NZ facing a net loss of about 1000 NZ citizens a week, and a net gain of about 2000 non-NZ citizens a week

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Population growth from migration slumps to 45,000 a year as NZ citizens leave the country in droves

13th Nov 24, 11:55am by Greg Ninness

New Zealand's population growth from migration fell to a 10 year low for the 12 months to September, excluding the Covid-related travel restriction hit 2021 and 2022 years.

According to Statistics NZ, the 12 months to September saw a net population gain of 44,907, down from 133,271 (-66%) in the 12 months to September last year.

That's the lowest net gain for that period since 2014, apart from the same periods of 2021/22, when there was a net loss of people from migration.

The relatively low net gain of 44,907 in the 12 month to September came from 177,937 people arriving in the country long term, while 133,030 left the country long term.

The 133,030 long term departures is the highest number for the 12 months to September since Statistics NZ began calculating the figures in their current format in 2002. And it's up 35% compared to the 12 months to September last year.

Over the 12 months to September this year 79,688 NZ citizens left long term, while 24,947 arrived back after an extended stay overseas.

That gave a net loss 54,741 NZ citizens over the 12 months to September, or just over 1000 a week.

Conversely, 152,990 citizens of other countries arrived long term over the same period, while 53,342 non-NZ citizens left long term, giving a net gain of 99,648 non-NZ citizens for the 12 months to September.

So in rough terms, there has been a net loss of about 1000 NZ citizens a week and a net gain of about 2000 non-NZ citizens a week over the year to September.

The charts below show the long term, monthly migration trends.

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108 Comments

by Houses Overpriced | 13th Nov 24, 12:06pm 1731452785

Estimated net migration to be 0 by feb 2025

by Zwifter | 13th Nov 24, 1:28pm 1731457714

We can live in hope, we don't need more people in this country, its time to hang out the "No Vacancy" sign.

by Retired-Poppy | 13th Nov 24, 1:48pm 1731458915

Estimated net migration to be 0 by feb 2025

Who's going to snap up all the overpriced inventory from January 25?

by JimboJones | 13th Nov 24, 3:03pm 1731463425

Who's going to pay for your NZ super?

by Retired-Poppy | 13th Nov 24, 3:31pm 1731465069

Oh-sorry, do you think I'm actually retired? For me, that's another six years away. Outside of Super, we have made more than enough provision.

by JimboJones | 13th Nov 24, 3:40pm 1731465644

I actually mean Zwifter (he may be a few years away?), but also you in 6 years time. If we have an ageing population, a fixed NZ super age, and NZ super entitlement fixed to average wage, how can that work?

by Retired-Poppy | 13th Nov 24, 4:04pm 1731467096

Exactly. Lift the retirement age now. Otherwise, we either continue to borrow more heavily at ever higher interest rates (risk reflective) or we tax the living daylights out of the young (or both), simply to cover the aging demographics spiraling cost and keep the countries lights on. I agree, the future doesn't look pretty. Having an economy that's more reliant on housing profits than factory profits won't help pay the bills as they fall due.

by Advisor | 14th Nov 24, 9:09am 1731528550

Underpaid waiters and Uber drivers won't help pay for first-world infrastructure and public services.

You have better chances winning the lottery this Saturday than blindly squeezing tens of thousands of workers into the country each year in the hope that enough of them have the skills and talent to build a prosperous economy.

by DMC45 | 13th Nov 24, 4:18pm 1731467928

And then who will pay for their superannuation...

by ACB | 14th Nov 24, 7:36am 1731522961

So we need more people (our population has increased rapidly over the past 2 decades) to pay for retirement liabilities? If so, doesn't this mean that we need even more people to fund the people we've just brought in when they retire? Sounds like a pyramid scheme....

by Rampart | 13th Nov 24, 3:47pm 1731466045

We do. Our birth rate is plummeting. Our population is rapidly aging. Who’s going to pay for healthcare and infrastructure. We must be selective with who we are bringing in, if they’re not going to be a net positive NZ citizen then there’s no point letting them in.

