
Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 2.30 pm in association with NZ Mint.
I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.
I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.
The cartoons are back. Yay!
1. Not a joiner - FT.com's Robert Shrimsley reports exclusively on what Osama bin Laden's neighbours in Abbotabad thought of him.
Apparently the bearded one wasn't much of a joiner. It seems he wasn't keen on the local neigbourhood watch committee.
And he was an Arsenal fan.
No wonder he was grumpy.
He apparently also had a duvet cover with a picture of Arsenal's Dennis Bergkamp on it...
I wonder if Mr Shrimsley is having us on...
A known Arsenal fan, he would sometimes go to the village hall to watch live matches. One fellow fan said: “I remember once saying he looked like Osama bin Laden. He just laughed and said people were always telling him that.” Inside his bedroom the Seals also found a 30-minute DVD of all the team’s classic matches. The room itself was plain apart from a prayer mat and a Dennis Bergkamp duvet cover.
Children were rarely allowed in to the compound. If they hit a cricket ball over the 18ft high wall they could not collect it, but were reimbursed by one of the other adults living there. Javed, 14, admits: “It was always an easy way to make money if you were a bit short. You’d knock on the door and tell them you had hit a couple of balls over. They’d give you 200 rupees. I suppose we’ll have to go back to washing cars now. It’s a shame.”
2. Just so miserable - Remember the misery index? It was a creature of the stagflation of the 1970s and was referred to quite regularly then. It's a combination of the inflation rate and the unemployment rate. It's back into double figures.
Here's New Zealand's misery rate chart below after today's jobless numbers, courtesy of The Dim Post.
Our Misery Index is now higher than at any point since the Rogernomics Recession in the early 1990s (Q3 of 1993, to be precise).
Rather frighteningly, the latest unemployment statistics don’t even factor in the impact of the second Canterbury earthquake.
3. 'Just let us borrow another US$2 trillion...' - Reuters reports US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has asked Congress to lift the US debt ceiling by another US$2 trillion to US$16.3 trillion.
A Reuters analysis of Treasury's borrowing needs forecast Congress would have to raise the debt ceiling by more than $2 trillion to get through next year's election without having to revisit the issue. According to the Treasury, the government borrows on average about $125 billion per month.
4. Extend and pretend - Banks have put an awful lot of mortgages in Christchurch on holiday, but the interest bills are still mounting up and compounding in a quietly dangerous way for customers and shareholders (and depositors?).
Rebecca Stevenson at Stuff has some useful detail on how much big this lump of compounding debt has become.
ANZ/National Bank alone has deferred payments on residential property worth $240m in Christchurch since February, while Westpac has approved mortgage payment holidays for 1500 customers on mortgages with an average value of $200,000.
Last year turned into a record year for mortgage holidays for BNZ. The bank approved 4055 holidays, including its Christchurch-affected customers, well up on the previous year where 3727 were approved. And already in the first three months of the year, 955 BNZ customers have gone on "holiday".
In 2010, ANZ/ National approved 10,000 loan repayment holidays on a whopping $2.4 billion of lending, but despite this rather large statistic Thompson says the bank is careful to make sure customers understand the implications. She also says the number of repayment holidays has stayed consistent, even since the recession began in 2008.
ASB have taken a slightly different tack from the other banks in that they have promoted reduced interest rates for their ASB, Sovereign and Bank Direct mortgage holders. In three weeks, ASB converted $100m of Christchurch home loans to discounted interest rates of 1 per cent off variable rates or 0.5 cent off fixed for a year.
5. No favours really - Our own Amanda Morrall covered this story last October when she was working for the Press. Here's why such mortgage holidays can be dangerous things.
Take an average loan of $250,000. On a two-year fixed rate of 6.69 per cent, amortised over 30 years, the monthly mortgage repayment would be $1611.54.
According to Mortgage Solutions' Geoff Hill's calculations, a three-month mortgage holiday would have the compounded effect of adding an extra $6389 onto the loan. It also ends up increasing the monthly repayments to $1642.70, assuming that the borrower repays the mortgage within the same 30-year time frame.
"The banks aren't doing you any favours in reality," concludes Hill.
6. Jaws of the Dragon - Ian Fletcher writes at HuffPo about a new book by Tokyo-based Irish journalist Eammon Fingleton about the rise and rise of China. Fletcher makes some interesting points (citing Fingleton) about China's Confucianism and Mercantilism.
It's something we naive New Zealanders should think a lot more about before we sell off our farms and everything else to the Chinese.
