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Friday's Top 10 at 10 with NZ Mint: Greenspan blames the useless yoof; Gold standard returning; Chinese housing declared a bubble; Guaranteed to bail/fail; Dilbert

Friday's Top 10 at 10 with NZ Mint: Greenspan blames the useless yoof; Gold standard returning; Chinese housing declared a bubble; Guaranteed to bail/fail; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 6 pm in association with NZ Mint.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

America is broke. So is Europe. China seems to be the only hope. Yet its housing market is a bubble waiting to burst.
 How is this all going to end?

1. Brokeback mountain - America's debate over the debt ceiling is getting ugly.

But Americans have been here before.

39 times.

That's how often it has been raised before and under both Presidents.

It still beggars belief that the world's biggest economy is less than three weeks away from defaulting and the politicians are still a long way apart.

The bond markets still believe a deal will be reached.

The result is unthinkable if America defaults.

2. Greenspan blames the young - BusinessInsider reports Former Federal Reserve Chairman Allan Greenspan says the youth of today are getting paid less because they aren't as skilled as their baby boomer parents.

He suggests America simply import the skilled staff.

Baby boomers are being replaced by groups of young workers who have regrettably scored rather poorly in international educational match-ups over the last two decades. The average income of U.S. households headed by 25-year-olds and younger has been declining relative to the average income of the baby boomer population.

This is a reasonably good indication that the productivity of the younger part of our workforce is declining relative to the level of productivity achieved by the retiring baby boomers. This raises some major concerns about the productive skills of our future U.S. labor force.

2. So what might it look like? - Robert Peston at the BBC takes a stab at what contagion from a Greek default might look like. It's not pretty, although he does detail some solutions.

The worst case chain reaction from Greek default, whether orderly or disorderly, would probably go like this: a heightened perceived risk of default by the other two bailed-out nations, Ireland and Greece; an increase in expected losses for banks exposed to the financially over-stretched troika of Greece, Ireland and Portugal; a potentially devastating funding or liquidity crisis for banks if providers of wholesale finance decide to shun eurozone banks; a potentially devastating funding or liquidity crisis for Italy and Spain, if lenders decide to shun those economies regarded as next most at risk; default by Italy and/or Spain, sparking losses for banks and a new credit crunch that tips the global economy back into recession or worse.

These are massive, real dominoes that are wobbling and could fall at any time. But they don't have to tumble: the eurozone has the ability to insert dampeners, buffers and defences so that, as and when Greece defaults, the reverberations are uncomfortable rather than calamitous.

3. China warns the US - The NYTimes points out the country with the most to lose from a US default is China. Now it's warning the Americans to do the right thing.

On Thursday, Ben S. Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, repeated a warning that a “huge financial calamity” would occur if President Obama and the Republicans could not agree on a budget deal that allowed the debt ceiling to be raised.

The authorities in Beijing added their voice of concern Thursday, though in more muted terms.

“We hope that the U.S. government adopts responsible policies and measures to guarantee the interests of investors,” Hong Lei, a foreign ministry spokesman, said in response to questions about the Moody’s report.

4. Break up the big banks - Washington writes at The Big Picture that the Big US Banks need to be broken up before they drag down the global economy.

Too right

Here's the thinking.

Now, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and many other European countries – as well as the U.S. and Japan – are facing serious debt crises. We are no longer wealthy enough to keep bailing out the bloated banks.

Indeed, the top independent experts say that the biggest banks are insolvent (see this, for example), as they have been many times before. By failing to break up the giant banks, the government will keep taking emergency measures (see this and this) to try to cover up their insolvency. But those measures drain the life blood out of the real economy.

And by failing to break them up, the government is guaranteeing that they will take crazily risky bets again and again, and the government will wrack up more and more debt bailing them out in the future.

5. It's official - Economists Christian Dreger and Yanqun Zhang have looked at the data and conclude there is a bubble in house prices in China.

For a while now, analysts have been arguing there is a bubble in China’s property market. Using records from 35 major cities this column finds evidence of a housing bubble. It compares house prices to cointegrated fundamentals and finds that property in China is in general overvalued by around 20% – and even more so in the boom towns.

6. An ugly polarisation - Bloomberg reports the debt ceiling debate is being complicated by the increasing polarisation of US politics. The rhetoric from both sides suggests they'll never agree to a debt ceiling increase before August 2.