by mfd | 13th Nov 24, 3:57pm 1731466631

More efficient to tackle the problem at its source with Frank's "Logan's Run" strategy.

by agnostium | 13th Nov 24, 6:53pm 1731477219

💯

Government is rubbish, you can't trust bureaucrats. Just let people kill off the oldies. It''s the most economically productive option, isn't that what the coalition are all about?

by interesting1234 | 13th Nov 24, 4:29pm 1731468593

At the current settings, they'll have to select who they treat in 10-15 years time given the lack of funding and infrastructure. think of the imminent need for greater theatre time for rotator cuff repairs, hip replacements, knee replacements, increased prevalence of cancer with the ageing demographic. the real question is, how will they approach this imminent and looming need, and will we still enjoy the current level of healthcare in 10 years time as we have done in yesteryear. Look at the lack of GP's for starters, that's just the beginning.

by agnostium | 13th Nov 24, 6:55pm 1731477347

will we still enjoy the current level of healthcare in 10 years time as we have done in yesteryear.

No. The cuts to health that the coalition are making today will flow through in future years. It's typical short-sighted corporate management style thinking. Luxon 101

by interesting1234 | 13th Nov 24, 7:53pm 1731480824

Couldn’t disagree more sorry. My wife works in public health and has been in multiple sectors. The current hiring beuracracy requires ALL hiring to be signed off at near-executive level which stifles getting anything through to the point many are working snd getting paid with their contracts having expired but they cant afford them to stop working so the payroll keeps going until HR catches up. Since the pay negotiations came through the trend is for many nurses wanting to drop their FTE as they have the pay now to afford the extra free time with no loss in salary, adding to HR demand and the above scenario. It doesnt matter what they say is being cut, as the resource demand, be it drugs, staff, specialists, is in the rise and will continue to do so as the next decade goes on. Resources cost money

by Let me be Frank | 14th Nov 24, 4:23am 1731511404

"At the current settings, they'll have to select who they treat in 10-15 years time given the lack of funding and infrastructure"

That triage has been in play for years....it will however increase and become even more selective.

by MikeM | 13th Nov 24, 12:07pm 1731452840

Not a good trade, especially when we're swapping out freshly trained nurses for Bunnings staff.

by Frank Sobotka | 13th Nov 24, 12:29pm 1731454142

We are importing a lot of Filipino nurses to wipe boomers bums, whilst at same time cramming them into said boomers decrepit “investment properties”

by pigeonbox | 13th Nov 24, 1:37pm 1731458270

horrible but probably accurate summary

by Nzdan | 13th Nov 24, 2:36pm 1731461785

Might hear more stories of elder abuse in rest homes?

by DMC45 | 13th Nov 24, 4:20pm 1731468038

Why? Filipinos are definitely good at caring for people

by dumbthoughts | 13th Nov 24, 3:13pm 1731464026

Think Elton John wrote a song about that ... 'The Circle of Life'.

by Tui12 | 13th Nov 24, 4:27pm 1731468453

What a crude comment.

Filipino nurses are actually outstanding there’s no harm importing as many as possible.

by Murray Falconer | 13th Nov 24, 8:55pm 1731484552

Filipino nurses are actually outstanding

Agree and the person you replied to made no mention that they weren't.

there’s no harm importing as many as possible

Disagree, there is harm because it stops us making the necessary changes in order to be sustainable and take care of our own. Those changes include pay that reflects the demand for the work to be done (immigrants will work for less, even pay to get the job Immigration adviser on tape offering job for $70k | RNZ News). As someone else rightly points out, then what when they get old? What when there are no nurses left in the Philippines to import? Then there's the problems caused with a growing population on housing affordability and other indirect costs.

