
Here's my Top 10 links from around the Internet at 7 pm in association with NZ Mint.
I welcome your additions in the comments below or via email to bernard.hickey@interest.co.nz.
I'll pop the extras into the comment stream.See all previous Top 10s here.
Good crop of cartoons today.
1. The rise of nationalism in Europe - George Friedman writes well at Stratfor about the history behind the birth of the euro and the national grievances that are now threatening to tear it apart.
I think it's still way to early to worry about conflict between states in Europe.
But the resentments are building and the nationalist forces that tore Europe apart twice in the last 100 years are beginning to simmer.
There is an enormous well of peace and good will to suppress it and redirect it.
It's quite possible this could all blow over if the Germans just swallow the rat and bail out everyone in Southern Europe.
It could even end peacefully if the Greeks are bankrupted and ejected from the euro without it sparking a horrible financial meltdown. (See numbers 3 and 9 for more on that)
But there are now serious questions about the unity of Europe.
Germany and Greece each have explanations for why the other is responsible for what has happened. For the Germans, it was the irresponsibility of the Greek government in buying political power with money it didn’t have to the point of falsifying economic data to obtain eurozone membership. For the Greeks, the problem is the hijacking of Europe by the Germans. Germany controls the eurozone’s monetary policy and has built a regulatory system that provides unfair privileges, so the Greeks believe, for Germany’s exports, economic structure and financial system. Each nation believes the other is taking advantage of the situation.
Political leaders are seeking accommodation, but their ability to accommodate each other is increasingly limited by public opinion growing more hostile not only to the particulars of the deal but to the principle of accommodation. The most important issue is not that Germany and Greece disagree (although they do, strongly) but that their publics are increasingly viewing each other as nationals of a foreign power who are pursuing their own selfish interests. Both sides say they want “more Europe,” but only if “more Europe” means more of what they want from the other.
Does Greece or Portugal really want to give Germany a blank check to export what it wants with it, or would they prefer managed trade under their control? Play this forward past the euro crisis and the foundations of a unified Europe become questionable.
This is the stuff that banks and politicians need to worry about. The deeper worry is nationalism. European nationalism has always had a deeper engine than simply love of one’s own. It is also rooted in resentment of others. Europe is not necessarily unique in this, but it has experienced some of the greatest catastrophes in history because of it. Historically, the Europeans have hated well. We are very early in the process of accumulating grievances and remembering how to hate, but we have entered the process. How this is played out, how the politicians, financiers and media interpret these grievances, will have great implications for Europe. Out of it may come a broader sense of national betrayal, which was just what the European Union was supposed to prevent.
2. A Dying economy - UPI Editor Martin Walker writes there are structural problems in the global economy, in particular the increasing use of technology instead of people. HT Stan via email.
Whereas automation began by eroding the need for a large blue-collar workforce, we are starting to see the way computerization is eroding the demand for a white-collar workforce, whether in newspapers, paralegal services or accounting. The education industry is likely to follow, as cheap distant learning starts to erode the demand for traditional college education.
The next victim will be healthcare services, hitherto one of the fastest-growing employment areas. The coming of constant and automated diagnosis through smart phones, followed by the eventual success of electronic health records, is going to reduce the need for human staff.
Then will come the reduced need for cashiers and retail staff (6 percent of U.S employment) as we move to electronic payment by phones. Vodaphone is building hardware on the assumption that by 2020 half of all retail transactions will be conducted by smartphones.
The core of the problem is that governments have been trying to tackle this economic crisis by using the tools of the 1930s, as if it were another version of the Great Depression that could be resolved through traditional Keynesian methods. But it is starting to become clear that many of the roots of this crisis stem from the reality that we are already entering a completely different technological era in which the traditional tools of job creation and demand stimulus no longer work in the same old ways.
Where this takes us as an economy dependent on mass employment to pay for consumption, taxes and pensions that still unclear. And what it does to us as a society in which most people measure much of their self-worth by their jobs and their incomes and their ability to take care of their families is more uncertain still. But the essence of this crisis is becoming clear; it is less an event than a transition. We won't be getting back to "normal," not ever.
