handsomly reward "$ in the bank" and penalise any holding debt.

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Snarlypuss - if we get rampant inflation a smidgeon of real gold worth $2 today is going to buy a lot more petrol than the $2 in your bank today.  $2 worth of gold today might buy 2 litres soon.  Whereas $2 in the bank might soon only buy half a litre.  As you said, we still have to eat...but I reckon a better way to make sure you can afford to eat in the future is to buy real stuff with the fake stuff you have in your pocket.  Before you go to the supermarket swap a little bit of the real stuff for the fake stuff and then swap that for you food..or petrol etc.  Gold is real money.  Paper money is history.

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What % of the global private population own gold, FYI? 1%? Whatever small % it is, if we get that 'rampant inflation' forget about being pleased that you own gold. It will be worthless! That's the 'war' bit ,Faber is on about. It won't matter what you have; the hungry, the "99%" will just take it from you. ( Have you noted the looters in civilised Chch? That sort of carry on) Oh! And you realise that of the small% that own gold, much of it, most of it, in private hands is in what form? Jewellery, right? So try this. Go and buy a 24k piece of jewellery from Michael Hill's that afternoon ( they'll have the real stuff out back, not the 10k stuff on the shelf!) and then go across to the Gold Buyers booth in the same mall, and see what the re-exchange difference is. You'll lose about 60%, straight off. That's the holding; manufacturing, retail costs etc. So anyone owning jewellery as an inflation safeguard has to see their 'stuff' triple, before it breaks even. In the mean time a tripling of gold prices will see interest rates do the same? Whatever they do, you'll be way ahead of holding gold in jewellery form as an investment. Bullion? Not too far removed when all the buy/sell costs are factored in.

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Only a fool would sell their gold to one of those shops in the mall. I think they pay about 20% of the current spot price. Do your homework. I paid 2% above spot for physical bullion and the same dealer will buy it back at spot.

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where do you buy your bullion from?

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buy back at spot  + another 2% or 1% or what?

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"IF"

Balance this against deflation/depression and the price of Gold starts to look over-valued...you could lose substantially.

From what I can read and understand inflation and hyper-inflation exist on the other side of a depression/recession (and we are going in not coming out) ....when we see the state of to few goods v to much money....right now this isnt the case. Some goods are going up in price, others are not.....so the CPI can be misleading.....core inflation is a better gauge and that is considerably different.

 

regards

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You can't eat paper either (or 1s and 0s).  You surely can print a sh*t load of it though.

Silver and Gold arn't doing to bad at the moment compared to interest rates.

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Do the comparison over say 30 years. The last time we had an 'Buy Gold! It's your only road to financial survival" was about 1980, when it got to about US$800. Today it's about $1400. So anyone who bought gold back then, backed the wrong horse, as it's holding costs hve defeated them. In the meantime there have been good trades to be done, especially when it hit $325. But that's all it is! A trade. Buy and sell it to make money, by all means. But it's not a long term protection against very much at all. Oh! And don't get caught with the 'stuff' if it does reverse. It's a mongrel to convince yourself that the trend had broken.

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Not too mention the fact that governments can pull the gold rug out from under you at anytime like they did in the US post 1927. They made having gold/silver and using it as currency illegal going against their own constitution and any government can do it again anytime

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very true.....however they need to find it....and just how many ppl can they put in jail?

regards

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In desperate times governments take desperate measures as we all know.

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Having basic survival 'knowledge" is more important than assets. I think many now realize this

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Re #8 - good article from Paul Tudor Jones on RMB undervaluation.

http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2011/02/paultudorjonestowardequili…

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It seems some landlords in Christchurch are playing hardball with tenants who have fled the quake-struck city.

Property investor Nigel Lundy said some renters "just want to pack up their luggage and leave the property owner with the mess. They just want to walk out.

"[Some] are treating the earthquake like an excuse to avoid their responsibilities."

Mr Lundy manages 160 tenancies through his firm Metro Advances and yesterday initially told the Herald he would not allow any renters to break their contracts if their home was still habitable.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10709221

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Screw the landlords! Let's see how many have the cash to go to court?

