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Thursday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: The history of debt jubilees and bans on usury; 'If Italy goes God help us all'; Budget austerity and riots go hand in hand; Dilbert

Thursday's Top 10 with NZ Mint: The history of debt jubilees and bans on usury; 'If Italy goes God help us all'; Budget austerity and riots go hand in hand; Dilbert

Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 5 pm in association with NZ Mint.

I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.

I'll pop the extras into the comment stream. See all previous Top 10s here.

Sometimes I wish the news would stop...but it is darn interesting...

1. The Human History of Debt - Anthropologist and author of "Debt: the first 5,000 years" David Graeber has written an excellent blog at WSJ about the history of debt and how society got by for most of history with credit systems that weren't backed by coinage.

They depended on other virtues such as honour and the ability of kings to erase debts to protect debtors, rather than creditors.

It's a fascinating read.

The ultimate conclusion is that institutions are needed to protect debtors and to wipe out unpayable debts, rather than insist on protecting creditors by driving borrowers into slavery.

This casts a light on the core issue at the heart of this financial crisis: the tension (or maybe the lack of tension) between private bankers and politicians.

Bankers want to enforce the rights of lenders to eventually be repaid in full, even if this is never realistically possible.

Politicians seem keen to avoid damaging the personal interests of bankers, their shareholders and their bondholders, even if it means putting economies into deep freezes for decades.

Meanwhile, those same politicians and their central bankers want to dig their way out of the crisis by allowing inflation to run ahead of interest rates. This ultimately damages the real value of savings by individuals and allows the bankers, their shareholders and bond holders to tip toe their way to full repayment without a shock.

It will just take forever and create a lost generation or two. Just look at Japan.

When do voters and savers stop their elected representatives from putting the interests of bankers and shareholders ahead of the interests of the wider economy?

Here's Graeber:

The remarkable thing was that they were able to maintain these credit systems despite the lack of any reliable state authorities willing or able to enforce contracts. How did they do it? Two ways: but both involved insisting that there were values that were more important than mere money.

The first was the cult of personal honor. In most parts of the world, in the Middle Ages (Europe was only a partial exception), merchants had to develop reputations for scrupulous integrity—not just always paying their debts, but forgiving others’ debts if they were in difficulties, and being generally pillars of their communities. Merchants could be trusted with money because they convinced others that they didn’t think money was the most important thing. As a result, “credit,” “honor,” and “decency” became the same thing—an identification which passed into ordinary life as well.

As a result in England, where probably 95% of all transactions in a Medieval village were on credit, and decent people tended to avoid the courts, people still speak of “village worthies,” or “men of no account.” The apogee of this system though was the world of Medieval Islam, where checks were already in wide use by 1000 AD, and letters of credit could travel from Mali to Malaysia, all without any state enforcement whatsoever. In Melaka, the great Indian Ocean entrepôt, merchants from as far a way as Ethiopia or Korea notoriously avoided written contracts, preferring to seal deals “with a handshake and a glance at heaven.” If there were problems, they were referred to sharia courts with no power to have miscreants arrested or imprisoned, but with the power to destroy a merchant’s reputation, and therefore, credit-worthiness, if he were to refuse to abide by their rulings.

This latter brings us to the second factor: the existence of some sort of overarching institutions, larger than states, usually religious in nature, that ensured that credit systems didn’t fly completely out of hand. For much of human history, the great social evil—the thing that everyone feared would lead to the utter breakdown of society—was the debt crisis. The masses of the poor would become indebted to the rich, they would lose their flocks and fields, begin selling family members into peonage and slavery, leading either to mass flight, uprisings, or a society so polarized that the majority were effectively (sometimes literally) reduced to slaves. In periods where economic transactions were conducted largely through cash, there are many parts of the world where this actually began happen.

Periods dominated by credit money, where everyone recognized that money was just a promise, a social arrangement, almost invariably involve some kind of mechanism to protect debtors. Mesopotamian kings used to rely on their cosmic ability to recreate society to declare clean slates, erase all debts, and simply start over. In ancient Judea this was institutionalized in the seventh-year Jubilee. In the Middle Ages, Christian and Islamic bans on usury and debt peonage, far from being impediments to trade, were actually what made most trade possible, since they ensured ordinary people were not entirely impoverished, and had the means to purchase the merchants’ wares, and because those religious systems became the foundation for networks of honor and trust.