As President Barack Obama works for a bipartisan deal to raise the government’s debt ceiling, both the Republicans wanting to replace him and Democrats seeking the best way to re-elect him have emerged as obstacles.

Republican presidential candidates and Democratic activists alike are using the debate to sharpen their political messages and appeal to core supporters, complicating efforts to reach a compromise to avert a possible government default on Aug. 2.

“Both parties are set in concrete on what they believe their base has to have, and that makes it very difficult to find any middle ground,” said former Representative Charles Stenholm, a Texas Democrat who focused on reining in the federal budget as a lawmaker.

7. The return of the gold standard - Ambrose Evans Pritchard writes at The Telegraph about the rise in the gold price to record highs as confidence in the euro and US dollar as reserve currencies ebbs away amid debt crises and money printing.

"It is very scary: the flight to gold is accelerating at a faster and faster speed," said Peter Hambro, chairman of Britain's biggest pure gold listing Petropavlovsk.

"One of the big US banks texted me today to say that if QE3 actually happens, we could see gold at $5,000 and silver at $1,000. I feel terribly sorry for anybody on fixed incomes tied to a fiat currency because they are not going to be able to buy things with that paper money."

China, Russia, Brazil, India, the Mid-East petro-powers have diversified their $7 trillion reserves into euros over the last decade to limit dollar exposure. As Europe's monetary union itself faces an existential crisis, there is no other safe-haven currency able to absorb the flows. The Swiss franc, Canada's loonie, the Aussie, and Korea's won are too small.

"There is no depth of market in these other currencies, so gold is the obvious play," said Neil Mellor from BNY Mellon.

He then talks about a 'new gold standard'.

Step by step, the world is edging towards a revived Gold Standard as it becomes clearer that Japan and the West have reached debt saturation. World Bank chief Robert Zoellick said it was time to "consider employing gold as an international reference point." The Swiss parliament is to hold hearings on a parallel "Gold Franc". Utah has recognised gold as legal tender for tax payments.

A new Gold Standard would probably be based on a variant of the 'Bancor' proposed by Keynes in the late 1940s. This was a basket of 30 commodities intended to be less deflationary than pure gold, which had compounded in the Great Depression. The idea was revived by China's central bank chief Zhou Xiaochuan two years ago as a way of curbing the "credit-based" excess.

Mr Bernanke himself was grilled by Congress this week on the role of gold. Why do people by gold? "As protection against of what we call tail risks: really, really bad outcomes," he replied.

Indeed.

8. Guaranteed to fail - Jon Stewart interviews the author of a book called Guaranteed to Fail about the fall of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Matthew Richardson likens America's economic collapse to the aftermath caused by a battle between Godzilla and King Kong in downtown Tokyo.

9. Totally Clarke and Dawe - They do their thing on the latest Greek crisis.

10. Totally all about the debt ceiling with Jon Stewart.

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Greenspan is typical of the posturing of those who think they're big, but aren't. Under it all, they're little folk who can't shoulder blame. Seems to go with the need to aquire wealth - presumably both are tied into feelings of inadequacy.

There's nothing wrong with the youth of today, but way back there were less specalised jobs. You could walk in to a factory, pick up what it was about, and retire as the General Manager - and liked by all as you went.

Now automation and outsourcing to slave-wage countries have eliminated those places.

Youth have to guess what expertise will be needed (how you do that with no experience, I don't know - maybe that's why all those marketing grads) and get it along with a debt.

It's not their fault. It's the fault of the Greenspans of the world, who cherry-picked everything they could, hit the peak, and left the kids the worst.

Essentially, he's just demonstrating his own immaturity - ironical really.

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Gold standard?

Not too much different from an energy standard - in that we are tagged to a finite reference.

Don't think Martyh's painting will be worth as much as now, either way. Perhaps he could chip the gilt off the frame.

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PDK , talk of a return to the gold standard is just talk, you have stated why that is.

Which sedges into the obvious question. "if not a money backed currency then what" ?

Perhaps the answer can be found using. , problem , reaction , solution.

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I think the powers that be will continue to kick the can, and when that doesn't work, there might be a general debt amnesty - it's all they can do, there's no way back to global surplus on a dwindling calorific supply.

