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Thursday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Ultimate death by debt; Growing energy inefficiency; What QE III might look; Why a Greek default would hammer US banks; Dilbert

Thursday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: Ultimate death by debt; Growing energy inefficiency; What QE III might look; Why a Greek default would hammer US banks; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 10 to 4 pm  in association with NZ Mint.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

The key point in the Greek debt crisis is if and when Greek debt is restructured to the point that it triggers the payout of credit default swaps. Then Europe's crisis goes global through the US megabanks.

1. Death by Debt - US banking analyst and survivalist Chris Martenson writes here about the inevitability that the US economy can't be fixed because it relies too much of unending debt creation and peak oil.

This all sounds a bit chicken littlish (attention Gummy Bear) but it's worth reading.

Martenson is no mug and covers America's banking system very closely.

The implications of what he is saying are profound and a tad scary.

But he makes a strong case and it's hard to see a way out.

His views are similar in many ways to those of Steve Keen.

The old regime of general economic stability and rising standards of living fueled by excessive credit are a thing of the past.  At least they are for the debt-encrusted developed nations over the short haul -- and, over the long haul, across the entire soon-to-be energy-starved globe.

The basis for this view stems from understanding that debt-based money systems operate best when they can grow exponentially forever. Of course, nothing can, which means that even without natural limits, such systems are prone to increasingly chaotic behavior, until the money that undergirds them collapses into utter worthlessness, allowing the cycle to begin anew.

All economic depressions share the same root cause. Too much credit that does not lead to enhanced future cash flows is extended.  In other words, this means lending without regard for the ability of the loan to repay both the principal and interest from enhanced production; money is loaned for consumption, and poor investment decisions are made. Eventually gravity takes over, debts are defaulted upon, no more borrowers can be found, and the system is rather painfully scrubbed clean. It's a very normal and usual process.

So here we are, just a few weeks away from the end of the second round of quantitative easing (QE II) , with massive public debts and liabilities having only grown larger instead of shrinking during the Great Recession, everybody in nearly the same boat, and no clear plan for how all the sovereign debts will be funded from current productive cash flows (i.e., existing GDP).

This is why so many commentators, myself included, are convinced that more thin-air money printing is on the way. My thesis, laid out back in early March is that the Fed will stop QE II on schedule and that the financial markets will react exceptionally poorly to this loss of support. Commodities will tank first, then stocks, then bonds; from riskiest and most-leveraged to least.

It is time to face the music; the levels of indebtedness now require permanent support from thin-air money in order to avoid a deflationary collapse.

2. Markets keep falling - Bloomberg reports stocks and currencies (vs the US) have kept falling through Asia as fears grow about a likely Greek default.

Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou will reshuffle his Cabinet and seek to win a confidence vote today as escalating protests over budget cuts fuel speculation that the austerity measures needed to qualify for international aid will be put in jeopardy. Global shares fell the most in almost three months yesterday amid concern that a Greek default will cause a freeze in credit markets worldwide, similar to the one in 2008 when Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapsed.

“The bottom line is a default or restructuring on the part of Greece is going to end up being the Lehman event for Europe and the question is whether policy makers push this to the brink,” Scott Minerd, the New York-based chief investment officer at Guggenheim Partners LLC, said in a Bloomberg Television interview. “The bottom line is, if they keep kicking the can down the road, we’re going to face a disaster.”

3. Equally unequal - Paul Kedrosky at Bloomberg points to a chart below showing New Zealand's income inequality is only slightly better than Britain and America, and is worse than Japan, Canada, Australia, Germany etc.

For the squinters amoung you, we're in between Britain and Romania on the right hand (most unequal) side of the chart.

Kedrosky then makes some depressing points about why there aren't riots in America.

There are really two aspects to this, especially to how people (read: voters) respond to the skew. There are structural issues — safety nets, education, poverty and immigration — and there are identity issues.

At the margin, identity trumps structure, with people living less unhappily with income disparity because it reinforces their sense of societal self. Income skew supports American exceptionalism, the idea that the U.S. is different, because look at what happens to successful people here, unlike elsewhere. “That could be me,” is the story people tell themselves, a story that causes them to vote for fewer structural supports, the sort of thing that could get in the way of their achieving the American Dream, or so the story goes.

In short, the skew in U.S. income is a feature, not a bug. It is an essential myth in which people in this country believe, one that reinforces exceptionalism, identity and entrepreneurial opportunity. It creates the perception of an economic lottery, one that you too could win, if only you worked hard enough and long enough. Further, and more than a little worryingly, it has positive feedback, in that the more skewed incomes become the more the lottery effect is reinforced. Bad income news is good news, and worse income news is even better news.

4. Falling energy efficiency - Early Warning points to a BP report on global energy use in 2010. The one hope in a world of peak oil is that we become more efficicient at using oil. But as this chart below showing GDP per tonne of oil equivalent energy demonstrates, we have become less efficient in the last year or two.

The first thing that struck me was that the headline growth in global primary energy consumption, 5.6%, was likely larger than the growth in global GDP, implying that the efficiency with which the global economy uses energy must have declined.