This provides a hint of why we have been experiencing such a succession of debt crises. In this new phase of credit money that we’ve entered since 1971, we did exactly the opposite. Instead of setting up great overarching institutions designed to protect debtors, we created institutions like the S&P or IMF, essentially, designed instead to protect creditors. It has become increasingly apparent that the system simply doesn’t work. As the U.S. government seems intent on squandering its honor and reputation for the sake of sectarian advantage, and as millions of Americans feel themselves slipping into a state that feels disturbingly like debt peonage, we might do well to look to the past for inspiration.

2. The global problem of youth unemployment - This February 2 article from Peter Coy at Businessweek on the increasing legions of unemployed youth was prescient to say the least.

Here's Coy:

In Tunisia, the young people who helped bring down a dictator are called hittistes—French-Arabic slang for those who lean against the wall. Their counterparts in Egypt, who on Feb. 1 forced President Hosni Mubarak to say he won't seek reelection, are the shabab atileen, unemployed youths. The hittistes and shabab have brothers and sisters across the globe. In Britain, they are NEETs—"not in education, employment, or training." In Japan, they are freeters: an amalgam of the English word freelance and the German word Arbeiter, or worker. Spaniards call them mileuristas, meaning they earn no more than 1,000 euros a month. In the U.S., they're "boomerang" kids who move back home after college because they can't find work. Even fast-growing China, where labor shortages are more common than surpluses, has its "ant tribe"—recent college graduates who crowd together in cheap flats on the fringes of big cities because they can't find well-paying work.

In each of these nations, an economy that can't generate enough jobs to absorb its young people has created a lost generation of the disaffected, unemployed, or underemployed—including growing numbers of recent college graduates for whom the post-crash economy has little to offer. Tunisia's Jasmine Revolution was not the first time these alienated men and women have made themselves heard. Last year, British students outraged by proposed tuition increases—at a moment when a college education is no guarantee of prosperity—attacked the Conservative Party's headquarters in London and pummeled a limousine carrying Prince Charles and his wife, Camilla Bowles. Scuffles with police have repeatedly broken out at student demonstrations across Continental Europe. And last March in Oakland, Calif., students protesting tuition hikes walked onto Interstate 880, shutting it down for an hour in both directions.

3. Margin call - Gold prices dipped from their highs this morning after the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange) raised margin requirements for gold.

Here's the detail via MarketWatch:

The speculative margin requirement for a new position in Comex 100 gold futures will rise to $7,425 from $6,075, or to $5,500 from $4,500 for existing "current maintenance" margins.

4. Curfew in Philadelphia - The BBC reports the authorities in America are beginning to prepare for the sort of social unrest we've seen in London in recent days.

Authorities in the US city of Philadelphia have ordered a curfew for minors in an effort to halt a series of violent flash mobs.

Mayor Michael Nutter said that the curfew would apply at 22:00 for anyone under 13 years of age and at midnight for those under 18. Flash mobs, organised through social networking websites, have left several city residents injured in recent weeks. Mr Nutter said the curfew would go into effect on Friday evening.

5. Budget austerity and riots go hand in hand - Economists Jacopo Ponticelli and Hans Joachim Voth write at VoxEu that the evidence shows budget austerity and social unrest have gone hand in hand since 1919...

From the end of Germany’s first democracy in the 1930s to the anti-government demonstrations in Europe after 2009, austerity has tended to go hand-in-hand with politically-motivated violence and social instability. Economists have long argued that unrest and attempts at revolution are more likely when incomes are temporarily depressed – the opportunity cost of trying to change the existing order is low.

One key determinant of the level of unrest should then be the scale of government expenditure cuts. We assemble cross-country evidence for the period 1919 to the present, and examine the extent to which societies become unstable after budget cuts. The results show a clear positive correlation between fiscal retrenchment and instability.

6. Now that's a protest -  The Daily Mail reports A banker in New York paid for a plane to fly a banner saying: 'Thanks for the downgrade: you should all be fired" past the offices of Standard and Poor's in New York.

7.  Britain cuts growth outlook - In all the kerfuffle about markets this morning I missed this. The Bank of England cut its growth outlook.