by nigelh | 13th Nov 24, 9:13pm 1731485624

What happened to the Indian nurses? Too expensive or not prepared to wipe boomers bums?

by interesting1234 | 14th Nov 24, 8:25am 1731525953

No important to the discussion

by Blackbeard | 13th Nov 24, 9:54pm 1731488070

Some of those Filipino nurses are hot. 'Circle of life' is appropriate, if the old timer can get his gun harden up and shot a few rounds.

by Thinker | 13th Nov 24, 12:08pm 1731452910

March-August - Net Migration of 12,000 so 24,000 annualised. Much more sustainable net-immigration path...

by Chairman Moa | 13th Nov 24, 12:19pm 1731453557

Going to Ikea stores in Brisbane (Logan or Northlake), one would think you are in NZ from the number of people with Ta Moko on their arms or All Blacks shirts!

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 12:25pm 1731453954

Over the 12 months to September this year 79,688 NZ citizens left long term, while 24,947 arrived back after an extended stay overseas.

This doesnt benefit NZ as we only get the unproductive dregs back. The ones that arent used to getting by without Govt benefits and welfare, and others who moan about actually having to work hard in Australia. They come back so they can go on benefits or so they can work less hours.

source? all the whingers on the Kiwis Moving To Aussie FB group who complain about Australia and how much better NZ was. The fact we get them back is not a win for NZ.

by Frank Sobotka | 13th Nov 24, 12:31pm 1731454267

That’s not correct - we also get the 501s!

There’s actually a lot of succesful kiwis who moved back when they have small kids as they want to be around them more (our shorter working hours and flexible arrangements far more permissive), and want to raise them in a way they themselves were raised. Plus being close to grandparents etc

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 12:55pm 1731455719

Who'd want to bring kids back to NZ's sub standard education system? That is one thing that everyone on FB agrees on - the Australian school system is much better, even those that are sending their kids to state schools say that. (In Australia, 41% of kids attend private or independent schools, so going to a public school is only for the povos, yet even with that handicap they still outperform NZ)

by Here.for.the.c… | 13th Nov 24, 1:11pm 1731456665

The main thing I think is wrong with the NZ education system is not requiring homework. Does not matter how good the curriculum is if the kids aren't putting the work in.

by Ocelot | 13th Nov 24, 2:23pm 1731461038

I disagree. If 5 hours a day isn't enough to learn what you need in a school year, then something is going wrong at school. After school should be for socialising, play, sport, and self driven creativity and curiosity. Screw homework.

What I think is actually wrong, is the overfocus on constant assessment, too much "English" not enough Maths, Science, Workshop, Cooking, Philosophy, History, CAD, Economics.

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 2:39pm 1731461999

The kids at the local state primary school spend 3 afternoons a week doing Kapa Haka. There isnt much time left to learn Maths and English.

by Baywatch | 13th Nov 24, 3:20pm 1731464419

Keep up the racist posts KH...

by Rampart | 13th Nov 24, 3:50pm 1731466220

Where’s the racism?

by Baywatch | 13th Nov 24, 4:49pm 1731469753

You need to read all his posts...its a common thread that he hates anyone brown

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 5:16pm 1731471417

I think thats just your imagination. Like most left wingers you think that anyone commenting on anything Maori must be a racist. Some of us are just stating facts. How you interpret that says more about you than me.

by kiwikidsnz | 13th Nov 24, 3:51pm 1731466266

There's nothing racist about questioning the education curriculum value added. Except ad hominem abuse in your own mind.

by Baywatch | 13th Nov 24, 4:50pm 1731469828

Backed up by another one

by Zwifter | 13th Nov 24, 4:41pm 1731469293

Our education system went woke years ago, we are now paying the price.

by the Joneses | 13th Nov 24, 10:56pm 1731491812

National came up with NCEA and National Standards didn't they?

by Here.for.the.c… | 13th Nov 24, 5:18pm 1731471488

That's a reasonable position that I believe has unfortunately led to many students struggling academically as they are ill prepared for the workload in highschool, having never been required to study at home in primary or intermediate.