On a side note: I know of a family who's home got destroyed in CHCH and has moved into a rent in Nelson for now. The landlord would not allow them to have their two cats in the property! Talk about scum, after all they have been through assholes still make demands like that of people in desperate need! The cats are now at the Nelson SPCA

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If the property is fit to live in, what should the landlord suffer loss? NZ is a known earthquake risk....the tenant have to be aware of that... If its damaged and not fit to live in, that is totally different, I cant see how the contract can be fullfiled by the Landlord...

regards

 

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They stated steve that "even no water and power is not reason enough" so sure...go live in one

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Oh and I for one am higly alergic to cats....so no cats in any property I own...

besides that its a fair condition anyway, its simple if the Landlord has stated before hand no cats....its no cats.

regards

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Sure, it's within their rights as property owner, but still to put even more conditions and stress on a family who feel they have lost everything I thought was rather heartless. People do far more damage than cats to rentals

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"Screw the landlords! Let's see how many have the cash to go to court?"

It doesn't go to court. Handled by the Tenancy Tribunal and costs $20. The RTA is a very user-friendly piece of legislation and most cases are sorted at the mediation stage.

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So ........why would a tenant care about such real estate agent threats if all you lose is your 'bond'? Peace of mind and new start somewhere else is priceless. We rent, and will leave straight away with not a care in the world if the worst happens. Not my property so not my problem. see ya later in a heartbeat

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If the worst has happened it wouldn't be an issue. If the house is made uninhabitable rent stops from the time of the event and you would be refunded not only your bond but also any advance rent not used up. If the house is still fine but the event has drastically altered your circumstances in most cases the tribunal would let you out of an FTT anyway.

If however you decide that you can walk arbitrarily away from a fixed term tenancy with no consequences, prepare to learn a bitter lesson. After due process (which doesn't take long with the FTA) bailiffs will be seizing your possesions, the court can (and does) order your bank to hand over the dough, which will include all costs incurred plus damages. Add to that the fact that the Tribunal ruling is public and searchable and you will never be able to rent any place handled by a professional agency that actually does the checks to make sure prospective tenants aren't  trash that think contracts can't be enforced.

 

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Baliff's are court appointed so my first point stands. Also we only rent private and any possessions can soon be put in other peoples names. You can't force or blackmail anyone into living anywhere particularly if they claim "environmental and emotional harm" .

Sorry landlords out there, best you just suck it up and find new tenants

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How I described it is exactly how it works. The courts enforce the TT orders by appointing the bailiffs.  You come across here as "holier than thou" while at the same time admitting that your signature on a contract means nothing and you are prepared to lie and cheat in attempts to avoid legal obligations. Maybe you should consider a carreer in politics.   

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item 7 sounds like total bull to me

 

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I would shoot this lying bastard.  How many Cantabrians could afford Remuera prices?

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You might be surprised...Cantabrians just don't flaunt their wealth as much as postal codes might dictate.

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Obviously you come from Fendalton.  Check out the median house price in ChCh compared to Remuera.  What are Cantabrians going to use to make up the difference?

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exactly! Thats why I thought the statement was total bull

 

 

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most of my christchurch clients can afford those prices, the real question would be given the options you can afford with high priced property which direction they would choose. In addition, the wealthy who have damaged property in Christchurch I'm working with usually own other properties i.e the sounds, the queenstown property or....

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but many would need to sell their own properties in ChCh first? And what sort of prices will they get now?

I would have thought the truly wealthy ones, if they were going to move anywhere, would tend to go to other South Island locations, maybe Nelson or Queenstown? these locations might genuinely see some interest from Cantabs 

If they are wealthy then they will often still have South Island based business ventures.

Or if they are wealthy retired, again surely they will prefer a South Island location or maybe somewhere like Queensland?

I mean, most Cantabs I know are quite seriously antagonistic to Auckland too, so I really think this is a crock! 

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My christchurch clients tends to have a higher proportion investment/liquid assets compared to my Auckland clients, their private property is generally a smaller part of the entire asset portfolio.

Many have a nation wide chain of business interests so they could end up locating anywhere.

I agree in that I think he is talking it up for listings, I just would not dismise on medium house prices rational. That includes all....many who would have struggled with property prices in greater Auckland even before the Earthquake.