Here's The Independent:

The Bank of England bowed to the inevitable yesterday and downgraded its 2011 growth forecast for the British economy to 1.5 per cent.

As recently as May, the Bank had projected growth of 1.8 per cent. This is the fifth downgrade of its estimates for growth in 2011 since the Coalition Government was formed last June.

Sir Mervyn King, the Governor of the Bank of England, also warned that "headwinds to world and domestic growth... are becoming stronger by the day". The forecast for 2012 was downgraded from around 2.5 per cent to closer to 2 per cent.

8. This doesn't look good for the RBA - Fairfax's BusinessDay reports the leadership of the Reserve Bank of Australia knew all about bribery allegations against its (and our) money printer Note Printing Australia (NPA), but didn't tell Police. 

After being alerted about the bribery concerns by the NPA board, the Reserve Bank leadership decided to handle the matter internally rather than call in the Australian Federal Police. The police were not alerted until May 2009 after Fairfax Media, through the Herald and The Age in Melbourne, first exposed corruption concerns at NPA's sister company, Securency.

In response to the 2007 internal corruption warnings, the bank's chief auditor, Paul Apps, was asked to investigate.

The bank confirmed yesterday Mr Apps had found serious problems with NPA's use of agents and recommended a separate investigation to determine whether Australian laws had been broken. NPA sacked all its agents in response to the bribery concerns. 

9. 'If Italy goes, God help us all' - Jesse Eisinger at ProPublica writes that US Federal Reserve stress tests done in early 2010 found American banks could cope with just about any European debt crisis.

Just about any.

Except.

One.

The conclusion from the stress tests that resulted was heartening to supervisors at the regulator, according to a person who was directly involved in the exercise: American banks didn't have too much exposure to Portugal and Spain, so the contagion would not be a problem.

Unless it hit Italy.

"At the time, the results made us a bit relieved; our focus was on Ireland and Greece," said this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the Fed has a policy of not discussing supervisory actions. "But if Italy goes, God help us all."

American banks had not only a small exposure to Italian government bonds, but a larger one to Italian banks and companies. If the European debt crisis spread to Italy, it could cause another global financial catastrophe. Only this time, global regulators might have fewer weapons to combat it.

10. Totally a Not The Nine O'Clock News video - 'Cut off their Goolies'.

I'm old enough to be a fan of this programme.

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" The Way the Rich have Been Running the World " ....

... the  rich guy in that cartoon ought to be yelling " Buy ! " into his phone , ... not " Sell " .

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Bernard

 Just for the record, did you have anyone in mind when you posted item number 10? 

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Bill

Topical after the riots. But mainly because I needed a laugh and I wanted to put the word 'goolies' on the site.

;)

cheers

Bernard

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FYI also this afternoon, weak Aussie jobs figures moved currencies etc

AUSTRALIA'S unemployment rate rose unexpectedly in July to its highest level since November 2010, and may rise further in coming months, economists say.

The unemployment rate rose to 5.1 per cent, from 4.9 per cent in June, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/unemployment-rate-lifts-to-51-per-cent-in-july-22000-full-time-jobs-lost/story-e6frfkur-1226113004867#ixzz1UhH75APV

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Interesting -   will we have soon a lively refugee exchange between Aussies and Kiwis ?

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Could the Chinese be about to let the yuan/renminbi float. This would help everyone a lot.

The third paragraph below about diversifying foreign exchange reserves is interesting. I bet China would love to buy plenty of NZ$ assets.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-11/china-s-yuan-strengthens-beyond-6-40-per-dollar-for-first-time-since-1993.html

The yuan strengthened beyond 6.4 per dollar for the first time in 17 years, supported by the Federal Reserve’s pledge to keep interest rates at a record low and signs China will use currency gains to help rein in inflation.

China may adjust its foreign-exchange policy to place less emphasis on the yuan’s value versus the dollar, the Economic Information Daily reported today, citing Pan Zhengyan, a researcher with the ShanghaiAcademy of Social Sciences.

Policy makers should urgently assess the risks from being the main investor in U.S. debt and accelerate diversification of the nation’s foreign-exchange reserves, the Financial News reported today, citing Xia Bin, a central bank adviser.