by redcows1 | 13th Nov 24, 2:04pm 1731459858

Some of the more enlightened recognize that the real educators are the parents so aren't so worried about the schools.

by elmoboy12 | 13th Nov 24, 12:35pm 1731454543

Just wait til the Left gets in again for government and brings in their wealth tax. We will witness those who currently pay the most in income taxes leave in droves, plus many people who have small businesses because it will no longer be worthwhile to have a small business when paying income taxes, GST, plus a costly yearly assessment on the entire value of the business. This has already happened in other countries that brought in wealth taxes, as well as in New York and California. But the Left in NZ does not get it.

by Baywatch | 13th Nov 24, 1:17pm 1731457033

So with that logic we should have people flocking back as the right are doing such an amazing job....right -- back on track?

by OldSkoolEconomics | 13th Nov 24, 1:18pm 1731457094

Nah. We will get CGT like the rest of the oecd. It's lilong overdue and would only benefit our economy.

by nigelh | 13th Nov 24, 9:21pm 1731486061

Don't disagree entirely on that provided its on realised CG for all types of investment.

by JimboJones | 13th Nov 24, 1:24pm 1731457475

You do realise that more people have been leaving since the right were elected?

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 2:41pm 1731462089

Yes, because its going to take years (if never) to fix the mess that Labour created.

by JimboJones | 13th Nov 24, 3:06pm 1731463579

Which mess is that? National have already overturned most of what Labour did, regardless of how good it was.

by Baywatch | 13th Nov 24, 3:21pm 1731464519

Lol..you live in a gated lah lah land KH

by kiwimm | 13th Nov 24, 1:46pm 1731458768

Like all those rich people who have left their countries and moved to NZ because we don't have CGT.

by AN Other | 14th Nov 24, 9:16am 1731528984

New York and California are states, not countries. I expect it is a whole lot easier to move across state lines than to another country.

I'm not saying that people won't leave NZ but comparing Californians moving to Arizona or Nevada with Kiwis moving to Australia is a bit of a stretch.

by Stuart Mason | 13th Nov 24, 12:32pm 1731454321

Clearly NZ is increasingly becoming a short-term destination.

by Blackbeard | 13th Nov 24, 9:50pm 1731487816

Most new arrivals are students.

Most leaving are potential FHB’s.

Result - housing market to continue its noise dive.

On top of this, you have BBs now retiring - downsizing - selling up. Plus for every Auckland house you can put 4 to 6 (Unitary plan).

I smell an over supply of over valued homes....so does someone else - your boss, hence selling up their rentals.

And to rub salt into the wound, NZ will never, ever, be wealthy. Because you have two warring parties against each other. (eg today over harbour bridge). Both have legitimate arguments, both will fight to stop the other from moving ahead, the country and its people will suffer, remain poor and backward.

Just saying.

by IT GUY | 13th Nov 24, 12:40pm 1731454851

I have total faith that the Spruikers on here will step in, buy heaps themselves, and hold the market up.....

They do seem to be timing their run late though.

by OldSkoolEconomics | 13th Nov 24, 1:19pm 1731457163

Yes come on Spruikers.. house prices always double every 10 year. Buy now

by Chairman Moa | 13th Nov 24, 2:39pm 1731461964

According to a spruiker, it can go double or even triple if you buy in some swampy land, near the river, north-west of Auckland.

by OldSkoolEconomics | 13th Nov 24, 3:38pm 1731465508

Thanks for the hot tip

by Mystery | 13th Nov 24, 2:49pm 1731462570

Don't want to sound like a spruiker, but if I understood the numbers correctly then immigration is still positive if we are getting a net result of 1000 people per week arriving for the long term (2000 arriving - 1000 leaving). More people arriving = more pressure on housing, even if a lot of those arrivals might be students (don't students need to live somewhere too?).

by 1689 Baptist | 13th Nov 24, 2:56pm 1731463018

Burn the Spruiker!

by Mystery | 13th Nov 24, 3:12pm 1731463936

'Burn the Spruiker!'