5. What QE III could look like - Ed Harrison does a great job at Credit Writedowns explaining what a (now apparently inevitable) third round of quantitative easing might look like.

The Fed could announce long bond yield targets and then buy up as much as required to hit that target...God help us all. The Fed somehow thinks it can do this without having to buy US Treasuries itself. As if by magic...

Harrison quotes from current US Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke in his infamous Helicopter speech.

There are at least two ways of bringing down longer-term rates, which are complementary and could be employed separately or in combination. One approach, similar to an action taken in the past couple of years by the Bank of Japan, would be for the Fed to commit to holding the overnight rate at zero for some specified period. Because long-term interest rates represent averages of current and expected future short-term rates, plus a term premium, a commitment to keep short-term rates at zero for some time–if it were credible–would induce a decline in longer-term rates. A more direct method, which I personally prefer, would be for the Fed to begin announcing explicit ceilings for yields on longer-maturity Treasury debt (say, bonds maturing within the next two years). 

The Fed could enforce these interest-rate ceilings by committing to make unlimited purchases of securities up to two years from maturity at prices consistent with the targeted yields. If this program were successful, not only would yields on medium-term Treasury securities fall, but (because of links operating through expectations of future interest rates) yields on longer-term public and private debt (such as mortgages) would likely fall as well.

And here's Harrison with the 'just like magic' thinking:

My understanding about what (PIMCO boss Bill) Gross believes is that the Fed could see QE3 "guaranteeing" a 2 year or 3 year yield at a certain level---say 50 basis points. Moreover, the Fed would not necessarily have to buy any Treasures to defend this target. Gross understands that the private sector “would do it” for the Fed via the language and confidence in the "guarantee". I think this point about not having to buy any securities despite offering to defend the rate with an unlimited supply of liquidity is significant.

6. And it starts - The FT (via CNN) reports Standard and Poor's has lowered its outlook on Chinese property.

The outlook for the Chinese property development sector was downgraded to negative by Standard & Poor's on Wednesday, as the rating agency pointed to worsening credit conditions and the likelihood of a fall in transaction volumes.

The downgrade comes as analysts warn of a potential impending "price war" among property developers starved of cash by Beijing's efforts to rein in the red-hot residential property sector .

"In the near term, what worries us most is the liquidity position of developers, who are facing very tight lending controls," said Bei Fu, an analyst at S&P in Hong Kong. "In this situation developers really need to rely on their own sales but this is a highly uncertain prospect given government attempts to suppress the market and the fact sales volumes have already started to come down."

7. More capital and less leverage - Simon Johnson at the NYTimes points out that even the Federal Reserve is trying to rein in the leverage by the Too Big To Fail monster banks.

Less leverage means less lending, which means deleveraging, which means asset sales and/or losses for the most leveraged ad infinitum...refer above to Martenson.

As the bankers busily rallied their forces to fight on debit cards and spent a great deal of time lobbying on Capitol Hill, they were doused with a bucket of cold water by Daniel K. Tarullo, a governor of the Federal Reserve.

In a speech on June 3, Mr. Tarullo implied capital requirements for systemically important financial institutions — a category specified in the sweeping overhaul of financial regulation last year — could be as high as 14 percent, or roughly double what is required for all banks under the Basel IIIagreement.

Whether the Federal Reserve will go that far is not certain; a capital requirement of an additional 3 percent of equity (on top of Basel’s 7 percent) may be more likely, but that is still 3 percent more than big banks were hoping for.

8. What happens if Greece defaults - The question of whether Greece defaults is very important from the point of view of European banks because any default would force them to revalue their assets and report losses. It may force them to raise fresh capital from shareholders or governments.

However, many of them have bought credit default swaps or bond insurance from US institutions. Here's where it gets interesting.

Kash Mansori at The Street Light has looked at figures from the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) which show who would be hurt most if a formal default is called.

It's worth noting that once you account for the substantial payouts that US agents will have to make to European creditors in the case of a default by one of the PIGs, financial institutions in the US have roughly as much to lose from default as those in France and Germany. The apparent eagerness of US banks and insurance companies to sell default insurance to European creditors means that they will now have to substantially share in the pain inflicted by a PIG default.

This has some important implications. First, US and European financial institutions are likely to have very different incentives as negotiations regarding debt restructuring and reprofiling proceed. US banks and insurance companies are surely delighted with the "soft restructuring" that is currently being discussed. Such a partial default would probably not trigger default insurance payments, and so the pain would be borne almost exclusively by European institutions.

On the other hand, some time soon it seems likely that European creditors will begin to prefer a "hard restructuring" that would require default insurance payouts from the US institutions that sold such insurance. Given how strikingly one-sided the net default insurance payments will be (from the US to Europe), it's easy to imagine how that could shape future negotiations over debt relief for the PIGs.

So there we have it. The American banks are just as worried about a full Greek default.

9. American bank fears - It seems they were similarly worried when Ireland almost defaulted last year.

Apparently US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner got involved at the last minute to stop a default by Ireland. Morgan Kelly tells the story in his now epic May 7 column in the Irish Times. 