America's defense against Chinese mercantilism is further sabotaged by the fact that, despite our using similar policies earlier in our own history, mainstream American economists are largely blind to the fact that mercantilism even works. Trapped in the same "free" market thinking that led to the 2008 financial crisis, they don't believe that China's policies can possibly be a winning move for that country. An economy that has gone from peasant agriculture to superpower in 30 years doesn't seem to persuade them.
Why are China's economic policies so effective? The aggressive pursuit of exports is a game other nations, like Germany and Japan, also play well. But these are both medium-sized high-wage nations that are already developed, not gigantic low-wage nations still on the early stage of their development path.
China is unique because it combines standard-issue (if exceptionally cynical) mercantilism with other policies, like forced savings and systematic technology acquisition, made possible by its despotic ex-Marxist political system. For example, it has, by deliberate state fiat, a savings rateclose to 50%, while America's is close to zero. This gives China a tidal wave of investment capital to put into everything from factories to freeways. (It is also enabling China to accumulate ownership of American government securities and private-sector assets.)
Japan never took over the world, so some people dismiss the Chinese threat as yet another big wolf-cry. But China has ten times Japan's population, nuclear weapons, and a hard-authoritarian rather than soft-authoritarian political system. This time, it's different.
7. Fed murmurs suggest QE III possible - Bloomberg reports one Federal Reserve President (there's a gaggle of them) saying that rates are nowhere near rising.
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston President Eric Rosengren said the economy isn’t growing fast enough to achieve the central bank’s goals of full employment and stable prices, and that “nothing’s off the table” if the outlook deteriorates.
“I’d like to see growth that’s strong enough to generate jobs at a faster rate than 200,000” a month, Rosengren said in an interview with Bloomberg Television to air tomorrow. For interest rates to rise, “we’d have to see much more job growth than we’ve seen to date.”
Asked whether a third round of quantitative easing policy was still under consideration, Rosengren said that “nothing’s off the table, it depends on economic conditions, so we have to do whatever makes sense given our outlook for the economy.”
“If we were to see inflation rates going down dramatically and the unemployment rate going up dramatically, we’d have to reexamine what our monetary policy is,” he said. “That’s not something I expect, that’s not something that’s in most people’s forecasts.”
8. The problem with ageing - Leith van Onselen at Macrobusiness.com pulls together the data and charts on the problems of ageing workforces in Australia and New Zealand.
I wonder if property investors have really thought about this.
Both nations will face similar demographic headwinds as their populations age and the proportion of working age people declines, bringing with it lower consumption expenditure and growth, as well as higher taxes.
And the impact of ageing on asset prices are expected to be substantial. For example, according to a recent Bank for International Settlements (BIS) working paper, the ageing of the Baby Boomers is projected to reduce Australia’s (New Zealand’s) real house price growth by around 30% (40%) over the next 40 years compared to neutral demographics. This is because the Baby Boomers will reduce their housing stock as they enter retirement by liquidating their investment property holdings and downsizing, thereby depressing house prices.
9. The world's reserve currency - The economist has charted the US dollar over a long period. Should we put our faith in this reserve currency? Perhaps not.
A weak currency should be good news for a country’s exporters, but that hasn’t stopped America from running a persistent trade deficit. And America’s creditors are having to cope with the unappealing combination of holding low-yielding Treasury bonds in a depreciating currency.
10. Totally Jon Stewart on Pakistani Intelligence.
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Osama an Arsenal fan? Well he's not likely to be a Tottenham fan is he BH?
Indeed. And I've always assumed you to be a Brazil fan Vanderlei...
Grant Dalton defends Team NZ's $36m taxpayer hand out. - http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/4966252/Grant-Dalton-defends-…
Mark Hotchin is suing the NZHerald and Brian Gaynor for defamation.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10723606
In a statement of claim lodged with the High Court at Auckland, Hotchin referred to a number of columns and a profile feature published in the Weekend Herald between 2008 and 2011.
It says the articles had damaged his personal and commercial reputation and caused him to lose commercial opportunities in Australia and New Zealand.
And here's Jenni McManus at Stuff on Hotchin v Herald & Gaynor - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4966981/Hotchin-sues-Herald-over-…
Haha what a dick head. He should have waited for the ruling about his destitute postion at $1000 per week before he employed another $1000 per hour QC.
Perhaps there is a statue of limitations he has to meet, any ideas on that Gareth?
He must have done his sums and worked out the chances of winning the defamation case is worth the risk of losses on the other side.