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On Monday the China Central Bank came out and waved the finger at USA warning them their days of living beyond their means is over. Interpreted literally that means China's trade surplus with the US of $200 billion pa will no longer be left in the US for Barry, Timmy and Benny Shalom to play with. Which means it will be looking for a different home, and it won't be Euroland. How much do you want? Give you as much as you want.

And here they are: the mules, bagmen, money couriers and money launderers.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/china-now-biggest-source-of-migrants-20091207-kffd.html
http://www.smh.com.au/business/chinese-migrants-top-britons-for-first-time-20110810-1imgi.html 

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Royal Brunei are offering London return for

 

London $1493 in ECONOMY Class

 

wow, time to nick over and get some post riot bargins.

 
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Jeez I hope NASA hurry up and find another planet to plunder..even better if it has

life forms that crave wool lamb beef and pay in oil.

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 "Schools that refuse to comply with national standards requirements could face funding cuts, Education Minister Anne Tolley…' herald

Remind me...wasn't it arrogance that cost National govt last time round...and let Queen Helen in.!

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Another Epic Steve Keen post on the credit bubble and what is happening now.

while private debt, even after falling by 40% of GDP since 2009, is still 90 per cent of GDP above the level that precipitated the Great Depression—leaving plenty of energy in the debt-deleveraging process to take asset prices further down. The CPI-deflated share index doesn’t have to return to the level of 1890-1950. But a fall of at least another 50 per cent is needed simply to bring the ratio back to its 1960s level. Welcome to the Bear Market and the Second Great Contraction.

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2011/08/09/the-return-of-the-bear/

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Steve Keen does EPIC in a big way .. dont know why you give him so much space .. he's a chartist and a member of the congregation of the church of the squiggly line and .... read on

http://www.news.com.au/business/economist-steve-keen-loses-housing-bet-against-rory-robertson/story-e6frfmbi-1225793985120

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Thats an old post and he explained it with the OZ Govn doing another first time lenders bribe.

Ancient news, try to keep up old chap.

regards

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Of course its ancient news. Gave up reading his stuff a long time ago. BUT the point was and still is his articles are almost unreadable and his prognostications are hopeless. That article was to remind you of his fallibility.

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Not sure that the S&P500 is a valid back to the 1800's or even the early 1900s.

I understand that they had an unhealthy proclivity to "pick the winners" with the benefit of hindsight back then - I am basing this on my recollection of some of Ben Graham's writings.

I understand that in the period 1930-1950 stocks were widely considered to be too risky to buy under any circumstances, making them under valued and a sound investment.

It may be too much to hope that the S&P falls this far again - but the value investors will be quietly waiting in the wings if you are correct :)

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PIMCO's Bill Gross tells it as it is here at the Washington Post. This is a compelling analysis:

While our debt crisis is real and promises to grow to Frankenstein proportions in future years, debt is not the disease — it is a symptom. Lack of aggregate demand or, to put it simply, insufficient consumption and investment is the disease.

Debt has been simply an abused sovereign and private market antidote to sustain it. We and our global market competitors are and have been experiencing a lack of aggregate demand for several decades. It is now only visibly coming to a head, as the magic elixir of leverage is drained and exhausted. This potentially fatal disease of capitalism is a result of several long-term secular phenomena:

(1) Aging demographics, where boomers everywhere spend less, in contrast to their youth, as they approach retirement; babies, houses and second cars shift to the scrapbook of memories as opposed to future spending power.

(2) Globalization, where 2 billion new competitive workers from Asia and elsewhere take jobs and paychecks from complacent and ill-trained 40-somethings in developed markets.

(3) Technological innovation, where machines and robots displace human labor, resulting in corporate profits but declining wages. The debt crisis as it crests ultimately gives way to these growth-inhibiting, spending-contractionary secular forces. Having run up our credit card to keep on spending, we have reached market-enforced limits that force deleveraging. It is not the debt, however, but the lack of global aggregate demand that is at the heart of the crisis. As the entire world strives to put its own people to work before other nations do, policymakers constructively lower interest rates and delay sovereign, corporate and household defaults to provide breathing room.