Hard to imagine what that will do the cognitively-held 'values' of everything. Probably by then, essentials will be the only things prized, and the corporates who are seen as monopoly gatekeepers (Nestle, Kraft, Monsanto etc) will be protest targets.

One suspects there will be credits issued, based on energy or carbon. A good read is the 'Carbon Diaries'

http://vulpeslibris.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/the-carbon-diaries-2015-by-saci-lloyd/

It's in two volumes and aimed at teenagers, but worth the read. I think Johnny Depp bid for the rights, but missed out.

Whether folk have enough credits over to apply them to acquiring paintings is anyone's guess....

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I think things will go on until they cant, when confidence is inevitably lost in currencies, a decline will be rapid chaotic and then a "reset" will occur. 

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With an energy standard there is no way to hold a government to account for debasing its currency.    

With a gold standard standard, currency is convertible to gold at a bank, by anyone who has currency and wishes to exchange it for gold.  

You cant go into a bank with currency and ask them to charge a battery, liter of petrol or sack of coal.
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I suspect the relative weightings of currencies might be a minor concern at that point.....

And I suspect that beyond growth, you don't have banks.

At least - not the kind we know now.

It's an interesting comparison - but I think relating it to energy wins. The reason is that the work do-able will reduce, and therefore sotoo will the goods and services produced.

Gold has peaked, supply-wise; but we can anticipate further extraction, say another 30-40% of what we have circulating now.

That means that you are looking at an emptying store, concurrently with an increase in gold. One driver will be too much gold into too little product, the other of course is that the demand (for goods/services) will be exceeding  the supply by a goodly margin.

I suspect the disenfranchised may just break the shop-window, and short-circuit the transaction. Irrelevantly - the shop will be worth diddly-squat, while the window-breaker can still be charged a CGT.                           :)

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Yes ha ha, so pdown, how long do you think I have to get my guns, gold, garden, and god sorted? How long do you reckon?

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Quick better jump on the gold train, looks like it's leaving the station. Obama is coming up short...
AJEnglish US debt talk stalemate continues http://aje.me/pJD2UN

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Depends if you believe in inflation, or deflation, Im the latter, so gold isnt the best bet....but fill your boots.

regards

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drjonathanwilson

3 hours ago

 

Fiat money's achilles heel is continuous fiscal deficits. Fiat money dies when big, bigger, biggest goverment spending kills the private goose that lays the golden eggs. 

The bankruptcy of the state is in the end reflected in the bankruptcy of its economy and the economy is the basis by which fiat money draws its validity.

Fiat money is superior to the gold standard as it allows for  sustainable growth and wealth accumulation at a rate impossible to achieve with a gold standard - provided state spending relative to income is managed responsibly and ethically. 

Therefore it is perhaps due to the nature of mankind (the corruption of the open public purse) that such a fiat system has a finite lifespan and needs renewal from time to time.  

The gold standard is a poor substitute for what can be achieved with properly managed fiat money.

Jonathan

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/86386…

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Whooh there cowboy,

A debt back currency REQUIRES exponential growth in an economy, (which is impossible on an ongoing scale).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY -the most important video you will ever see.

With a gold standard if the economy grows faster than money supply, products will slowly reduce in price.

Theoretically, a fiat currency will ALWAYS collapse, a mathematical certainty.

The debt attached to new money creation will always outpace the money supply itself untill the point it can not be paid off then POP!

"The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." - Edward Teller

 

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Aj -

"Fiat money is superior to the gold standard as it allows for  sustainable growth and wealth accumulation"

Stop that man right there.

There is no such thing as sustainable growth. As Chris Martenson points out, anything that can end, will.

http://www.thefullwiki.org/Exponential_growth

an excerpt:

  • The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function Albert A. Bartlett, physicist
  • Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. w:Kenneth Boulding, economist
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Indeed, Peak coal in the UK in 1913....it peaked and despite WW1 and sending troops down the mines they never got it bak up....and today, no coal.

regards

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Interestingly he gets Peak Oil, AGW and China....

regards

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Thomas Jefferson coming back and saying "I told you so " would be up there with the AB's winning back the cup wouldnt it?

 

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A third reason Fitzroy was replaced was because he insisted on the Treaty of Waitangi being followed, especially the bit about the Crown having first purchase right for land.  There was a very  very long period after that when the Treaty was ignored and contravened.