Ireland’s Last Stand began less shambolically than you might expect. The IMF, which believes that lenders should pay for their stupidity before it has to reach into its pocket, presented the Irish with a plan to haircut €30 billion of unguaranteed bonds by two-thirds on average. Lenihan was overjoyed, according to a source who was there, telling the IMF team: “You are Ireland’s salvation.”

The deal was torpedoed from an unexpected direction. At a conference call with the G7 finance ministers, the haircut was vetoed by US treasury secretary Timothy Geithner who, as his payment of US$13 billion from government-owned AIG to Goldman Sachs showed, believes that bankers take priority over taxpayers. The only one to speak up for the Irish was UK chancellor George Osborne, but Geithner, as always, got his way. An instructive, if painful, lesson in the extent of US soft power, and in who our friends really are.

This has since been raised in discussions between the new Irish government and President Obama. The reasons why have since been Wikileaked, Namawinelake points out. HT CreditWritedowns.

Secretary Geithner was concerned that if Ireland refused to repay bank bondholders then, in the words of Britain’s Telegraph “that could have spread contagion to the entire European system, to which American-backed “credit default swaps” were exposed to the tune of €120bn”

10. Totally Greek crisis video - Here's the Taiwanese animation treatment with a twist.

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Same old same old , Bernard ....... nothing new in the world of Gloomsterisation ?

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I found the Greek CDS quirk quite interesting today. Hadn't realised how the Citi/Goldmans/Morgans/AIGs of the world might be hit by a PIG defaulting.

Working hard to bring you over to the dark side Gummy

cheers

Bernard

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There had to be US exposure to the PIIGs defaulting - why else would the US Federal Reserve have been bailing out European banks.

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Indeed, things are looking like heating up in Europe. I too was unaware of the CDS exposure of the US to Europe. Priceless, and you can guarantee the insurers bearing the liability of these instruments haven't accounted for actually having to pay out on these contracts... Having paid out all the premiums as bonuses (if "Inside Job" is anything to judge wall street behaviour by).

Be interesting to see if this one goes over the edge, perhaps another conference call at the last minute from the US of A will fix it all up, thus allowing insurance companies some time to package CDS liabilities up into "investment grade" debt instruments and hock them off to superannuation plans and Asian banks. (too cynical??)

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Cheers Ostrich......good info.

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Gee GBH a mention is dispatches, moving up in the world eh.

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Yeah. BH should ignore everything that's going on and just think happy thoughts.

That  makes the bad things go away.

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If you claim to have haemorrhoids , should I take your word for it , your opinion , or should I insist upon a thorough diagnosis from a clinical physician ? ........

...... it may just be piles of malarkey ,

.. unless I have some proof .

Bernard's stories , are every bit as much a pain in the arse , because they're often opinion , not fact .

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Bernard's stories , are every bit as much a pain in the arse , because they're often opinion , not fact

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GBH.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

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GBH doesn't sway peoples' opinions by presenting to them a daily

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diet of gloomy guss stories created by a bunch of malcontented

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economists .

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Get. Scouring. Pad.

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And here's the Telegraph on Germany vs France over Greece. It helps explain why markets are so unnerved. They see deep divisions within Europe over how to deal with Greece. Mr Market hates a vacuum. HT Andrew J

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/gilts/8578101/Greek-crisis…

In just over a week, Greece is due for its next vital cash injection - a €12bn tranche from the €110bn international bail-out package agreed in May last year.

With everyone but the Greeks convinced that this unlikely to happen, international authorities are scrambling to get a new package in place. Their self-imposed deadline is June 20. But insiders fear that the whole rescue mission will be derailed unless the French and Germans can agree over who pays for it.

The French want Greece to stick to the terms of its debt repayments, even if it means deeper cuts and asset sales at home. They reckon that any form of restructuring will be met by the markets as a default – with potentially tragic consequences not just for Greece but for Ireland, Portugal, Italy and Spain too. The European Central Bank (ECB), led by Jean-Claude Trichet, has long held the same view.

Wolfgang Schauble, the German finance minister, recently broke ranks with an open letter arguing that bondholders should share some of the costs of the bail-out. He said the bonds should roll over and the maturities of the debt be extended for seven years.

Belgium and Spain recoiled at the German's suggestion and sided with France and the ECB.

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Re Germany vs France over Greece the French still think they can hide behind the ECB's skirt but the Germans have become decidedly more hardline of late. They know Greece can't be rescued and are confident that their banks can take the hit after restructuring. Sarkozy is off to Berlin on Friday, there'll be some sort of face-saving compromise for him but the Germans will get their way in the end. This article in the FAZ shows where their thinking's at and caused quite a stir earlier this week (reads quite well with Google translate). And then there's the not so trivial matter of the constitutional court in Karlsruhe presiding over the legality of bail outs on 5 July.

http://www.faz.net/artikel/C30638/schuldenkrise-das-drama-der-solidaritaet-30437984.html

http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/another-broadside-from-frankfurt.html

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They just closed a meat processing factory in Central Hawkes bay, 200 jobs lost more in peak season. Just the beginning as cutting and boning is moved to China, they won't come out and say it but its whats happening. 