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Mate when you google the Pacific ring of fire you will see maps that show there is a major faultline running from the NI east coast thru Wellington and down the middle of the SI to Fiordland. When that finally goes it won't matter if you have a beach house in Nelson or a lake property in Queenstown or wherever because they will all be toast. Funny is how when you said that a few years ago people rolled their eyes and laughed and called you a disaster merchant or similar. They aren't doing and saying that now. It has been pointed out before already that probably the only place around in NZ where you could escape quakes and volcanoes is northland. To be honest if I was really serious about this problem, say if I had wee kids at home, then I would look at Australia. Aside from being a big flat continent smack dab in the MIDDLE of their own plate, it is where a young man with a family can earn a decent income. Sad to say that there really is not a good reason for someone like that to stick around here in NZ. I know I wouldn't if I was back in those shoes again. And I definitely would NOT be anywhere near bloody Christchurch, that is for sure, wrecked house with a mortgage or no!

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Aus isn't totally immune, remeber Newcastle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Newcastle_earthquake 

although much less seismically susceptible than NZ

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And apparently there's a new bidder for PGG Wrightson from Hong Kong. Zuellig Group. Tim Hunter has the story at Stuff. All a bit curious.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/4712094/New-PGG-Wrightson-bid-emerges

cheers

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Westpac today have adjusted downward their growth projections to 1.7% for 2011 - totally wishful thinking IMHO 

The earthquake is going to massively impact on tourism - asian tourists in particular are very conservative, they simply won't come here for quite a while. Remember too this has been getting huge media coverage in Asia. As my wife is Japanese we get Japanese TV through Sky, most nights the first and major newstory is the earthquake

Asian (and Australian) tourism through 2010 has been what has kept the sector afloat   

 

 

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That's a fair point Matt....but maybe we are missing a chance here...or at least our Minister of Tourism is....perhaps he ought to buy a batch in Japan and flog off the one in Hawaii....that way he would be on hand to invite the Japanese to come on down and he could front a tourist event that pointed out the wealth of other places to visit in NZ.....hell he might even get to give Sumo a bash.

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heck there are a whole lot of white boys from eastern Europe in the top ranks of Sumo now, so JK would not look out of context!

He's fairly rolly polly too, there you go!

But more seriously, tourism is in the muck now, especially as Britain and the US remain in the $##%  

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He could delegate....send Gerry

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Still, some bullion gold coins could come in real handy I reckon.  Have you noticed your dollars not buying as much at the supermarket and pump?

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Of course! Haven't we all. That's why the 'stuff' that most New Zealanders have, is going to have to be converted, sold, to get the 'cash' to pay for the higher living costs with. What is that stuff? Property. Forget about hedging your inflation risk with gold. Unless you are prepared to put 100% of your assets into the 'stuff', by definition whatever % you leave in other assets is going to 'devalue'. Do the sums on your own situation, and see how the gold price is really immaterial to you in everyday life. If you have a mortgage; if you have debt...that's what will become of paramount importance to our citzens. Not the price of an irrelevant metal of little commercial use.

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Take your gold to those places and see what sort of reaction you get? They won't take it. There lies a very big problem, the 'perception' of value and wealth.

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Ha!  But hang on we're talking about a hyperinflationary environment...they'll sure as hell take gold (and silver) as payment if the alternative is Justice's $1000 in cash that would only buy him a toothpick!  As I said, just a few gold coins, a safety net of things that can't be manufactured or printed.  You won't need a vault full of gold - though that would be nice...

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And how long do you expect those few coins to last you and your family? And assuming that you haven't been mugged to get them off you, then what.....

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Good question.  Longer than a few bits of printed paper created by the reserve bank to give the impression that all is ok.

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That's just the point! If we lose 'paper'  what else is there for most people? The days of gold, or gold  backed IOU's is forever gone.  They left with the horse and cart. Maybe that was a mistake. Regardless, we have what we have. And if we ever get to the stage where the NZ$ 'bits of paper' can't keep New Zealanders alive; it won't matter what any of us have.

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Glad you and many think that way.  Makes it easier for gold bugs like me to make sure they'll always have something to trade for the essentials.  I'm off to water the veges, cya :)

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Have fun. I'm off to Wollies to buy mine with some worthless paper. I find a I get a better choice of procuce there than just what grows in the patch out back.