If Gaynor needs a fighting fund, Id be in.
I wouldn't worry I think the dude's got plenty of resources.
Haha. At least we know when and where Hotchin will be.
Might get those stands set up on Queens wharf yet.
We will be waiting for you Mark.
Might take your QC down for a whipping also just because I hate lawyers.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/4962937/Landcorp-buys-farmland-from-failed-Tawera
gummits back buyin expensive farms to bail out lenders and keep the rural property bubble pumped with tax payer $$$$. what a waste.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4956412/SCFs-Scales-stake-sold-off
ACC coughing up for Scales, more public $$$$ pumpin' the bubble...
Hi SteveL
MR apple is an interesting investment for ACC and the super fund I guess we need to keep working till we dropp and acc charges will keep rising. We pay and pay.
What the hell are Landcorp doing? when do they stop after they own the last farm?(socialist republic of NZ) They had a lot of damage to farms in the east coast floods last week.
This from a mate in the industry
I was just going to add to your last comment re Landcorp that they only seem to need to achieve about 1% ROA (see latest 1/2 year and previous years results) as their taxpayer bankers subsidise a "real" return. The same applies to overseas land buyers who with their currency hedges and other financial ploys (or ideology) do not have to meet the same requirements as NZ buyers. Hence the gap between them and others in the Crafar bids. Next in line Landcorp with their subsidised "profits" ability to bid. And finally NZers who can afford to pay only "half price" but which in real terms is all that the farms are worth in New Zealand to New Zealanders with the new "cash is king" bank philosophy!!!! ??????????
Hang on there, maaaaates. First: Direct Capital (a private equity group - gasp!) led that transaction. Presumably NZ Super and ACC are investors in the DC fund and are topping up a little bit, but make no mistake, a private equity group is involved. But at least it is a new zealander!
Judging from the comments from the high caliber readers of interest.co.nz there is simply no good purchaser of an asset in this country. No foreigners (especially if they are asian), no state owned asset sales, no private equity owners, etc.
And by the way - Mr Apple is owned by Scales Corporation - a large and diversified holding company. Apples is just a minority part of the bigger business.
#8: Ageing population & house prices
The impact on house prices presumably won't be equal. For example, high-maintenance lifestyle blocks with enormous McMansions miles from community services & hospitals could be the worst hit. Small central well-appointed town houses might do ok.
Of course, Pres of Property, Olly N etc will say that the net impact of an ageing population will be rising house prices all round ....
Put me in for a few quid for that fighting fund for Brian Gaynor. He's a hero that man.
Actually, if Hotchin is after the person who has done the most to "damage his personal and commercial reputation and caused him to lose commercial opportunities in Australia and New Zealand", he had better start sueing Mr M Hotchin Esq.
Cheers to all
Well I never, guess who came out and said:
""I’ve been getting a number of requests that I say something about the implications of the widely publicized Jeremy Grantham piece arguing that we’ve entered a new era of resource scarcity.
I’m broadly sympathetic to this view — in fact, I’ve expressed quite similar views""
JG.....is interesting.....off another piece that comment on his piece ....
"Given the dominant effect of El Nino-La Nina on short-term temperature change and the usual lag of a few months between the Nino index and its effect on global temperature, it is unlikely that 2011 will reach a new global record temperature.
In contrast, it is likely that 2012 will reach a record high global temperature. The principal caveat is that the duration of the current La Nina could stretch an extra year, as some prior La Ninas have "
So we have had a static decade on temp rises with 2010 matching 2005.....but we are coming off a low is solar effect....(11 year cycle?) yet with all these interesting events...the next decade could be really variable...
So will investors get off their political stools and worry about making money, or loseing it by not paying attention I wonder.
regards
Record high global temperatures relative to when ..
If you take the temperatures of the medieval warm period from the first IPCC report ( now of course removed from all subsequent reports ) - we do not have record temperatures.
If you start from the subsequent mini ice age - yes we have record temperatures as we have continuous warming since then.
The climate is fluctuating as it has done for billions of years interspersed with regular ice ages for which we do not to this day know for sure the cause.
So please - when referring to temperature records state relative to when.
The simple and obvious reason that later IPCC reports don't mention the nedieval warm period is because there wasn't a medieval global warm period.
somebody mentioned tallow/biodiesel here the other day. does anybody know if thats a realistic fuel source?