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What - we're gong to send carcasses to China???

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That's right Kate...and we're starting with Labour!

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No Wolly , those sorry arsed Labour carcasses are  much too red  even for our Chinese friends to handle .

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Sounds like opinion to me. Where's the proof?

You're such a negative whinging gloomster loser all the time.

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Proof :

The Communist Party of China has given up on socialism , and has  re-accepted capitalism as the only way to raise the living standards of it's citizens .

The Labour Party of New Zealand has given up on capitalism , and has  re-accepted socialism ( the welfare state ) as the only way to raise the living standards of Kiwis .

........ which path appears to be more successful , and which one is just piles of marlarkey ?

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Yeah, let's keep our publicly-outed corrupt fraudster government instead. At least while they still cling to power they can do even more damage. Better the devil you know, right?

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Good for you Malarkey...we knew you'd come over to our side sooner or later...send this man some Gummy Bears Gummy...

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A guy my sister once worked with up stakes and moved to South East Asia "for the lifestyle". Last I heard he was still serving out his time there after being caught sexually molesting small children. Unfortunately the influence of powerful western nations means the country in which he is incarcerated avoids executing criminal foreigners from the "developed world".

So many western child molestors head for SEA. It's horrifying.

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The insinuation that you are making there is utterly repugnant ! That comment is a bloody disgrace . You ought to be ashamed of yourself for having made it .

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Kate, when you buy fresh NZ fish in the supermarket, where do you think it has been processed. It is caught in NZ waters by foreign owned vessels under licence to the NZ owners of the quota. It is caught then frozen and shipped mainly to Korea or China, where it is thawed and then filleted by mainly women, then shipped back to NZ to appear on ice in your super market as fresh NZ fish.

 Some of these fish quota owners have a major shareholding in the NZ meat industry.

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Not entirely true Andrew...... some types of fish maybe but not your blue cod, snapper, tarakihi.........but it is a good reason not to buy fish from the supermarket.

The fish wouldn't be in too good a shape after being processed in China/Korea then being shipped back to NZ after it has been thawed??? Would take a week to get here!

Best place to buy fish from is your local fish munger. Who should be dealing with local fishing boats. Unfortuantely I worked on the deep sea trawlers a few years ago and we caught Orange Roughy, infact we caught all the Orange Roughy, so I am sorry about that!

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One of our sons was on longliners for awhile.  Loved the work at sea but hated the market "system" which governs the industry and produces such behaviour.  Serious exploitation not only of the fisheries resource, but also of the labour resource.  Classic example of perverse incentives IMHO.

 

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Longliners...... now that is proper fishing! Unfortunately the Trawler I was working on just raped the sea floor while we processed the catch in the onboard factory.  45 days out at sea with all the Russian and Asian Fishing boats fighting for the fish.

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Yeah :-) - he loved it.  I had no idea what it was, so he told me to watch Perfect Storm... not a good thing for a mother!  I never got a great deal of good sleep whilst he was away.... and funny, given the demands of the work... neither did he!  :-)

Old style fishing ... it's a very noble profession!

 

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Here's the story

Meat company Ovation New Zealand is closing its lamb boning plant in Waipukurau with a loss of more than 200 jobs.

Managing director Willem Sandberg says the Hawkes' Bay plant, which is 26 years old, is no longer competitive.

He says it costs a lot more to process lamb in Waipukurau than at one of its smaller more modern facilities in Gisborne and Feilding.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/77875/meat-plant-to-close-with-t…

cheers

Bernard

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So we need to see whether the jobs reappear in those locations - somehow I fear not.  That will be a huge blow to Waipukurau.

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Gizzy to the rescue!!

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I wonder whether JK will be asked by Barry to fork out some $ to help prop up the Democrats and keep Barry in his white house.

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Whisper it.........but the Aussie stockmarket (or at least the main ASX index) hit 4,976 in early April - it is now down nearly 500 points since then and is just 10 points or so shy of showing a 10% decline which is technically a 'correction'. Makes ya think...........

PS - the HSI (Hong Kong) is now WELL into correction territory.....

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The market looks forward , and is probably anticipating a slow-down in GDP growth . ECRI figures show a soft patch ahead , but not a full recession .

.... as a long horizon investor , a little letting off of steam is a good thing in a long trend upwards ....

Had the market continued it's upwards stratospheric trajectory after the March 2009 nadir , I'd be really worried now . But we've had a few corrections , which indicates no foaming bubble in the world's stockmarkets , over all .

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Good work on the CDS links to the US Finanical Institutions Bernard. Very useful information when it comes to assessing the safety of our banks.

Given that how hard are the yanks going to fight to prevent default, and how long before they run out of room to manoeuvre and it becomes inevitable?