3. Beware a Greek exit - Buttonwood writes at The Economist about comments from Citigroup's Willem Buiter explaining why any Greek exit from the euro is not a simple or contained thing.
Bank runs within Europe are possible...
Greece's exit would create a powerful and highly visible precedent. As soon as Greece has exited, we expect the markets will focus on the country or countries most likely to exit next from the euro area. Any non-captive/financially sophisticated owner of a deposit account.... will withdraw his deposits from countries deemed at risk - even a small risk - of exit. Any non-captive depositor who fears a non-zero risk of the future introduction of a New Escudo, a New Punt, a New Peseta or a New Lira would withdraw his deposits at the drop of a hat and deposit them in the handful of countries likely to remain in the euro area no matter what - Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria and Finland.
The funding strike and deposit run out of the periphery euro area member states (defined very broadly) would create financial havoc and most likely cause a financial crisis followed by a deep recession in the euro area broad periphery.
4. The Real Median income problem - Ezra Klein's Wonkblog at Washington Post has 5 charts that explain the endless US recession, including this one below that Klein explains here:
How brutal has the recession been to U.S. households? Americans are earning even less than they did 13 years ago. That’s according to new Census data released Tuesday, which found that real median income fell to $49,445 in 2010, the lowest number since 1997, and the largest decline in income in a single year of any recession since at least 1967. Poverty rates also rose to a record level: 15.1 percent of Americans are now in poverty, the highest level since 1993.
5. In search of a New Bretton Woods or Brady bonds - MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan talks with PIMCO's Mohamed El Irian about how to get the world out of this debt mess.
Ironically, for the biggest bond fund manager in the world, El Irian talks a lot about debt forgiveness.
In 1944, America had probably its finest moment, when it convened the Bretton Woods summit to organize the finances of the post-war world. The post-WW I reparations deal looked much like what we are pursuing now, a “blood from the stone” philosophy of stripping as much from German as possible, while America got as much back from England and France as possible. We know where that led, to depression, then global tensions, then a trade war, then a real war. The post-WW II deal was organized around turning Western Europe into a productive society, to pursue the goal of peace. And it worked! The Marshall Plan, Bretton Woods, the IMF, and the World Bank turned Western Europe into a rich trading partner, and the idea of war between Germany and France is now laughable. This was clearly worth debt forgiveness!
We need a new global restructuring of our obligations, a new Bretton Woods or Brady Bonds solution. Greece should not be descending into poverty, it has an educated workforce and wonderful traditions. American homeowners shouldn’t be under siege by creditor predator banks, and millions of us shouldn’t be unemployed as debt-holders forced into a Survivor-like fight with each other over scraps. We cannot allow giant creditors to turn fights over debt into currency wars, and then into real wars.
We need leadership to say that this world will not be a lowest common denominator fight over satisfying old debts that cannot be satisfied, with no environmental, labor, or consumer protections. We need leadership to move us towards a high-trust, global productive society that can solve our collective problems. This is doable. We’ve done it before. We can do it again.
6. 'Don't rely on us' - Ever helpful, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao has warned in this Bloomberg piece that western nations should cut their deficits and create jobs (that's going to be difficult to do at the same time) rather than rely on China to be the last buyer of debt in the planetary Ponzi scheme.
To be fair to our dear leader, Wen did not use the Ponzi word. But he may as well have.
Here's the comments:
“Countries must first put their own houses in order,” Wen said today at the World Economic Forum in the Chinese city of Dalian. “Developed countries must take responsible fiscal and monetary policies. What is most important now is to prevent the further spread of the sovereign debt crisis in Europe.”
“What he is basically saying is China wants to help, they want to invest, but we can’t help you take the proper measures to control the debt crisis, you’ve got to do that on your own,” said William Rhodes, a senior adviser to Citigroup Inc. who was at Wen’s speech.
