Teslas lead a surge in August car sales as supply chains catch up and the shift to new energy vehicles hits its stride, probably far faster than anyone expected

Sounds like there will be no taxes left at the rate National are going

Banks are 'driving' this too with their low interest loan offers, no doubt it will continue as corporates pr teams pump their planet friendly image...

JJ, another reason to vote National then. I will have to visit Rod and Gun to get some new clothes.

Get rid of your fancy "electrified" car and start cycling......

You'll be doing yourself - and your bank balance - a huge favour.

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When you go somewhere that's a failed or bankrupt state, and you still see most people there going about their lives regardless, you realise that the media framing everything as a crisis that'll end all crisis' is bollocks.

I was told there are 1,500 Model Ys coming on 6/9. I love mine. I think Tesla will hit 10,000 registered by the end of the year. Add Polestar, EV6 and BYD to the shipments and the rebate is going to be seriously depleted. I think something like $20m per month going out to middle class buyers. 

Really hoping everyone jumps for an EV as I'm waiting for what could be the last ICE, AWD, 6 speed manual with over 300Hp that will probably ever be made and hard to get.

would you buy them to impress your neighbours?,they wouldnt hear you come and go.pricewise they arent any different to an ICE car except the insurance is rumoured to be double.

In my experience, the people buying these on "credit" have the money in their accounts to buy outright but are borrowing the funds at 1% with the ANZ Good Energy loan and using their own actual money to invest or put on TD at a higher rate 

That's one way to look at it.  Another is they are trading $150/tank of ongoing expenses (a tank a week and that's more than the finance cost of the tesla over 5 years) for a near zero ongoing cost of running an EV.  Tyres and wiper blades are the only parts I expect to pay to change before the Teslas 5th birthday. 

That borrowed money is also depreciating at around 7% each year at the moment, so perhaps not the worst choice

Aye - that's it in a nutshell.

EVs are the right answer to the wrong question.

E-bikes make more sense - not carting a ton of metal to take you to the supermarket, and you and your groceries home.

Which puts the E-Rangers into perspective: they're dinosaurs before they even arrive.

They don't *have* to be replaced every decade. Current warranties are 160,000km or so, or unlimited over seven years. Expected degradation is down to  80% for most cars over this time frame, that's 80% of the original range. Your car doesn't suddenly stop working once it hits 80% - the degradation isn't linear either, it'll be a bunch in year one and two and then it will flatten off in a big way. An 80% degraded car with a 400km range from new is still going to give you plenty of life as a commuter car in seven or eight years time. 

The word you were looking for is recyclable. 

As I understand it is not the grid or supply to the street it is the supply to each house. It seems there is a limit there, engineer friend mentioned this to me.  But I will defer to electrical engineers that may answer or correct me here.

My brother in Wellington doesn't have a car and uses mevo.   Says it's a no brainer economically.

As for hydrogen sorry can see that being the future. To inefficient to produce and store. Unless maybe we have bulk surpluss of renewable electricity to use, storage still and issue though. My guess is it will have very bespoke applications but not cars.

Hydrogen is not the way to go; it's an energy-loss. It's the same as a battery; an energy vector, not a source. The energy used to make it, is better used as primary energy to do the job itself; hydrogen is a red herring.

Do some reading about Entropy, and EROEI. It's useful stuff to know.

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Think if them separately as investments.

EV - Lower running costs, higher up-front costs, potentially shorter lifespan.

Solar - About 10% return for many years if done properly, but the initial investment is never re-couped, so when you factor that in, it's a 4-5% return

Batteries - 2-3% return - really only for those wanting to go off-grid, paying a lot for electricity, or wanting to doomsday prep.

Chances are if you've got the EV at home enough to always charge it off solar during the day, you're probably not doing enough k's to make any overlap in investments pertinent.

For EV's and Solar, you also get to enjoy the smell of your own farts a little more, as you know you're doing some good for the planet :) 

Thanks for the comments.   I too am in welly so mevo looks like a real option especially now they have Polestars. There is some exciting tech on Hydrogen to resolve transport and cracking issues,  I still think it has a future along with cleaner battery tech.

The model 3 sold close to 2,000 prior to the rebate introduction. There’s now close to 6,500 on the road. Add 3,000 Model Y by Christmas and you can see how attractive the $8,625 incentive is. Middle class welfare. Many funded over 5 years with a 25% residual. 

Then there are people who don't succumb to assumptions. Who work out the (already sunk) build energy in a well-maintained 40-year-old-car, work out the build and running maintenance (both are fossil-energy supported; renewable tech cannot built renewable tech; the energy margins are too narrow) demands of both, and decide that it is worth running the oldie until it can't. My 1992 Corolla is approaching 400k, but it isn't burning oil; I've maintained it meticulously.

That 'fumy old dungers' suggests someone who has never been under a bonnet and who believes in a GND?

How did my guess go?

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