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FYI even the US military is planning for the end of oil

http://cleantechnica.com/2011/06/15/new-study-confirms-u-s-military-is-…

 

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Hey Berno, re #1 Chris Martenson's offering,

The basic premis of his argument is that as with any debt back currency, given that money is borrowed into existence and the interest portion doesn't exist to pay back, hence that has to be borrowed into existence too, an exponential function occurs whereby there will always be an end game when the debt is too great for the economy to function.  

Therefore a collapse is eneviatable with any fiat currency.  And we are fast approching the end of this one.

Can you speak to this, can you dispute this? Anyone?

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Michael Pettis has an excellent column here on national savings rates.

He makes this great point.

Countries whose currencies are sharply undervalued tend to have very high savings rates, and those with overvalued currencies tend to have low savings rates.  This isn’t a coincidence.  The relative value of the currency can have a direct impact on the differential between household income growth and GDP growth, and if it does, by definition it must affect the level of savings.

http://mpettis.com/2011/06/how-to-become-virtuous-and-save-more/

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Here's the BBC's Paul Mason on the ground in Athens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13783420

There is a social crisis under way and I think it is different from the one our history books teach us to expect. It's not like the cracking of the state, or mass unrest, but simply that the Greek state - whose reach was never far into society - is beginning to lose its grip slightly on the actual functions a state should do.

It cannot decide its economic policy; it can't convince its own people of any good intent; the rule of law is imposed hard here - with the impounding of yachts bought through tax evasion - only to break down somewhere else, as people begin to pledge non-payment of bills for the privatised utilities.

Greek people I have spoken to are beginning to express things in terms of nation and sovereignty - and this makes the Greek situation different, for now, to Ireland and Portugal.

While the centre right New Democracy would probably win any snap election, it is hard to find support for pro-austerity politics among ND's natural support base, the business class. Because austerity for them means getting hammered with a tax bill the like of which they have never dreamed, nor indeed paid.

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Now second quarter GDP in America looks like being as bad as the first

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/the-great-g-d-p-disappointment/

Today’s news is no exception; after a major bummer of an inflation reportMacroeconomic Advisers, the highly respected forecasting firm, lowered its annualized second quarter G.D.P. forecast to 1.9 percent.

For reference, when the quarter began, Macroeconomic Advisers was expecting 3.5 percent growth. And way back in February, the firm was projecting 4.4 percent.

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Can you go home now , Hickey  ....... Ye gads you're a depressing sod !

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Labour's share of national income in America is collapsing.

http://www.frumforum.com/incredible-shrinking-workers-income

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And Kenneth Rogoff reckons America may have to a resort to an IMF bailout within a few years:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/opinion/16rogoff.html

The United States is a potential customer if it continues for another 10 or 15 years to neglect its soaring debt burden.

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Do we really think the IMF will be around in 10 - 15 years?

I reckon it will implode along with the rest of the global finance fraternity.

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Kate - no, and I agree with you.  This is more likely:

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2011/06/bridge-to-somewhere.html

He3's had a couple of goodies lately. Lays it on soft, then offers the antidote.

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..... it would be a far happier & prosperous world if the IMF / the EU / and the UN all disappeared , and let folks get on with their lives , sans the bureaucratic machine dictating orders to them .

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A pure unsupported opinon (ie with evidence) Great things the UN do like Peace keeping....saves lives....reduces misery.....yeah they are far from perfect, but the advantages outweigh the dis-advantages by far.

In terms of the IMF/dicators, well we have had 30 years of a right wing/libertarian experiment and its failed 99% of the ppl and brought us to the edge of the greatest Depression in recorded history...and now those same loony Pollies that are the Republican party and neoclassical economists embedded in central banks throughout thw world are determined to tip us into it....

On balance I'd much rather have bureaucrats in my life than bankers...and what you want to see will see the world ruled by an un-acccountable financial elite.....

No thanks.

regards

 

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Maybe thats why Hillary wants the IMF top job....

realistically though the IMF gets its money from member states....the IMF only has so much money....and I'll bet with Hilary in charge the IMF would become a free for all cookie jar for America.

regards

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Steven realistically... 

1/ THE IMF IS AN AGENCY OF THE UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th edition Pg 816)

2/ THE US HAS NOT HAD A TREASURY SINCE 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 Page 654)

3/ THE US TREASURY IS NOW THE IMF. (PRESIDENTIAL documents volume 29 - no4 page 113 22 US Corporation 285 - 288)

All documented...

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GBH, it's the News and it is what it is...if you don't like it, don't read it!

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Strictly speaking , alot of it isn't actual news per se , but just the depressive opinions of economists whom , alike Hickey , aren't really happy unless they're sad .

....... But the Gummy one likes to throw a bit of bait out , berley the water a little , seeking a bite ....

... so how's life in Japan then ?

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DC -

Mr Archer added: "Ongoing muted wage growth is bad news for workers who continue to suffer appreciable real income declines.

"This reinforces the belief that consumer spending will be muted over the coming months."
Sir Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England warned in a speech in January that real wages this year "are likely to be no higher than they were in 2005".

Good news for whom?