7. A special price for the French - Bloomberg reports Societe Generale and BNP Paribas are having to pay more to borrow than their European counterparts as the fear spreads about what might follow a Greek default.
Societe Generale SA, BNP Paribas SA and Credit Agricole SA (ACA)are being quoted higher rates than their competitors in the commercial paper market as the crisis in the euro zone spreads beyond Greece,Portugal and Italy.
Investors charged the French companies an average 6.7 basis points more to borrow three-month commercial paper on Sept. 8 than the rate the lenders said they could pay in the London interbank offered rate market, according to two buyers who asked not to be identified because the talks are private. As recently as July, the banks received CP rates that were lower than Libor.
8. And here's why - Moody's downgraded Societe Generale and Credit Agricole banks tonight....
9. Lehman (not) lite - Zerohedge reports market strategist David Zervos saying what he thinks a Greek default might look like.
"The bottom line is that it looks like a Lehman like event is about to be unleashed on Europe WITHOUT an effective TARP like structure fully in place. Now maybe, just maybe, they can do what the US did and build one on the fly - wiping out a few institutions and then using an expanded EFSF/Eurobond structure to prevent systemic collapse. But politically that is increasingly feeling like a long shot. Rather it looks like we will get 17 TARPs - one for each country. That is going to require a US style socialization of each banking system - with many WAMUs, Wachovias, AIGs and IndyMacs along the way.
"The road map for Europe is still 2008 in the US, with the end game a country by country socialization of their commercial banks. The fact is that the Germans are NOT going to pay for pan European structure to recap French and Italian banks - even though it is probably a more cost effective solution for both the German banks and taxpayers....Expect a massive policy response in Europe and a move towards financial market nationlaization that will make the US experience look like a walk in the park. "
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#4, and that doesn't take into account that;
two beeadwinner households are now the norm rather than the exception,
and the shonky govermnent stats that use optimistic CPI figures.
In reality we have gone backwards big time.
You have to be careful using US CPI/inflation charts to say things about the NZ economy. For instance my understanding is the old US CPI basket included Private healthcare costs which dont translate to NZ, (and are growing at something like 7% per year)...the new US ones do not so maybe closer to NZ. Also not sure where we sit with energy as the US is far less efficient.....so an increase in energy might push up their CPI more......not sure....Now looking at the core inflation rate maybe better/Ok, note sure.
Interest.co.nz is compiling its own? as they (and I) are suspicious about the NZ CPI stats being misleading....for instance Ive watched chicken brest climb to $24.95, yet its discounted every week to $15.95.....so whats actually being measured in the basket? the RRP or the discount price?
regards
Food, healthcare and energy are pretty much excluded fron the cpi over there.
I know Stevos you are expecting a serious dose of deflation, I suggest any deflation that occurs will be instintly met with at least the same in monetary supply expantion and some.
We live in interesting times.
I watched a doco about 9-11 last night, towawrd the end there was a bit about cognitive dissonance, people often refuse to believe the obvious and the evidence availible if it means letting go of their world view.
We have peak oil really kicking in in less than 20 years, the retiring baby boomers, the imminent end to our world fiat currencies and the population coming up against the worlds carrying capicity not too far away.
The next ten years wont be like the last.
Interesting times
-bb
And nowhere is cognitive issonance seen more than with regard to Housing. Here in Adelaide people can't comprehend that prices can go down, rather like nz 4years ago. Its really fascinating.
I've bought ry cooder's latest cd. Great opening track called "no banker left behind "
I though that was core? not CPI.....I will have to look at that....pretty sure its core without those....mind you looking at how house prices are collapsing that whould hold CPI back....if its in it.
Deflation, = printing, no I odnt believe so, because the bucket of money they had they have used....and it went into a hole 6 to 8 times bigger and disappeared......and we got this....now its in-arguably worse and they need something like a 2 trillion+ bucket and Congress wont do it even if the Fed wanted to and I dont think they can......and it needs to be congress because the money has to be spent in the real world ie main street economy and not held by bankers.....wont happen IMHO.....the GOP are crazy...they want Obama out no matter the cost, let alone the repugnant thought of their Govn spending thier money for them....so Depression it is.