Fiscally, however, an anti-Keynesian, budget-balancing immediacy imparts a constrictive noose around whatever demand remains alive and kicking. Washington hassles over debt ceilings instead of job creation in the mistaken belief that a balanced budget will produce a balanced economy. It will not.  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-debt-is-not-its-biggest-problem/2011/08/10/gIQAgYvE7I_story.html?wprss=rss_opinions

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I'm surprised you agree with this Bernard, given your thesis has been "there is simply too much debt" ... Gross is saying there is simply not enough demand.

Here is Bill laying it out on Bloomberg as well (a few days ago):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdFSb8qNaoI

(most relevant part begins about 10min in)

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He's still commenting on growth, we dont have enough "real" growth...which in a way is coorect, the problem is that growth cant be fed.

regards

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Bill Gross has got it horribly wrong. The theory that recessions result from a drop in 'aggregate demand' is a fundamental part of the Keynesian view of the economy, but a deeper analysis reveals that the entire concept is flawed.

This is because 'demand' is virtually unlimited. People don't just get to a point and suddenly stop wanting more stuff. The insight of 'Say's Law' (horribly misunderstood by Keynes) is that aggregate demand equals aggregate supply.

What this shows is that 'demand' encompasses not just the desire for something but also the means of paying for it. I might have 'demand' for an audi but I can only afford to buy a bicycle, for instance.

Say's Law also shows that, fundamentally, one person's "demand" is another person's "supply". Therefore, for "aggregate demand" to drop, "aggregate supply" would also have to drop.

Austrian economics has an explanation for why this might happen. The economy doesn't just spontaneously shrink because people aren't consuming or investing 'enough' (who decides what 'enough' is, anyway?).

According to the Austrians, recessions are actually symptoms of large amounts of resources being 'misallocated' (essentially wasted) on projects that aren't profitable. This is caused by a distortion of the 'capital structure' of the economy.

The capital structure describes what capital is used to produce, and, crucially, what stage of production it is used for. The Austrians say the artificial lowering of interest rates by central banks causes capital to shift towards the earlier stages of production (mining, construction etc), which are more sensitive to interest rate changes.

This sends false 'price signals' to entrepreneurs, because the low interest rates should indicate profitability (because interest rates signal a large savings pool). When the projects are completed they discover the demand wasn't actually there. Take a look at the empty subdivisions in Ireland and the USA for examples of this.

This explanation seems altogether more plausible than that put forward by Mr Gross, who seems to blame old people and robots, which actually raise wages by increasing the amount of stuff that is produced, allowing us to purchase things at lower prices. 

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Kleefer - awesome post. I had not heard of Says' law before but it makes really good common sense. People will always want more things, but it's a question of whether they can afford it - so demand does not drop in terms of people wanting things, but the ability for them to pay for it does. To pay for stuff people need jobs, access to credit (for things like houses) and confidence that they will keep their jobs and be able to service interest payments (if any).

In the USA a lot of mortgages are underwater, so I think the confidence and abilty to get credit has dried up for many people. Plus a high jobless rate. In NZ, banks seem to be lending again, I think what is lacking is affordability, prices seem too high and confidence is low.

 

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If aggregate demand equals aggregate supply, then a drop in aggregate demand means a drop in aggregate supply -- is that what you are trying to say?

Doesn't a drop in aggregate demand equalling a drop in aggregate supply also mean a state where the supply side has lots of unused capacity? Which cannot be used until demand increases? Which is Keynes argument.

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Re 1 above, I was reminded of something in the Magna Carta on the subject:

* (10) If anyone who has borrowed a sum of money from Jews dies before the debt has been repaid, his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as he remains under age, irrespective of whom he holds his lands. If such a debt falls into the hands of the Crown, it will take nothing except the principal sum specified in the bond.

* (11) If a man dies owing money to Jews, his wife may have her dower and pay nothing towards the debt from it. If he leaves children that are under age, their needs may also be provided for on a scale appropriate to the size of his holding of lands. The debt is to be paid out of the residue, reserving the service due to his feudal lords. Debts owed to persons other than Jews are to be dealt with similarly.