A NZ biofuels seminar jointly sponsored by the EECA has been on tour - I attended the meeting here in Nelson. There are a handful of active companies. Their activity is to an extent propped up by a govt subsidy which may or may not be continued in the future. Biofuels in NZ are approached from the greenhouse gas reduction as much as from the oil replacement angle. At the present time it is an embryonic industry; Contact Energies offshoot subsidiary reckon 50-100m L of biodiesel might be made from tallow - and maybe 3 million L from a crop such as rapeseed.
To put that into context we use 3000m L of mineral diesel in NZ each year.
So on that basis - it might make up rather less than 5% if fully rolled out.....
The 'next generation' of biofuels (from algae) are years away from scaled up production (IF they can indeed by scaled up successfully - most are still at the lab/pilot plant stage)
Ive yet to see anything that suggests algae will be viable let alone significant....it will be interesting to keep an eye on.
regards
I follow the nascent algal biofuels industry very closely. There has been a large amount of hype but there are considerable hurdles to overcome. Even if all such problems could be solved I can't really see the industry making much of an significant impact until perhaps towards the end of the decade (given on-going problems, speed of progress thusfar etc)
Cool, let me know if its looking productive.
The things that I had noticed was even if (once) they found the perfect algae, a big problem was keeping it "pure" other algae would multiple as well then there was how to harvest it at scale....seems centrifuges could work quite well, tried and tested tech...to seperate out the water....but then what....
I might just go and see if i can find any new stuff to read.....good co2 absorber as well....
regards
Hi,
I assume it was me.....back in HC's last Govn a company from the UK? wanted to setup a tallow to bio plant here....but HC wouldnt cough up some %s...
Or there is this,
"An Auckland company is planning a $40m plant near Matamata to make bio-diesel from waste tallow. Bio-diesel Oils NZ hopes to produce 60m litres of bio-diesel a year from the plant, enough to meet demand for the entire North Island, and hopes to have it operating by late 2008."
http://www.nzenergy-environment.co.nz/EEBW/070124EEBW.htm
I dont think it happened.......
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10525056
So two plants could have gone a considerable way to make us [bio-]deisel independent....but no lets not build it as a safety thing...lets just let market forces sort it out.....
or this,
http://www.bioenergy.org.nz/documents/publications/Liquid%20Biofuels/Ta…
"In New Zealand we currently produce almost 150,000 tonnes of tallow that is easily and economically convertible to high quality Biodiesel."
However I think it was all shelved.....
regards
I think you will find that they make more money sending the Tallow to China.
I learnt that the Tallow that we export to China could alone provide 5% of our transport needs. Tallow however can be problematic as a bio diesel source as it is prone to gelling in cold temperatures.
Generally the fuels resistance to gelling is reflected in the lattitude from where it is sourced.
I went through the Bio Diesel NZ plant in Chch two years ago and was impressed until I spoke to a farmer about a week later. Bio Diesel NZ are owned by Solid Energy and they are only interested so they can offset the carbon from their coal industry. They were paying the farmers 30% more than the true value of the crop because of this carbon credits business.
What I also learnt is that the land used for rapeseed is not much use for anything else afterwards. The seeds are like a thistle in that they can lie dormant in the soil for years, relegating it to weed status.
Make no mistake...the govt regardless of whether it's blue red or pinky green with bells on, is going to open the immigration floodgates and invite in a million or two in the young skilled keen to escape a shitehole category for two reasons...the first is the endless game of blowing more hot air into the property bubbles both rural and res.....the second is to rebalance the age distribution in the pop.
To that end OllyN will be on the button regards property investment...with just the matter of location and buying price determining success or misery.
We could just turn our elderly into a cheap source of protein, can and export it as part of NZ Inc's dynamic export driven economy.
Solyent green, yum. Hey, no, wait! That will be me!
"To that end OllyN will be on the button" ... when Bernard Hickey came out with his $4 per litre petrol article my first thought was "how much was OllyN paying him as a backhander for that one"
Does not compute.
If we allow thousands of rich people into the country, and they all go on a property buying spree, it means that they will price THE VAST MAJORITY OF KIWIS out of the market.
Pushing prices even higher won't automagically lead to enormous wage and salary increases.
Almost everybody will still be slaving away earning the same pittance as always, even as prices rocket ever higher out of their reach.
A few slimebags such as certain prominent members of the property ponzi industry will make money (and it will immediately go offshore into untaxable funds), but most of the people in New Zealand will suffer.
It remains an utterly staggering notion that anyone still clings to the "High Property Prices = We're All Gonna Get Rich!" fallacy of imbeciles.