Peak oil isnt 20 years its here now.....crude oil production peaked in 2006, it might peak in 2012....but its unlikely....have a look at all the data....it isnt 2030....there is a huge wedge of "un-discovered" and "un-realised" oil assumed to take us to 2030....its fantasy.....renewables wont do it.....we consume 17TWs per year...wind might get to 1TW and thats not likely....
The net ten years will indeed be nothing like the last 10 or even I suspect like the last 80....the GD is the last similar event in living memory...and thats whet we face....though I think it will be like the Long Depression...20 or 30 years.....so I call it the Great Austerity....
Population is in overshot at 7billion....we get to watch many millions die in the next 1 to 2 decades while we get to 2 billion. If we are "lucky" NZers dont suffer too much....depends if we get over-run/swamped like a lifeboat that watches the titanic sink....or not.....avoiding taht will be chance....not planning....not with Govn's like ours....
regards
It'll be even riskier if goofy's lot get power steven...then you can expect your taxes will be used to pay for all those who want to come...free house....benefits....bring the extended family...'join your friend the NZ Labour party'...
Bernard: are you happy with this name calling? I know you have restrained some behaviour on this site that you feel is not an acceptable part of rational discourse, & wonder where gratuitous name calling fits with that?
Cheers
Yep, a number of articles on www.macrobusiness.com.au questioning Australian CPI figures and how they've been calculated too.
" Faltering Aussie Economy Diverging as New Zealand Surges " sings the headline from Bloomberg TV ...
... ... are you guys " surging " ?
.." NZ's growth is generally better balanced than in Australia and policy setting is more stimulatory " ... says Jonathon Cunliffe , of Aberdeen Asset Management .
Cunliffe ! ..... I don't like the sound of that .
nuts.....in a word.....
regards
Dead calm here GBH just waiting for the Jaws theme to kick in and the scene is complete.
surging LOL
I must confess , during the live broadcast of the Miss Universe 2011 competition from Sao Paulo , the Gummster did " surge " a tadge ... or so ......
..... ummm , but when it was all over , and I stepped out into the street , into the everyday squalor of rural Philippine life .... the " surge " was absent .
Ahhhh , dreams of Miss Angola .... just close me Gummy lids , and it's back to the " surge ".
.. meebee they're " surging " back home in Christchurch . Beavering away on the re-build . Fixing the infrastructure . Repairing homes . Making the streets safe for driving and for squashing cats on , once again .
I thought china might win gummy...... to me its all a bit antiquated and naff
A few comments: The Kiwi$ also has the words "use before" in small print and a date. The value of the Kiwi$ has fallen 15% plus since the start of this recession in Helen Clark's third term. It will go on falling in value at the same or greater speed.
The noise everywhere is about Greece defaulting blah blah blah but the real issue is .....which bank goes first and who wants to be paid in euros?...imagine having your savings in a French bank...don't you feel secure NOT.
Then we have the BS and spin doing the rounds in NZ....we are safe we are ok we are not in trouble we can get through we can create jobs we are ok....bullshit. Item one: The banks here owe money to banks in europe!...debts that have to be repaid or refinanced and the cost of the credit WILL RISE....get the bloody message! Item two: Europe is one of our biggest markets...bye bye sales....hello unemployed....goodbye govt revenue....hello fiscal hole.
This brown smelly stuff that sticks so well to walls and useless economies, it is the product of fatheadedness. Yet the idiocy of trying to solve the NZ problem of 'gross undebtedness', by pushing the cost of credit down, keeping the ocr rock bottom.....it is utterly insane. Try telling Bollard...he has been told by his god Bernanke to go cheap and stay cheap and all the debts will go away as the economies grow stupendously on the flood of cheap abundant paper.....