 

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re Greece - the Nats ought to think on this:

"as people begin to pledge non-payment of bills for the privatised utilities".

I was thinking we'd have to Nationalise, as with Rail, but that'll do as an opening gambit. Makes the buy-back cheaper, at any rate.

Bill English wanted to establish something that couldn't be undone - only problem is that the horse has already bolted.

 

 

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Haha like the concept.

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here's a great article (so relevant to NZ) c/o Macrobusiness c/o PhilBest:

 

http://www.dailyreckoning.co.uk/economic-forecasts/the-mystery-of-britains-missing-recession.html 

 

 

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GBH, I hear you, and I must be honest and say your comments often give me a chuckle.

Sadly, I am back in Christchurch living in my broken house in the broken 'hood, however life goes on!

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FYI from the IEA on oil demand and likely oil prices.

Consumption will increase to 95.3 million barrels a day in 2016 from 88 million barrels a day in 2010, with China accounting for about 41 percent of the gain, the Paris-based adviser to oil-consuming nations said in its Medium-Term Oil Market Report today.

Global oil consumption will increase 1.2 million barrels a day, or 1.3 percent, annually over the next five years, the IEA said. That’s 700,000 a day more than the agency’s last forecast for 2010 to 2015 in December and will leave a “fairly thin” cushion of spare production capacity, it predicted.

The group raised its price assumption by $15 to $20 a barrel from last year’s report. It expects nominal oil prices to stay above $100 a barrel for the next five years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-16/iea-boosts-2016-oil-demand-forecast-says-100-crude-is-a-threat-to-growth.html

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Good for those invested in oil, bad for the world, as I can't see world production reaching 95 million barrels per day when existing fields are depleting at around 7% pa. The IEA doesn't have a very good track record on predictions.

Instructive 12 min video from the ABC for those who have not yet seen it.

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3201781.htm

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OMG - In 'Tintin and the Shooting Star', there a Professor Phostle. He runs the observatory. Tells Tintin "I have worked out that the meteor will obliterate the earth, and exactly when. I, Phostle, will become famous".

As an 8-year-old, I could see the flaw. Your 'invest in oil' comment is identically flawed.

Think about it.

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OK when you reach 9 it may be worth your while to read something more substantial, classical history perhaps?

  When Tarquin was approached by the Cumaean Sibyl, she offered him nine books of prophecy at an exorbitant price. Tarquin refused abruptly, and the Sibyl proceeded to burn three of the nine. She then offered him the remaining books, but at the same price. Tarquin hesitated, but refused again. The Sibyl then burned three more books and again offered Tarquin the three remaining Sibylline Books at the original price. At last Tarquin accepted.[18] As the Sibylline Books were housed in the fortress temple of Jupiter, their legend has been associated with him.

So according to you ,those who stand to make money out of surging oil prices should really just be sitting on their backsides waiting for a comet and the rest of you thermogeddonsistas should just plug away at your mortgages while your properties devalue and dream of the day you can buy that bit of land to grow spuds and feijoas. There just might be a better way.

 

Think about it.

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weird.....

books == oil?

If so there is no mention of the cost to produce the book...and our society needs no worse than 1 barrel of oil to extract 10....anything less and it simply wont function.

There might be a better way, Nope maths...engineering, laws of physics....its going to be very rough....

regards

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Double post for some reason.

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If you can make money trading oil then of course you should. Cash acquired now (by whatever means) can be used to pay down debt etc. Although as I am sure you are only too aware oil is not a one way bet. One imagines we will get a saw tooth pattern of oil prices as recession knocks the price down only to be followed by pseudo-recovery. Rather like 2008-now repeated again and again. We are not yet at the stage where the oil price is a one way bet upwards (at least I dont think so).

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I dont think it ever will stay up....the price will collapse to what ppl can afford and then rise slowly until it chokes them off again...and collapse....at some stage though and I think it will be surprisingly quick, (inside 20 years I think) oil companies will be going bankrupt. The costs to get more will be so horrendous they simply wont........the state will then have to prop them up in order to get some oil....

regards

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Actually, no....Im not so sure its that flawed compared to any other strategy for the next few years.  Consider that the world cannot do without oil.....so the world will pay as much as it can. Now I admit that may not be very much as times, but its looking better than many other "investments" IMHO. In the longer term big oil companies have probably 2 decades....maybe 3....then I suspect whats left will be small players....but Im not so sure on them either the costs to drill are horrendious....its a very risky business as we well know. 

regards

 

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http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-03-04/future-oil-supply-chan…

an excerpt:

"The IEA has raised its assumed efficiency gain in oil use from 2% to 3% per annum"

Doesn't gel with that Staniford graph........

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PDK

Don't ypu find it interesting that the relate everything back to the abstract ie GDP/Money. The fact that it takes more energy to 'produce' GDP in a world of global cheap labour and harder to extract resources doesn't surprise me, Sometimes Staniford disppoints me, he cant see the wood for the trees

Neven

 

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Yes - but Staniford is good as a mirror - you can go on down the track sometimes too far without some kind of audit/reality-check/ peer review. And he's scrupulously honest with his presentations, even if he doesn't join the dots.