I am not sorry for looking at the numbers and trying to figure out how they might affect the market. The market could go either way, but more people arriving than leaving theoretically points to more demand for housing. You can burn that all you want.

P.S. I also want house prices to come down. But the market forces don't care about what 'I want'.

by OldSkoolEconomics | 13th Nov 24, 3:43pm 1731465781

The problem is that the people leaving are high skilled. The people incoming are not.

They won't be able to afford expensive housing. Will lower the standard of living and we will subsidize tax payments for their infrastructure and public services.

It's a kind of vicious circle that points us in the direction of a 2nd or 3rd world nation. Which will negatively affect house prices. Thus they are no longer rising nor tipped to do so.

by JimboJones | 13th Nov 24, 3:48pm 1731466092

"the people leaving are high skilled" - are you sure about that? Some will be, but many people I know that have gone to Aus did so to work as a labourer in a mine (not unskilled but not high skilled).

by agnostium | 13th Nov 24, 7:13pm 1731478434

How many people do you actually personally know have gone to be a labourer in a mine in Australia?

by WestieAJ | 13th Nov 24, 2:57pm 1731463025

4 person households being replaced by 8 person households. It's a push.

by DMC45 | 13th Nov 24, 4:26pm 1731468384

The overall population is always growing, at different speeds of course depending on immigration etc. But that growth will only put pressure on housing if new housing construction can't keep up. So a low net gain of people won't pressure housing.

by ex socialist | 13th Nov 24, 12:56pm 1731455805

Good point. and if you add in the birth rate is probably less than the death rate - with an aging population - we are probably fairly static population. Which means the 36k per annum building consents, and the 40k code compliances issued means that we have housing for an additional 100,000 people per annum - but a static population.

by Mystery | 13th Nov 24, 2:57pm 1731463058

I think this link might prove the 'static population' rationale wrong https://www.stats.govt.nz/tools/population-clock/

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 12:58pm 1731455921

Not just FHB, 5000 of them were families who would have otherwise had a baby in NZ. Thats the number of babies "gone missing" in the year March 23-March 24 (a 14% reduction in births from the prior year)

by safeashouses | 13th Nov 24, 1:08pm 1731456509

0.75 interest cut seems to be the answer to all the topics today :)

by Averageman | 13th Nov 24, 1:10pm 1731456634

Only posted by you.

by safeashouses | 13th Nov 24, 2:05pm 1731459907

@averageman - no i would say by many home owners / business owners generally every bar you. You know why ?

by IT GUY | 13th Nov 24, 2:15pm 1731460517

Given trump i do not think RBNZ is going to do an emergency 75 bps cut. Unemployment is inside (in fact lower) then projections, they will go 50 bps and see what happens with retail sales over Xmas, they can go 75 in Feb if its really bad.

Not sure what RBNZ thought was neutral before trump, but expect its 50-75bps higher after.

Mike Waltz is going to amp up US forces in the Pacific, bigger and faster Darwin base, likely bigger and faster Aukus.

NZ is not made in USA, BUT they will not go out of there way to hurt us given geopolitical situation.

All being equal if 3.5% OCR was Neutral base then 4.25% is now likely a base camp stopover.

by Chairman Moa | 13th Nov 24, 1:11pm 1731456663

I think it will be up to the DT, the new boss. From now on, it's nothing to do with RBNZ

by OldSkoolEconomics | 13th Nov 24, 1:20pm 1731457247

Yeah. Cut the rate by 1% why not.. Increase the house prices. We all will feel rich and be happy once again.