Notice...the economies with societies that have thrift and saving as their foundation beliefs about finance..they are the ones surviving this slaughter of the splurging borrowing morons.
Europe's struggle to come good on pledges to rescue Greece from bankruptcy and save its single currency has descended into confusion amid political feuding and parliamentary setbacks across the eurozone.
Angela Merkel's coalition in Germany was embroiled in rows about whether Greece should be allowed to fail; a parliamentary committee in Austria delayed a vote to ratify plans for a strengthened bailout fund; and in Slovakia the eurosceptic parliament speaker demanded that Greece be allowed to go bust, making clear that he would seek to undermine the plan hatched at a eurozone summit in July in Brussels.
Amid the cacophony, José Manuel Barroso, head of the European Commission, voiced exasperation at the failure of EU national leaders to keep their promises and talked up the benefits of eurobonds, a pooling of eurozone government debt. The Polish finance minister said the survival of the EU was at stake.
"Europe is in danger," Jacek Rostowski told the European Parliament in Strasbourg. "If the euro area breaks up, the European Union will not be able to survive."
Poland currently holds the EU presidency and Rostowski faces a tough challenge on Friday when he chairs a meeting of EU finance ministers in Wroclaw which will now be consumed by the crisis.
International pressure on Merkel and other European leaders surged, with the US, China, Russia and others demanding they get a grip. In a display of Washington's alarm, the US Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, is to take part in the EU meetings in Wroclaw.
The American fear is that a Greek collapse would trigger a renewed European banking crisis which would spill over into the US, a reverse of what happened in 2008, when the collapse of Lehman Brothers was exported across the Atlantic. A fresh crisis could plunge America back into recession and damage Barack Obama's re-election hopes.(who gives shite about Barry)
guardian
Love the dutch approach to business...say it the way it is...the dutch banks are giving very pragmatic advice on dealing with the fall out to their clients. They have been working proactively with them even if it doesn't maxamise income for the bank...will I ever see the day such straight talking/collective approach from a kiwi bank to its customers?
most of our banks are Australian, when push comes to shove they will sell us down the road, although some will argue that they sold us out long ago
And this is the GST Labour want to dump on New Zealand....go figure.
THE goods and services tax is expensive to collect, leaks revenue and is tying up the courts.
In what he calls a ''judicial'' review of the tax, Federal Court judge Richard Edmonds has told a conference in Melbourne that after 11 years the GST had ''failed to meet the generally accepted hallmarks of tax reform'' and had in many ways made things worse
Wolly - eh?
Don't let your little political slant get in the way of fact. Check with the bigger fish in your party first. I think you'll find they favour a GST, as it hits the poorer in greater proportion.
I favour it because it taxes something real, which has already been produced/delivered/done. That relates to the real world, which, apart from a narrow diatribe against 'banks', you don't seem to do.
Wake up PDK....GST is not CGT.....the report out of aus is that their GST BS is a total farcical failure...it goes to the rotting heart of Goofy's demand for GST to be taken off fresh fruit....Goofy is the fresh fruit!
I was pointing that difference out to you - perhaps you ought to have made your point more clearly. Didn't realise your point was so small, either. Even contemplating something so inconsequential as taxing or not taxing fruit and veg, is a waste of time. To use it as a point-scorer even more so. Try taking your wee political chip-on-shoulder off - it leads to clearer thinking.
That goes for a lot of others here, of course, and for Phil Goff, come to that. His move reminded me of Bill Rowling and his 'baby bonus' - t'was about as minor. Sure, it might result in a lowered health bill, but in light of what is happening energy-wise globally, it's a drop in the bucket. National scrapped the healthy eating in schools thing, which would have set habits up for life, so your lot are not to be applauded either.
My lot....hah..far as I'm concerned they are all liars and vote buyers.... Goofy is a fruit loop. All power to the oil companies!
Hence why NZ does GST on everything....simple.....and yes I think Goff's idea of GST free fruit is nuts......there is no guarantee on where the released $ goes.....it could be more fruit or it could be fags or the pokies...
regards
I agree. Dicking with GST will only add complexity & cost to retailers, & no doubt create strange new loopholes.