Anon.Good.Nurse. What do you mean by IF? It is happening. It's been happening for many years. Periodically it appears in the main-stream-news as comment for all to see. This is just one of many examples http://www.nzherald.co.nz/china-and-us/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503058&objectid=10719094 and yet life carries on.
But anongoodnurse you miss the point....the govt we always get reflects the attitudes that prevail and the ponzi route to fatter capital taxfree gains remains wide open with every sodding politician marching along it singing "happy days are here again..the property bubble is here again...da de da deee dah"
So you are going to get a mighty wave of immigrants from the shitehole parts of the planet and it will arrive wrapped in BS and spin from whatever govt has its arse in the Beehive...all aimed at getting dumb Kiwi Kev to think things will be better...the light at the end of the tunnel of lies is almost visible....not long now....just another year....hold your breath why don't you !!!
Interesting the "Misery Index".
Notice how everyone felt the most miserable during National Party governments. Imagine where the line would go if Brash got control next year - we would all be suicidal.
Not surprising that's for sure.
Wrong wrong wrong - the misery level was high around 1990 / 1991 which is around when National came to power, so the misery was largely caused by Labour - then dropped away markedly during the 1990s when Nats were in govt
I would suggest actually that there is not a causal relationship between party in power and misery - its larger macroeoncomic factors at play. Everyone was really happy in the early 2000s not because Labour was in power but because that time was characterised by rising house prices and low unemployment, which Labour had bugger all influence on
... or you could say the misery was largely caused by National's buddies Act, which largely emerged out of the right-wing Labour Party of the 1980's...
There is also the little matter of the Ruth Richardson budget -- that was miserable ten times over
Matt - um, that era was about ideology, shared on both sides of the house.
Labour were guilty, Nat just as guilty.
It's why we voted for MMP.
The underlying story, was that they had hit the point where there were less and less countries to rape, less and less opportunities to do things, and more and more folk trying to do them.
On a finite planet.
Those folk rubbed shoulders with those who were eyeing off public assets - because the said opportunities were tapering.
And they'd all just parttaken in a ponzi bubble. I wonder how many sanctimonious posters here, got caught in that one, and the recent one. But would hook optimistically into the next one.
And blame a convenient scapegoat - that classic sign of immaturity.
ps - Labour lost me - permanently - in '84.
So what you're actually claiming is that happiness cannot be a result of any political regime unless it's a National Party political regime, but unhappiness can be a result of a political regime only when it's a Labour Party political regime.
It's great to see all this unbiased, non-partisan commentary.
Oooooohhhhhhh Gummmmmmeeeeeee.....
"strange happenings in the Chinese copper market."
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/05/ponzi-financing-involving-copper-trade.html
FYI the analysts in Australia are watching this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/city-beat/rising-mortgage-arre…
ANZ and Westpac's rise in mortgage arrears highlights an "alarming" problem lurking in the broader economy, say analysts.
As Westpac today reported a 7 per cent rise in its closely watched cash profit to $3.17billion, analysts at UBS said ANZ's sharp rise in arrears -- or overdue debt -- was an "ominous lead indicator for the domestic economy".
If only we could build a house in New Zealand for US$300. Sigh
Here's the economist on a blog's call for a US$300 house for the teeming masses of the world's slums.
http://www.economist.com/node/18618271?fsrc=nlw|mgt|05-04-11|management…
Why has a simple blog post led to such an explosion of creativity? The obvious reason is that “frugal innovation”—the art of radically reducing the cost of products while also delivering first-class value—is all the rage at the moment. General Electric has reduced the cost of an electrocardiogram machine from $2,000 to $400. Tata Chemicals has produced a $24 purifier that can provide a family with pure water for a year. Girish Bharadwaj, an engineer, has perfected a technique for producing cheap footbridges that are transforming life in rural India.
Another reason is that houses can be such effective anti-poverty tools. Poorly constructed ones contribute to a nexus of problems: the spread of disease (because they have no proper sanitation or ventilation), the perpetuation of poverty (because children have no proper lights to study by) and the general sense of insecurity (because they are so flimsy and flammable).
And big companies that face stagnant markets in the West are increasingly fascinated by the “fortune at the bottom of the pyramid”. Bill Gross of Idealab reckons the market for cheap houses could be worth at least $424 billion.
Really sums every wrong about property spruikers, they don't care who they can make a buck from. Morally bankrupt.