(20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a villein the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputable men of the neighbourhood.

http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/translation/mc_trans.html

 

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Jeremy Grantham:  Danger: Children at Play

"My worst fears about the potential loss of confidence in our leaders, institutions, 'and capitalism itself' are being realized.   We have been digging this hole for a long time.   We really must be serious in our attempts to resuscitate the  “average hour worked” and the fortunes of the average worker.     Walking across the Boston Common this morning, I came to realize that the unpalatable (to me) option of some debt forgiveness on mortgages looks increasingly to be necessary as well as the tax changes I discuss here."
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Debt Forgiveness. A true story.
In 2008 as the GFC unfolded, mortgages went under water, home owners went into negative equity, home foreclosures were underway, TARP was being implemented, the merchant banks were being bailed out including Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, I looked on in amazement. The TARP program and the FED were taking toxic assets off the banks at 100 cents in the dollar. The world was in a turmoil. In a moment of stupidity I actually sat down and wrote to Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Reps (I did, her email address is available on the House of Reps web site) and suggested to her the "simplest solution" was for the TARP program and the FED to "offer" to buy the mortgages off the merchant banks at 50 cents in the dollar, let the banks eat the rest, rebate the 50% saving back to the mortgage holder and keep them in their homes. Thus, a home owner with a house purchased for $500,000 with a mortgage of $500,000, the house now worth $300,000, would be forgiven 50% or $250,000 of the mortgage, leaving a balance owing of $250,000. Needless to say I never got the courtesy of a reply. The banks never took a haircut, got 100 cents in the dollar and went on to bigger and better things.

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Re No2 Business week article

Great story, great line...

In many countries the young are being crushed by a gerontocracy of older workers who appear determined to cling to the better jobs as long as possible and then, when they do retire, demand impossibly rich private and public pensions that the younger generation will be forced to shoulder.

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And John Key is conspicuous by his absence.

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 "In a commentary published by the China News Agency on the evening of August 7th, the technocrats in the Politburo dropped the equivalent of a nuclear bombshell that ignited a worldwide meltdown in global stock markets and sent gold soaring above $1,700 /oz.  “China, the largest creditor of the world’s sole superpower, has every right to demand the US to address its structural debt problems and insure the safety of China’s dollar assets. If no substantial cuts were made to the US’s gigantic military expenditure and bloated social welfare costs, the latest credit downgrade would prove to be only a prelude to more devastating credit rating cuts, which will further roil the global financial markets all along the way,” it said."

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article29811.html

Something lost in the current shite splattering the market walls...when China starts to sell down its US Treasuries, in order to pay for social unrest at home, a very likely event, then who will be left to refinance the US govt IOUs...nobody. What then for US rates on bonds?

The USA is currently being bailed out of its Greek hole by Beijing....how would this make you feel if you were a Taiwanese resident....Beijing owns the US Pacific naval forces..lock stock and pigtail.

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et tu NZ..........

"This is all old hat, but it is important to remember that most of the current problems for the
U.S. stem from an earlier refusal to deal with the U.S. housing bubble at an early date."

".....the choice was between technical default and looking like a Banana Republic
and technical blackmail and looking like a Banana Republic! Just different bananas perhaps?"

(Jeremy Grantham)

LOL.....

regards

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One for JK....

"Predictably, the developed world ages, the percentage increase in new workers declines, pensions and health benefi ts bloom, and balanced budgets clearly become mathematically impossible without either substantial reneging on commitments or tax increases or both. Any other pretense is beyond wishful thinking or weak math skills. It is either childish or gross and cynical politics: that is to say, even worse politics than usual."

(Jeremy Grantham)

So by all means blame the HC/Cullen years for the uncontrolled housing boom, but make no mistake a change of Govn was not a change....

Can kicking continues after the break....

regards

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Where have all the peak oilers gone....this one is for them!

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14494972

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Wolly you Wolly! what a fabulously confused artice, It is about using microbes as a catalyst to 'burn' hydrogen but the title infers otherwise.

Hydrogen is an energy carrier (like a battery) not a fuel

Neven

 

 

 

 

 

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So......one tank of Gen please.....brmmm brmmm and away we go..... now come on Neven911...you gotta be happy if the scientists find a way to produce the stuff cheap like...don't ya...well dont ya!

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   I started work at 15..and got paid 15 bob a week..because that was what i was worth.My mom took ten bob for board..and i had a quid left. and now I'm being accused of ripping off the young.That dog dont bark!

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Why the bans on shorts will fail..badly!

 http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

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