Your first comment is on the money     :)

All these folk who try and calculate the 'value' of the real, using an artificial construct which wholly depends on that 'real'  for it's existence.

 

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Any increase in coal as a share of fuel will automatically lead to lower efficiency simply because of the lower process temperatures. In the case of power generation:

Eg Coal fired power station  ~  36 %

GT  ~  43 % single cycle  55 % Combined cycle

 

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And our PM thinks lignite is the way go.

Go figure.

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My invention for increasing the efficiency of wood burners has a specific part of the design that will decrease some of the losses in flame temperature, getting it closer to adiabatic. I have designed it for biomass, but this might be another application for it.

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Good luck with that initiative - sounds very useful as I predict a return to wood fuel for heating from the more recent heatpump craze.

 

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Heat pumps are okay, but should be used to heat a thermal mass.

I hope Bernard doesn't mind. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=383608678

Still very early days for me on this.

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Hey scarfie, saved the TM listing and would be very interested, but I think one really important point about the product is getting it certified/approved such that its addition ensures that the Code of Compliance for the installation of the fire is not voided.  If such a modification had the potential to void the CoC, then insurance in the event of a fire would not pay out.  If we purchased, we would have it installed by one of the approved member installers (a requirement of our council to get a CoC);

http://www.nzhha.co.nz/Default.aspx?CCID=645&FID=7019&ID=/searchresult 

Have you been in touch with this association - as you will likely need to get some form of approval from them for this type of modification?

 

 

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Heat pump craze is right Kate.  I have spoken to several elderly renters whose landlords saw fit to put in a heat pump instead of replacing the wood fire.  In all cases these folks weren't using their heat pumps as it costs them too much in electricity to keep their home heated. (Remember elderly usually feel the cold more). One said that family previously supplied the firewood for her. So they just rug up or spend most of their time in bed in order to keep warm.  Rising electricity costs make the cost of running a heat pump quite expensive for some.

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They are cash eaters CO....great to lower temps in the stinking summer heat though...I'm putting in wood burners...and bugger the pinky greens.

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I get anecdotal evidence of this type all the time and it is explained easily by understanding physiology.

Humans prefer radiated heat. Simple. But it goes further as we also have a narrow range of air movement we prefer also. Blowing hot air around is not actually that nice.

Now if we receive radiated heat, it gives us the impression that the air is 5-10°C warner than it actually is.

Notice how radiators are always under windows. By putting up a thermal curtain and stopping the cold radiating in the window, we feel like the room is actually warmer than it is.

I must say I am odds with some of my lecturers over the use of heat pumps. Oh and incandescent lighting:)

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Yep 'the draft' they cause is also mentioned Scarfie.  Those pumps placed closer to floor level don't seem to get that comment as much.

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"pinky greens"

Wood isnt coal....all you are doing is returning co2 that isnt that old back to co2.....if you [re-]plant fast growing trees to replace the old for firewood the net is about zero...considering there are far more damaging co2 emitters you have my permission to continue.

;]

regards

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Oh how oarfully kind of you steven...I find it burns even better if I soak the wood in old sump oil.

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very good

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Did you know ( Gummie's " Party Piece " for the day ) that if the US of A was to get all of it's energy needs supplied by trees alone ( clean & green , good so far ! ) , it would require a forest with a land area equal to Pakistan & India , combined ...... ah , not so good !

...... Get up the technological pole , Wolly , and start burning truckloads of coal 'like the rest of us do .

It is good for the environment ! ...... let the wild creatures keep their precious trees , they belong to the birds , bugs , bees , smelly-ratty things , steven ............

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 An early Friday joke:

Why does America waste millions for the next presidential election the 6th of November 2012, when in fact Hu Jintua is already elected.

 Read some of the story here:

 http://www.idahostatesman.com/china/

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Another BS ( bloody splendid ) thumbs-up for you , me old chum !

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Ok everyone, you might as well indulge in your favourite pleasure. Because judging by all the above doomsday material, planet Earth is due to implode any second now...... 

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...... she's a gonna implode , any second now , MikeM ......... just a matter of time ......... yup , here it comes ....... the end of life-the-universe-and everything ........ just a tick more ......... moments away ......a maelstrom of hickeynesian  doom ........soon , very very soon .......... ummm , wanna Gummy Bear whilst we wait ? ........