by interesting1234 | 13th Nov 24, 2:16pm 1731460587

Does it change the youths mind for leaving the country for far greater salaries, career prospects and life opportunities? I'd argue it is a compounding problem, as the more leave NZ for Oz, the more others in NZ hear about the process of moving, and the how to's for getting a life set up so it seems easier and more attractive than before, less barriers to takin the leap. Spoken form experience as I have friends in this boat who weren't intending to leave, but after others moved over they will be off next year across the ditch.

by K.W. | 13th Nov 24, 2:44pm 1731462262

Also now that there are no restrictions on who can get citizenship, many people are taking their parents with them. Three generations are shifting over, so there is nothing for them to come back to.

by interesting1234 | 13th Nov 24, 8:01pm 1731481291

Yep, a mate of mine has had permanent residency here for years, never wanted ti go for cotizenship here thinking meh whats the advantage? Well well, since deciding to move to oz next year has applied for citizenship as why not? 4 years in oz and you get an ozzy passport too! That’s opportunities right there

by Counterfactual | 14th Nov 24, 8:53am 1731527592

4 Years?

It is 5 years for Australians to qualify for NZ citizenship.

Lucky 🍀 Kiwis :)

by The Rogue Pirate | 13th Nov 24, 1:17pm 1731457025

Plenty of low skilled Indians we can import in.

Friends of our managed to bring in 7 family members over to work in their petrol station.

by interesting1234 | 13th Nov 24, 2:17pm 1731460668

Where the workers are from isn't relevant in any way to me, but adding 7 people to NZ for that form of job is ridiculous.

by Adam B NZ | 13th Nov 24, 2:06pm 1731460010

What happened to the 500,000 Kiwi's that were coming back to buy property due to the Covid pandemic? That One Roof narrative has gone out the door really quickly hasn't it...

by IT GUY | 13th Nov 24, 2:17pm 1731460636

What happened to the 10 million voters that just did not vote for Harris (But voted for Biden?)...

Perhaps they where both but a number on a spreadsheet

by streetwise | 13th Nov 24, 2:32pm 1731461564

I hear that 'walking' disadvantaged groups through law school (eg.. AUT) is proving successful: upon a female obtaining her law degree she promptly fell pregnant so she can spend the next 18 years on the solo parents benefit. A nicely structured career path......her benefit will always fall under the income threshold for repaying the student loan. And at any stage during that 18 years she can elect to have have more children thus pushing out the 18 years to a longer period, eg having another child at 35 years old will obtain her a benefit until she's 53 years old.

Unintended consequences of another of Labour's 'nice and kind' policies; that is if the Indian population doesn't gain political power beforehand, for then you would see a right-wing government like you've never seen.

by kiwimummma | 13th Nov 24, 11:39pm 1731494369

You might like to get your facts straight if you are going to benefit bash in public. A single parent is only eligible for sole parent support until their youngest is 3 years old, then they are expected to work 20 hours pw. Before youngest is 3 they are expected to get "work ready". After their youngest turns 14 they are treated the same as any person on a job seekers benefit. Probably not quite the gravy train you think it is; especially when you consider alongside the required work hours they are also parenting alone. The hardest & most important work a person can do is be a parent - multifold a single parent. Add to this if the father was to gain 50/50 care of the child (probable if he went to court and asked for it) he would be equally entitled to the benefit as the mother but only 1 parent could get the benefit - so she may not even get any benefit but still be parenting alone. Pretty sure nothing got any "kinder" at WINZ in the last labour reign. I know of someone who desperately needed help & was legally entitled to it but was declined because they were self employed; this was only the case until the last labour government. Go figure.

by interesting1234 | 14th Nov 24, 8:28am 1731526120

Agreed. If someone has a law degree why would they wish to be on a benefit wen their earning potential far surpasses it by magnitudes ands would provide a much better life for her and her kids. Add in the opportunities for WFH flexibility and there's no real incentive to be on the benefit long term.

by Small Kev | 13th Nov 24, 2:50pm 1731462636

The reality remains the same, we’ll end up with more renters coming in, alongside those who can afford to buy.