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Snarly et al

Here's our weekly gold report with detail and background

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/double-shot-interview-mike-okane-nz-mint…

 

cheers

Bernard

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In a 'hyper inflationary' environment that would be the least of my worries if you know what i mean. Anyone with anything people feel has value will soon be stolen, rob, mugged, beaten and killed for it. Look poor, very poor if you want to survive such an environment

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Snarlypuss, you are 100% wrong in your assessment, the printing of money to pay for higher living costs leads to devaluing the dollar and discounted interest rates to get businesses borrowing to stimulate the economy this leads to discounted interest on money left in the bank - look at USA.

And now property comes up again as the magic bullet / hedge investment that will solve everything - look at phenox and Las Vagas where home prices have fallen 55% since the peak.

Why do you think property is such a good investment?

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Where did I advocate the arbitrary printing of money? And why did you get the impresson that I think property is such a good investmnet? I think here, it's headed for the dog tucker bin, actually. As we all repay debt, that is deflationary. That makes money, cash, scarcer. It becomes more valuable as it is retired though debt repayment.... and if you have it, you paid a holding commission, interest, as well!

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I was following a conversation thread and presume you edited out your comments

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That RE agent is scum. Which agency is he from? Which ever it is I will never be using their service.

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My name is Agri - I’m a languag exchang student from China – can someon tell me wher are all the NZ$ 500.- notes ?

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Give us a bit of inflation and I can have some $5,000 notes for you next week

;o)

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How many would you like? and what colour?

;]

regards

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Tank you BB - I talk to my father - he can send $ 5000.- fresh NZbundle tomorrow - cheap.

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Don't read this....you will learn too much!

" There will be a bust at some point, perhaps in the next few years, and maybe before. Central bankers in China and India will separately decide to put on the monetary brakes in order to avoid mass price inflation. There will be recessions in both nations. This will once again force down the price of food"

 http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article26562.html

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Wolly - that's total cobblers.

Have ye no' listened to anything here?

Ultimate scarcity versus increasing population.

The poor are bidding with their lives - can't blame them, but it's still a case of musical chairs.

 

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Oh dear oh dear you can smell the banking fear!

 

"The voting is over in Ireland and in this writer's eyes, quite anticlimactic. Fianna Fail, the party that agreed to enormously unpopular austerity measures to bail out UK, German, French and US banks, was blasted to smithereens. The vote was both expected and well deserved.

The real fun begins now, and it is not at all certain what that outcome is. My choice is for default, but I do not get to vote. However, if common sense prevails, the EU and ECB is in for a rude shock."

 

 http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/massive-rout-in-irish-elections.html

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default! default! default!

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Ireland should just do what Iceland did and tell the private bankers to F&%$ off!

End of problem, there should be no way in the great free market the bankers and economists promote so much, that public money should fund private bankers...

Any one (excluding share holders) had a dividend cash in hand payout from any private bank when they were makin the profits?

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Spot on.

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Go the Irish...it's highly likely they won't be afraid to tell the bankers to f$%* off...especially after a few Guinness.

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"Ireland should just do what Iceland did and tell the private bankers to F&%$ off!"

And yet the Irish - just like the people of Iceland - thought the banks and their funny-munny were just wonderful when everything seemed to be going so well, before the big crash.

It's only now that they realise how naive, and gullible, and greedy, and dickheaded they all were, that they're blaming the banks for everything.

Don't get me wrong, the banks are scum, no doubt about it...but the people of Ireland and Iceland were no better, especially now that they are trying to avoid any and all responsibility.

 

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"Australian house prices fell across the board in January, as natural disasters and low sales volumes weighed on sentiment"

Natural disasters? Low sales volumes?  Now where have I heard that before......

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Hi Bernard

Fonterra wasn't highlighted in the milk price wars as it only holds 3% of the Australian milk market. 

I also doubt those analysts know anything about the milk industry as Coles will not be making any loss on the milk at that price.  It is actually equivalent to $3.10 NZ as there is no GST on milk in Australia (and famers are paid slightly less than in NZ at the moment).  So it is actually only 20% cheaper than NZ and I am pretty sure retailers would be making more than 20%. 

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