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 "Greenspan says the youth of today are getting paid less because they aren't as skilled as their baby boomer parents"......he has my vote...harrrrhaha

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European stress tests: banks set for 'chaos Monday' after nine fail European banks are set for a day of “chaos” on Monday as investors and analysts derided the latest round of industry stress tests as “inadequate”. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/8641514…    

RBS

Core tier 1 ratio 6.3pc
Deferred tax assets €10.2bn 
(at 2012 in adverse scenario)

Net sovereign debt exposures 
Greece €1.15bn 
Ireland €402m
Italy €4.6bn
Portugal €208m
Spain €379m

 

Lloyds

Core tier 1 ratio 7.7pc
Deferred tax assets €9.7bn
(at 2012 in adverse scenario)

Net sovereign debt exposures
Greece 0
Ireland 0
Italy €32m
Portugal 0
Spain €62m

 

Barclays

Core tier 1 ratio 7.3pc
Deferred tax assets €6.2bn
(at 2012 in adverse scenario)

Net sovereign debt exposures
Greece €93m
Ireland €407m
Italy €2.9bn
Portugal €1.17bn
Spain €5.5bn

 

HSBC

Core tier 1 ratio 8.5pc
Deferred tax assets €3bn 
(at 2012 in adverse scenario)

Net sovereign debt exposures
Greece €919m
Ireland €134m
Italy €3.86bn
Portugal €320m
Spain €636m

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LBG which includes Halifax & BOS had Irish exposure of about 140bn late last year, Interesting.

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Prepare for the fun. Word's out that Bernanke has given up on his dream of saving the US economy and his job, by printing money...which invites an answer to "who will buy the US Treasury IOUs?"

Not without a spike in the return for sure...which means credit will cost more.

Or the too big to jail banks will release the loot they have tucked up at the Fed..which means the MI goes up...and we all know what that means...and the Fed is forced to raise the rate to suck it back..but how high can it go!

Of course higher credit costs slams employment...oops.

It also bashes property mortgage holders...wooops.

And ....when Bill has to roll over the loans...!

 

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You were kidding about his job right ? I'm sure he won't be on the food stamps too soon.
His crew look after their own.
You mean if this happens then Nz got a big problem eh ?

Conspiracies Wolly , these are not the droids we're looking for.

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Simple, you are wrong.

regards

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Whats wrong Steven ?

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"Prepare for the fun. Word's out that Bernanke has given up on his dream of saving the US economy and his job, by printing money..."

Yet he hinted strongly that if needed QE3 would happen....therefore Wally is wrong.

"Not without a spike in the return for sure...which means credit will cost more." In a credit event no one lends....so it is more likely to dry up at any price...this is a deflation event caused by ecessive debt.

"Or the too big to jail banks will release the loot they have tucked up at the Fed..which means the MI goes up...and we all know what that means...and the Fed is forced to raise the rate to suck it back..but how high can it go!"

Lend to who?  US corps dont need it, US housing is tanking....and they wont, they need the capital to stay solvent.....so Wolly is wrong...

"Of course higher credit costs slams employment...oops."

This isnt an inflation event its a deflation event....so wolly is wrong.

"It also bashes property mortgage holders...wooops."  Not in terms of interest rates, worst case we see a very short term spike just before the main deflationary event....then the debt will kill ppl who lose income, ie they cannot service it. Wolly is at most right but for the wrong reason....

And ....when Bill has to roll over the loans...!

Indeed....with our collapsing GDP that might become a big issue....or we might get credit reasonably as we are seen as still viable......Wolly is at most right but for the wrong reason....

regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Most likely event from hereon in;  

-More money printing

-People understand that their money and investments with returns denominated in $US are not going to be worth as much at some point in the future.

-People exchange their money and investments with returns denominated in $US for anything else that will hold its value.

-A premium will be demanded to accept  $US and yield on bonds increase.

-Confidence is lost in the $US.

-More money printing/ increased deficit spending will ensue.

-It will feed on itself and hyperinflation will take off.

-Currency collapse, chaos.

-A reset will happen, some kind of new currency will come into effect life will carry on at a much lower standard of living for the west.

Any deflation will be met with at least the equivalent top-up of money printing.

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