For many who leave, returning may mean losing their chance to ever own a home here again.

by 21Trillion | 13th Nov 24, 9:23pm 1731486218

Kev, most are leaving because of the property cost here. They have nil intention to return or if they do, it's with a bag of money from being paid better abroad.

by campbellpower67 | 13th Nov 24, 2:56pm 1731462991

I am off today for a 5 day look-around, then my partner and I leave permanently on the 27th of December.

by JimboJones | 13th Nov 24, 3:42pm 1731465746

Who will power all our camp bells after that?

by Ty Coch | 13th Nov 24, 3:53pm 1731466416

The other 66

by kiwikidsnz | 13th Nov 24, 3:49pm 1731466196

Best wishes for your future. Can I ask where are you going to?

by thinktank | 13th Nov 24, 3:50pm 1731466220

That’s great news for property investors. More people ineligible to buy a house therefore renting and pushing up rents.

by Property_Wizard | 13th Nov 24, 4:26pm 1731468382

All parties in government should be held to account for this treason!

by KiwiinSpain | 13th Nov 24, 4:36pm 1731469006

I'm genuinely gutted for NZ? Our family left due my abhorrent dislike for the 6th Labour Government. What appears to be transpiring is a repopulation of sorts, likely due to a litany of poor decisions and failed Government interventions (among other factors no doubt). Not to blow out own trumpets but we are both in Healthcare (in demand) and business with an eldest daughter primed for a career in medicine. Australia offers our whole family an abundance of opportunities, both economically and socially. Meanwhile the only news out of NZ is racial disharmony and economic failure. I'd be insane to want to go back.

When my daughter tells me that she has a clear pathway to Medical Schools here versus a quota that prioritizes Maori / Pacifica in NZ, I really don't know what to say!!!!

by agnostium | 13th Nov 24, 7:25pm 1731479112

Interesting that you like Spain because it is a left-wing country and is way more aligned to the socialist Labour Party values. You're benefitting from the all the social investment made by previous generation of Spaniards. Shame that you would oppose it in your own country.

by KiwiinSpain | 13th Nov 24, 9:07pm 1731485272

😂. Yesssssssssss.

by ToroNZ | 14th Nov 24, 12:07am 1731496071

Yet here you are.

by 21Trillion | 13th Nov 24, 9:20pm 1731486004

Im mid 20s and flat. I've lived with 13 people collectively over 5 years of flatting, all young professionals. 5 of 13 now live abroad with another leaving NZ in Feb. All kiwi raised.

Me and my partner are off in 2 weeks for good too. So that's 8 total out of 15.

A fair chunk of young kiwis staying are not the ones producing much

by Tui12 | 13th Nov 24, 10:25pm 1731489947

That’s great but you aren’t a special case sunshine. I did the same and almost everyone I knew did as well at 21. But we all retuned in our mid to late 30s when family time arrived. Most of your acquaintances will do exactly the same.

by 21Trillion | 14th Nov 24, 7:36am 1731522995

Why do you think that? NZ isn't the same as it was in your time, you're nothing special cupcake. Keep giving yourself that copium though lol.

Instead of being a condescending prick online, you should talk to young people, many have a strong intention of never returning to live here, it's not the same as your story.

by 26@Main | 14th Nov 24, 9:20am 1731529259

Could you give some of the reasons why you're leaving? Genuinely interested.

by FJP | 14th Nov 24, 6:44am 1731519857

It would be valuable to know of those immigrants, who actually have a path to residency.

I know of a few families that ( unless rules change ) have to return home to South Africa, Brazil etc as they dont have a path to residency.

by Peanut Brownie | 14th Nov 24, 8:10am 1731525006

Since when did we turn into a country of moaners? Whatever happened to national pride and identity? Australia has just as many problems. You can't run away from yourself. Take a look around and realise NZ is still a beautiful country.