Plus the benefits would go just as much to the rich as the poor, so zero targeting. Far better to leave GST alone & target support to where it is needed.
A total brain fart.
Cheers to all
We tax and spend too much here, but as far as tax goes GST is the fairest tax we have, next to impossable to escape paying, one of the easiest to calculate and non distortionary.
It is a little different over in oz, they have all these exceptions which would be a nightmare to make work. GST is excluded on a bun unless it has icing on it etc..
What Goff is suggesting will make this efficient tax, messy and inefficient.
I don't see how it can be seen as "fair", since it is regressive. The poor have zero opportunity to avoid it. But small business owners, farmers etc can often claim a lot of their GST for transport & many other things.
I don't have a problem with GST as such, but at present it is part of a clearly inequitable tax system.
Cheers
No final consumer avoids it, business or otherwise.
Waaaa???
How can you say that?
Self-employed claim back truckloads of so-called "business expenses".
That is why IRD are cagy about too many people being "contractors" rather than employees - the huge tax slippage.
Cheers
Although there is a chain at the end of it the GST is paid.
It's equal in that you can't live in NZ without paying GST unless you defraud the government.
Was it Lange who said "even drug dealers pay GST"?
Well, some fairly obvious exceptions:
- Cash jobs under the counter, so less GST reported
- Bartering between businesses, resulting in less reported GST
- Claims for items actually consumed for private use, so the GST is paid by the previous business in the chain
Hence a regressive tax. A "cleaner" one than most, but still subject to avoidance
Cheers
New Zealand retailers in many sectors are really strugling as they cannot compete with offshore companies who do not charge GST on goods purchased by New Zealanders.
In most markets Amazon have a policy of not charging any GST/VAT or sales tax on goods sold thus undercutting local retailers. In the UK they pack and despatch the orders locally from a subsiduary who charges another Amazon company based in Luxembourg whos is the company that you actually pay when you place the order and really books the profit on all UK sales. So costs are charged inside a market and profits are booked outside a market.
A New Zealand Plumber could do it. They should set up an offshore entity in a low, no tax area. Customers would then make bookings for plumbing online or through call centre offshore. The customer would pay the offshore entity for a service of matching customer and supplier (this would be most of the bill) and the plumber would be paid by the offshore entity for fulfilment. This all falls apart because there is only one plumber and he lives in New Zealand. So Plumbers, sorry you have to pay tax. But for large offshore multinational, what you want to pay or not pay in tax is your choice, it is optional.
#2 is one of the best appraisals I've seen for a while.
You'd call it a transfer of wealth, but it would be more accurate to call it a transfer of debt.
"it is less an event than a transition. We won't be getting back to "normal," not ever."
Funny as, yes he's correct but not in the way he thinks......oops Peak Oil.....um.....oh......uh....what do we do now? Less specialisation....more manual labour....
I just re-did my carbon footprint, the biggest impact was actually having a bank account....a huge %, kind of hard to fix unless I move to bartering and self-sufficiency and uh cash.........nothing about "do you use google" though....
What it also means is what do the "rich" actually do? some seem useful most seem to be speculators and in effect parasites.....is the energy they consume worth the consumption...
regards
Fly in a plane - see what that does to your so called footprint!
.. don't be offended Ralph , but since the era of the DC-3 ended , they insist you wear shoes , no more footprints .... even Air NZ has upgraded from flax-mats to carpets on their planes ...
But they scan your shoes nowadays , checking for foot-odour & tinea .... so sweet of them , at the security gate .
Air NZ wouldn't let me on a plane one time, they held the whole plane up and were about to unload the luggage to find my boots before the pilot came out and told the air hostesses' to stop being silly and let me on.
I recall checking in a wallaby as luggage once, and taking onboard a rifle as hand luggage on a domestic flight to Hokitika.
Anyone remember when they allowed smoking onboard flights?
Times have changed.
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