To be honest Bernard people have been doing this sort of work on a voluntary basis for decades, guys along the lines of PDK. The Garbage Warrior came up on your forum several weeks ago, I recommend you get the movie of the same title. Interesting journey of one Architects battle to build affordable and sensible housing in the USA and beyond. It actually cost him his registration as a professional Architect at one point. Contrast this to Hughs work.
Look up TLUD's. Another journey of well meaning people trying to improve the lot of those in poverty, all for no profit. Now GE wants a piece of the action for profit. Sad really.
This work has been going on since the 70's, but largely unnoticed by the materialistic world too busy buying houses, cars and boats. Now that things a looking a little ominous for continuation of the debt fueled splurge they are suddenly taking an interest.
I will push it further to say my prospective profession is quite culpable.
Matt in Auck - I would suggest that the last Labour did have an influence on the lower unemployment figures from 2000 onwards. They simply shifted the unemployed onto other benefits i.e. DPB, ACC and sickness benefit. Voila lower perceived unemployment! National seems to be quite happy continuing with this statistical charade.
Now people can realise why the NZ economy is not improving because it has 20+% of working age people who are "unemployed".
China could invest US$2 trillion in overseas assets over the next decade...
Starting with the Crafar Farms...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/business/global/04yuan.html?ref=busin…
Flush with capital from its enormous trade surpluses and armed with the world’s largest foreign exchange reserves, China has begun spreading its newfound riches to every corner of the world — whether copper mines in Africa, iron ore facilities in Australia or even a gas shale project in the heart of Texas.
The study, commissioned by the Asia Society in New York and the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars in Washington, forecasts that over the next decade China could invest as much as $2 trillion in overseas companies, plants or property, money that could help reinvigorate growth in the United States and Europe.
Last year, China’s overseas direct investments amounted to about $59 billion. By comparison, the United States’ figure was over $300 billion.
But with Beijing pushing its big companies to go overseas and invest in resources and technology, China’s investments could soon reach $100 billion to $200 billion a year, according to the Asia Society study.
The potential problem for Beijing is that Chinese companies are not always welcomed overseas — not only because China wields enormous economic clout but because state-owned giants are believed to be subsidized by the state and possibly working in the interest of the government.
Fran O'Sullivan's piece in the Wednesday NZHerald is interesting on the Chinese investment issue and the issue of whether the dairy industry pays its fair share of tax...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=107…
Not all MPs bought the dairy lobby's arguments.
Some attacked the pitiful amount of tax NZ dairy farmers stump up to the IRD - a factor which is compounded by the lack of strong capital gains tax to clip profits when farms are sold. If such a tax was imposed, it would arguably lower the entry price for young farmers to get into dairying.
But the Government has yet to take a truly holistic look at the dairy industry.
My wife has relations on a Taranaki dairy farm. 500 odd cows. Been in the family for generations. New Falcon every second year, plenty of overseas holidays.
They declare so little income that they qualify for the Community Services Card
Cheers to all.
darn tootin philly
there was a craze a few years ago for his'n'hers ducatis too. classic.
dairying is not easy or overly pleasant work but they've done well for the last decade and have not, in my opinion, pulled their weight.
obviously some are better than others but its tought o regulate an industry that so dominates export receipts...
Philly
Many farmers with high debt and high costs actually don't make a lot of money. If they have a big enough interest bill they may be running at a loss. The wealth they talk about is the capital value of the farm, but the debt won't change as the farm falls in value and they get to learn one of lifes little lessons. Im always amazed at how many of my friends have new cars every two years, its because they lease them on a two year roll over. Work out what its costs them and when you see the new Falcon smile and say, wow nice love the car what did it cost you.
They may not pay tax but they pay a heap to the bank and thats where we need to focus our attention because thats were the problem is for our country, its the 34,000,000,000 going to the banks in interest. Yet we have landcorp buying land off ANZ, where the second mortgage is held by SCF, at a price that rescues both,its an inside job looking from here.
AndrewJ: Well, I look at their lifestyle and they don't look to be struggling! Pretty much all household expenses, travel etc is charged to the farm, so any struggling is more on the paperwork to the IRD than in reality.
Actually, in the case its actually immaterial now, as the farmer I was talking about is retiring at 40, happy with his nice tax-free capital gain.
Cheers to all.
Even Osama Bin Laden had given up on the US dollar as a reserve currency...
Osama bin Laden had cash totaling 500 Euros and two telephone numbers sewn into his clothing when he was killed — sure signs that he was prepared to flee his compound at a moment’s notice — top U.S. intelligence officials told members of Congress at a classified briefing in the Capitol Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54258.html#ixzz1LSmhuKfB
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