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Yep and Bernard and co have just ordered a Black Hole to make sure the job is done properly. It's just eaten a star that also had economic issues. Read about it here:http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/technology/9657030/black-hole-shreds-star-sparking-gamma-ray-flash/ 

 

 

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Nought

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 "We are at a crucial time right now. Everything is signaling deflation although gold and silver did manage gains today. What happens now will define what happens in the stock market over the next year and maybe even the next decade. The Fed can only print and yet QE1 And QE2 have proven that printing is no solution. The next round of quantitative easing, assuming there is one, will have a very short life span. Every one should know that by now and it only serve to kick the can a little further down the road. There are certain factions in Congress that want to force the issue and if they succeed in stopping further increases in the debt ceiling, we'll fall into an immediate a deep depression. None of this would even be an issue if Sir Alan Greenspan had simply left the markets to its own devices fifteen years ago, but he didn't and here we are. I actually hope the US defaults and reality sinks in. Maybe they'll kick all the bastards responsible for this out of Washington and we'll see a real government and a return to real values. We'll know soon enough."

 http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article28708.html

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"gains today".....thats the point...too many ppl thinking they are making "gains" day to day to see next week....finally marketoracle see's the deflation and depression risk as likely, only 2 mayge 3 years too late....our Pollies of course are even slower.

regards

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I haven't been reading that long, but my gut feeling for six or seven years now has been depression and deflation.

Interesting that he sees the PM's declining, whereas with recent slumps in the S&P500 & EURUSD PM's have stayed flat. I wonder if the safe haven in case of financial system/bank failures will see it hold.

Otherwise cash will be king methinks.

There may yet be another last gasp effort to save Greece, but time is running out.

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 bloody keyboard

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 rats

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Greece is a bloody mess, read what Mish has to say

 

 

Current Sorry State of Greek Affairs
 

  1. Greece did not meet the IMF's criteria for more aid
  2. The Greek government is collapsing
  3. The Greek prime minister threatened to resign
  4. An emergence meeting of the Greek Parliament could not gather support for more austerity measures
  5. An emergency meeting of EU ministers produced "no results". The EU has no consensus about what to do
  6. Two-year interest rates in Greece topped 30%
  7. Germany wants bond holders to take a haircut, France does not
  8. Greek unions are on strike
  9. Riots and violence have escalated
  10. Credit default swaps are pricing in an 80% chance of default
  11.  
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/   >>>>>>>    Im sorry but the more I read the more Im convinced of deflation and most must suspect the same as the rush to pay down debt continues to build, if they thought inflation was coming they would be borrowing.  They can only create inflation if they can get people to borrow and then there is the compounding interest on the credit. Credit may behave like money and it may need real money to pay it back but its not real money its debt which our house of cards is built on and our government is determined to add to. Ive lived through the 80,s had a business paid the %18 interest up to my 30k limit and then %24 on anything over, Ive seen inflation and this is not it, this is a totaly different animal, its all about debt destruction and the cold hand of capitalism, and the government is going to make it worse. Our disposable income is being destroyed, in the 80's I had costs to income of %30 today its over %80 a very different situation I have no fat left, I have to cut to the bone.
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The world must just about be set. The Greek ldefault lead-time must be enough by now? We, they, everyone knows they are 'going to go'; so the banks; Governments and masses have taken whatever preemptive actions they need to. The Stock markets have been re-inflated enough for those that need to to 'get out' ( the Glencore float being the indicator, to me), and now the economic medicine can be taken.

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What really counts for NZ is our oil import dependency.  Its 97% and there is no plan to lower it. 

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Of course not.....the National Govn like the Labour Govn before it has it all under.....uh....control.....or in other words their heads are firmly planted in the sand all the way up to their Assh*les.... If they were to admit to this, what exactly have they got left to offer the voter? both are banking on never ending growth.....in this inevitable declining scenario, neither can deliver.

In terms of 97% we could actually swap light for the heavier....they ship a tanker full of hvy, empty it here and we fill it back up and ship it back.....I would suppose that is what happens now anyway.

Bio-deisel, labour missed the opportunity to kick start some tallow to bio plants here.....we will all live to regret it  I suspect.

regards

 

 

 

 

 

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From Oftwominds blog.

Diabetes Financial Syndrome

 

As I have noted here before, the next round of QE (quantitative easing) will fail to inflate the stock market regardless of its size or tricks. The fact that QE3 is needed will spook everyone who understands that it is a last-ditch effort to keep the Status Quo financialization from imploding, and since QE2's sugar-high was so brief, others will be spooked by the possibility that the next high will be even shorter.

This is the dreaded Diabetes Financial Syndrome--the Fed is pouring ever larger amounts of financial insulin into the system, but the financial "body" no longer responds to this insulin. The financial system then goes into toxic shock and implodes.

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"It is time to face the music; the levels of indebtedness now require permanent support from thin-air money in order to avoid a deflationary collapse."

yep and how long can that go on for?

regards

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"On the other hand, some time soon it seems likely that European creditors will begin to prefer a "hard restructuring" that would require default insurance payouts from the US institutions that sold such insurance. Given how strikingly one-sided the net default insurance payments will be (from the US to Europe), it's easy to imagine how that could shape future negotiations over debt relief for the PIGs."

So it is in many creditors interest for Greece to default.....of course just how the US banks pay up is another matter....

regards

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Hey no worries you lot...there's heaps of fuel on that other blue planet out there...liquid methane...all we need is long hose....harrrrrrrrrrhahahaha  urg splot.

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another 151 jobs go in ChCh

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10731926

hasn't been a good week for jobs - poor souls

but of course, this is just an aberration in our strong economic recovery

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